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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 1:08:15 GMT
I'm watching the DNC and listening to all the good things they want for America and while I would love some of their ideas to come to fruition, I wonder how are we paying for it?
These programs, ideas, and wants will cost so much money. We are already in debt. We already spend so much, where does this extra money come from? Have they said? I mean other than raising taxes on the 1%?
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Post by paget on Jul 27, 2016 1:16:29 GMT
You're not supposed to think about that part! It's ok if "someone else" is footing the bill. At least she has plans. I'll give her that.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 27, 2016 1:18:12 GMT
We can't pay for it, unfortunately. The money just isn't there and our debt keeps rising.
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Post by mom on Jul 27, 2016 1:22:20 GMT
We cannot afford it. We are over-extended as it is.
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Post by mom on Jul 27, 2016 1:23:02 GMT
You're not supposed to think about that part! It's ok if "someone else" is footing the bill. At least she has plans. I'll give her that. This is so true. Who cares who is paying for it as long as I get my "x" for free.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 1:24:56 GMT
Pay for it? You mean it's not all free?
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Post by raindancer on Jul 27, 2016 1:30:36 GMT
The Republican party is just as bad at promising things we don't have money for.
It's such a game.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 1:34:23 GMT
The Republican party is just as bad at promising things we don't have money for. It's such a game. I'm not saying they don't. That doesn't mean I don't wonder how you pay for all of this. For instance, affordable daycare. Great cause. But we also want to pay our daycare workers more. So where does the money come from. More affordable post secondary education...great cause. How do we do that? We can't fund k-13 education adequately, how do we extend that?
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Post by scrapngranny on Jul 27, 2016 1:36:36 GMT
You don't need to worry about paying for anything either party proposes because the House and Senate will make sure to block anything with partisan voting. That is pretty much why campaign speeches are worthless.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 1:39:53 GMT
You don't need to worry about paying for anything either party proposes because the House and Senate will make sure to block anything with partisan voting. That is pretty much why campaign speeches are worthless. how sad is that? We either have both Congress and president of the same party and they shove everything through with no thought to the other party. Or they are opposite parties and they vote against the other party just to vote against them. I want to vote for people who will work together and compromise. Want a wall on the border? Logistically not going to happen, but hey maybe we can beef up patrols, give the border guards more funds and training and something else.
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Post by peasapie on Jul 27, 2016 1:50:50 GMT
You don't need to worry about paying for anything either party proposes because the House and Senate will make sure to block anything with partisan voting. That is pretty much why campaign speeches are worthless. how sad is that? We either have both Congress and president of the same party and they shove everything through with no thought to the other party. Or they are opposite parties and they vote against the other party just to vote against them. I want to vote for people who will work together and compromise. Want a wall on the border? Logistically not going to happen, but hey maybe we can beef up patrols, give the border guards more funds and training and something else. Exactly. It's like the high school student council candidates promising free ice cream every Friday. Both sides promise a bunch of BS they know they can't do. It's time for a true and viable third party that can weigh in and cause both sides to come to a consensus.
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Post by ntsf on Jul 27, 2016 1:51:09 GMT
if all the other highly developed countries in the world have child care, health care, etc. we can do it too. we can tax ourselves and pay for it. we have the biggest economic engine in the world. heck..cut the military bands in half. somehow do we need an army larger than all other combine? we need to rethink what we are spending money on. maybe if we had medicare for all..it would save all that money spent on profit.
we can pay for it if we are willing to make sure all americans have a certain level of support.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 1:54:43 GMT
I think political speeches/promises are just the candidates best case scenario if they could have their way. The reality is they have to get it past several layers of government first and often what results is a watered down/best we could do approach. The statement itself though tells their voters what the candidates overall philosophy is on that matter. I think voters need to know the distinction.
Take Donald's wall for example - he is telling his voters his philosophy is to shut out Mexicans. The reality doesn't mean a wall gets built but instead may result in more patrols or even a partial "wall" of some kind.
