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Post by scrappinghappy on Aug 10, 2014 14:34:40 GMT
The point is....There is lots of open land to use as a firing range. All they need is ONE field. Why do they fire from civilian areas? Please answer THAT question. The point is solely this since you obviously haven't understood what I wrote - this was solely to balance the demand that people look at the satellite image in that the satellite image does not give a proper indication of size and population. There was no political statement in this post at all but you still jumped all over it wanting to prove me wrong. My apologies then, but what does size and relative population have to do with where they fire their rockets from? If they have open space why not utilize it?
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Post by KiwiJo on Aug 10, 2014 15:13:27 GMT
Imagine this scenerio. I am greedy and power-hungry. I've been taught to use hate as a way to control masses of people to do what I want, and as I sit in luxury, I want more. Here is a group of people locked in to a small strip of land along the Mediterranean all ready to use for my advantage! You think I'm going to not use them for my own gain? How can I use them? 1) I can continue to feed their hate for their neighbors. 2) I can make them believe they are dependent on me (and my select group) for their protection. 3) I can get other nations to fund and supply an unending supply of weapons. 4) I can smuggle these weapons in to these people that I am fueling with hate and making more desperate by the day. 5) I can get those poor people to protect those weapons more than they will protect their children! (I am amazing like that!) They don't even care that I'm taking their resources and building these tunnels right under their feet with entrances inside their homes! There is no limit on what I will spend to supply and protect these weapons. These innocents are fish in a barrel. Their videoed deaths are gold to me. 6) I can create elaborate misinformation propaganda campaigns........... etc etc (Dang, I wish posts here were numbered so we can quote by referring to post #x instead of having to quote whole tracts of text) i have hesitated and refrained from joining in, because I have no wish to be thought of as anti-Israel if I questioned anything that Israel does. However, Lefty, I really liked your post - it shows exactly how I feel about the Palestinians - the ordinary, people-in-the-street Palestinians. My heart aches for them. They are being lied to by those leading their 'country' (is 'country' the right word? I don't know). They are being duped in the most awful way. Having voted in those 'leaders' they seemingly have little way out of their situation now. Money that is supposed to help them is being diverted to fund purchase of more arms etc - the very things that will encourage their powerful next-door neighbour to continue to fire into the area where they live, thus continuing to worsen the situation. They are warned by their next-door-neighbour when the firing will target their specific area, but where can they go? Do they even know about all the warnings? Probably not, because their leaders want them to stay where they are.
Do many of the poor people-in-street have access to outside media, so that they can learn about how they are being lied to? Again, I don't know. Or are they only able to hear the Hamas propaganda? If that is the case, then of course they are going to trust their 'leaders', to believe them when they say: look what the evil Israelis are doing, they are firing among our innocent citizens and killing them. They are killing our innocent women and children. These evil Israelis with their powerful weapons, are trying to kill all the Palestinians.
The way the Hamas appear to work, ensures that they will be kept in power by the very people that they are hurting.
And that is what upsets many people like me. I have no idea how to end this terrible terrible situation. All I can go on are the various media reports from around the world, and from our own journalists who are in both Gaza and in Israel, and who report on both "sides".
Many of us implore Israel to stop firing into areas where they know the Palestinians are, even though warnings have been sent. Of course we know that isn't the answer, but it's all we can think of to stop the suffering. Of course we know that won't stop the Hamas. Of course we know the low death rate in Israel is only because of Israel's ability to protect itself from the thousands of Hamas rockets that are fired into Israel. Of course we know that Israel cannot really just stop. But we don't know what else to suggest. We don't know how this awful situation can stopped.
Wanting to stop the suffering of the ordinary Palestinian does not mean we are anti-Israel. i am so very thankful that Israel does have the capability to offer its people the protection that it does.
I wish "someone" could come up with an answer to stop the whole thing. Yes, stop the rockets being fired into the innocent Palestinians. And stop the rockets being fired into Israel. And, very importantly, help the ordinary Palestinians see the Hamas for what they are, and offer a viable way out of their awful situation.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 10, 2014 15:21:02 GMT
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 10, 2014 15:26:13 GMT
Here is another link to a visual on Gaza and population density Link
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 15:29:58 GMT
In your diagram, I-95...keep in mind not only are the rockets fired from that densely populated area (by choice) but that's where all the schools and hospitals are where they keep their weapons. (again...by choice)
Honest to God I don't know how anyone can look at that and see that Hamas doesn't have a choice and are using heavily populated areas intentionally.
edited to add...and anyone needs proof that Hamas uses everyday Palestinians as human shields? Look at the map. There's all the proof you need.
