eggypeggy
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Post by eggypeggy on May 1, 2016 13:05:07 GMT
The words are brillig and do gyre and gimble in the wabe.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 13:05:38 GMT
Skip the fancy-pants language I love that.
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Post by seikashaven on May 1, 2016 13:23:55 GMT
The words are brillig and do gyre and gimble in the wabe. Beware the Jabberwok my son.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 13:23:59 GMT
The words are brillig and do gyre and gimble in the wabe. You slithey tove!
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Post by quinmm14 on May 1, 2016 13:37:53 GMT
I think we should all go do a few bong hits and then come back to this thread. It will make more sense and everyone will be in a better mood. That would be useful in helping to enlighten my understanding. Your place at maybe 7ish this evening?
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eggypeggy
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Post by eggypeggy on May 1, 2016 13:42:44 GMT
The OP lost me from the get-go but was going to engage and try to understand then the words of Winston Churchill came to mind:
Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it.
I just accepted I'm fallen through the looking glass and that's enough for me.
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 1, 2016 13:47:16 GMT
There is a difference between interpretation and deciphering.
Our greatest philosophers in history certainly had a way with words. They used commonly understood language in a way that most people could understand.
That said, their words and ideas continue to challenge our minds through the infinite amount of ways we can interpret them. Interpret them---not decipher. It doesn't matter how deep of a thinker you are, if you can't communicate with your fellow beings, you will not be heard. If a thought or feeling occurs in your head, it can't exist outside that realm without clear verbal or written communication.
I guess I will try to indulge. If we talking big universe crap:
1. The unknowable absolute truth 2. Our continuum of perceptions and personal interpretations 3. The antithesis of the absolute truth. Again, unknowable.
If we are talking day to day minutia, I guess I'd answer this differently.
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Post by imsirius on May 1, 2016 13:51:40 GMT
I guess my thinking isn't deep enough...I have no idea what the OP wants or says. Is she from another planet? Thank you Elaine for your sensible post. I'm not fluent in fancy pants....drunkenese yes, but not fancy pants.
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Post by purplebee on May 1, 2016 14:01:25 GMT
I have read many of op's "new age-y" threads and usually come away scratching my head and saying "huh?" I know that she has the right to post her questions and comments in a way that makes sense/resonates with her own communication style. But having to decipher surely puts a large group of this pea world off and stops any reasonable discussion about what could be any number of interesting topics.
Op, I really DO want to interact with you, but you usually just leave me confused about what you are asking/discussing/wanting.
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 1, 2016 15:11:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 15:15:39 GMT
I'd argue that your premise is flawed from the start:
Given the structure you've provided, I'd put opinion in the middle as number two, and belief and fact as the two ends: 1. Belief: an idea felt to be true but not based in any tangible evidence. 2. Opinion: an idea felt to be true, but based on personal interpretation of the situation and available evidence. 3. Fact: undisputed truth that can be objectively verified.
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Post by melanell on May 1, 2016 15:37:43 GMT
There are new age forums out there that I think might be more fulfilling for you. The audiences are comprised of like-minded readers. Overall, I would definitely agree with you. However, sometimes I get the feeling from people that they want to always appear to be very different from everyone else in a group. Whether they wish to seem better or just unique, or if they are just looking for attention, I don't know, but definitely that they want to repeatedly point out that they are different in one, some, or many ways. And while that may not be their intention, it is how their behavior on this board or in real life comes across to me. So, if that truly is the case (and I don't think that some of these folks would admit it even if it were true) then they may actually find it more fulfilling to be with people who do seem confused by them.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2016 16:40:31 GMT
OhMyGosh!!!!! YES!!! Exactly!!
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Post by grinningcat on May 1, 2016 16:40:38 GMT
What. The. Fuck? Seriously OP, you are neither deep or enlightened. You're seriously fucked up. You have no grasp on reality, let alone what it takes to have a civilized conversation. You can't just take words and change their meaning or give them feelings... that's bullshit poppycock. No wonder you can't relate to anyone and are having difficulties at home, getting a job, having friends, or even just having a discussion here.
Pull your head out of your ass and wake up. All your issues have one thing in common... YOU. Fix that and maybe there can be conversation.
For the record, to many people the word "truthiness" means everything other than truth. To many, it's a word that was made up for stupid people to sound intelligent while defending their bullshit that is anything but the truth.
