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Post by jamieson on Jul 31, 2014 1:41:21 GMT
How can this be ok? I just don't understand. i support Israel, but this is deplorable. link
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Post by jamieson on Jul 31, 2014 2:53:55 GMT
And more. So any, any criticism of Israel means one hates all jews? Such bullshit. link
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jul 31, 2014 2:59:14 GMT
Watch Al Jazeera's interview with Christopher Gunness of the UNRWA. Crushing.
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Post by jamieson on Jul 31, 2014 3:06:45 GMT
I just found that video, mirabelleswalker. Heartbreaking. link But you know that they're just ignorant people who voted Hamas into power who deserve this treatment. Israel can do no wrong, and any hint of disagreement makes me an anti-semite. Shame on both sides, and shame on those who can't see past their own prejudices.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 31, 2014 3:12:49 GMT
I agree with you, OP.
I'm not pro Israel. There is enough wrong on both sides. Neither side is right or good anymore.
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Post by jamieson on Jul 31, 2014 3:25:00 GMT
So of course, Myshelley, that means you are anti-semitic, and hate all Jews, and are probably a nazi for your comments.
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Post by scrappammie on Jul 31, 2014 4:40:31 GMT
We are all saddened.
No one celebrates when innocent civilians are caught in the midst of an armed conflict. However,I know of no way to ensure that casualties will not occur in a military engagement, do you?
Sometimes tragedies like this occur. That you are upset it happened is one thing, to use it as an opportunity to spout divisive vitriol is another.
Maybe... shame on you.
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Post by megop on Jul 31, 2014 4:59:15 GMT
The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said it was investigating the incident at the UN school. Initial inquiries showed that "Hamas militants fired mortar shells from the vicinity of the school, and [Israeli] soldiers responded by firing towards the origins of the fire", a spokeswoman said.
This given what I've read of Hamas tactics. And the below....
No one celebrates when innocent civilians are caught in the midst of an armed conflict. However,I know of no way to ensure that casualties will not occur in a military engagement, do you?
Both sides need to cease fire.
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Post by lynm on Jul 31, 2014 9:20:28 GMT
when you launch an unbridled, indiscriminate attack from warships, fighter jets, tanks, artillery and helicopters on a CIVILIAN AREA - what do you expect to find there - ermmm civilians ? When you attack civilian areas, you kill civilians. It's not Rocket Science. Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth. It's an open air prison. So when Israel fires into these areas it is going to kill and maim people every time. Secondly, according to the Israeli Human Rights group, Beit Selem which tracks both Israel and Palestinian deaths, dozens of children as young as 4 years old were killed with gunshot wounds to the HEAD AND CHEST. Not to mention the videos coming through showing snipers killing rescuers. Bombing ambulances and hospitals also has to be the most cowardly thing a military could do. So I'm afraid Israel saying it doesn't target civilians doesn't hold up the facts.
Something I saw on Facebook the other day sums it up: My empathy for the suffering in Gaza does not make me pro-Hamas, or anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic, it makes me human.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:17:27 GMT
I keep seeing reference to Gaza being "the most densely populated place on earth" and I'm wondering what your reference is for this claim. I found something that says that (as of 2010) the density in the West Bank and Gaza is 648.7 people/square km. www.tradingeconomics.com/west-bank-and-gaza/population-density-people-per-sq-km-wb-data.html I found something else that says that cities, (even cities with less than a km in area are far more populated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population_densityIn regards to the bombing of ambulances and hospitals being the most cowardly thing to do...I disagree. I think Hamas USING ambulances and hospitals, thus jeopardizing all of those innocent people in need of help is the most cowardly thing to do. But we're probably going to disagree because it's only Israel that you find fault with. You want Israel to just stop...but the thing is, Hamas will not stop. Israel is not allowed to defend itself. I too am horrified at civilian casualties. This won't stop until Israel is wiped off the map...Hamas has said so themselves. Hamas LIVES for war. Hamas LIVES to kill. Will be gone for a while...my son has a dermatologist appointment to make sure he doesn't have skin cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:56:01 GMT
If you remove the figures that include the West Bank then the population density alters dramatically. You have to take into consideration that when reading these graphs by " Country" Palestine as defined by the UN includes the Gaza strip AND the West bank.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 13:33:52 GMT