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Post by BeckyTech on Aug 10, 2014 15:30:00 GMT
I've already given an explanation, did you not read it? I'll repeat..... I have no bloody idea who this Professor is. All I know is that he's Jewish. ... The original link had nothing to do with the fact that apartheid was mentioned in the interview but that reason will fall on deaf ears like the rest of the explanations. Dotty, when people proffer a link, it is usually because they agree with its contents – unless otherwise explicitly stated. You certainly seemed to imply that you agreed with him at the time you proffered the link as your comment was: The “throwing a lot of light on a number of topics” and “you should read it!” certainly implies agreement to me. You did not exclude his remarks about apartheid at the time, hence the comments you are now receiving. It's pretty obvious WHATEVER is linked that has any hint of any humanity towards the Palestinians is automatically ridiculed for one reason or another and labelled as being biased. The problem is that these reports are co-mingled with either outright blame of Israel and/or neglect to mention the Palestinians’ role in the matter in equal detail. That bothers some of us to the point where we are pointing out the bias in these reports with facts and logic. Can you counter with the same? Food for thought: Don’t you find it odd that the only way the Palestinians can seem to garner sympathy is with all these one-sided reports that leave out their actions that caused the reactions from the Israelis in the first place? A recurring theme is that Israel is reacting with counter measures that have been taken in response to actions initiated on the part of the Palestinians.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 10, 2014 15:30:41 GMT
Nobody thinks it does make you Anti-Israel. If that were the case pretty much the whole of Israel would be anti-Israel.
What I think is the issue here is people, and the media, are blaming Israel for this. Telling us that we should stop because we're killing children. I do not get why people are not out demonstrating against Hamas, or writing articles condemning Hamas for firing from Gaza City. If you (the general you) understand that Hamas is a terrorist organization, that they fire from residential buildings, that they literally don't care if Israel fires on, and kills civilians, why are people demonstrating against Israel and not Hamas? Unless, of course, they're anti-Israel. What other answer could there be?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 15:37:25 GMT
Exactly
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Post by BarbaraUK on Aug 10, 2014 15:51:14 GMT
(Dang, I wish posts here were numbered so we can quote by referring to post #x instead of having to quote whole tracts of text) i have hesitated and refrained from joining in, because I have no wish to be thought of as anti-Israel if I questioned anything that Israel does. However, Lefty, I really liked your post - it shows exactly how I feel about the Palestinians - the ordinary, people-in-the-street Palestinians. My heart aches for them. They are being lied to by those leading their 'country' (is 'country' the right word? I don't know). They are being duped in the most awful way. Having voted in those 'leaders' they seemingly have little way out of their situation now. Money that is supposed to help them is being diverted to fund purchase of more arms etc - the very things that will encourage their powerful next-door neighbour to continue to fire into the area where they live, thus continuing to worsen the situation. They are warned by their next-door-neighbour when the firing will target their specific area, but where can they go? Do they even know about all the warnings? Probably not, because their leaders want them to stay where they are.
Do many of the poor people-in-street have access to outside media, so that they can learn about how they are being lied to? Again, I don't know. Or are they only able to hear the Hamas propaganda? If that is the case, then of course they are going to trust their 'leaders', to believe them when they say: look what the evil Israelis are doing, they are firing among our innocent citizens and killing them. They are killing our innocent women and children. These evil Israelis with their powerful weapons, are trying to kill all the Palestinians.
The way the Hamas appear to work, ensures that they will be kept in power by the very people that they are hurting.
And that is what upsets many people like me. I have no idea how to end this terrible terrible situation. All I can go on are the various media reports from around the world, and from our own journalists who are in both Gaza and in Israel, and who report on both "sides".
Many of us implore Israel to stop firing into areas where they know the Palestinians are, even though warnings have been sent. Of course we know that isn't the answer, but it's all we can think of to stop the suffering. Of course we know that won't stop the Hamas. Of course we know the low death rate in Israel is only because of Israel's ability to protect itself from the thousands of Hamas rockets that are fired into Israel. Of course we know that Israel cannot really just stop. But we don't know what else to suggest. We don't know how this awful situation can stopped.
