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Post by I-95 on Aug 1, 2014 9:09:34 GMT
It seems the whole world wants more Israelis to DIE to satisfy their need to have a war of equality.
Unbridled,indiscriminate attacks? Go fuck yourself. I'm sick to death of this bullshit. I'm sick to death of having a ceasefire go into effect at 8am this morning and have rockets fired at us by 10am.
You ARE anti-Israeli, the type of language you use in your posts proves that.
Gaza is NOT the most densely populated place on earth. If you think that, you're stupid, as a matter of fact, a lot of your arguments are stupid. Like the children being shot in the head and chest....those were proven to be Israeli bullets, right? No? That's what you're insinuating. You want to fight about this, bring it on. I'm tired of your bullshit. Just don't sit there and tell me you're not anti-Israel, because that's the biggest lie of all.
I'm an Israeli citizen, a non-Jew, as are many Israeli citizens, aren't we 'innocent civilians' too? Why do we deserve to have THOUSANDS of rockets launched at us? Why do we deserve to be killed? Why do we deserve to constantly wonder whether Iron Dome will work?
Why doesn't Hamas move their citizens out into the countryside, hell, why don't they launch their rockets from the countryside? Why are they doing it from densely populated Gaza City? It's because they want people like you to buy into the story that Israelis are targeting civilians. Wake up!
With regard to why the UN isn't controlling borders....The UN forces are stretched thin, all around the world. UN forces are voluntary and as such, they're not all that interested in dying over someone elses fights. They are a peacekeeping force, not a mediating force that's deployed during an active hostilities. In order to have a UN contingent control the borders it must be agreed to by Hamas, the Egyptians and the Israelis...do you see much chance of that happening?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:20:27 GMT
No one has answered the question, what should Israel do?
When they're fired upon from populated areas, should they ignore it?
When weapons are stored in UN facilities and schools, should they simply let them be, knowing they'll be used against Israeli citizens?
When terrorists retreat into neighborhoods, deliberately putting civilians in harm's way, should Israel just hunker down and wait for the next attack?
I think we can all agree Hamas is NEVER going to fight fairly. They're never going to put the welfare of their own people above their hatred of Israel. They've explicitly stated that they love death more than the Israelis love life. Then when their people die in the conflict, they want the world to blame Israel?
Maybe if the world starting marching against Hamas, demanding that they abide by the cease-fire, that they stop firing rockets across the border, that they stop using civilians as shields - maybe this conflict could stop. As long as people blame Israel and demand that they stop, Hamas knows it can do what it wills.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 1, 2014 13:22:28 GMT
I've heard it in the media when referring to protests, on twitter. I'm not one who feels that one side of this is 100% right. I think Israel's hand has been forced here. But I also think they are playing right into Hamas and their plan to make Israel look bad. So how should Israel respond to Hamas? Hamas has spent 90 million dollars building tunnels to send terrorists into Israeli neighborhoods. They fire rockets at Israel daily- indiscriminately so that they can take out as many Israeli civilians as they can. How should Israel respond to this? Let it go? Not return fire because it might be a location where Hamas has planted civilians to become martyrs? Let Hamas make martyrs of Israeli children instead and parade their broken bodies all over the media to garner international sympathy? Israel is in a tough position. They can't just ignore it. They have to take action. Unfortunately, Hamas are scum and using innocent people to hide, knowing that Israel will bomb them. Then the press will report this, trying to make Israel look like the bad guys. And that is exactly what Hamas wants. So what should Israel do? I have no idea. All I know, is that I feel compassion for the victims. And let's not forget the Israeli soldiers who have died. I think you guys are under the impression that I'm on the side of Hamas. I'm not. They are horrible, and I would never side with them. But that doesn't change the fact that I am sad for the loss of innocent lives.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 1, 2014 13:42:44 GMT
And I see an Israeli soldier has been kidnapped. I'm an optimistic person by nature, but I really feel like there's no hope for peace here.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 1, 2014 13:53:41 GMT
I don't understand why people think that because many are against the number of civilian deaths (especially CHILDREN) in Gaza that we feel Israel should quit fighting. I'm sure you'll find one or two outliers who do, but why would the rest of feel like Israel cannot defend themselves?