I just found that video, mirabelleswalker. Heartbreaking. link But you know that they're just ignorant people who voted Hamas into power who deserve this treatment. Israel can do no wrong, and any hint of disagreement makes me an anti-semite. Shame on both sides, and shame on those who can't see past their own prejudices. That link doesn't work Jamieson. Here's another one from the Sydney Morning Herald. link There are other links from other newspapers out there too but this one isn't British and not from the BBC and nothing to do with Jon Snow!! It's also interesting to note this quote he made It's absolutely heartbreaking what's going on over there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 14:26:25 GMT
If you remove the figures that include the West Bank then the population density alters dramatically. You have to take into consideration that when reading these graphs by " Country" Palestine as defined by the UN includes the Gaza strip AND the West bank. Ok Dotty...so where are your numbers that include ONLY the Gaza strip without the West Bank. Here's something else that doesn't specifically say the West Bank...only mentions Gaza...and again...many American cities are more densely populated. Much of what I have found when looking for information states that the claim of Gaza being the most densely populated place on earth is simply Arab propaganda. So I will ask again...where is the reference for this claim?
edited to add...it seems I forgot to include my link for "here's something else" Sorry www.israelifrontline.com/2013/02/is-gaza-really-most-densely-populated.html
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 31, 2014 14:52:31 GMT
According to the Washington Post - Gaza City (the largest city in the Gaza strip) is the 40th most densely populated metropolitan area. Its density is comparable to Boston. Washington Post
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:15:24 GMT
I-95 posted this on the "other" thread. I thought it should be here as well.
This is a speech to the IDF troops fighting in Gaza. Given by Major General ( Ret) Avigdor Kahalani. It's long, but it's worth reading.
“We never taught you to hate.” He said, "Not this army, not the Israel Defense Forces. We never taught you to hate. And there are armies in the world who do that. And I don’t know, maybe it works to a degree, maybe by hating the enemy, you are a fiercer fighter. I don’t know. But we never taught you that. And I’ll tell you why. If we teach you to hate, you can’t undo that. You’ll come back from the war and it won’t be the “enemy”, it will be your brother-in-law, or your neighbor or your former friend. Once you teach people to hate, they’ll find someone to hate. So we never taught you that” .
"We never taught you that. You know why you’re here. It’s not to hate anybody. It’s to defend your people, your homes and your families. Each of you has to feel as if the whole fate of the whole people of Israel is on you shoulders. Each of you holds that fate in your hands. But it’s not about hatred. And now you’ve inherited that tradition from my generation, and you’ll be the ones to continue it. But those who inherit have a responsibility. I know you won’t disappoint me.”
To the Palestinian people of Gaza: We don’t hate you. We don’t wish you ill. We want only to live in peace side by side with you. When you come out of wherever you’ve been able to take refuge, ask yourself why Hamas never built you any shelters to protect you. They’re great at digging tunnels after all. They’ve dug them under our border, intending to murder as many of our civilians as possible; our women and children, gathered in agricultural village dining halls. Not soldiers, not warriors, but our women and children and old people. So they’re good at building tunnels. Why didn’t they build any for you to take shelter in? Then look at your neighborhoods, which are destroyed now because they housed the entrance points to those tunnels, not next to your homes but IN your homes! They turned your homes and neighborhoods into rocket launching sites and weapons storage depots. Not by accident, but to make you vulnerable, to insure, in fact, that you would be in harm’s way no matter how many warnings Israel issued before it attacked. Ask why Hamas told you to ignore those warnings and that it was your duty to stay in those neighborhoods which they had turned into military targets. Ask yourself why Hamas didn’t accept the Egyptian Cease fire proposal which would have prevented the ground invasion and all the subsequent death and destruction. It wasn’t a Zionist plot. It was an Egyptian proposal, endorsed by the Arab League and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. AND ISRAEL ACCEPTED IT IMMEDIATELY AND UNCONDITIONALLY!! It was Hamas which rejected it by launching a massive rocket attack, followed up by four separate terrorist tunnel attacks aimed not at our soldiers but at our women and children, who were meant to be murdered, maimed and taken hostage, dragged back through those tunnels into Gaza, so Khaled Mashal could declare a Divine Victory ,from a five star hotel in Qatar while you eat the dust of Gaza. Look at your neighborhoods. How’s Hamas’s Holy War