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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 1:38:04 GMT
No one can answer you properly if you can't agree to the actual definition of words in the common language we're all using.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2016 1:47:16 GMT
No one can answer you properly if you can't agree to the actual definition of words in the common language we're all using. I suspect this is the problem she is having with someone else, and trying here to validate her argument
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 1:54:48 GMT
Does Fact and Truthiness mean the same thing to you? The 3rd word I filled in was another opposite of fact. I guess I would call it facts other opposite. If your third word is fact's "other opposite", then it is opinion's synonym, and your triad would be white, white, black instead of white, grey, black. Truthiness is a word coined by Stephen Colbert, meaning "the quality of seeming or being felt to be true, even if not necessarily true" which is why I consider it a blending of opinion and truth in the same way that grey is a blending of white and black. Ok, Truthiness would be closer to my #3 word. I put Intuition for my #3. Opinion is what someone thinks, ( Air ) Intuition is what someone feels, ( water) Then Fact is what something is ( Earth ) The air/sky is out ( open/up ) "Opin-ion" Opposing "In", also sounds like: Open The water is in ( deep/down ) "In-tuition The earth is on ( surface/between ) "F-actual"
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 1:57:23 GMT
I'll take a stab at it.
I'd say:
1. Opinion 2. Anecdote 3. Fact
Anecdotes are subjective interpretations of facts, sort of, so they could make an interesting gray area bridge in this model.
This is a weird and kind of interesting question, like the Miller Analogies Test - I assumed the picture the OP was referring to was a reference to Venn Diagrams.
Anyway. Yes. Back to my knitting.
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Post by Drew on May 1, 2016 2:03:47 GMT
There are new age forums out there that I think might be more fulfilling for you. The audiences are comprised of like-minded readers. Have you thought about asking your questions within an environment where they would be taken seriously and responded to with thought and detail? I just think you'd find the experience you're looking for in a different setting.
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Post by anaterra on May 1, 2016 2:06:39 GMT
Wow Drew that was nice.. when I'm sitting here thinking huh?? Wha??? Confused look on my face... papercrafteradvocate... i like what you are saying...
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 2:06:50 GMT
I hate when people post shit that's just a bad as "vague-booking" thinking to be clever or coy to enlighten others. Just say what you want to discuss and discuss it! There is no polarity in duality --duality is finite, it's either black or its white. No wiggle room, an opinion of a person at the opposite end of the spectrum from another. Polarity ceases to exist in this scenario as it encompasses all the little gray areas in between. Duality is the division, vast differences, separation of options, while polarity is what brings opinions together, creating discussion and potential unity or understanding. Not trying to "enlighten" others. I was just curious to what others thought. Then I express my view. Not expecting to be agreed with. And my view is you can't have a black without a white. You can't know light unless you have experienced dark. I consider duality to be the experience of coming to know polarity. First you experience light as what you embrace and dark as what you avoid. That's what I consider is the duality aspect. Then in the aspect of polarity you experience the need for a balance. To know what you embrace you have to know what you avoid. At least that's my view on it and I don't expect anyone to agree.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 2:11:11 GMT
There are new age forums out there that I think might be more fulfilling for you. The audiences are comprised of like-minded readers. Have you thought about asking your questions within an environment where they would be taken seriously and responded to with thought and detail? I just think you'd find the experience you're looking for in a different setting. I did ask this in a group like that too and we are in discussion with it at the moment. I wasn't sure though if this topic was considered to be like that though. Does associating words with the 4 elements sound new agey? I would think it would be more Feng Shui-y
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 2:37:39 GMT
That's not a drawing. It's a random collection of words that make absolutely no sense or relationship for anyone looking at it. Ok maybe a visual sounds better? And I disagree that there's no relationship. I'm expressing my view for the opportunity, experience and the exploration. I'm not doing it for you to change your mind. I'd actually rather have someone debate with me because that brings more opportunity to explore my view. I will use the word Thoughts to associate with Air. Thoughts are ideas, open to explore. They aren't of any density. When someone feel too much in their thoughts it may be best for them to observe their thoughts instead of identify with them. The terms: "Figure it out", "Open mind", "Air Head" Or when your thoughts get clouded. The mental aspect. Feelings I will use to associate with water. You have to let your guard down to feel. Tears can come when one feels deeply. INtuition is felt deep. Poetry is written with feeling. It's flowy and deep. Expressing feelings is healthy. It's release, and cleansing. When water can't flow it gets murky. The terms: "go with the flow","drain","imagINation" Or when your feelings run deep. The emotional aspect. But that's just my view and it works for me.