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Post by J u l e e on May 1, 2016 16:46:21 GMT
There are new age forums out there that I think might be more fulfilling for you. The audiences are comprised of like-minded readers. Overall, I would definitely agree with you. However, sometimes I get the feeling from people that they want to always appear to be very different from everyone else in a group. Whether they wish to seem better or just unique, or if they are just looking for attention, I don't know, but definitely that they want to repeatedly point out that they are different in one, some, or many ways. And while that may not be their intention, it is how their behavior on this board or in real life comes across to me. So, if that truly is the case (and I don't think that some of these folks would admit it even if it were true) then they may actually find it more fulfilling to be with people who do seem confused by them. Or, quite possibly, people who are able to clearly convey their deep thoughts are not what she's looking for. And even more possible, they have as little patience as we do attempting to have a deep and MEANINGFUL conversation with her.
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Post by SabrinaM on May 1, 2016 17:59:53 GMT
No one can answer you properly if you can't agree to the actual definition of words in the common language we're all using. I suspect this is the problem she is having with someone else, and trying here to validate her argument I don't argue with people, but if I have a challenging day I go home and paint my nails. I don't make a diagram and obsess about it.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on May 1, 2016 18:02:21 GMT
There are new age forums out there that I think might be more fulfilling for you. The audiences are comprised of like-minded readers. Overall, I would definitely agree with you. However, sometimes I get the feeling from people that they want to always appear to be very different from everyone else in a group. Whether they wish to seem better or just unique, or if they are just looking for attention, I don't know, but definitely that they want to repeatedly point out that they are different in one, some, or many ways. And while that may not be their intention, it is how their behavior on this board or in real life comes across to me. So, if that truly is the case (and I don't think that some of these folks would admit it even if it were true) then they may actually find it more fulfilling to be with people who do seem confused by them. I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Post by joelise on May 1, 2016 18:14:19 GMT
I don't understand this thread but I read it to my partner. He got it straight away and said 1) opinion 2) argument 3) fact
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Post by joelise on May 1, 2016 18:19:01 GMT
I don't understand this thread but I read it to my partner. He got it straight away and said 1) opinion 2) argument 3) fact
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Post by BlueDiamond on May 1, 2016 19:59:16 GMT
mymindseyedpea, your example of opinion and fact and something in between doesn't sit right with me. Not every word fits into that 3 step categorization. There's fact, and there's not fact. Not really anything else in between. Kinda like alive and dead. Now, don't start posting quotes from Princes Bride, people ... you know what I mean!!! If you think about it, that middle ground between two words would be infinite, whereas the two words would be 100% at each end. Reminds me of The Fault In Our Stars: some infinities are bigger than other infinities. My simple example: a comforter on a bed. The two ends would be on the bed (100%) and off the bed (100%). That middle ground, though, is one of those infinities. Could be 1% on the bed, 99% off. Or 1.5% on the bed, 98.5% off. Etc, etc. Some things are just black and white, and some things aren't.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 20:55:57 GMT
mymindseyedpea, your example of opinion and fact and something in between doesn't sit right with me. Not every word fits into that 3 step categorization. There's fact, and there's not fact. Not really anything else in between. Kinda like alive and dead. Now, don't start posting quotes from Princes Bride, people ... you know what I mean!!! If you think about it, that middle ground between two words would be infinite, whereas the two words would be 100% at each end. Reminds me of The Fault In Our Stars: some infinities are bigger than other infinities. My simple example: a comforter on a bed. The two ends would be on the bed (100%) and off the bed (100%). That middle ground, though, is one of those infinities. Could be 1% on the bed, 99% off. Or 1.5% on the bed, 98.5% off. Etc, etc. Some things are just black and white, and some things aren't. To me there is a third part to life and death: Birth That percent thing is interesting though.
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Post by BlueDiamond on May 1, 2016 21:00:27 GMT
mymindseyedpea - but I didn't say life and death, I said alive and dead. Being alive and being dead. There is no other option. I agree, that birth is the opposite of death, and that life is in between. But that's not what I said. You can't be partially alive or partially dead. It's either one or the other.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 21:04:19 GMT
I'd argue that your premise is flawed from the start: Given the structure you've provided, I'd put opinion in the middle as number two, and belief and fact as the two ends: 1. Belief: an idea felt to be true but not based in any tangible evidence. 2. Opinion: an idea felt to be true, but based on personal interpretation of the situation and available evidence. 3. Fact: undisputed truth that can be objectively verified. It's because the structure I use is about where 3 of the elements are located. The air is above, the water is below and the earth is between or in other words on the surface. So I associate air for #1 earth for #2 and water for #3 So for your answers I would personally put them in this order: 1. Opinion 2. Fact 3. Belief That doesn't mean I think your order is wrong. I'm just showing you how I see it.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on May 1, 2016 21:12:36 GMT
mymindseyedpea - but I didn't say life and death, I said alive and dead. Being alive and being dead. There is no other option. I agree, that birth is the opposite of death, and that life is in between. But that's not what I said. You can't be partially alive or partially dead. It's either one or the other. you can be only mostly dead Sorry. Couldn't help it.
