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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 13, 2016 23:10:44 GMT
Nah, the word applies to anyone, of any color, who acts like a destructive/violent criminal and I've never thought or said any differently. But, it is sad to see you jump to another topic in order to throw the "racist" label at me in some sort of pathetic attempt to demonize me because I asked why it's okay to ridicule others when they get offended about something you don't think they should be offended about. Because previously it has been the stated standard here to err on the side of caution if someone tells you something offends them, then you do your best to make sure you don't offend. You certainly don't resort to ridiculing them. Pot, kettle, etc. You are consistently offensive to many people here. I don't see you going out of your way give those people any kind of consideration. You challenged me to prove the difference between benign speech like "happy holidays" and speech that the community attempts to police. I used "thug" as an example and your response was textbook, I'm being a bitch and I will own it. You should at least do the same. You are so passive aggressive. You say shitty things and then act like you have no idea how anyone could possibly have misinterpreted whatever shitty point you're arguing to death. I'm sick of this victim spiel that the usual suspects spew. I'm sick of watching you all sling shit and then cry about how bad this place smells. You are no better than any of us. I ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ you thrice today! You are dead on right here inkedup! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 13, 2016 23:13:05 GMT
Pot, kettle, etc. You are consistently offensive to many people here. I don't see you going out of your way give those people any kind of consideration. You challenged me to prove the difference between benign speech like "happy holidays" and speech that the community attempts to police. I used "thug" as an example and your response was textbook, I'm being a bitch and I will own it. You should at least do the same. You are so passive aggressive. You say shitty things and then act like you have no idea how anyone could possibly have misinterpreted whatever shitty point you're arguing to death. I'm sick of this victim spiel that the usual suspects spew. I'm sick of watching you all sling shit and then cry about how bad this place smells. You are no better than any of us. I've been civil and respectful in my discussions. The only time people are offended by what I say is when I point the mirror back at them AFTER they resort to personal attacks and insults. Hahahahaha!! Bullshit. People are offended By you quite regularly and you run off to play victim if you're called out on it. ALWAYS. You aren't fooling anyone. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 13, 2016 23:18:51 GMT
Not sure what you think you're defending. I'm not going through all the posts to see if you contradicted yourself elsewhere. I was referring specifically to the fact that you agreed with Lauren's contention that if someone wants to be told Merry Christmas, we are being offensive if we say Happy Holidays instead (whether or not we in fact are aware of their personal preference). Wishing someone Happy Holidays in order to be inclusive of everyone, even though a few are insisting on their own faith-specific Merry Christmas, is not quite in the same arena as calling people colored when they've asked to be referred to as African-American. I already said I don't find "Happy Holidays" offensive. I said that to me, that it's always been the same as/interchangeable with Merry Christmas. Or anything else that anyone celebrates now that I'm thinking about it. So I haven't changed from that stance, nor am I equating it to undeniably offensive words or terms, no matter how many times you try to say I am. I was specifically responding to ~Lauren~ 's point that in the past it has been said here, that even if you don't find something offensive you do your best not to offend and yet, here are many of you ridiculing those that are offended.