working out for you? Are your lives better? Do your children have a better future? Do they have ANY future but suffering? Hamas and their ilk have been trying to drive us into the sea for over a hundred years now. How’s that working out for you? Look at your lives and look at ours. Despite not knowing one day of peace, our cities are beautiful, our women are gorgeous, our men handsome, our children, the apple of our eyes, our industry flourishes, our start up nation is the envy of the world. Our sense of personal happiness , though we have been constant victims of terrorist attacks and war, is amongst the highest of any people on earth. We live longer, have more college graduates, more computers more scientific papers published, more artists, musicians, scientists and entrepreneurs per capita than almost any place on earth. Our cows produce more milk than any other dairy cattle. Our agriculture exists almost entirely on reclaimed water and no country on earth does more with desalinated water than Israel. Draughts which would destroy another country have no affect on us. And we’ve done all that despite Hamas and their ilk’s stated plans to destroy us. You’ve gone to war against us three times in the last five years. You’ve initiated each one and we’ve begged you before each, not to launch more rockets at us. But each time you were promised a new divine victory. The rockets would be the sword that would defeat us. We invented Iron Dome. The tunnels would be Hamas’s “surprise” that would “open the gates of hell to us” We’re inside those tunnels right now. Blowing them up. And who has paid the bitterest price? You. Is it worth it? Are you getting something out of all this? Here’s an idea. You’ve tried war three times in five years? Try something new. Try peace. You don’t even have to call it peace. . Just stop trying to kill us and prepare to be amazed at how good your lives will become. But what about the siege? The so called “siege” which is nothing more than a sanction regime, was put in place BECAUSE YOU KEEP TRYING TO KILL US! So stop. You’re smart people. You’re industrious people. Stop trying to kill us and you won’t need to be a martyr to get into Paradise. You’ll have Paradise on earth. You can become the Singapore of the Middle East. You have beautiful beaches that can be developed for tourism. You’re on the Mediteranean for goodness sake! You are creative and hard working and talented. Put those talents to use at trying to improve your lives instead of trying to end ours. You will become the gateway between Europe and the Middle East. There are donors lined up and waiting to offer you a Marshal Plan that will make your lives sweet. The plan that Khaled Mashal has for you, however, leads only to death. You don’t even have to love us. You don’t even have to like us. In fact you can continue to hate us, if that gives you some sort of emotional comfort. It won’t bother us. Knock yourselves out. Just stop trying to kill us When Hamas tells you it’s a Holy War tell them to read the Quran. The Sura of The Children of Israel; Sura 17:104, “And we said to the Children of Israel, Dwell securely in the Promised Land, and when the last warning comes, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd” THAT’S US!! How much more mingled can we get? We’ve been gathered together, not just according to our prophecy, but to yours! We come from every corner of the earth, because for two thousand years every Jew on Earth, who celebrates Passover or Yom Kippur, be they black, white, brown or any of the rainbow hues the make up our people, says, “ Next Year in Jerusalem”. So read THAT part of the Quran when they tell you to strap a suicide belt onto your son or daughter.. And for all your supporters and enablers, for those who march to end the death and destruction, if you really care about the Palestinians of Gaza, as you claim to, just tell them to try to stop trying to kill us. Give it a decade. Try it. We’re not going anywhere. You won’t defeat us. You won’t destroy us. You won't cast us into such despair that we leave the land we’ve yearned for, worked for, sweated and bled for for two thousand years. We won’t withdraw from the Middle East. Because we live here. Our religion wasn’t born in Poland. It was born here. Our language wasn’t born in Russia or America or France or Ethiopia or Yemen or Morocco. It was born here. And I promise you, we won’t become war weary. We can’t afford to. Just stop trying to kill us. Because we don’t hate you. We don’t teach our children or our soldiers to hate you. The words of our national anthem sum up the only thing we want; Lihiot am chofshi bi artzeinu, Eretz Zion, Yerushalayim ..” To be a free people. in our land. The land of Zion, Jerusalem.” Just like it says in the Quran.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:25:54 GMT