I don't even think Bernie thought free college education would happen, but that was his philosophy and maybe the end result would have instead resulted in not free, but instead less crippling debt for students.
And on that note, I do think the possibility of a free college education is possible. After all public schools are free so why can't that be extended to the college level somehow. Not saying it would be easy but the precedent of free education is not completely foreign at least. I'm assuming Donald thinks a wall is also not impossible given China has a big one that was built for the purposes of exclusion.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 2:01:38 GMT
ut the military bands in half. somehow do we need an army larger than all other combine? We are bigger than other countries. We have 3.8 million square miles. All of Europe has 3.9 million. And on that note, I do think the possibility of a free college education is possible. After all public schools are free so why can't that be extended to the college level somehow. Not saying it would be easy but the precedent of free education is not completely foreign at least. I'd rather they fund k-12 more. Also, are we also going to pay for the 1000s of different trade schools that are out there? The mechanic schools, nail techs, medical assistants or is it only for a 2 year community college degree that really doesn't teach our young adults skills for the workforce. A typical community college degree is a gen ed degree or liberal arts. It is the same stuff they took in high school, but at a higher level. I probably sound like I am only here to argue, I guess I am just trying to wrap my head around it all.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 27, 2016 2:06:11 GMT
if all the other highly developed countries in the world have child care, health care, etc. we can do it too. we can tax ourselves and pay for it. we have the biggest economic engine in the world. heck..cut the military bands in half. somehow do we need an army larger than all other combine? we need to rethink what we are spending money on. maybe if we had medicare for all..it would save all that money spent on profit. we can pay for it if we are willing to make sure all americans have a certain level of support. What happens if we have to defend ourselves? Our military has to be ready. We've already made huge military cuts. I'm not sure we could properly defend ourselves today if we are attacked.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 2:16:41 GMT
ut the military bands in half. somehow do we need an army larger than all other combine? We are bigger than other countries. We have 3.8 million square miles. All of Europe has 3.9 million. And on that note, I do think the possibility of a free college education is possible. After all public schools are free so why can't that be extended to the college level somehow. Not saying it would be easy but the precedent of free education is not completely foreign at least. I'd rather they fund k-12 more. Also, are we also going to pay for the 1000s of different trade schools that are out there? The mechanic schools, nail techs, medical assistants or is it only for a 2 year community college degree that really doesn't teach our young adults skills for the workforce. A typical community college degree is a gen ed degree or liberal arts. It is the same stuff they took in high school, but at a higher level. I probably sound like I am only here to argue, I guess I am just trying to wrap my head around it all. I understand what you're saying. For me to know the answer I'd have to set up a committee, assess the current situation, seek out the best practices, look to the future...basically what politicians should be doing
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jul 27, 2016 2:18:42 GMT
The Republican party is just as bad at promising things we don't have money for. It's such a game. I believe Trump is going to make Mexico pay for the things he promised...
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Post by raindancer on Jul 27, 2016 2:20:43 GMT
The Republican party is just as bad at promising things we don't have money for. It's such a game. I'm not saying they don't. That doesn't mean I don't wonder how you pay for all of this. For instance, affordable daycare. Great cause. But we also want to pay our daycare workers more. So where does the money come from. More affordable post secondary education...great cause. How do we do that? We can't fund k-13 education adequately, how do we extend that? We can fund those things. We choose not too. It's really not a difficult concept. It doesn't matter how you label it or which party presents it. If we wanted it we would make a choice to make it happen. We say we want to be great bit what we really mean is we want greatness and we don't want to accept any responsibility for making that happen. We show that by the absurd rate of re election of our congress, and by insisting on a two party system, and by refusing all efforts of bipartisanship at the national level. We, the people, do this to ourselves by choice.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 2:27:52 GMT
We can fund those things. We choose not too. It's really not a difficult concept. I think it actually is a difficult concept. What do you cut? What do you keep? How do you choose? What gets priority? How much do you tax? How do you tax? What happens when something costs more that was budgeted? Where does that money come form?