I also don't understand why people feel we want more Israeli deaths. We're mortified at the number of civilians dead already. Why the hell would we want to see more?
I'm sorry but these statements and others like it are flat out inflammatory and rude and intended to be. You DO understand people can sympathize and empathize with a person (or in this case, a nation)'s plight but not agree with the way they're handling it. Killing children is not making Israel any safer. You can't for one second argue that it is. And 1/3 if all the deaths so far have been kids, many of them in areas that had zero Hamas weapons.
Instead of acknowledging this, we hear Hamas is killing their own and blaming it on Israel. Except this latest blast, the UN kept fragments of the shell and it is NOT a Hamas shell.
Finally, I don't work in the military. And the insinuation that because I don't support the current offensive that I need to come up with a better one falls into the same rude and inflammatory category as before. Why is that MY job? They've got a world class military that SHOULD be able to regroup easily if things aren't going well. Even if some random civilian in another country came up with a solution, how the hell does that help Israel? Do they have some tip email or phone line I'm supposed to call to pass along my advice? Of course not.
They can blow up every Hamas militant in Gaza, and I wouldn't bat an eye. Destroy their tunnels and missiles, too.
But if the only way to get to these things is to blow up innocent children and other civilians? and to do this with no second thought and claim that civilians are sometimes killed in war, it happens?
I don't understand why Israel doesn't understand why people around the world are so upset about this.
And I truly don't understand why people on this board thinks that protecting children, no matter what side of this they're on, automatically makes you anti-Israel.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 1, 2014 15:29:39 GMT
I don't. I'm not sure that others do either.
Do you think for one second that people in Israel are thrilled about the deaths of children in the Gaza? Of course not. We are all just as sick about that as you are. But when those children are put in harm's way, you should not blame Israel, you should blame the people who put them there. Israel cannot force Hamas to get their children to a safe area. Israel cannot force Egypt or any other Arab Nation to take the children of Gaza until this conflict is over. Why have those other Nations been so silent? Do you not think if Hamas asked for a ceasefire while they removed the children of Gaza to an area of safety, even within the Gaza strip, that Israel would not stand down while they did it? Of course they would, Israel would send in buses to help with the transfer, but nobody is asking....why is that?
I do think that people who make statements, such as those made by lynm, where she freely uses words like unbridled indiscriminate attacks, then yes, I consider that, and statements like it, to be anti-Israel.
Israel understands why the world is upset by the deaths in Gaza. Israel doesn't understand why the world behaves as though they were intentional. And the word intentional has been thrown around a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 15:36:44 GMT
If I could like that last post of yours more than once I-95...I would. Hamas doesn't want those children safe. Those children are their shield. There are many people on this very thread that either can not grasp that or refuse to grasp that fact.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 15:51:33 GMT
How does Israel target only the militants? They dress like civilians. They store their weapons in homes, schools, UN facilities. They transport their weapons and gunmen in ambulances. They retreat into neighborhoods after shelling Israel.
Even the most sophisticated drone technology can't guarantee that civilians won't be killed. Our own military's use of drones is proof of that. I read an article dated this past January that said nearly 300 civilians had died in US drone strikes of suspected terrorist cells. There's really no way to prevent that since the terrorists hide out in villages populated by civilians.