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Post by rst on May 1, 2016 2:46:04 GMT
Babble Bunkum Bullshit
Does that work?
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Post by rst on May 1, 2016 2:47:22 GMT
Dual and duel -- different words, differnt root words, different meanings. Yikes.
Though I guess truthiness is easier to achieve if one just starts using words however one wishes to, regardless of what they actually mean.
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Post by marianne on May 1, 2016 3:10:15 GMT
mymindseyedpea"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." ~ Albert Einstein ~
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 3:34:18 GMT
Dual and duel -- different words, differnt root words, different meanings. Yikes. Though I guess truthiness is easier to achieve if one just starts using words however one wishes to, regardless of what they actually mean. I can see the relation to both words. I guess I can use the word Separate as the duality. Separate in the way where it's option vs. fact I see polarity as complimentary: option with intuition Both 2 things but different meanings.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2016 3:35:31 GMT
If your third word is fact's "other opposite", then it is opinion's synonym, and your triad would be white, white, black instead of white, grey, black. Truthiness is a word coined by Stephen Colbert, meaning "the quality of seeming or being felt to be true, even if not necessarily true" which is why I consider it a blending of opinion and truth in the same way that grey is a blending of white and black. Ok, Truthiness would be closer to my #3 word. I put Intuition for my #3. Opinion is what someone thinks, ( Air ) Intuition is what someone feels, ( water) Then Fact is what something is ( Earth ) The air/sky is out ( open/up ) "Opin-ion" Opposing "In", also sounds like: Open The water is in ( deep/down ) "In-tuition The earth is on ( surface/between ) "F-actual" What. The. F^ck?
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 3:36:46 GMT
mymindseyedpea"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." ~ Albert Einstein ~ I guess I can see that... In a way where if someone feels a deeper meaning with something it may be hard for them to simplify it in words. So if they can't explain it in simple terms then they don't understand it enough on a surfaced level.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2016 3:46:03 GMT
I hate when people post shit that's just a bad as "vague-booking" thinking to be clever or coy to enlighten others. Just say what you want to discuss and discuss it! There is no polarity in duality --duality is finite, it's either black or its white. No wiggle room, an opinion of a person at the opposite end of the spectrum from another. Polarity ceases to exist in this scenario as it encompasses all the little gray areas in between. Duality is the division, vast differences, separation of options, while polarity is what brings opinions together, creating discussion and potential unity or understanding. Not trying to "enlighten" others. I was just curious to what others thought. Then I express my view. Not expecting to be agreed with. And my view is you can't have a black without a white. You can't know light unless you have experienced dark. I consider duality to be the experience of coming to know polarity. First you experience light as what you embrace and dark as what you avoid. That's what I consider is the duality aspect. Then in the aspect of polarity you experience the need for a balance. To know what you embrace you have to know what you avoid. At least that's my view on it and I don't expect anyone to agree. You can have black without white. You can have darkness without light I don't think you know what duality/polarity really means, Everyone starts with darkness and are born to light, And your environment/milieux are what guide you to see other ideals.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2016 3:58:26 GMT
mymindseyedpea"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." ~ Albert Einstein ~ I guess I can see that... In a way where if someone feels a deeper meaning with something it may be hard for them to simplify it in words. So if they can't explain it in simple terms then they don't understand it enough on a surfaced level. You proved her point all over the place. You don't see it or get it because you cannot even explain what the heck you are talking about! You change words, assign other words to represent then, then change them again. It's not about "being a deep thinker" either.