If you remove the figures that include the West Bank then the population density alters dramatically. You have to take into consideration that when reading these graphs by " Country" Palestine as defined by the UN includes the Gaza strip AND the West bank. Ok Dotty...so where are your numbers that include ONLY the Gaza strip without the West Bank. There's plenty out there on Google. I didn't answer your post to include any figures. I answered your post to point out that that link you referred to included the Gaza strip AND the West Bank. I wasn't disputing that the numbers were wrong on THAT particular link.You questioned the varying reports that you read that "Gaza was the most densely populated on earth" and I pointed out that the link wasn't just covering Gaza.And many of the reports out there doesn't say the Gaza IS the most populated. The reports I've read says it is ONE of the most populated not THE most populated. You might want to cast your eye over this info link. This will confirm numbers for you.Well unless of course you think that the CIA prints Arab propaganda that it. That will give you the numbers including the fact that 43.2% of the population are under the age of 14.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 31, 2014 15:31:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:37:12 GMT
Ok Dotty...so where are your numbers that include ONLY the Gaza strip without the West Bank. There's plenty out there on Google. I didn't answer your post to include any figures. I answered your post to point out that that link you referred to included the Gaza strip AND the West Bank. I wasn't disputing that the numbers were wrong on THAT particular link.You questioned the varying reports that you read that "Gaza was the most densely populated on earth" and I pointed out that the link wasn't just covering Gaza.And many of the reports out there doesn't say the Gaza IS the most populated. The reports I've read says it is ONE of the most populated not THE most populated. You might want to cast your eye over this info link. This will confirm numbers for you.Well unless of course you think that the CIA prints Arab propaganda that it. That will give you the numbers including the fact that 43.2% of the population are under the age of 14. Well then quoted, verbatim, someone on this very thread that stated, very much matter of factly "Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth." So if YOU said ONE OF THE MOST, then I suppose it's not your reference I was looking for. Anyone that has said, and presented as factual, that Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth is who I am hoping can provide some reference to that claim. I did check the World Factbook and read many interesting facts of the region, but I still saw nothing that indicates it's the most densely populated place on earth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 16:49:10 GMT
There's plenty out there on Google. I didn't answer your post to include any figures. I answered your post to point out that that link you referred to included the Gaza strip AND the West Bank. I wasn't disputing that the numbers were wrong on THAT particular link.You questioned the varying reports that you read that "Gaza was the most densely populated on earth" and I pointed out that the link wasn't just covering Gaza.And many of the reports out there doesn't say the Gaza IS the most populated. The reports I've read says it is ONE of the most populated not THE most populated. You might want to cast your eye over this info link. This will confirm numbers for you.Well unless of course you think that the CIA prints Arab propaganda that it. That will give you the numbers including the fact that 43.2% of the population are under the age of 14. Well then quoted, verbatim, someone on this very thread that stated, very much matter of factly "Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth." So if YOU said ONE OF THE MOST, then I suppose it's not your reference I was looking for. Anyone that has said, and presented as factual, that Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth is who I am hoping can provide some reference to that claim. I did check the World Factbook and read many interesting facts of the region, but I still saw nothing that indicates it's the most densely populated place on earth. Well it wasn't me so don't quote me in doing so please. In answer to the part of your post.... bold is mine. It's not rocket science to work out that an area 25 miles by 6 miles and at one point bordering on the 7 mile mark populated by 1.8million people and 43.2% of those are under the age of 14 is heavily populated now is it? Surely you don't want it spelt out to you in black and white before you believe that it is. What difference does it make anyhow? You're only deflecting from the abomination of bombing a UN protected place of refuge......a building that they, the IDF had been informed 17 times as to its use. This is the second time in a week that they've bombed a UN shelter. Where are these civilians supposed to go if they also get killed at a shelter that they've sought sanctuary in after being told to evacuate another area by a leaflet drop. That's why they are there, they have no home,their homes have already been destroyed or about to be.There's approx 182,000 displaced civilians according to UNRWA Do tell me where are they suppose to go? Give a little more thought to that rather than waste time in proving someone wrong as to the density of Gaza.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 31, 2014 16:56:55 GMT
I don't know where they go and it is heartbreaking to think of all the innocent lives that not only are lost, but also injured and the emotional turmoil the survivors face.