I'm questioning the RIDICULING. Bullcrap. You tried to nail merge to a cross yesterday for "liking" a 'controversial' post You actually stated that Lauren had a good point....yada yada yada... Same thing sweetie. If liking a post means agreement, so does telling someone they've made a good point. |
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Post by gardengoddess on Dec 13, 2016 23:26:55 GMT
Our diverse group of friends includes people of many different faiths (and several atheists like me). I cannot recall one instance in which any of us have taken offense when someone has wished us a Merry Christmas. Sorry for the long quote. I'm using my my phone and can't figure out how to edit. At any rate, I have no idea why you seem to think that there has been a huge push to eradicate Christmas. I feel like it's Christians like Skypea and rainbow who turn this into a big deal. I'll be 40 in a few months. I don't know one non-Christian person in my life who has ever expressed outrage over this issue. Wish my Jewish friends a Merry Christmas and I'm sure they'll smile and return your pleasantries with warmth and kindness. Likewise for this big fat atheist, my Muslim friend and her family, the Sikhs, the Pagans and the people of other faiths that I know well. I will repeat: the only people who seem to have this problem are Christians. I'm curious as to the kind of people that you and Rainbow hang out with since this outrage from Non-Christians is so commonplace in your world and yet virtually non-existent in mine. Amen. I don't know a single person IRL that has ever been offended by this made up by Fox News "War on Christmas". It just asinine and I think the people who are offended are just looking to be offended or are trying to use this faux "War on Christmas" to try and make their point that the poor, poor Christians in this country are soooo persecuted. It all a bunch of nonsense. |
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Post by lucyg on Dec 13, 2016 23:32:46 GMT
Not sure what you think you're defending. I'm not going through all the posts to see if you contradicted yourself elsewhere. I was referring specifically to the fact that you agreed with Lauren's contention that if someone wants to be told Merry Christmas, we are being offensive if we say Happy Holidays instead (whether or not we in fact are aware of their personal preference). Wishing someone Happy Holidays in order to be inclusive of everyone, even though a few are insisting on their own faith-specific Merry Christmas, is not quite in the same arena as calling people colored when they've asked to be referred to as African-American. I already said I don't find "Happy Holidays" offensive. I said that to me, that it's always been the same as/interchangeable with Merry Christmas. Or anything else that anyone celebrates now that I'm thinking about it. So I haven't changed from that stance, nor am I equating it to undeniably offensive words or terms, no matter how many times you try to say I am. I was specifically responding to ~Lauren~ 's point that in the past it has been said here, that even if you don't find something offensive you do your best not to offend and yet, here are many of you ridiculing those that are offended.
I'm questioning the RIDICULING. I'm not going back through 10 pages of this thread to find specific examples. But I believe people are ridiculing the nonsensical belief that there's a War on Christmas, a concept created and pushed by people who want to sell books and attract TV viewers. It has been shown over and over again that this is complete nonsense. A very small percentage of peas continues to insist it's real. "Nice" or not, I'm afraid that kind of deliberate obtuseness will always be ridiculed. That is in no way comparable to asking that groups of people be referred to by commonly-agreed-on terminology, in order to avoid offense. You, however, appeared to agree with Lauren that they are indeed comparable circumstances. I don't think I can make it any plainer than that. ETA as a side note, it's kind of deliciously ironic that, on the whole, the people most at risk for being ridiculed over this topic are the same people who are most likely to be deliberately inflammatory toward liberals. (I'm not talking about you here. I don't believe you are deliberately insulting in the same way some others are.) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 0:36:26 GMT
I already said I don't find "Happy Holidays" offensive. I said that to me, that it's always been the same as/interchangeable with Merry Christmas. Or anything else that anyone celebrates now that I'm thinking about it. So I haven't changed from that stance, nor am I equating it to undeniably offensive words or terms, no matter how many times you try to say I am. I was specifically responding to ~Lauren~ 's point that in the past it has been said here, that even if you don't find something offensive you do your best not to offend and yet, here are many of you ridiculing those that are offended.
