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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 22:39:37 GMT
 I guess that applies to the 1st amendment too and your freedom of speech doesn't apply to the internet, telephone or TV? When facts are presented to you, you just refuse to hear what is being said to you. You just want to keep repeating MILITARY and BAN and refuse to hear WHY people disagree. And WHY it would be INEFFECTIVE in accomplishing your goal. When you bring in non-relevant things to a discussion, it makes the discussion so all over the place. We are not speaking about the 1st, only the 2nd. It's completely relevant to your claim that the 2nd doesn't apply to modern weapons. If that's the case, the 1st doesn't apply to modern forms of communication. Do you see why it's ridiculous now? Do you see how it's relevant now? That's just it, it's not my version. It's just the way it is. It's like you're arguing that the Earth is flat and me telling you it's round "is just my version". Somehow you're not hearing that banning those "military weapons" (they're not btw, but that's another thread entirely) because they shoot too quickly, still leaves the weapons you're okay with, THAT SHOOT AT EXACTLY THE SAME RATE OF SPEED. I'm not shouting I'm making sure you don't miss it this time. Stating facts is not shutting you down, it's giving you facts to make an informed opinion. No matter how many times you say it, the earth is NOT flat. GENERAL US? Other people are getting it. Even Merge has said a couple of times now that she understands the issue. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 23, 2016 23:10:32 GMT
Whatever it takes to prevent tyranny and destruction of this country and our freedoms. It's sad that so many would simply give their freedoms away so easily after so many died defending them. It's like spitting on their graves. Me not being able to own a 50cal machine gun is not spitting on the grave of a soldier from the American Revolutions grave. You have said something like this before. In the past 100 years which war was defending your rights to own a gun? What is sad is that you think a citizen of the United States needs a 50 caliber machine gun to prevent tyranny and destruction on this country. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 23, 2016 23:52:39 GMT
Me not being able to own a 50cal machine gun is not spitting on the grave of a soldier from the American Revolutions grave. You have said something like this before. In the past 100 years which war was defending your rights to own a gun? What is sad is that you think a citizen of the United States needs a 50 caliber machine gun to prevent tyranny and destruction on this country. Democracy isn't tyranny. The (scare tactic) claims that "tyranny is lurking right around the corner" are just that--tactics meant to frighten people. I would venture a pretty good guess that outside of radical's, most do not believe that any tyranny is lurking. We are a disenfranchised democracy; people have lost faith that our "democracy" actually works. The debate on gun control (or not) is not landslide to any one side in voting at a Congressional level, however in talking to others it seems like a no brainer that it needs to be fixed. our elected officials have either gone batshit crazy or have lost touch with the people they represent, and instead are in the "pay-to-play" group bought and paid for by the NRA, there is no denying that fact. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 23, 2016 23:59:52 GMT
I'm not going to give a definition because proficiency means different things to different people. I don't know anyone who carries who hasn't had some sort of private/professional training/practice. Also, this is a military town, so there is that. No shortage of handsome and buff guys at the range to help a gal out.  No kidding it does. That is why I asked YOU what it means to you. In the military 23 out of 40. Those soldiers are training for a war and all shooting at the enemy. Now 23 out of 40, which is 57.5%, in my neighborhood is NOT proficient to me. Still trying to figure out why you are not answering this question. What is the big deal? |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 0:05:28 GMT
rainbow, i just want to know where this lifestyle choice to live in fear of some so-called tyrrany stems from. Were you raised that way? What makes you believe that this is a real and present danger? I've never ever met anyone in my life that thinks that way, and it's so far removed from my way of thinking that I really havea hard time wrapping my mind around it. No snark, I really just don't get it.  |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 0:11:58 GMT
What is sad is that our forefathers knew it would happen one day and we are closer than ever to tyranny today. It is a shame that the checks and balances that are needed to prevent tyranny are looked at by some as a hindrance. Democracy isn't tyranny. The (scare tactic) claims that "tyranny is lurking right around the corner" are just that--tactics meant to frighten people. I would venture a pretty good guess that outside of radical's, most do not believe that any tyranny is lurking. We are a disenfranchised democracy; people have lost faith that our "democracy" actually works. The debate on gun control (or not) is not landslide to any one side in voting at a Congressional level, however in talking to others it seems like a no brainer that it needs to be fixed. our elected officials have either gone batshit crazy or have lost touch with the people they represent, and instead are in the "pay-to-play" group bought and paid for by the NRA, there is no denying that fact. |
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Post by jayfab on Jun 24, 2016 0:51:15 GMT
Democracy isn't tyranny. The (scare tactic) claims that "tyranny is lurking right around the corner" are just that--tactics meant to frighten people. I would venture a pretty good guess that outside of radical's, most do not believe that any tyranny is lurking. We are a disenfranchised democracy; people have lost faith that our "democracy" actually works. The debate on gun control (or not) is not landslide to any one side in voting at a Congressional level, however in talking to others it seems like a no brainer that it needs to be fixed. our elected officials have either gone batshit crazy or have lost touch with the people they represent, and instead are in the "pay-to-play" group bought and paid for by the NRA, there is no denying that fact. Well they must be joining the NRA with those free memberships given out, because they sure aren't paying for them. NRA Tax Filing Shows Membership Revenues Dropped by $47 Million |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 1:01:35 GMT