Wanting to stop the suffering of the ordinary Palestinian does not mean we are anti-Israel. i am so very thankful that Israel does have the capability to offer its people the protection that it does.
I wish "someone" could come up with an answer to stop the whole thing. Yes, stop the rockets being fired into the innocent Palestinians. And stop the rockets being fired into Israel. And, very importantly, help the ordinary Palestinians see the Hamas for what they are, and offer a viable way out of their awful situation.
KiwiJo, that is a well thought out, reasoned and compassionate (to both sides) post and I agree with just about every word of it. Some of us did try pages ago to say compassion for the humanitarian side of this conflict did not mean that we were anti Israel or Pro Hamas. That fell on deaf ears because several people decided it was anti Israel and weren't prepared to consider anything else and just resulted in a barrage of name calling, the best of which was being said to be anti Israel! I do very much hope you fair better because yours is a very balanced and humanitarian view on the situation.
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Post by KiwiJo on Aug 10, 2014 15:58:31 GMT
Nobody thinks it does make you Anti-Israel. If that were the case pretty much the whole of Israel would be anti-Israel. What I think is the issue here is people, and the media, are blaming Israel for this. Telling us that we should stop because we're killing children. I do not get why people are not out demonstrating against Hamas, or writing articles condemning Hamas for firing from Gaza City. If you (the general you) understand that Hamas is a terrorist organization, that they fire from residential buildings, that they literally don't care if Israel fires on, and kills civilians, why are people demonstrating against Israel and not Hamas? Unless, of course, they're anti-Israel. What other answer could there be? I can think of 2 "answers" (not really answers, just possible explanations). I suspect because many know that Hamas is totally unreasonable, and would take absolutely no notice. There is no point trying to reason with someone who won't listen to reason. Israel is probably seen as more "western", more "like us". So well-meaning people end up 'arguing' with the side that they most identify with. The other reason some demonstrate against Israel is because they are almost professional demonstrators who turn up at any anti-establishment demonstration. We see this where I live, because we have such a small population - it's easier to see some of the same people who turn up at almost every demonstration, no matter what it is about. I am sure it happens everywhere, but may be harder to spot and recognise them in big populations. They are protesting against the establishment, not for the other side. i don't have much time for either of these, to be honest. I think demonstrations are pretty much a waste of time and resources, and I don't take any notice of them. I certainly don't think a demonstration actually demonstrates the general population's feelings on the matter. Because there are anti-Israel demonstrations in an area, it does not mean most people in that area are anti-Israel. ***edit: it is 4am here, and I am now heading back to bed. If I appear to be ignoring anyone, it's really because I have managed to get back to sleep. *** 2nd edit from my ipad/in bed .... As far as 'demonstrations' like these threads on NSBR go - I suspect most of us 'arguing' against Israel do so because that's the only side we can argue with. If someone from Hamas were to post, we would sure as heck argue with them too!
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 10, 2014 16:23:24 GMT
As long as this is viewed as a problem between Israel and Palestinians, there will be no solutions.
That is not the problem.
Just stop and think about it for half a second.......
If no one armed them, what would they do?
You can't fire rockets you don't have.
If these other Arab countries cared about the Palestinian people, they would not keep ramping them up to a fever pitch and then supply them with arms that can result in only one thing - these Palestinians will use them against Israel and Israel will be forced to hurt them in self defense.
That is what is happening here.
You want an end? Begin decrying the arms dealers instead of those forced to defend themselves against those arms.
You want an end? Cry louder for the neighboring countries to be more humanitarian to the Palestinians than their enemy Israel is.