I'm questioning the RIDICULING. I'm not going back through 10 pages of this thread to find specific examples. But I believe people are ridiculing the nonsensical belief that there's a War on Christmas, a concept created and pushed by people who want to sell books and attract TV viewers. It has been shown over and over again that this is complete nonsense. A very small percentage of peas continues to insist it's real. "Nice" or not, I'm afraid that kind of deliberate obtuseness will always be ridiculed. That is in no way comparable to asking that groups of people be referred to by commonly-agreed-on terminology, in order to avoid offense. You, however, appeared to agree with Lauren that they are indeed comparable circumstances. I don't think I can make it any plainer than that. ETA as a side note, it's kind of deliciously ironic that, on the whole, the people most at risk for being ridiculed over this topic are the same people who are most likely to be deliberately inflammatory toward liberals. (I'm not talking about you here. I don't believe you are deliberately insulting in the same way some others are.) I agreed with her point about the ridiculing, my words backed that up. I also don't think I can make it any plainer that that. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2016 2:34:17 GMT
I'm not going back through 10 pages of this thread to find specific examples. But I believe people are ridiculing the nonsensical belief that there's a War on Christmas, a concept created and pushed by people who want to sell books and attract TV viewers. It has been shown over and over again that this is complete nonsense. A very small percentage of peas continues to insist it's real. "Nice" or not, I'm afraid that kind of deliberate obtuseness will always be ridiculed. That is in no way comparable to asking that groups of people be referred to by commonly-agreed-on terminology, in order to avoid offense. You, however, appeared to agree with Lauren that they are indeed comparable circumstances. I don't think I can make it any plainer than that. ETA as a side note, it's kind of deliciously ironic that, on the whole, the people most at risk for being ridiculed over this topic are the same people who are most likely to be deliberately inflammatory toward liberals. (I'm not talking about you here. I don't believe you are deliberately insulting in the same way some others are.) I agreed with her point about the ridiculing, my words backed that up. I also don't think I can make it any plainer that that. Not quite, or no one would have issue with it, and as you can see, quite a few did. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 3:41:55 GMT
I agreed with her point about the ridiculing, my words backed that up. I also don't think I can make it any plainer that that. Not quite, or no one would have issue with it, and as you can see, quite a few did. Well, now that you DO know what I was agreeing with you can move on. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2016 4:11:24 GMT
Not quite, or no one would have issue with it, and as you can see, quite a few did. Well, now that you DO know what I was agreeing with you can move on. Why must you always dog and pony show then? Geez. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 4:17:33 GMT
Well, now that you DO know what I was agreeing with you can move on. Why must you always dog and pony show then? Geez. I have no idea what that means or what you're referring to. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 5:36:19 GMT
Oh, and no, Trump isn't practicing what he preaches. What a surprise, no?!??! No. He's a master con man.  |
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Post by lucyg on Dec 14, 2016 5:39:52 GMT
Oh, and no, Trump isn't practicing what he preaches. What a surprise, no?!??! No. He's a master con man. Is that for real? That's hilarious. He really is punking us, isn't he? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 5:56:49 GMT
Oh, and no, Trump isn't practicing what he preaches. What a surprise, no?!??! No. He's a master con man. Is that for real? That's hilarious. He really is punking us, isn't he? , along w/some old tweets of his from 2012 w/that monstrous "Happy Holidays" phrase plastered all over them. Quelle horreur. |
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 14, 2016 6:22:30 GMT
Perhaps this ad is more to the OP's liking? Hey, it says Christmas. I'm sure Christ would be thrilled that he was being press-ganged to hock assault weapons. I believe this pic is from last year, but, whoops, they did it again.  |
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 14, 2016 6:27:15 GMT
.... I think the real problem is that you, like many Christians, mistakenly believe that your religion gives you the right to dictate how everyone else should live, and it chaps your hide that a growing number of people are rejecting this. This. Exactly this. So many religions "of the book" - whichever book it be - and, of course, theirs is always the RIGHT book, need to tell their adherents not only, "hey, YOU believe and live like this", but rather, "hey, YOU believe and live like this AND MAKE IT YOUR BUSINESS TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES TOO". And therein lies much of the misery and hatred in the world.  |
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 14, 2016 6:28:49 GMT
Nothing says Christmas like the sound of gunfire  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2016 11:28:26 GMT
Nothing says Christmas like the sound of gunfire You are seriously invoking and CLEARLY suggesting that God wants people to have guns? You are sick. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2016 11:29:47 GMT
This. Exactly this. So many religions "of the book" - whichever book it be - and, of course, theirs is always the RIGHT book, need to tell their adherents not only, "hey, YOU believe and live like this", but rather, "hey, YOU believe and live like this AND MAKE IT YOUR BUSINESS TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES TOO". And therein lies much of the misery and hatred in the world. Oh stuff it. You give just as good as you get. You try harder than many to state that your ideals are the right and only ones. Your post is rich--coming from you. |
