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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2016 20:39:03 GMT
You said early in the thread: . Then you said you would explain. So, from what you have posted, it seems like this whole morass started with an argument between you and another person. It would help me immensely to know how the argument actually went and what it was about in order to understand what you are attempting to use words to explain/justify. Well it wasn't an argument I had. I really don't know how one thing lead to the another, but my boyfriend was talking about one of those monopoly stickers he had from the McDonalds game when we were driving to the store. Then when we got to the checkout the cashier asked my boyfriend if he played Monopoly. He said yes and the cashier gave him a generous handful of Monopoly stickers. And I got into this whole deep exploration with him about how he was just mentioning his sticker and then he got a bunch more. I told him I felt it happened because he actually may be showing some gratitude for once. ( which gets into a whole bunch of new agey law of attraction, vibe matching and gratitude being the best way to embrace presence kind of stuff ) Somehow my expressing this to him ( if I recall this correctly ) had him says that's just my opinion. And since I was already in depth of meaning I started reflecting on the word opinion and doing my whole elemental association with it. And the conclusion I came to about it is that opinion is of the air element. It's what someone thinks. And since I associate the earth element as a duality to air ( when it's just referring to the experience of those 2 ) I associated a word that supports the earth element that would be the duality to the word opinion, which was the word fact. And boyfriend agreed that the opposite of an opinion is a fact. And I told him but that's not the only aspect. Fact is like the surfaced opposite. There's a deeper opposite to an opinion and that's intuition. So the first opposite is the opinion against the fact. It's a contrast. ( and I guess in new age terms that's considered a duality, although I still don't get how it's new agey ) The second opposite is the intuition, which is a compliment of an opinion. ( which is a polarity, according to hopefully more than new age ) When I share an insight that I feel, it's not necessarily a fact. It's my opinion. What I feel compliments with how I share it. A fact can debunk an opinion or intuition with being "correct". So it's a contrast to both sides. A fact is the balance between the opinion and intuition so one doesn't get permanently lost in their thoughts or feelings. That's what inspired me to create this thread, for others to share their thoughts on this idea. Oh for crying out loud. All this over McDonald's Monopoly stickers? He got them because the game is close to ending And they didn't want them to go to waste.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 20:54:12 GMT
Oh for crying out loud. All this over McDonald's Monopoly stickers? That is freaking awesome! OP, I do wish you had brought up the whole laws of attraction part earlier, I can actually grasp that concept.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 2, 2016 21:06:22 GMT
Oh for crying out loud. All this over McDonald's Monopoly stickers? He got them because the game is close to ending And they didn't want them to go to waste. That may be the logical reason. ( I didn't even know the game was going on or that it was ending ) But if boyfriend witnessed all of the customers in front of him not getting any stickers or the one after him, then it seems like there could hold a possibility that there was a deeper reason. He told me it's because the cashier thought he was the coolest guy ever. But I think he's just joking about that. He said no it's true, but I was too far away from it that I didn't witness it for validation. I was actually more on a logical level at the time and said to him the cashier didn't even know him. I guess if many can claim that they received a bunch of stickers from checkout too then I would be more supportive with the logical reason. But I felt it was deeper than that and I got inspired with an insight about inner gratitude. ( that I'm in the middle of writing )
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Post by grinningcat on May 2, 2016 21:27:57 GMT
Whenever that stupid game is on EVERYONE is giving away stickers. It has nothing to do with the universe acknowledging your BF's gratitude or whatever other bullshit but instead has everything to do with the FACT that everyone who plays the damn game has a million and four stickers that they can't use so they pawn them off on someone else to get rid of them. That's the reason. Nothing else. Not that he was cool or the universe was acknowledging him or that there was some deep reason... but because they needed to get rid of the stickers and he plays the damn game. How the hell did you go down this illogical, incomprehensible rabbit hole and take us with you?
Good grief. All this new agey bullshit over McDonalds. This has got to be a joke.
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Post by gar on May 2, 2016 21:34:33 GMT
How do you even make up bollocks like this??