I think Israel would love to be able to target only Hamas. Hamas makes that impossible. On purpose.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 1, 2014 15:52:08 GMT
I don't understand why people think that because many are against the number of civilian deaths (especially CHILDREN) in Gaza that we feel Israel should quit fighting. Because quit fighting is the only alternative. Conversely, do you think there are people on this board who are pro civilian deaths? Of course not! Unfortunately, it is a by-product of war. A war that Israel did not start. Killing children is not making Israel any safer. You can't for one second argue that it is. And 1/3 if all the deaths so far have been kids, many of them in areas that had zero Hamas weapons. Not one person here believes that any child should have to die. You know who does? Hamas. Hamas puts their children in mortal danger and then parades their bodies before the world. I can't think of anything more despicable. Of course dead children don't make Israel safer, but destroying the rocket launchers that are beside them must be done. Or would you like to add dead Israeli children to the toll? Because that is what will happen if those weapons are not destroyed. And where do you get the 1/3 number from? Do you know that Hamas releases a list of dead by age and gender but does not identify combatants? They want the world to think that only civilians are being killed. The only way to identify combatants is for people to analyze the list of the dead that is released and make their best guess as to which ones are combatants and leaders. In a country where approximately 50% of the population is under 14, an estimated 18-20% have died. Of course that is too high, but how many of those were killed by Hamas' own rockets and weapons? Yes, Israel has made errors, and that is a terrible thing. But they mourn those deaths, not celebrate them like the Palestinians do. To say they are killed "without second thoughts" is an unbelievable statement. If they didn't care about the civilians, Israel could carpet bomb Gaza, but instead they phone ahead. What other country does that? All that aside, to lay the deaths of these children on Israel is ignoring reality. THERE WOULD BE NO DEAD CHILDREN were it not for Hamas' aggression and tactics. NONE. Think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 15:58:19 GMT
How does Israel target only the militants? They dress like civilians. They store their weapons in homes, schools, UN facilities. They transport their weapons and gunmen in ambulances. They retreat into neighborhoods after shelling Israel. In addition, militants are wearing white hospital coats while they're in the hospital. But the killing of the innocent civilians is Israel's fault. Again...sounds legit.
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Post by scrappinmama on Aug 1, 2014 16:00:08 GMT
If I could like that last post of yours more than once I-95...I would. Hamas doesn't want those children safe. Those children are their shield. There are many people on this very thread that either can not grasp that or refuse to grasp that fact. Certainly not me. I have said more than once that Hamas hides behind innocent people. They are disgusting terrorists. They care only about their own twisted agenda. I really feel for the innocent people caught up in this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 16:00:42 GMT
If they didn't care about the civilians, Israel could carpet bomb Gaza, but instead they phone ahead. What other country does that?
We already discussed on the other thread that Israel totally sucks at Genocide. Warning people that bombs are coming and to get out of the way...seriously? Who does that?
Israel doesn't want death. Hamas can't get enough. It matters ZERO to them how many of their own people, women and children, DIE as long as they're at war with the nation they're trying to wipe off the map.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 1, 2014 16:15:52 GMT
I don't. I'm not sure that others do either. Do you think for one second that people in Israel are thrilled about the deaths of children in the Gaza? Of course not. We are all just as sick about that as you are. But when those children are put in harm's way, you should not blame Israel, you should blame the people who put them there. Israel cannot force Hamas to get their children to a safe area. Israel cannot force Egypt or any other Arab Nation to take the children of Gaza until this conflict is over. Why have those other Nations been so silent? Do you not think if Hamas asked for a ceasefire while they removed the children of Gaza to an area of safety, even within the Gaza strip, that Israel would not stand down while they did it? Of course they would, Israel would send in buses to help with the transfer, but nobody is asking....why is that? I do think that people who make statements, such as those made by lynm, where she freely uses words like unbridled indiscriminate attacks, then yes, I consider that, and statements like it, to be anti-Israel. Israel understands why the world is upset by the deaths in Gaza. Israel doesn't understand why the world behaves as though they were intentional. And the word intentional has been thrown around a lot. Of course *most of us* don't think you're thrilled. We also understand how Hamas is using it's citizens, but you fail to understand that the attitude of Israel that they're going to protect themselves no matter what the cost is not supported by everyone. And Israel has adopted that attitude and there are millions of people around the world who simply cannot get behind that attitude. It doesn't mean we think you support killing kids, and again, it's incredibly rude for you to keep saying that. *Most of us* are not posting inflammatory things, but you keep attacking us in your response. Do you not understand how rude it is for you all to continue to insinuate that we think you guys WANT children dead? Why on earth would I think that? I KNOW who the bad guys are, and I imagine *most of us* do as well. Hamas is evil. But killing people who you keep saying support Hamas--but fail to admit a lot of these people have zero choice in the matter--just isn't okay with me. And a lot of other people. It doesn't make us anti-Israel, and despite your claim that you don't call us that, you are insinuating that we are. Which is exactly why I left the other thread. I'm not anti-Israel. And I'm tired of being painted as anti-Israel just because I don't support what Israel is doing right now. ***** *most of us* refers to the fact that, like I said, you will always have your outliers and radicals (on both sides). they obviously do NOT reflect the view of the majority and I don't appreciate being lumped with them anymore than you would appreciate being lumped with Israeli's who want all Palestinians annihilated (and yes, we both they exist).