The left is looking to gut the second amendment. After that we lose everything. It's only a vote away. That is right around the corner. I'm so thankful that there are awakened Americans that are joining the NRA in droves, so many that they can barely keep up with the orders. We will not give up this right - ever. You'll have to pry my weapon from my cold dead hands. This is no joke. I'm very serious. I'm not some hysterical radical. I'm an American who gives a damn. Well they must be joining the NRA with those free memberships given out, because they sure aren't paying for them. NRA Tax Filing Shows Membership Revenues Dropped by $47 Million |
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Post by lumo on Jun 24, 2016 1:41:07 GMT
rainbow, i just want to know where this lifestyle choice to live in fear of some so-called tyrrany stems from. Were you raised that way? What makes you believe that this is a real and present danger? I've never ever met anyone in my life that thinks that way, and it's so far removed from my way of thinking that I really havea hard time wrapping my mind around it. No snark, I really just don't get it. Well, okay, but that still didn't really answer my questions. Were you raised this way? What is it specifically that makes you truly believe tyranny is inevitable? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 24, 2016 2:27:18 GMT
Democracy isn't tyranny. The (scare tactic) claims that "tyranny is lurking right around the corner" are just that--tactics meant to frighten people. I would venture a pretty good guess that outside of radical's, most do not believe that any tyranny is lurking. We are a disenfranchised democracy; people have lost faith that our "democracy" actually works. The debate on gun control (or not) is not landslide to any one side in voting at a Congressional level, however in talking to others it seems like a no brainer that it needs to be fixed. our elected officials have either gone batshit crazy or have lost touch with the people they represent, and instead are in the "pay-to-play" group bought and paid for by the NRA, there is no denying that fact. Paranoid, radical, propaganda speak. "You'll have to pry my weapon from my cold dead hands. This is no joke. I'm very serious." "I'm not some hysterical radical." Says no sane person ever. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 2:33:04 GMT
The left is looking to gut the second amendment. After that we lose everything. It's only a vote away. That is right around the corner. I'm so thankful that there are awakened Americans that are joining the NRA in droves, so many that they can barely keep up with the orders. We will not give up this right - ever. You'll have to pry my weapon from my cold dead hands. This is no joke. I'm very serious. I'm not some hysterical radical. I'm an American who gives a damn. Paranoid, radical, propaganda speak. "You'll have to pry my weapon from my cold dead hands. This is no joke. I'm very serious." "I'm not some hysterical radical." Says no sane person ever. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 2:35:37 GMT
People sometimes don't want to see it, or admit that it's happening, or they like the way things are going so they just let it happen because things are going the way they want them to so they think it's OK. If the shoe were on the other foot I'm sure you'd see the light PDQ. Well, okay, but that still didn't really answer my questions. Were you raised this way? What is it specifically that makes you truly believe tyranny is inevitable? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 24, 2016 2:45:41 GMT
Paranoid, radical, propaganda speak. "You'll have to pry my weapon from my cold dead hands. This is no joke. I'm very serious." "I'm not some hysterical radical." Says no sane person ever. You opinion. |
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Post by lumo on Jun 24, 2016 2:46:26 GMT
Well, okay, but that still didn't really answer my questions. Were you raised this way? What is it specifically that makes you truly believe tyranny is inevitable? But that's your opinion. It's not fact. I also know what's right and wrong. But my right and wrong are different from yours...and that's okay. It doesn't mean tyranny. It just means a difference of opinion. The things I find wrong with this country -- and there are a number -- just don't cause me to make the leap to tyranny. To me, that's a mighty big leap. But just because I don't reach that conclusion doesn't make me wrong or immoral or whatever else. I think it just makes me...not an alarmist, maybe? I certainly don't feel like I need to arm myself to the teeth. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 24, 2016 2:52:45 GMT
Well, okay, but that still didn't really answer my questions. Were you raised this way? What is it specifically that makes you truly believe tyranny is inevitable? This is, of course, a rhetorical question, but I wonder why it is that we (global we) look at the same information and come to vastly different interpretations of that same information. It kind of struck me this week as I was visiting family who are all pretty much serious gun owners. Even they didn't feel the country is going bad (okay, one *might* but kept it to themselves if they did) and they have 'skin in the game' so to speak. These are people who live out in the country and have no trouble telling you that they are armed for protection from man and beast (long time police response and to be frank it is the south where guns are not looked at as a bad thing by a large portion of the population.) But they don't think the world is falling apart-they are also proud patriotic men and women who see the world changing (sometimes in confusing ways for them) and Lord knows they will wax poetic about how they view the government, but they don't see tyranny around every corner. So I spent a few minutes on the way home pondering why people interpret the same information in such vastly different ways. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 3:01:21 GMT
Everybody has one. 