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Post by grinningcat on May 2, 2016 21:36:53 GMT
How do you even make up bollocks like this?? Dude. I wish I could make this shit up... imagine the books I could sell. I'd be rich! RICH I SAY! muahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2016 21:38:50 GMT
Whenever that stupid game is on EVERYONE is giving away stickers. It has nothing to do with the universe acknowledging your BF's gratitude or whatever other bullshit but instead has everything to do with the FACT that everyone who plays the damn game has a million and four stickers that they can't use so they pawn them off on someone else to get rid of them. That's the reason. Nothing else. Not that he was cool or the universe was acknowledging him or that there was some deep reason... but because they needed to get rid of the stickers and he plays the damn game. How the hell did you go down this illogical, incomprehensible rabbit hole and take us with you? Good grief. All this new agey bullshit over McDonalds. This has got to be a joke. This!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2016 21:42:27 GMT
Oh for crying out loud. All this over McDonald's Monopoly stickers? He got them because the game is close to ending And they didn't want them to go to waste. That may be the logical reason. ( I didn't even know the game was going on or that it was ending ) But if boyfriend witnessed all of the customers in front of him not getting any stickers or the one after him, then it seems like there could hold a possibility that there was a deeper reason. He told me it's because the cashier thought he was the coolest guy ever. But I think he's just joking about that. He said no it's true, but I was too far away from it that I didn't witness it for validation. I was actually more on a logical level at the time and said to him the cashier didn't even know him. I guess if many can claim that they received a bunch of stickers from checkout too then I would be more supportive with the logical reason. But I felt it was deeper than that and I got inspired with an insight about inner gratitude. ( that I'm in the middle of writing ) The McD's cashier thought your BF was hot, thus giving him more than a regular share. Some cashiers do this thinking they are screwing McD's out of (would be unclaimed prizes). Some McD's managers are sick to death of seeing them and tell them to dump them. But for you to "look for the deeper meaning" in McD's Monopoly game pieces is just looney tunes.
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Post by grinningcat on May 2, 2016 21:43:44 GMT
That may be the logical reason. ( I didn't even know the game was going on or that it was ending ) But if boyfriend witnessed all of the customers in front of him not getting any stickers or the one after him, then it seems like there could hold a possibility that there was a deeper reason. He told me it's because the cashier thought he was the coolest guy ever. But I think he's just joking about that. He said no it's true, but I was too far away from it that I didn't witness it for validation. I was actually more on a logical level at the time and said to him the cashier didn't even know him. I guess if many can claim that they received a bunch of stickers from checkout too then I would be more supportive with the logical reason. But I felt it was deeper than that and I got inspired with an insight about inner gratitude. ( that I'm in the middle of writing ) The McD's cashier thought your BF was hot, thus giving him more than a regular share. Some cashiers do this thinking they are screwing McD's out of (would be unclaimed prizes). Some McD's managers are sick to death of seeing them and tell them to dump them. But for you to "look for the deeper meaning" in McD's Monopoly game pieces is just looney tunes. Maybe the colour combinations are what make it new agey.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 2, 2016 21:47:24 GMT
Oh for crying out loud. All this over McDonald's Monopoly stickers? He got them because the game is close to ending And they didn't want them to go to waste. That may be the logical reason. ( I didn't even know the game was going on or that it was ending ) But if boyfriend witnessed all of the customers in front of him not getting any stickers or the one after him, then it seems like there could hold a possibility that there was a deeper reason. He told me it's because the cashier thought he was the coolest guy ever. But I think he's just joking about that. He said no it's true, but I was too far away from it that I didn't witness it for validation. I was actually more on a logical level at the time and said to him the cashier didn't even know him. I guess if many can claim that they received a bunch of stickers from checkout too then I would be more supportive with the logical reason. But I felt it was deeper than that and I got inspired with an insight about inner gratitude. ( that I'm in the middle of writing ) The cashier probably said to her/his self--- "self...these stupid games pieces are going no where one piece at a time, so how about we give a handful to the next person in line?" Better yet...go back and engage the cashier, ask them if it was the awesome vibes of gratitude that you BF was radiating that caused them to give him a handful of game pieces.