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Post by lynm on Aug 1, 2014 16:21:22 GMT
It seems the whole world wants more Israelis to DIE to satisfy their need to have a war of equality. Unbridled,indiscriminate attacks? Go fuck yourself. I'm sick to death of this bullshit. I'm sick to death of having a ceasefire go into effect at 8am this morning and have rockets fired at us by 10am. You ARE anti-Israeli, the type of language you use in your posts proves that. Gaza is NOT the most densely populated place on earth. If you think that, you're stupid, as a matter of fact, a lot of your arguments are stupid. Like the children being shot in the head and chest....those were proven to be Israeli bullets, right? No? That's what you're insinuating. You want to fight about this, bring it on. I'm tired of your bullshit. Just don't sit there and tell me you're not anti-Israel, because that's the biggest lie of all. I'm an Israeli citizen, a non-Jew, as are many Israeli citizens, aren't we 'innocent civilians' too? Why do we deserve to have THOUSANDS of rockets launched at us? Why do we deserve to be killed? Why do we deserve to constantly wonder whether Iron Dome will work? Why doesn't Hamas move their citizens out into the countryside, hell, why don't they launch their rockets from the countryside? Why are they doing it from densely populated Gaza City? It's because they want people like you to buy into the story that Israelis are targeting civilians. Wake up! With regard to why the UN isn't controlling borders....The UN forces are stretched thin, all around the world. UN forces are voluntary and as such, they're not all that interested in dying over someone elses fights. They are a peacekeeping force, not a mediating force that's deployed during an active hostilities. In order to have a UN contingent control the borders it must be agreed to by Hamas, the Egyptians and the Israelis...do you see much chance of that happening? Wow, nice lady...I won't bring myself down to your level by bothering to fling insults ! When are you going to realise that children will stop dying when you BOTH stop firing your weapons - it doesn't really matter at the moment who is at fault, it matters that chilldren are dying in their hundreds and Israel could stop that this very minute, then sort out the problems afterwards. Repeated statements that children are dying because Hamas is using them as human sheilds doesn't wash with me, your bullets, your explosions, blood on your hands as it is also on the hands of Hamas - CHILDREN ARE STILL DYING because Hamas AND Israel are killing them. You are all like bloody kids, he hit me first, whine whine whine !! If Israel want the world to start seeing them as a civilised nation, then do the right thing and stop. right. now. I will repeat my earlier comments, My empathy for the suffering in Gaza does not make me pro-Hamas, or anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic, it makes me human !
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 1, 2014 16:40:23 GMT
Well I would have expected the UN to monitor what was going in if they were a peacekeeping force and in charge of the borders. You know just like any other border control. So what would be your suggestion then? The answer is simple: for the Palestinians to acknowledge that the State of Israel is here to stay and dismantle their culture of hate. If the Palestinians ever get serious about laying down their weapons, they would have half the world on their doorstep with offers to help them build -- led by the Israelis (who already provide billions in medical, food, and other aid per year). They don't have to love them, they don't even have to like them. All they have to do is stop trying to kill them.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 1, 2014 16:58:14 GMT
and I repeat my question...
While there has always been denouement of wars, and condemnation against involving civilians, why is it *this time, this war* that is causing almost 24/7 news coverage with moral indignation and a vastly disparate set of rules of engagement against Israel? Historically speaking, this is not normal.