Not one single complaint about what Israel is doing wrong is going to make a difference to those who are fueling this violence.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 10, 2014 16:38:12 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement. Could you show me the exact places where you, or anyone else said that they were concerned for the humanitarian side of things and got called names doing so? Specifically for saying you had compassion for the humanitarian issue, and no other remarks about Israel? I've been following this thread fairly closely, and to the best of my knowledge any time someone mentioned their distress at the loss of Palestinian lives they were met with agreement, just as I did when Jo said she didn't think that wanting to stop the Palestinian suffering meant one was anti-Israel. I totally agreed with her, as i have done with everyone who has made such a statement. So please show me where anyone mentioned the suffering of the Palestinians, or the death of children, has resulted in a barrage of name calling. I know I did some serious name calling, in response to one poster, but it sure as heck wasn't over a statement of compassion for the Palestinians.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 10, 2014 16:57:39 GMT
I suspect if there were massive demonstrations against Hamas, they would take notice. If there's one thing that Hamas is very connected to, it's their PR campaign. Demonstrations against Israel are exactly what they want. If the tide turned and demonstrations were being held all over the world, against them, I think they would revisit their media campaign. It doesn't mean they would stop, but they would pay attention. And I agree with you on the last part, Westerners do tend to look at Israel as a 'reasonable' country, and expect Israel to be reasonable too....It's just when you're dealing with an enemy who is NOT reasonable, plays dirty etc, it's not possible to be reasonable.
Well, that's a scenario, I hadn't considered. Thanks for the new view!
I agree, but when there's no real opposition, like pro-Israel demonstrations, it begins to feel like that's the prevailing sentiment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 17:29:48 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement. Could you show me the exact places where you, or anyone else said that they were concerned for the humanitarian side of things and got called names doing so? Specifically for saying you had compassion for the humanitarian issue, and no other remarks about Israel? I've been following this thread fairly closely, and to the best of my knowledge any time someone mentioned their distress at the loss of Palestinian lives they were met with agreement, just as I did when Jo said she didn't think that wanting to stop the Palestinian suffering meant one was anti-Israel. I totally agreed with her, as i have done with everyone who has made such a statement. So please show me where anyone mentioned the suffering of the Palestinians, or the death of children, has resulted in a barrage of name calling. I know I did some serious name calling, in response to one poster, but it sure as heck wasn't over a statement of compassion for the Palestinians. How about this,
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Post by I-95 on Aug 10, 2014 17:58:50 GMT
I wasn't asking you, or Barbara, to show me quotes of where anyone had said anything nasty to you. I know they have. Barbara claimed 'Some of us did try pages ago to say compassion for the humanitarian side of this conflict did not mean that we were anti Israel or Pro Hamas. That fell on deaf ears because several people decided it was anti Israel and weren't prepared to consider anything else and just resulted in a barrage of name calling, the best of which was being said to be anti Israel!'
I asked her to show me where the 'barrage of name calling' went on over the mere posting of concern about the humanitarian issues. None of the things you quoted were people slamming you, or Barbara, for expressing concern over humanitarian conditions, and ONLY humanitarian conditions.
The 'Bite me' response you quoted Lauren as saying was in direct response to you saying 'Didn't take you long to get back to your old self did it Lauren!'...I don't believe that anyone was calling you names in direct connection with any direct sentiment expressed for the humanitarian issues....which is what Barbara claimed in her post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 18:15:26 GMT
There really is no reasoning with you I-95.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 10, 2014 19:01:18 GMT
There really is no reasoning with you I-95. Really? I'm being unreasonable? How so?
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Post by KiwiJo on Aug 10, 2014 19:34:41 GMT
As long as this is viewed as a problem between Israel and Palestinians, there will be no solutions. That is not the problem. Just stop and think about it for half a second.......If no one armed them, what would they do? You can't fire rockets you don't have.If these other Arab countries cared about the Palestinian people, they would not keep ramping them up to a fever pitch and then supply them with arms that can result in only one thing - these Palestinians will use them against Israel and Israel will be forced to hurt them in self defense. That is what is happening here. You want an end? Begin decrying the arms dealers instead of those forced to defend themselves against those arms.You want an end? Cry louder for the neighboring countries to be more humanitarian to the Palestinians than their enemy Israel is. Not one single complaint about what Israel is doing wrong is going to make a difference to those who are fueling this violence.Very good points, Lefty. Until now I really hadn't given too much thought to where their weapons and money came from. How can other countries put real pressure on those supplying Hamas? Only through trade, I suspect. And so i just did a really quick Google search, and was shocked to see that Saudi Arabia is New Zealand's 14th biggest export market. Of course it would take a lot more than NZ refusing to sell milk to them to change things, but if everyone did...... I haven't looked up the other countries that seem to support Hamas. But I think that real trade sanctions simply cannot happen, because so many of us are reliant on imports from some of these countries. So how can countries put meaningful pressure on those that supply Hamas with weapons and money? I am am off to work very soon, but I intend to do some research about this - it really isn't something I have thought about much until now.