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Post by elaine on May 2, 2016 21:53:58 GMT
You said early in the thread: . Then you said you would explain. So, from what you have posted, it seems like this whole morass started with an argument between you and another person. It would help me immensely to know how the argument actually went and what it was about in order to understand what you are attempting to use words to explain/justify. Well it wasn't an argument I had. I really don't know how one thing lead to the another, but my boyfriend was talking about one of those monopoly stickers he had from the McDonalds game when we were driving to the store. Then when we got to the checkout the cashier asked my boyfriend if he played Monopoly. He said yes and the cashier gave him a generous handful of Monopoly stickers. And I got into this whole deep exploration with him about how he was just mentioning his sticker and then he got a bunch more. I told him I felt it happened because he actually may be showing some gratitude for once. ( which gets into a whole bunch of new agey law of attraction, vibe matching and gratitude being the best way to embrace presence kind of stuff ) Somehow my expressing this to him ( if I recall this correctly ) had him says that's just my opinion. And since I was already in depth of meaning I started reflecting on the word opinion and doing my whole elemental association with it. And the conclusion I came to about it is that opinion is of the air element. It's what someone thinks. And since I associate the earth element as a duality to air ( when it's just referring to the experience of those 2 ) I associated a word that supports the earth element that would be the duality to the word opinion, which was the word fact. And boyfriend agreed that the opposite of an opinion is a fact. And I told him but that's not the only aspect. Fact is like the surfaced opposite. There's a deeper opposite to an opinion and that's intuition. So the first opposite is the opinion against the fact. It's a contrast. ( and I guess in new age terms that's considered a duality, although I still don't get how it's new agey ) The second opposite is the intuition, which is a compliment of an opinion. ( which is a polarity, according to hopefully more than new age ) When I share an insight that I feel, it's not necessarily a fact. It's my opinion. What I feel compliments with how I share it. A fact can debunk an opinion or intuition with being "correct". So it's a contrast to both sides. A fact is the balance between the opinion and intuition so one doesn't get permanently lost in their thoughts or feelings. That's what inspired me to create this thread, for others to share their thoughts on this idea. Thank you for your explanation - that would have been helpful at the beginning. The law of parsimony is a philosophical principle that states that the explanation of a behavior that makes the fewest assumptions is the best explanation. That the game is close to ending and the McD's cashier wanted to give away as many pieces as possible makes many fewer assumptions than all the mechanations you have gone through to explain the behavior. In such a superficial relationship as McD's cashier/paying customer, I think the whole law of attraction/gratitude stuff is a bit overboard and makes many unwarranted assumptions.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 2, 2016 22:14:28 GMT
I guess my explanation was coherent enough to understand...
Since this giving out of the stickers seems common I am open to supporting that there is a logical reason for boyfriend's experience. I never said I was closed to it.
Additionally could there be a deeper reason as well? I could play that game forever with possibilities in words to explore that.
I just know I felt a deeper reason. Whether it's about the Monopoly, or the gratitude, or the vibe...etc
And I went with that feeling and found an insight that inspired me to write about and I love that feeling. So even if there was no deeper meaning to boyfriend's experience, it still brought me to the insight I'm writing about.
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Post by marianne on May 2, 2016 22:26:59 GMT
How the hell did you go down this illogical, incomprehensible rabbit hole and take us with you? Not all of us! lol I can only think that you, mymindseyedpea (and your unbelievably tolerant boy friend) must be overwhelmingly exhausted at the end of each day if you dissect every event/activity/occurence of your life with the same degree of implausible, analytical deep thinking as you do a few Monopoly stickers. I hope you find the answers you seek.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 2, 2016 22:27:16 GMT
Thank you for your explanation - that would have been helpful at the beginning. The law of parsimony is a philosophical principle that states that the explanation of a behavior that makes the fewest assumptions is the best explanation. That the game is close to ending and the McD's cashier wanted to give away as many pieces as possible makes many fewer assumptions than all the mechanations you have gone through to explain the behavior. In such a superficial relationship as McD's cashier/paying customer, I think the whole law of attraction/gratitude stuff is a bit overboard and makes many unwarranted assumptions. You're welcome. I guess I could just as easily have said that my boyfriend and I were talking about something subjective and he told me what I said about it was just my opinion. That got me wondering what the duality of an opinion is. But maybe next time I'm curious now about that law of parsimony. It probably has to do with starting on a foundation Is it always something structured to where one is coming from? I guess that's known as the background.