Just for the record, no one in my real life has an answer either.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 1, 2014 17:04:56 GMT
and I repeat my question... While there has always been denouement of wars, and condemnation against involving civilians, why is it *this time, this war* that is causing almost 24/7 news coverage with moral indignation and a vastly disparate set of rules of engagement against Israel? Historically speaking, this is not normal. Just for the record, no one in my real life has an answer either. You have to take into account that it is 2014 and media (especially social media) is more powerful than it ever has been. Technology, in general, is more powerful than it's ever been, allowing for greater destruction, but also nearly immediate dissemination of that destruction. I don't think there's more coverage in that media are devoting more attention to this conflict than before. It's the sheer instant ability to disseminate this information, particularly in Israel, which is very westernized and has the same type of technology that many Western countries enjoy. This isn't the case in many areas of Ukraine, and nearly all of Syria, which lags behind greatly in terms of technology.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 1, 2014 17:08:21 GMT
Israel could stop that this very minute, then sort out the problems afterwards. You are all like bloody kids, he hit me first, whine whine whine !! If Israel want the world to start seeing them as a civilised nation, then do the right thing and stop. right. now. What an incredibly naive statement to make. Do you know how many unanswered rocket and missile attacks Israel has endured over the years? Do you not realize that the Palestinians almost never stop firing at them? Here is the list just for 2013.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2014 17:08:45 GMT
Wow, nice lady...I won't bring myself down to your level by bothering to fling insults ! When are you going to realise that children will stop dying when you BOTH stop firing your weapons - it doesn't really matter at the moment who is at fault, it matters that chilldren are dying in their hundreds and Israel could stop that this very minute, then sort out the problems afterwards. Repeated statements that children are dying because Hamas is using them as human sheilds doesn't wash with me, your bullets, your explosions, blood on your hands as it is also on the hands of Hamas - CHILDREN ARE STILL DYING because Hamas AND Israel are killing them. You are all like bloody kids, he hit me first, whine whine whine !! If Israel want the world to start seeing them as a civilised nation, then do the right thing and stop. right. now. I will repeat my earlier comments, My empathy for the suffering in Gaza does not make me pro-Hamas, or anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic, it makes me human ! Wow, nice lady...I won't bring myself down to your level by bothering to fling insults !
I-95 is Israeli. You have accused Israel of committing genocide multiple times. I would say you are keeping up just fine in the flinging-insults department. CHILDREN ARE STILL DYING because Hamas AND Israel are killing them.45,000 protested at the Israeli embassy in London last weekend. If you truly believe Hamas is equally at fault, where are the protests against Hamas? My empathy for the suffering in Gaza does not make me pro-Hamas, or anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic, it makes me human ! Referring to Israel's military tactics as genocide certainly does make you both anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 1, 2014 17:25:39 GMT
Lynm said: "! If Israel want the world to start seeing them as a civilised nation, then do the right thing and stop." If Israel took your advice THERE WOULD BE DEAD ISRAELIS EVERYWHERE AND THEIR NATION WOULD NO LONGER EXIST. That is what we keep explaining to you. If Israel stops fighting back, they will be destroyed by terrorists who will not stop until they are all dead and gone. Israel would love to stop but they are forced to defend their country from DAILY attacks. When you tell them to stop you support Hamas' propaganda and therefore support Hamas. Your facts are inaccurate, your demands on Israel are preposterous and suicidal. If you hate the humanitarian crisis for Palestinians you would support Israel who cares more for Palestinian civilians than Hamas does. Hamas loves dead Palestinians- especially children. You can tell by how they purposefully make them targets and then parade their broken innocent bodies around in front of cameras for media attention to vilify Israel. If you're anti death and war then tell Hamas to stop. They can have peace if Hamas will just stop.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2014 17:30:26 GMT
Going back to my question yesterday about protests against Syria and Russia in London: thank you dottyscrapper for the links. The Russian Embassy protest was a few hundred Ukrainians and the Syrian protest appeared to be a few dozen peaceniks. I did some further research on Syria and learned that there have been bigger protests, but those were aimed at keeping the US and UK military out of the fight. There does not appear to be a large, organized effort of British people to protest either Syria's or Russia's recent actions.
