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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 6, 2016 23:28:05 GMT
I agree. And no I am not a supporter or voting for him Me either. Funny, I had either at the end of that sentence and didn't want it to read you either, but I guess I could have left it there
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Post by Merge on Jun 6, 2016 23:59:56 GMT
Stating an opinion that you think there would be riots, is not calling for riots. With all of the riots we've experienced lately when people don't like something, it's an opinion based on experience. I find it really stretching to say the riots are Trumps fault. People are rioting because they want to and they are making the choice to. He is not telling them to, he is not directing them to, he is not causing it. If he was directing it, causing it or making them then the riots would be at the other candidates events, not his own. Funny how, just a week or two ago, people on the right were falling all over themselves to crucify Bernie because he hadn't done anything to stop the protests supposedly staged by his supporters, instead of placing the blame on the supporters themselves.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 7, 2016 0:10:38 GMT
I find it really stretching to say the riots are Trumps fault. People are rioting because they want to and they are making the choice to. He is not telling them to, he is not directing them to, he is not causing it. If he was directing it, causing it or making them then the riots would be at the other candidates events, not his own. Funny how, just a week or two ago, people on the right were falling all over themselves to crucify Bernie because he hadn't done anything to stop the protests supposedly staged by his supporters, instead of placing the blame on the supporters themselves. Exactly. Or the admonishment that HC was behind the recent violence last week at Trumps rally. I said "close enough" I get the digs you're taking at me too Gia. Trump is SUGGESTING the riots/that his supporters are going to riot if he's not elected.
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Post by PaperAngel on Jun 7, 2016 0:26:28 GMT
The reasons to support a certain candidate are now reversed among the two major party members. While experience didn't matter & "hope" & "change" were concepts Democrats supported during the 2008 election, those same people are now claiming inexperience is dangerous & "making America great" is merely a concept without substance; Republicans argue(d) the opposite. As an independent, I'm disappointed with the options. IMHO a Clinton vs. Trump election would confirm our country has "gone to hell in a handbasket."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 1:10:56 GMT
I find it really stretching to say the riots are Trumps fault. People are rioting because they want to and they are making the choice to. He is not telling them to, he is not directing them to, he is not causing it. If he was directing it, causing it or making them then the riots would be at the other candidates events, not his own. Funny how, just a week or two ago, people on the right were falling all over themselves to crucify Bernie because he hadn't done anything to stop the protests supposedly staged by his supporters, instead of placing the blame on the supporters themselves. That wasn't me and my statement stands. Stating an opinion that you think there would be riots, is not calling for riots. With all of the riots we've experienced lately when people don't like something, it's an opinion based on experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 1:17:46 GMT
Funny how, just a week or two ago, people on the right were falling all over themselves to crucify Bernie because he hadn't done anything to stop the protests supposedly staged by his supporters, instead of placing the blame on the supporters themselves. Exactly. Or the admonishment that HC was behind the recent violence last week at Trumps rally. I said "close enough" I get the digs you're taking at me too Gia. Trump is SUGGESTING the riots/that his supporters are going to riot if he's not elected. I didn't make any admonishment or claim that Hillary was behind that. I also made no digs at you, it was a very cut and dried statement that I stand behind. Saying you think there could be riots, with the knowledge of all the riots lately is not requesting that people riot. It's merely acknowledging the way idiots react to things lately.
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Post by Merge on Jun 7, 2016 1:28:06 GMT
Funny how, just a week or two ago, people on the right were falling all over themselves to crucify Bernie because he hadn't done anything to stop the protests supposedly staged by his supporters, instead of placing the blame on the supporters themselves. That wasn't me and my statement stands. Stating an opinion that you think there would be riots, is not calling for riots. With all of the riots we've experienced lately when people don't like something, it's an opinion based on experience. I suggest you go back and review some of Trump's statements catalogued in this article from March.Telling people to riot? Not in so many words. Telling people that he approves of hitting, of throwing protesters out on their ear, that he'll pay the legal fees of anyone who "knocks the hell out of" a protestor. He's obviously skirting just short of the kind of language that would have him legally held liable, but it's a very wink-wink-nudge-nudge kind of incitement.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2016 1:31:34 GMT
Trump doesn't need to outright ask for riots to be obliquely encouraging them. He has suggested that if the nomination is taken away from him at the convention, riots will ensue. That is certainly encouragement.