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scrappinghappy
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Post by scrappinghappy on Aug 10, 2014 19:48:51 GMT
Dotty, in your own opinion, why do you think Hamas is NOT firing from the open areas in Gaza?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 20:38:15 GMT
Dotty, in your own opinion, why do you think Hamas is NOT firing from the open areas in Gaza? I have no idea why you should be particularly interested in my opinion whatsoever. IF I had an opinion to share I would share it with someone that I could have a reasonable discussion with. So if you don't mind I'll pass on your request.
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Post by I-95 on Aug 10, 2014 21:15:57 GMT
Dotty, in your own opinion, why do you think Hamas is NOT firing from the open areas in Gaza? C'mon Scrappinghappy, you know that's a really unreasonable question to ask
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 11, 2014 16:38:27 GMT
Imagine this scenerio. I am greedy and power-hungry. I've been taught to use hate as a way to control masses of people to do what I want, and as I sit in luxury, I want more. Here is a group of people locked in to a small strip of land along the Mediterranean all ready to use for my advantage! You think I'm going to not use them for my own gain? How can I use them? 1) I can continue to feed their hate for their neighbors. 2) I can make them believe they are dependent on me (and my select group) for their protection. 3) I can get other nations to fund and supply an unending supply of weapons. 4) I can smuggle these weapons in to these people that I am fueling with hate and making more desperate by the day. 5) I can get those poor people to protect those weapons more than they will protect their children! (I am amazing like that!) They don't even care that I'm taking their resources and building these tunnels right under their feet with entrances inside their homes! There is no limit on what I will spend to supply and protect these weapons. These innocents are fish in a barrel. Their videoed deaths are gold to me. 6) I can create elaborate misinformation propaganda campaigns........... etc etc (Dang, I wish posts here were numbered so we can quote by referring to post #x instead of having to quote whole tracts of text) i have hesitated and refrained from joining in, because I have no wish to be thought of as anti-Israel if I questioned anything that Israel does. However, Lefty, I really liked your post - it shows exactly how I feel about the Palestinians - the ordinary, people-in-the-street Palestinians. My heart aches for them. They are being lied to by those leading their 'country' (is 'country' the right word? I don't know). They are being duped in the most awful way. Having voted in those 'leaders' they seemingly have little way out of their situation now. Money that is supposed to help them is being diverted to fund purchase of more arms etc - the very things that will encourage their powerful next-door neighbour to continue to fire into the area where they live, thus continuing to worsen the situation. They are warned by their next-door-neighbour when the firing will target their specific area, but where can they go? Do they even know about all the warnings? Probably not, because their leaders want them to stay where they are.
Do many of the poor people-in-street have access to outside media, so that they can learn about how they are being lied to? Again, I don't know. Or are they only able to hear the Hamas propaganda? If that is the case, then of course they are going to trust their 'leaders', to believe them when they say: look what the evil Israelis are doing, they are firing among our innocent citizens and killing them. They are killing our innocent women and children. These evil Israelis with their powerful weapons, are trying to kill all the Palestinians.
The way the Hamas appear to work, ensures that they will be kept in power by the very people that they are hurting.
And that is what upsets many people like me. I have no idea how to end this terrible terrible situation. All I can go on are the various media reports from around the world, and from our own journalists who are in both Gaza and in Israel, and who report on both "sides".
Many of us implore Israel to stop firing into areas where they know the Palestinians are, even though warnings have been sent. Of course we know that isn't the answer, but it's all we can think of to stop the suffering. Of course we know that won't stop the Hamas. Of course we know the low death rate in Israel is only because of Israel's ability to protect itself from the thousands of Hamas rockets that are fired into Israel. Of course we know that Israel cannot really just stop. But we don't know what else to suggest. We don't know how this awful situation can stopped.
Wanting to stop the suffering of the ordinary Palestinian does not mean we are anti-Israel. i am so very thankful that Israel does have the capability to offer its people the protection that it does.
I wish "someone" could come up with an answer to stop the whole thing. Yes, stop the rockets being fired into the innocent Palestinians. And stop the rockets being fired into Israel. And, very importantly, help the ordinary Palestinians see the Hamas for what they are, and offer a viable way out of their awful situation.