Conchita, thank you for confirming what's happening on the streets of Germany. Always interesting.
lynm, thank you, I am happy to hear the big anti-Israel protest did not turn anti-Jewish.
On a whim, I googled "London protest against Hamas" (yesterday I had googled "London protest against Israel"). Yesterday's search produced many results. Today's did, too, but they were all for the same anti-Israel protests ... there was no evidence (not at first glance, anyway) of any anti-Hamas protests.
Yet you say Hamas is equally at fault with Israel, and there were (just a reminder) 45,000 people eager to come out and protest against Israel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 17:38:44 GMT
Israel could stop that this very minute, then sort out the problems afterwards. You are all like bloody kids, he hit me first, whine whine whine !! If Israel want the world to start seeing them as a civilised nation, then do the right thing and stop. right. now. What an incredibly naive statement to make. Do you know how many unanswered rocket and missile attacks Israel has endured over the years? Do you not realize that the Palestinians almost never stop firing at them? Here is the list just for 2013. No kidding. Lynm has no freaking idea. The more she opens her mouth, the more she clearly shows how clueless she is. Talk about whining like a baby..."wah wah...Israel should just STOP" Because we all know what happens when Israel stops. Hamas keeps right on throwing those rockets and missles over the border. Dear Israel, Stop defending yourself. Just keep on keeping on allowing Hamas to do whatever it wishes to you with no impunity. Love, Lynm
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Post by 61redhead on Aug 1, 2014 18:48:17 GMT
Well I would have expected the UN to monitor what was going in if they were a peacekeeping force and in charge of the borders. You know just like any other border control. So what would be your suggestion then? The answer is simple: for the Palestinians to acknowledge that the State of Israel is here to stay and dismantle their culture of hate. If the Palestinians ever get serious about laying down their weapons, they would have half the world on their doorstep with offers to help them build -- led by the Israelis (who already provide billions in medical, food, and other aid per year). They don't have to love them, they don't even have to like them. All they have to do is stop trying to kill them.This. This, and only this, will resolve this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 18:51:15 GMT
Going back to my question yesterday about protests against Syria and Russia in London: thank you dottyscrapper for the links. The Russian Embassy protest was a few hundred Ukrainians and the Syrian protest appeared to be a few dozen peaceniks. I did some further research on Syria and learned that there have been bigger protests, but those were aimed at keeping the US and UK military out of the fight. There does not appear to be a large, organized effort of British people to protest either Syria's or Russia's recent actions. Conchita, thank you for confirming what's happening on the streets of Germany. Always interesting. lynm, thank you, I am happy to hear the big anti-Israel protest did not turn anti-Jewish. On a whim, I googled "London protest against Hamas" (yesterday I had googled "London protest against Israel"). Yesterday's search produced many results. Today's did, too, but they were all for the same anti-Israel protests ... there was no evidence (not at first glance, anyway) of any anti-Hamas protests. Yet you say Hamas is equally at fault with Israel, and there were (just a reminder) 45,000 people eager to come out and protest against Israel. Lucy........ these protests are not by the " British" they're mainly, apart from a few add on's( that attach themselves to any protest that's going) marches by citizens of the particular countries that happen to be living in Britain. So size would differ. I'm guessing but I have no confirmation that there are less Ukraine citizens here than there is Syrian. There's also a fairly high number of Palestinians here. The photos of the Syrian protest was a very quick search I made last night but here's another link that gives you more of a perspective on the number of people that attended link. It was a large protest and it was mainly about no military intervention in Syria because of what the consequence of that would be......a blood bath. And in all honesty there is still a lot of anger here by everyone ( British.... Syrian.... whoever) from our participation in the Iraq war. The Syrian were also displaying their opposition to the Assad regime and calling for a democracy. There were certainly more than a few dozen peaceniks that's for sure. The situation is different than in the case of Palestine as Barbara tried to explain earlier in the thread. The pro Palestinian wasn't a protest about Israel as such It was a protest about the plight of Palestinian civilians. I won't argue that there were placards with Israel's name on them but they were in the context of" Free Gaza". so to name Israel wasn't in that context, abnormal. . It was by all accounts and the footage and images I've seen,a peaceful protest. I can't find any reports of anti semitism or any arrest taking place. I'm not sure to be honest, whether they would have been allowed through the streets of London shouting Hamas,whatever they were saying. The UK officially class them as terrorist,so do we, the people, including all Palestinians I have listened to. I don't think anyone would want to give them a platform or publicity in any shape or form. We wouldn't give a platform or public publicity to Al Qaeda either. Have there been protest by Palestinians in America specifically about Hamas? I've seen reports that you have also had a number of protests across America. Are they about Hamas?