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Post by 950nancy on May 2, 2016 22:35:35 GMT
The words are brillig and do gyre and gimble in the wabe. All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome wraths outgrabe. I made my kids memorize this every year in school.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 22:42:12 GMT
You said early in the thread: . Then you said you would explain. So, from what you have posted, it seems like this whole morass started with an argument between you and another person. It would help me immensely to know how the argument actually went and what it was about in order to understand what you are attempting to use words to explain/justify. Well it wasn't an argument I had. I really don't know how one thing lead to the another, but my boyfriend was talking about one of those monopoly stickers he had from the McDonalds game when we were driving to the store. Then when we got to the checkout the cashier asked my boyfriend if he played Monopoly. He said yes and the cashier gave him a generous handful of Monopoly stickers. And I got into this whole deep exploration with him about how he was just mentioning his sticker and then he got a bunch more. I told him I felt it happened because he actually may be showing some gratitude for once. ( which gets into a whole bunch of new agey law of attraction, vibe matching and gratitude being the best way to embrace presence kind of stuff ) Somehow my expressing this to him ( if I recall this correctly ) had him says that's just my opinion. And since I was already in depth of meaning I started reflecting on the word opinion and doing my whole elemental association with it. And the conclusion I came to about it is that opinion is of the air element. It's what someone thinks. And since I associate the earth element as a duality to air ( when it's just referring to the experience of those 2 ) I associated a word that supports the earth element that would be the duality to the word opinion, which was the word fact. And boyfriend agreed that the opposite of an opinion is a fact. And I told him but that's not the only aspect. Fact is like the surfaced opposite. There's a deeper opposite to an opinion and that's intuition. So the first opposite is the opinion against the fact. It's a contrast. ( and I guess in new age terms that's considered a duality, although I still don't get how it's new agey ) The second opposite is the intuition, which is a compliment of an opinion. ( which is a polarity, according to hopefully more than new age ) When I share an insight that I feel, it's not necessarily a fact. It's my opinion. What I feel compliments with how I share it. A fact can debunk an opinion or intuition with being "correct". So it's a contrast to both sides. A fact is the balance between the opinion and intuition so one doesn't get permanently lost in their thoughts or feelings. That's what inspired me to create this thread, for others to share their thoughts on this idea. What I can't get over is this incredibly strange word vomit over Monopoly stickers but then you go on to refer to something as relatively mainstream as the Law of Attraction as new agey.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 2, 2016 22:42:20 GMT
How the hell did you go down this illogical, incomprehensible rabbit hole and take us with you? Not all of us! lol I can only think that you, mymindseyedpea (and your unbelievably tolerant boy friend) must be overwhelmingly exhausted at the end of each day if you dissect every event/activity/occurence of your life with the same degree of implausible, analytical deep thinking as you do a few Monopoly stickers. I hope you find the answers you seek. No, I prefer a balance to that. I keep my feeling open to a deeper meaning and when I feel one is when I reflect on it. Or if there is some synchronistic experience I will reflect on that. Sometimes it goes deeper, other times it doesn't and I leave it at that.
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Post by 950nancy on May 2, 2016 22:45:02 GMT
One of our cashiers was fired for giving away game pieces to her family. -Fact I will never win the stupid game, Opinion
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 2, 2016 23:09:34 GMT
What I can't get over is this incredibly strange word vomit over Monopoly stickers but then you go on to refer to something as relatively mainstream as the Law of Attraction as new agey. I didn't know Law of Attraction was considered mainstream. It seems new age to me because ( at least what I've known it to be as) it supports that we create our own reality and the higher the vibe someone is on the more they attract either subconsciously or consciously. Ha ha ...Logan on Gilmore Girls just answered Paris's question: "What are you doing here?" And he answered with: "You're not talking metaphysically are you?" I reflect that with the Universe being cute But no further.
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 2, 2016 23:10:32 GMT
The words are brillig and do gyre and gimble in the wabe. All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome wraths outgrabe. I made my kids memorize this every year in school. Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote The droghte of Marche hath perced to the roote That's all I remember...
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Post by flute4peace on May 2, 2016 23:49:16 GMT
If 2 people are arguing and one of them says "That's just your opinion". What could the other person react back with if they don't agree? "No, it's a...." fact? (but you have to be able to back that up)
ETA: Nevermind, clearly I didn't read through the whole thread before replying.