I also feel bad for the innocent people who did not choose Hamas as their people's leader. I feel especially for the children who are made martyrs and used as propaganda to perpetuate more hate. However, Palestinians repeatedly have chosen leadership who use their hatred for Israel as validation for intifada and jihad. The PLO wasn't a great option but at least under the leadership of the PLO there were peace talks. But that actually made most Palestinians angry and they turned from the PLO to more anti-Israel and anti-peace options like terrorist led Hezbollah and now Hamas. When given an option for peaceful coexistence, they've chosen war and hate over and over again. I find it increasingly difficult to allow my emotional side to feel sorry when these people have had choices to avoid the situation they are in but choose war and hate. I'm at the point where I just feel frustration and exhaustion over it all. Frustrated that the hateful choice is always the path taken and exhausted trying to think of ways the world can respond that would make a meaningful difference. There just isn't a choice anymore. The UN and the US have provided peaceful options over the past 60 years but it's like we can lead the horse to water but can't make him drink- especially a horse that has vowed to die of thirst than drink from the same river as the their neighbors. I want peace for the Palestinians and their children. Israel is willing to have peace and always has been willing. Peace is attainable but it means the Palestinians need to change their goals from destroying Jews to building up their own communities.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 11, 2014 16:53:26 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement. Could you show me the exact places where you, or anyone else said that they were concerned for the humanitarian side of things and got called names doing so? Specifically for saying you had compassion for the humanitarian issue, and no other remarks about Israel? I've been following this thread fairly closely, and to the best of my knowledge any time someone mentioned their distress at the loss of Palestinian lives they were met with agreement, just as I did when Jo said she didn't think that wanting to stop the Palestinian suffering meant one was anti-Israel. I totally agreed with her, as i have done with everyone who has made such a statement. So please show me where anyone mentioned the suffering of the Palestinians, or the death of children, has resulted in a barrage of name calling. I know I did some serious name calling, in response to one poster, but it sure as heck wasn't over a statement of compassion for the Palestinians. How about this, I wasn't justifying anything. I was simply pointing out that it might help us understand someone's reaction by considering her personal story and experiences. Understanding where someone us coming from doesn't equal justification. I simply encouraged you to step back and try to understand where her anger stems from. If encouraging you to consider someone else's experience is what you consider name calling, you're really grasping at straws. And even then all you really have is an opinion from a Jewish woman who was hurt and frustrated over people blaming Israel for the fighting and deaths. I just don't see how anyone us telling you feeling for the humanitarian disaster in Gaza is equal to hating Israel. If that were true, I-95, Leftturnonly, and I, along with all of Israel itself would be anti-Israel since we have all expressed sympathy for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We just aren't willing to blame Israel for causing a crisis that Hamas has created.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 11, 2014 16:54:11 GMT
That's a pretty broad statement. Could you show me the exact places where you, or anyone else said that they were concerned for the humanitarian side of things and got called names doing so? Specifically for saying you had compassion for the humanitarian issue, and no other remarks about Israel? I've been following this thread fairly closely, and to the best of my knowledge any time someone mentioned their distress at the loss of Palestinian lives they were met with agreement, just as I did when Jo said she didn't think that wanting to stop the Palestinian suffering meant one was anti-Israel. I totally agreed with her, as i have done with everyone who has made such a statement. So please show me where anyone mentioned the suffering of the Palestinians, or the death of children, has resulted in a barrage of name calling. I know I did some serious name calling, in response to one poster, but it sure as heck wasn't over a statement of compassion for the Palestinians. How about this, I wasn't justifying anything. I was simply pointing out that it might help us understand someone's reaction by considering her personal story and experiences. I simply encouraged you to step back and try to understand where her anger stems from. If encouraging you to consider someone else's experience is what you consider name calling, you're really grasping at straws. And even then all you really have is an opinion from a Jewish woman who was hurt and frustrated over people blaming Israel for the fighting and deaths. I just don't see how anyone is telling you that having compassion for the humanitarian disaster in Gaza is equal to hating Israel. If that were true, I-95, Leftturnonly, and I, along with all of Israel itself would be anti-Israel since we have all expressed sympathy for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We just aren't willing to blame Israel for causing a crisis that Hamas has created.
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