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2014 19:12:24 GMT
Thanks for the further info, dottyscrapper. I'm interested that you say it was mostly Palestinians and possibly other Arabs living in Britain at the protest? So, not a large percentage of British people? Believe me, there is anger and regret here about the Iraq war, too. Many of us never wanted to go in. I just searched for U.S. anti-Hamas protests and found this one link. It's from last weekend and there is mention in a photo caption of both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israeli demonstrations being held across the country. We don't have the same kind of speech laws. There wouldn't be any legal impediment to an anti-Hamas protest here, but I don't know specifically what's being said at these rallies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 19:15:15 GMT
Funny how some of our British Peas don't say "stop the bombing Hamas". After all, they fired the first shot; broke at least two ceasefires and have been specifically targeting Tel Aviv and other civilian areas. The only thing that saves Israeli citizens is their Iron Dome; Hamas is doing their damndest to kill them. The fact that you're not pointing the finger at Hamas shows me, yes, you are Anti-Semetic. Am I surprised? Given Europe's Anti-Semetic history; not in the least. But your so-called humanitarian concerns certainly ring hollo Lauren - I'm sure you're proud of yourself that you have the ability to sink so low in your argument. I didn't deny anything as I have nothing to deny....simple. And maybe, while you are reducing yourself to some lowlife member of the human race. You might also bring yourself to be thankful that people like my Grandfather, who never saw his 9 month old daughter ( my mother) sacrificed their life on the way to free the people from Belsen to give you the freedom to call his grand-daughter anti semitic. Yeh! you must be really proud of yourself. I wonder if he would think it was worth the sacrifice though.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2014 19:19:36 GMT
oh Dotty, I'm so sorry. My grandfather fought in Europe, too. He survived the war but only by a few years. My mom always said the war killed him in the end.
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Post by inkedup on Aug 1, 2014 19:22:08 GMT
It's hilarious that Lauren, who was so vocally racist at Two Peas, is all up in arms over statements that she perceives to be anti-semitic. You can call someone a spic and a border jumper, but don't you dare imply anything that offends Lauren because it makes you an anti-semite.
Lauren, you are ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 19:22:37 GMT
No, ordinary people don't tend to get involved really. They might stop and watch but that's all. You have a small contingent of British people from " stop the War" organization and such like that gets involved in any protest where there's any conflict but ordinary citizens, no. The protests are just inconvenient to everyone.
ETA - Yes, there could very well be other Arab nationals there too. To be honest a lot of them are very westernized so it's difficult to tell by looking at them which Arab country they are from.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 1, 2014 19:37:05 GMT
Seriously, could you tell me where I said you were anti-Israel? Or painted you as anti-Israel? I get that you don't like the children of Gaza dying, we agree on that, so where are you being attacked for saying that? How about your attacks on us? 'Israel is going to protect itself no matter what the cost'? Does that not insinuate that Israel doesn't give a damn about who gets killed? Sure sounds like it to me. Don't you get how rude it is for you to say something like that, to an Israeli? Do you suppose Israelis aren't just a wee bit stressed about being woken up every couple of hours by sirens? Then have to listen to people tell us we 'should just stop the killing, right now' and then have you tell us we're being rude to you for defending ourselves on social media and message boards? My patience is certainly wearing thin, and I'm one of the most patient, easy going people you'll every run across. I rarely lose my temper on these boards, but some of the idiotic statements I've read here are pushing me to the limits.
Go tell the leaders of Hamas how you feel about what they're doing. I can give you the name of the 5 star hotel they're staying at in Qatar.
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