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 3:07:02 GMT
Raised this way? No. Specifically? The trashing of the constitution and our rights as often as people can get away with it. I know what's right and I know what's wrong, and the way this country is going is wrong. But that's your opinion. It's not fact. I also know what's right and wrong. But my right and wrong are different from yours...and that's okay. It doesn't mean tyranny. It just means a difference of opinion. The things I find wrong with this country -- and there are a number -- just don't cause me to make the leap to tyranny. To me, that's a mighty big leap. But just because I don't reach that conclusion doesn't make me wrong or immoral or whatever else. I think it just makes me...not an alarmist, maybe? I certainly don't feel like I need to arm myself to the teeth. |
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Post by lumo on Jun 24, 2016 3:21:35 GMT
But that's your opinion. It's not fact. I also know what's right and wrong. But my right and wrong are different from yours...and that's okay. It doesn't mean tyranny. It just means a difference of opinion. The things I find wrong with this country -- and there are a number -- just don't cause me to make the leap to tyranny. To me, that's a mighty big leap. But just because I don't reach that conclusion doesn't make me wrong or immoral or whatever else. I think it just makes me...not an alarmist, maybe? I certainly don't feel like I need to arm myself to the teeth. Actually, in the state where I live, things aren't going the way I'd like -- very much the opposite. But that doesn't make me feel like I need to run out and arm myself. It does, however, encourage me to vote, and to volunteer for my candidates of choice, and to donate to causes I support. Which, to me, seems a far more rational response. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 3:33:09 GMT
You're comfortable because things are going the way you want them to. Wait until someone else is in power and then things are in a forced direction that you feel is clearly wrong and in a very big way. You might feel quite differently. And there is always the "I never saw it coming" crowd. Maybe that's you? I don't know. Some of us are always watching. We know what is happening, and it isn't good. Actually, in the state where I live, things aren't going the way I'd like -- very much the opposite. But that doesn't make me feel like I need to run out and arm myself. It does, however, encourage me to vote, and to volunteer for my candidates of choice, and to donate to causes I support. Which, to me, seems a far more rational response. |
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Post by lumo on Jun 24, 2016 3:36:19 GMT
Actually, in the state where I live, things aren't going the way I'd like -- very much the opposite. But that doesn't make me feel like I need to run out and arm myself. It does, however, encourage me to vote, and to volunteer for my candidates of choice, and to donate to causes I support. Which, to me, seems a far more rational response. I highly, highly doubt that. You're exhausting. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 24, 2016 3:42:31 GMT
Maybe you aren't aware then, of how bad things really are. Maybe you will be one of the ones to say you never saw it coming. I highly, highly doubt that. You're exhausting. |
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Post by elaine on Jun 24, 2016 3:42:50 GMT
Maybe you aren't aware then, of how bad things really are. Maybe you will be one of the ones to say you never saw it coming. I highly, highly doubt that. You're exhausting. Reality Check - things aren't really that bad. This conversation reminds me of the ones I had with my mom who stockpiled a year's worth of food and supplies because she was convinced the civilized world would end when the clock ticked to 12:01 a.m. 1/1/2000. She had a ton of crap to get rid of after she realized that bedlam wasn't going to be set loose and that the world wasn't ending. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 3:47:00 GMT
Rainbow is a troll
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I guess that applies to the 1st amendment too and your freedom of speech doesn't apply to the internet, telephone or TV? 