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Post by lindas on Jul 27, 2016 2:45:17 GMT
And on that note, I do think the possibility of a free college education is possible. After all public schools are free so why can't that be extended to the college level somehow. Not saying it would be easy but the precedent of free education is not completely foreign at least. I'm assuming Donald thinks a wall is also not impossible given China has a big one that was built for the purposes of exclusion. I don't see how it would be possible. I live in Delaware and we have several colleges here but I'll just use the Univ of DE as an example. The president has a salary of $735,000, there are 388 professors making an average of $142,000 a year plus all the associate professors, staff, etc. This is just one small college, how much are our taxes going to have to go up to pay for this because I don't think these professors are going to go for a big pay cut.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 2:56:03 GMT
I'm not saying they don't. That doesn't mean I don't wonder how you pay for all of this. For instance, affordable daycare. Great cause. But we also want to pay our daycare workers more. So where does the money come from. More affordable post secondary education...great cause. How do we do that? We can't fund k-13 education adequately, how do we extend that? We can fund those things. We choose not too. It's really not a difficult concept. It doesn't matter how you label it or which party presents it. If we wanted it we would make a choice to make it happen. W e say we want to be great bit what we really mean is we want greatness and we don't want to accept any responsibility for making that happen. We show that by the absurd rate of re election of our congress, and by insisting on a two party system, and by refusing all efforts of bipartisanship at the national level. We, the people, do this to ourselves by choice. Hold up. I want to be great and accept ALL the responsibility for it. What I don't accept is accepting the responsibility for people who want it but don't want to accept any responsibility for it. I cannot do both - I cannot provide for myself and also provide for someone who will not provide for themselves.
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Post by mom on Jul 27, 2016 3:01:49 GMT
We can fund those things. We choose not too. It's really not a difficult concept. It doesn't matter how you label it or which party presents it. If we wanted it we would make a choice to make it happen. W e say we want to be great bit what we really mean is we want greatness and we don't want to accept any responsibility for making that happen. We show that by the absurd rate of re election of our congress, and by insisting on a two party system, and by refusing all efforts of bipartisanship at the national level. We, the people, do this to ourselves by choice. Hold up. I want to be great and accept ALL the responsibility for it. What I don't accept is accepting the responsibility for people who want it but don't want to accept any responsibility for it.
I cannot do both - I cannot provide for myself and also provide for someone who will not provide for themselves.
I am literally standing up, applauding you. THIS. This is where I am.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 27, 2016 3:02:11 GMT
I'm sure the old mantra "the rich aren't paying their fair share" will be used to continue the class warfare.
49% of the people in this country pay no federal income tax whatsoever. How about we start by taxing 100% of the adults in this country. Let's limit the amount of unemployment benefits, the amount of "disability" benefits and some of the other handouts that are given to people to enable them to stay home while the rest of us support them just so they can shout "the rich aren't paying their fair share".
Maybe then, we'll have some money for these other things. Doubtful, but maybe.
Also, I don't feel that the government should be providing free day care or free college. If you choose to have a baby, it's your responsibility as the parent to pay for child care. If you choose to go to college, there are grants and loans. Choose your courses and your schools wisely and in accordance with your financial ability to pay now and in the future.
This ridiculous idea that the government (aka, those people who actually work and are taxed) should pay for people's life choices is one of the main reasons I will not vote for a Democrat. I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it; a right to do something does not mean that there is a right to have others pay for you to exercise your right.
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Post by lindas on Jul 27, 2016 3:06:12 GMT
We can fund those things. We choose not too. It's really not a difficult concept. I think it actually is a difficult concept. What do you cut? What do you keep? How do you choose? What gets priority? How much do you tax? How do you tax? What happens when something costs more that was budgeted? Where does that money come form? All very good points that no politician past or present can seem to answer.