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Post by flanz on May 1, 2016 4:38:49 GMT
If 2 people are arguing and one of them says "That's just your opinion". What could the other person react back with if they don't agree? "No, it's a...." fact
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Post by smginaz Suzy on May 1, 2016 4:39:26 GMT
Opinion Fact Personal Experience (Anecdotal, which may be an outlier)
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 5:17:00 GMT
I guess I can see that... In a way where if someone feels a deeper meaning with something it may be hard for them to simplify it in words. So if they can't explain it in simple terms then they don't understand it enough on a surfaced level. You proved her point all over the place. You don't see it or get it because you cannot even explain what the heck you are talking about! You change words, assign other words to represent then, then change them again. It's not about "being a deep thinker" either. I experience many times where I'm sharing an insight ( feeling a deeper meaning ) and some aren't understanding it because they are staying in the surfaced experience with the words I'm choosing to use. What they logically mean. How they calculate...etc What I express is meant to be felt. Because I'm expressing what I am feeling. Not just felt on the factual level or the logical meaning. That's what deep is. Going below and beyond logic ( which yes I can see that possibly running into new age ) But you make it sound like it takes skill to be deep. In my experience it just takes allowing yourself to feel deeper meaning. If you don't feel deeper meaning in anything then you may feel more comfortable in logical meaning. Neither one is better than the other. I don't feel comfortable in logical meaning exploration because it feels too limited to me. Someone else may not feel comfortable in deeper meaning exploration because it feels too unstructured to them. Both explorations have their gifts. Whether you see me as a deep person or not... for me to support the consideration of deeper meaning existing would be for me to "having my feeling that I am a deep person" be enough validation for it to be my truth. And since I do support the consideration that there does exist deeper meanings ( new age or not ) , it is enough validation for me to feel that I am a deep person.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 1, 2016 6:55:33 GMT
Ye gods.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 7:14:51 GMT
Ok, Truthiness would be closer to my #3 word. I put Intuition for my #3. Opinion is what someone thinks, ( Air ) Intuition is what someone feels, ( water) Then Fact is what something is ( Earth ) The air/sky is out ( open/up ) "Opin-ion" Opposing "In", also sounds like: Open The water is in ( deep/down ) "In-tuition The earth is on ( surface/between ) "F-actual" What. The. F^ck? I picture the OP writing from a hut surrounded by chimes and homemade candles in the middle of a nudist colony.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 7:28:36 GMT
I'm guessing you are a real hoot at parties
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 8:06:38 GMT
I really don't know how to answer your question. You have to remember that the words you write here have no tone and no real emotion, we all have to rely on our understanding of those words to understand you. I get that you're expressing what you feel but behind a computer screen we have no idea what that might be unless you explain it clearly.
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Post by gar on May 1, 2016 8:48:27 GMT
OP, I swing between being open minded to your thought processes and trying to understand .... and wondering if I'm being punked. You want us to understand and recognise that you don't simply mean what you say, that somehow we're supposed to understand what deeper meaning you feel when saying those words rather than their actual meaning, as defined in a dictionary and commonly understood? If someone speaks to me, using words I know and understand to have specific meaning, how do I put that aside and feel what your intention was instead?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2016 12:03:54 GMT
Well then you suck at "being deep" and conveying any train of thoughts to carry a conversation because no one --logical or "deep thinker" can understand the nonsense you're tripping over here.
You're the only person who "gets" your nonsense--and it is nonsense--not this deeper thing that you throw out.
Albert Einstein was a deep thinker, out of the box, progressive.
Deep thinking is not "toss out words and then assign new words to represent them in the midst of conversation"
I think you try too hard to be this "free and deep thinker" and in the process suffer with real relationships because no one knows what the hell you are trying to say.
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Post by JustTricia on May 1, 2016 12:31:35 GMT
I agree with the above posters. If, by your own words, we aren't to us the "logical" definition of the words you are choosing, how are we to read what you are saying? We can't see your expression or body language, can't hear your tone or inflection, then all we have are your words to go on here. There are millions and millions of words, there has to be words to express how you are "deeper feeling". Please choose to use those words, and you may end up with people being able to have fascinating discussions with you. Without that, we have to go with what the words mean to us.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 12:31:57 GMT
I've got a headache after reading this thread
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Post by elaine on May 1, 2016 12:48:48 GMT
How about explaining the situation in plain old English for us non-enlightened types?
Something like, "I was having tea with a friend and she said, "X." I responded with, "Y." She got mad and said, "Q." I am upset because I think that she doesn't value my input. What do you peas think?"
We might be able to give you some insight into the relationship and some advice.
You can then translate that back into whatever language you want to use if you think that is more helpful for you.
The "enlightened" language certainly isn't intelligible for anyone else here. And what happens is that there are pages of responses related to trying to understand what you are saying. And numerous posts where you try to appear "enlightened" and "deep," while not making any sense, nor actually discussing the issue at hand.
Skip the fancy-pants language and speak clearly, plainly, and with the most basic words possible. If you want help understanding the relationship/issue in the OP, that is. If you just want to argue, and appear like a naive youngster, well then, carry on!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 13:00:01 GMT
I think we should all go do a few bong hits and then come back to this thread. It will make more sense and everyone will be in a better mood.
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