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Post by BlueDiamond on May 1, 2016 21:14:46 GMT
@yubon Peatlejuice - didn't you read my first post? NO QUOTING PRINCESS BRIDE
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 21:22:26 GMT
mymindseyedpea - but I didn't say life and death, I said alive and dead. Being alive and being dead. There is no other option. I agree, that birth is the opposite of death, and that life is in between. But that's not what I said. You can't be partially alive or partially dead. It's either one or the other. Alive or dead would be a duality to me. 2 experiences that are seperate. Black or white, light or dark, yes or no, right or wrong... etc Siding with one and being against the other. I don't feel any harmony in that. Whether it exists or not I feel comfortable with some wiggle room. So I choose to look at this experience like: In order for one to be alive they have had to of been born at some point. And in order for one to be dead they have had to of been alive at some point. So birth, life and death. In order for one of those experiences to occur there has to exist the other 2. No either or. That's what resonates with me. m.facebook.com/Avenuesofresonance/photos/a.963991896993496.1073741828.962992890426730/1050941261631892/?type=3&source=48
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Post by BlueDiamond on May 1, 2016 21:45:15 GMT
mymindseyedpea - but I didn't say life and death, I said alive and dead. Being alive and being dead. There is no other option. I agree, that birth is the opposite of death, and that life is in between. But that's not what I said. You can't be partially alive or partially dead. It's either one or the other. Alive or dead would be a duality to me. 2 experiences that are seperate. Black or white, light or dark, yes or no, right or wrong... etc Siding with one and being against the other. I don't feel any harmony in that. Whether it exists or not I feel comfortable with some wiggle room. So I choose to look at this experience like: In order for one to be alive they have had to of been born at some point. And in order for one to be dead they have had to of been alive at some point. So birth, life and death. In order for one of those experiences to occur there has to exist the other 2. No either or. That's what resonates with me. m.facebook.com/Avenuesofresonance/photos/a.963991896993496.1073741828.962992890426730/1050941261631892/?type=3&source=48Two separate conversations. I agree, that between birth and death, there is life. Just like my example of the bed. But talking about being alive and being dead is much different than talking about birth, life, and death. The former is either or. The latter has all that stuff in between.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 22:15:47 GMT
Alive or dead would be a duality to me. 2 experiences that are seperate. Black or white, light or dark, yes or no, right or wrong... etc Siding with one and being against the other. I don't feel any harmony in that. Whether it exists or not I feel comfortable with some wiggle room. So I choose to look at this experience like: In order for one to be alive they have had to of been born at some point. And in order for one to be dead they have had to of been alive at some point. So birth, life and death. In order for one of those experiences to occur there has to exist the other 2. No either or. That's what resonates with me. m.facebook.com/Avenuesofresonance/photos/a.963991896993496.1073741828.962992890426730/1050941261631892/?type=3&source=48Two separate conversations. I agree, that between birth and death, there is life. Just like my example of the bed. But talking about being alive and being dead is much different than talking about birth, life, and death. The former is either or. The latter has all that stuff in between. Well this kind of shocked me: I just googled the difference between duality and polarity and up pops all these new agey sites: www.google.com/search?q=the+difference+between+duality+and+polarity&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safariI just don't get how it fits in with that. As if exploring the difference between those 2 words is coming from an "enlightenment" or something. Even though I resonate at least with the first website I clicked on so far, I really don't get how it's not logical. ( assuming new age stuff is nothing but illogical )
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Post by anaterra on May 1, 2016 22:37:36 GMT
So OP are you done with BlueDiamond and her input??? You quoted but never properly rebutted... if thats how it works... Many previous posters have mentioned thus is a new agey topic or concept... why are you shocked???
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Post by mymindseyedpea on May 1, 2016 22:49:49 GMT
So OP are you done with BlueDiamond and her input??? You quoted but never properly rebutted... if thats how it works... Many previous posters have mentioned thus is a new agey topic or concept... why are you shocked??? I didn't feel like there was any rebutting needed. I was just meaning in relation to her post about the duality ( or whatever word fits logically to it ) and polarity ( sub it with logical word ) being 2 different conversations I decided to google it and didn't get how the first page with the results are new agey. And yes I know others mentioned it as new agey but I didn't see how. And as I read the websites about it I still don't see how it is. But if logic resonates with duality, then I can see how this polarity idea could go beyond it then. I'm not sure if it does though, or if anyone would agree with that.
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