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Post by gar on Dec 14, 2016 11:36:35 GMT
Damn straight! Self-defense is very important to me. I don't think God would want us to sit around being victims. You are seriously invoking and CLEARLY suggesting that God wants people to have guns? You are sick. Let it go...you're rising to the very obvious bait  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2016 11:49:06 GMT
You are seriously invoking and CLEARLY suggesting that God wants people to have guns? You are sick. Let it go...you're rising to the very obvious bait 💕💕 I think she is plum crazy!!!! |
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Post by Nink on Dec 14, 2016 11:55:34 GMT
You are seriously invoking and CLEARLY suggesting that God wants people to have guns? You are sick. Let it go...you're rising to the very obvious bait Yup. OP asked a question We answered the OP's question honestly with reasons we felt as we do. Predictable few show up to hand slap us for answering honestly and not being tolerant, even though the crux of this post was intolerance... OP's real objective achieved. Let thread die. |
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 14, 2016 13:15:50 GMT
Damn straight! Self-defense is very important to me. I don't think God would want us to sit around being victims. You are seriously invoking and CLEARLY suggesting that God wants people to have guns? You are sick. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 15:40:48 GMT
I believe that God would want us to defend ourselves. Use whatever means you like. You can piss yourself or throw a stapler, I'll use my firearm. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Dec 14, 2016 17:09:40 GMT
You are seriously invoking and CLEARLY suggesting that God wants people to have guns? You are sick. You mean, the way Yeshua defended himself by beating up the Roman soldiers who were trying to crucify him? Or maybe by His coming down off the cross and showing those mockers a thing or two? What does this mean to you? Personally, I try to be very, VERY careful in speaking for God. You may believe what you'd like about what God wants but the Bible is very clear and I find it's best to let God speak for Himself. What exactly is this "defense"? What are you defending? The "war on Christmas" is nothing more than a symbolic protest against a perceived loss of privilege. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:46:33 GMT
Well, now that you DO know what I was agreeing with you can move on. Why must you always dog and pony show then? Geez. I've gone back and looked and I don't see what you see. Explaining myself after being misunderstood is not putting on a show. It's simply clarifying to clear up a misunderstanding. Nothing more, nothing less, so don't try to make more out of it. |
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Post by peano on Dec 14, 2016 20:03:43 GMT
You are seriously invoking and CLEARLY suggesting that God wants people to have guns? You are sick. On the fourth anniversary of the Sandy Hook massacre, I'm admittedly feeling a little raw. So I would just like to tell you that 1. You are delusional about what your Christian God would have wanted. As I am a Jew, my knowledge of the Christian text is not deep but even I KNOW that. 2. Go $uck yourself and BTW Happy Holidays!!! |
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 14, 2016 20:57:50 GMT
I believe that God would want us to defend ourselves. Use whatever means you like. You can piss yourself or throw a stapler, I'll use my firearm. You mean, the way Yeshua defended himself by beating up the Roman soldiers who were trying to crucify him? Or maybe by His coming down off the cross and showing those mockers a thing or two? What does this mean to you? Personally, I try to be very, VERY careful in speaking for God. You may believe what you'd like about what God wants but the Bible is very clear and I find it's best to let God speak for Himself. What exactly is this "defense"? What are you defending? The "war on Christmas" is nothing more than a symbolic protest against a perceived loss of privilege. |
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 14, 2016 21:03:14 GMT
I believe that God would want us to defend ourselves. Use whatever means you like. You can piss yourself or throw a stapler, I'll use my firearm. On the fourth anniversary of the Sandy Hook massacre, I'm admittedly feeling a little raw. So I would just like to tell you that 1. You are delusional about what your Christian God would have wanted. As I am a Jew, my knowledge of the Christian text is not deep but even I KNOW that. 2. Go $uck yourself and BTW Happy Holidays!!! |
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Post by MizIndependent on Dec 14, 2016 21:30:08 GMT
You mean, the way Yeshua defended himself by beating up the Roman soldiers who were trying to crucify him? Or maybe by His coming down off the cross and showing those mockers a thing or two? What does this mean to you? Personally, I try to be very, VERY careful in speaking for God. You may believe what you'd like about what God wants but the Bible is very clear and I find it's best to let God speak for Himself. What exactly is this "defense"? What are you defending? The "war on Christmas" is nothing more than a symbolic protest against a perceived loss of privilege. Well now, that's interesting. You don't have a proper response to the actual topic so you chicken out and try to derail it. In that case, I'm going to presume that you don't actually know what you're defending or why, that you're just looking to blow some aggressive steam and are using the Peas to vent on. Carry on! |
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