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Post by secondlife on Jul 27, 2016 3:06:17 GMT
I would look at the effectiveness of things like corporate tax law, and then look at the cost/benefit of things like farm subsidies, transportation, IT contracts, military spending, and more. There's money that can be redirected except that everybody has their lobby now and that means things that shouldn't be protected are protected.
For things like health care, the savings of a single administration system would probably bear out a lot of the burden.
For public education, I would look at property taxes especially those paid by large businesses and developers in the community to bring in more revenue, and the elimination of SOL testing to save money without cutting services.
For higher education, I would look at expanding work-study opportunities, and promoting online learning to create opportunities for people to get a degree without having to pay for housing on campus.
And so on.
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Post by mom on Jul 27, 2016 3:06:40 GMT
If we are going to discuss personal responsibility then shouldn't we be looking for answers within ourselves vs. what the government can give us?
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Jul 27, 2016 3:07:44 GMT
And on that note, I do think the possibility of a free college education is possible. After all public schools are free so why can't that be extended to the college level somehow. Not saying it would be easy but the precedent of free education is not completely foreign at least. I'm assuming Donald thinks a wall is also not impossible given China has a big one that was built for the purposes of exclusion. I don't see how it would be possible. I live in Delaware and we have several colleges here but I'll just use the Univ of DE as an example. The president has a salary of $735,000, there are 388 professors making an average of $142,000 a year plus all the associate professors, staff, etc. This is just one small college, how much are our taxes going to have to go up to pay for this because I don't think these professors are going to go for a big pay cut. That is just wrong! That is insane! Our K-12 teachers are making way way way less and are expected to do so so so much more. And they spend so much out of their pockets for supplies and aides. College students provide that stuff for themselves, for the most part. Save
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 27, 2016 3:07:49 GMT
If we are going to discuss personal responsibility then shouldn't we be looking for answers within ourselves vs. what the government can give us? Absolutely.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 27, 2016 3:09:20 GMT
I don't see how it would be possible. I live in Delaware and we have several colleges here but I'll just use the Univ of DE as an example. The president has a salary of $735,000, there are 388 professors making an average of $142,000 a year plus all the associate professors, staff, etc. This is just one small college, how much are our taxes going to have to go up to pay for this because I don't think these professors are going to go for a big pay cut. That is just wrong! That is insane! Our K-12 teachers are making way way way less and are expected to do so so so much more. And they spend so much out of their pockets for supplies and aides. College students provide that stuff for themselves, for the most part. SaveWhat's insane is the idea that every person in America is entitled to a college education, free or otherwise.
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Post by kelly8875 on Jul 27, 2016 3:10:28 GMT
I'm sure the old mantra "the rich aren't paying their fair share" will be used to continue the class warfare. 49% of the people in this country pay no federal income tax whatsoever. How about we start by taxing 100% of the adults in this country. Let's limit the amount of unemployment benefits, the amount of "disability" benefits and some of the other handouts that are given to people to enable them to stay home while the rest of us support them just so they can shout "the rich aren't paying their fair share". Maybe then, we'll have some money for these other things. Doubtful, but maybe. Also, I don't feel that the government should be providing free day care or free college. If you choose to have a baby, it's your responsibility as the parent to pay for child care. If you choose to go to college, there are grants and loans. Choose your courses and your schools wisely and in accordance with your financial ability to pay now and in the future. This ridiculous idea that the government (aka, those people who actually work and are taxed) should pay for people's life choices is one of the main reasons I will not vote for a Democrat. I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it; a right to do something does not mean that there is a right to have others pay for you to exercise your right. AMEN!!!!!! ------ I am fully aware of who pays what for taxes, and you cannot say that the rich don't pay their share. Jesus. The tax rates for higher incomes are damn rediculous. I shouldn't be punished for working hard, with an education while others sit around collecting while doing nothing.
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