Do you know the story of St. Thomas a Becket and King Henry II? The king said, "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?" When some of his followers took him at his word and murdered the Archbishop, he acted all innocent and surprised, and claimed he'd never intended such a thing to happen.
Donald Trump reminds me of Henry II. A lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 1:31:52 GMT
Exactly. Or the admonishment that HC was behind the recent violence last week at Trumps rally. I said "close enough" I get the digs you're taking at me too Gia. Trump is SUGGESTING the riots/that his supporters are going to riot if he's not elected. I didn't make any admonishment or claim that Hillary was behind that. I also made no digs at you, it was a very cut and dried statement that I stand behind. Saying you think there could be riots, with the knowledge of all the riots lately is not requesting that people riot. It's merely acknowledging the way idiots react to things lately. Just wanted to add that I'm seriously just having a normal, adult conversation. I wish we could do that without getting defensive with each other. I think that's where it goes off the rails.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 7, 2016 2:49:45 GMT
I didn't make any admonishment or claim that Hillary was behind that. I also made no digs at you, it was a very cut and dried statement that I stand behind. Saying you think there could be riots, with the knowledge of all the riots lately is not requesting that people riot. It's merely acknowledging the way idiots react to things lately. Just wanted to add that I'm seriously just having a normal, adult conversation. I wish we could do that without getting defensive with each other. I think that's where it goes off the rails. I'm trying to do the same, but feel picked on at every turn for things I post that are relevant. You post little digs insulting me, and I'm certainly going to respond. Trump is a shit stirrer through and through, and it's been pretty clear among the media that he eggs on his supporters. m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56eeb303e4b09bf44a9d83ed
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Jun 7, 2016 8:39:23 GMT
Trump doesn't need to outright ask for riots to be obliquely encouraging them. He has suggested that if the nomination is taken away from him at the convention, riots will ensue. That is certainly encouragement. Do you know the story of St. Thomas a Becket and King Henry II? The king said, "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?" When some of his followers took him at his word and murdered the Archbishop, he acted all innocent and surprised, and claimed he'd never intended such a thing to happen. Donald Trump reminds me of Henry II. A lot. Those who forget the lessons delivered up by history are doomed to repeat them. Not to go off on too much of a tangent or become a target, but some of the stuff happening in the USA is like the scary stuff we in SA lived through and which re-surfaces from time to time. Specifically: People in office/ seeking office who should not be in charge of anything whatsoever, not even for 5 minutes; megalomania, cover-ups and incitement to violence. The world has gone mad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 19:30:50 GMT
Just wanted to add that I'm seriously just having a normal, adult conversation. I wish we could do that without getting defensive with each other. I think that's where it goes off the rails. I'm trying to do the same, but feel picked on at every turn for things I post that are relevant. You post little digs insulting me, and I'm certainly going to respond. Trump is a shit stirrer through and through, and it's been pretty clear among the media that he eggs on his supporters. m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56eeb303e4b09bf44a9d83edI'm sorry what I said made you feel picked on, that wasn't my intent and I really wasn't posting digs. I really do believe it's a stretch to say that Trump is "requesting riots" when he acknowledges what has been the go to response when the people feel wronged. And I do believe that insisting that he is requesting riots, does undermine the credibility of anyone saying it. That isn't a dig, it's what I believe. I think you would feel the same way if people were insisting Hillary was requesting people to make enemies of the Right because of what she said and how proud she was of doing so, etc. You and I have been on the same side many times before, particularly with a certain troll who isn't here anymore and I want to say again... I'm sorry what I said in any way made you feel picked on, that wasn't my intent and I really wasn't posting digs. I do understand you feeling that way though. Every time people on the Right (that isn't always the case, but I don't know how else to categorize them) post on certain threads, (not just political) certain people will challenge them in an antagonistic way. I've been in that line of fire and sometimes I go right along with it and fire back and sometimes that carries over into the way I approach a different conversation and I come out being the bad guy. I used to keep my attitude in check when it wasn't warranted and even when it was and I'll certainly have to watch my delivery and not let those old "battles" affect my delivery. We have to be able to discuss things we disagree on without it being a battle. These days when I read an article, because of the Peas I'm often able to see it from the "other side" and sometimes find myself questioning from that point of view. I've even had my opinion changed on certain things because of facts presented here. Again, sorry that I had any part in making you feel picked on.
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