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Post by 950nancy on May 3, 2016 0:02:23 GMT
All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome wraths outgrabe. I made my kids memorize this every year in school. Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote The droghte of Marche hath perced to the roote That's all I remember… Okay. Either you have been smoking something or there is an alternate verse I just don't know! I just looked it up. You went all Canterbury Tales and we were all Through the Looking Glass! Chaucer/Lewis Carroll Same thing!
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Post by elaine on May 3, 2016 0:12:54 GMT
Thank you for your explanation - that would have been helpful at the beginning. The law of parsimony is a philosophical principle that states that the explanation of a behavior that makes the fewest assumptions is the best explanation. That the game is close to ending and the McD's cashier wanted to give away as many pieces as possible makes many fewer assumptions than all the mechanations you have gone through to explain the behavior. In such a superficial relationship as McD's cashier/paying customer, I think the whole law of attraction/gratitude stuff is a bit overboard and makes many unwarranted assumptions. You're welcome. I guess I could just as easily have said that my boyfriend and I were talking about something subjective and he told me what I said about it was just my opinion. That got me wondering what the duality of an opinion is. But maybe next time I'm curious now about that law of parsimony. It probably has to do with starting on a foundation Is it always something structured to where one is coming from? I guess that's known as the background. I don't understand your question about the Law of Parsimony (also known as Occam's Razor) regarding foundation, structure, and background. You need to give concrete examples so that I/others understand what you are talking about. Why don't you read this simplistic Wikipedia explanation of Occam's razor and maybe it will make more sense to you? You seem to like philosophy, so maybe this will resonate with you.
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Post by artbabe on May 3, 2016 0:47:55 GMT
This thread has everything: McDonald's, New Age mysticism, Lewis Carroll, Chaucer, Occam's razor, arm pit hair... I keep reading the OP's posts trying to understand them but I'm just ? I'm enjoying the thread, though...
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 3, 2016 1:00:25 GMT
You're welcome. I guess I could just as easily have said that my boyfriend and I were talking about something subjective and he told me what I said about it was just my opinion. That got me wondering what the duality of an opinion is. But maybe next time I'm curious now about that law of parsimony. It probably has to do with starting on a foundation Is it always something structured to where one is coming from? I guess that's known as the background. I don't understand your question about the Law of Parsimony (also known as Occam's Razor) regarding foundation, structure, and background. You need to give concrete examples so that I/others understand what you are talking about. Why don't you read this simplistic Wikipedia explanation of Occam's razor and maybe it will make more sense to you? You seem to like philosophy, so maybe this will resonate with you. Oh, I thought you were referring this type of philosophy to my lack of explaining where I was coming from with my post. This sounds like if the explanation one has for a theory has a lot of loopholes then it can be more falsified than if it didn't? Yes I am into philosophy. I love exploring being philosophical. I see it like an avenue to explore and expand in wisdom. I wrote a whole thing about why anything beyond the physical cannot be proved on whether it exists or not.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on May 3, 2016 1:20:04 GMT
This thread has everything: McDonald's, New Age mysticism, Lewis Carroll, Chaucer, Occam's razor, arm pit hair.... Just needs some Hoff, kitten heels, hairless mole rats, and merkins.
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Post by flute4peace on May 3, 2016 3:10:53 GMT
This thread has everything: McDonald's, New Age mysticism, Lewis Carroll, Chaucer, Occam's razor, arm pit hair.... Just needs some Hoff, kitten heels, hairless mole rats, and merkins. Don't forget the Solid Gold Dancer
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 3, 2016 3:19:01 GMT
Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote The droghte of Marche hath perced to the roote That's all I remember… Okay. Either you have been smoking something or there is an alternate verse I just don't know! I just looked it up. You went all Canterbury Tales and we were all Through the Looking Glass! Chaucer/Lewis Carroll Same thing! haha! I didn't know the "Through the Looking Glass" quotes and Canterbury Tales popped in my head because of the Old English. Just keeping it interesting at the peas.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 3, 2016 6:19:18 GMT
Jeez. 5 pages because you eat at MacDonalds.
Hang on, your new age credentials have taken a bit of a battering with that admission, unless they have suddenly started making lentil burgers.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 3, 2016 6:28:11 GMT
Jeez. 5 pages because you eat at MacDonalds. Hang on, your new age credentials have taken a bit of a battering with that admission, unless they have suddenly started making lentil burgers. I haven't had McDonalds in years. And I'm keeping it that way.
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