Unfortunately, if the Hamas are using these places for cover, what is Israel supposed to do? Wait and see if the Hamas goes somewhere else? Let them develop a strong hold there next to that school?
War isn't pretty. There are casualties on both sides. Think of the bombings of England, France, Germany...Japan in WWII.
Wars cannot be won if one side is having to play by rules the other side is not.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jul 31, 2014 17:19:37 GMT
As a genuine question, what do you want Israel to do when Hamas keeps putting weapons in and shooting rockets immediately adjacent to these locations?
The civilian casualties are abominable (and on a related note, I'd guess they are equally abominable right now in places like Syria and the Ukraine only we're not being bombarded with those photos all day.) I'm following the teenage girl tweeting live from Gaza and in between all of the propaganda that it's easy to see she's being fed, it's also easy to see how desperate and scared and helpless she is. She tweeted that "Hamas is not using me as a human shield" and yet if they are using her neighborhood mosque to hide weapons and fighters and shooting rockets from next door, I'm pretty sure that they are. It's a horrible, horrible situation with no good answer except that Hamas stop attacking Israel, shut down those tunnels and agree to a ceasefire.
On the other hand, people need to stop saying that Israel is losing the PR war. Hamas doesn't need to blast photos of dead children for every single one of us to understand that hundreds of dead children are a humanitarian crisis, regardless of who is ultimately to blame for it. That's not really PR, that's having a conscience.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 31, 2014 17:23:24 GMT
I don't know where they go and it is heartbreaking to think of all the innocent lives that not only are lost, but also injured and the emotional turmoil the survivors face. Unfortunately, if the Hamas are using these places for cover, what is Israel supposed to do? Wait and see if the Hamas goes somewhere else? Let them develop a strong hold there next to that school? War isn't pretty. There are casualties on both sides. Think of the bombings of England, France, Germany...Japan in WWII. Wars cannot be won if one side is having to play by rules the other side is not. That's the big question that no one is willing or able to answer. What IS the IDF supposed to do? There do seem to be 2 very different sets of rules here. If the hue and cry about the Israelis were to be followed by something along the lines of -Hamas needs to stop firing rockets into Israel, and needs to stop using tunnels to try to kill or kidnap Israelis, it would feel a bit more even-handed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 17:24:27 GMT
Well then quoted, verbatim, someone on this very thread that stated, very much matter of factly "Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth." So if YOU said ONE OF THE MOST, then I suppose it's not your reference I was looking for. Anyone that has said, and presented as factual, that Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth is who I am hoping can provide some reference to that claim. I did check the World Factbook and read many interesting facts of the region, but I still saw nothing that indicates it's the most densely populated place on earth. Well it wasn't me so don't quote me in doing so please. In answer to the part of your post.... bold is mine. It's not rocket science to work out that an area 25 miles by 6 miles and at one point bordering on the 7 mile mark populated by 1.8million people and 43.2% of those are under the age of 14 is heavily populated now is it? Surely you don't want it spelt out to you in black and white before you believe that it is. What difference does it make anyhow? You're only deflecting from the abomination of bombing a UN protected place of refuge......a building that they, the IDF had been informed 17 times as to its use. This is the second time in a week that they've bombed a UN shelter. Where are these civilians supposed to go if they also get killed at a shelter that they've sought sanctuary in after being told to evacuate another area by a leaflet drop. That's why they are there, they have no home,their homes have already been destroyed or about to be.There's approx 182,000 displaced civilians according to UNRWA Do tell me where are they suppose to go? Give a little more thought to that rather than waste time in proving someone wrong as to the density of Gaza. Well I would suggest if you don't want to be quoted, don't enter into a dialogue. I quoted you simply because you responded to my question. There are factual numbers out there...I see that you really don't have any to document the claims of it being "THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PLACE ON EARTH" (which you admit you never claimed...a densely populated place...but so is Boston)
And before you lecture further on the abominations of bombing a UN protected place of refuge, perhaps you should ask yourself why Hamas continues to use these protected places of refuge to house bombs, weapons and terrorists. There are PLENTY of documented accounts of UNRWA officials admitting there are weapons, bombs, terrorists in their schools, hospitals...all the protected places. I don't have it bookmarked, but I swear I read that once these protected places are used for war, they're no longer protected under UN guidelines. Does that make it less awful? Absolutely not? But again...you want Israel to allow Hamas to continue to lob rockets into Israel, burrow like rodents under the ground to pop up in Israel and wreck their terrorist carnage there.
The loss of innocent life in Gaza is tragic. But until the Palestinians begin to value either the life of their Israeli neighbors, or their own neighbors, this will not be over and the loss of innocent life will absolutely continue. So take your argument to Hamas. It's quite clear on this thread and others, you lay 100% of responsibility for any of this on Israel and absolutely nothing on Hamas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 17:59:13 GMT
Read the thread. I pointed out quite politely that the link was in fact incorrect in its numbers as it had published the Gaza and the West Bank.
and your reply to that was.
I responded to the info you posted, because it was incorrect if one wanted to know the population of Gaza.I did not respond to whoever you were replying to in the first sentence of that post because it was obviously not me that you were questioning. It's you that has taken this out of context. I wasn't opening a dialogue with you I was simply correcting the info that you were using to confirm your statement of " I'm wondering what your reference is for this claim. " It couldn't be me as I hadn't posted anything to the thread at that point.
So stop the pile on and the suggestion that people have said thing when they haven't. I can't provide a reference to a claim that I haven't made in the first place!
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 31, 2014 18:03:10 GMT
Please forgive me if this makes no sense...I have been mulling over this question since last night and I am still not sure how to word this (also, I'm on an iPad and I gate typing on it. lol)
i have a a history degree, this means, in part, that I have had to study wars. A number of the courses were in arenas that did not include, at least primarily, US involvement.
Currently, there are at least three major areas of armed conflict in the world-all of which could have potential world effecting consequences. All of these conflicts are covered in the news venues.
In my studies, and in my life-long desire to understand global politics, I try to read/understand current events. I think I spend additional effort to understand from more than just my ethnocentric view.
In all that though, there are no "rules" of war. I can not recall a single war that had the type of scrutiny and demands from the media, public, or governments who are demanding that the Israelis change *how* the war is being fought.
As some one else mentioned, there is not the same hue and cry over the deaths in Syria or even in the Ukraine. Or even the past actions of our own country who dropped bombs over two civilian filled cities in Japan.
Why hey is this different? Why is Israel not afforded the exact same latitude to fight its war as it is appropriate for its country? My intent is not to diminish or be dismissive of the very real and very horrible lists of life. Not at all. It is awful.
I just want to understand why today, why this circumstance ... Why do we (the global we) think that we should be able to dictate the way this war is fought?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 18:10:23 GMT
If you're not the one that made the claim, I wouldn't expect you to provide reference. It really is very simple.
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Post by annabella on Jul 31, 2014 18:16:24 GMT
Finally a sensible thread on this topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 18:20:28 GMT
I just want to understand why today, why this circumstance ... Why do we (the global we) think that we should be able to dictate the way this war is fought? Because we want war to be civilized, when in fact it is savage. William Tecumseh Sherman knew of what he spoke when he said that war is hell. Civilians, even innocent children, die. It is tragic and horrible. There is nothing civilized about it. And no matter who wins, the children always lose. Always. Even those who are on the winning side. They will lose fathers, brothers, property, means of supporting themselves. Children will always suffer in war. That said, what is Israel supposed to do? No one has really answered that question.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 18:27:30 GMT
Here's something that will make sense to Annabella.
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