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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 24, 2017 16:09:51 GMT
You kind of made my point with the comment on the public library. I actually spend a lot of time in the library. I love books, and I love the smell of the library and the paper. I can spend a whole day in the library and completely lose track of time. In regards to the rural, older, lower-income population who may not have adequate internet access, or none at all (13%). How did they access this number without the internet? ummm-- by calling information? what do you mean, how did they access this number? I'm thinking some of those federal numbers might also be in that old-fashioned thing called the phone book-- which they DO still print in some areas. Or they called a local politician to ask them for the #, maybe; I don't know. But I DO know that there are OTHER ways to communicate besides the internet, and some people can NOT communicate via the internet. Again, older population, rural, etc. may not have transportation to the library to get there. No transportation = no library = no internet.
I did not make your point- my point was that not everyone has easy access to the internet. Some people have very LITTLE access (e.g., not EASY, therefore they probably won't even TRY to contact the White House- which is what I think they're counting on) and some people even have no access at all, depending on their circumstances.
I can't remember the last time I ever saw a phone book. It's probably been at least 10 years. However, the point being. Times change. Technology changes. Means of communication changes.
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Post by cade387 on Jan 24, 2017 16:17:24 GMT
your link is blocked for me, and I can't search it here right now, but can someone explain how miscarriages and D&Cs will be handled with this proposal?
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Post by cade387 on Jan 24, 2017 16:19:03 GMT
ummm-- by calling information? what do you mean, how did they access this number? I'm thinking some of those federal numbers might also be in that old-fashioned thing called the phone book-- which they DO still print in some areas. Or they called a local politician to ask them for the #, maybe; I don't know. But I DO know that there are OTHER ways to communicate besides the internet, and some people can NOT communicate via the internet. Again, older population, rural, etc. may not have transportation to the library to get there. No transportation = no library = no internet.
I did not make your point- my point was that not everyone has easy access to the internet. Some people have very LITTLE access (e.g., not EASY, therefore they probably won't even TRY to contact the White House- which is what I think they're counting on) and some people even have no access at all, depending on their circumstances.
I can't remember the last time I ever saw a phone book. It's probably been at least 10 years. However, the point being. Times change. Technology changes. Means of communication changes. Yes but it isn't free. And now you are advocating for a system where only the rich can have a voice. You are completely supporting of it. Do you not even recognize your own privilege?
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 24, 2017 16:31:14 GMT
I can't remember the last time I ever saw a phone book. It's probably been at least 10 years. However, the point being. Times change. Technology changes. Means of communication changes. Yes but it isn't free. And now you are advocating for a system where only the rich can have a voice. You are completely supporting of it. Do you not even recognize your own privilege? My 94 year old grandmother, on a fixed income, has a cell phone, an ipad, and a Facebook account.
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Post by cade387 on Jan 24, 2017 16:37:12 GMT
Yes but it isn't free. And now you are advocating for a system where only the rich can have a voice. You are completely supporting of it. Do you not even recognize your own privilege? My 94 year old grandmother, on a fixed income, has a cell phone, an ipad, and a Facebook account. So what? So you think the homeless don't deserve to have a voice? People go ape shit over women on WIC buying meat at the grocery store, and don't get me started on the "free Obama phones" discussion. You think every person, regardless of income should get a free phone, a data plan, or an ipad with data?
Really?
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Post by emleyth on Jan 24, 2017 16:41:57 GMT
I can't remember the last time I ever saw a phone book. It's probably been at least 10 years. However, the point being. Times change. Technology changes. Means of communication changes.
2 of them were delivered to my doorstep this fall. They are still around.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 24, 2017 16:42:06 GMT
My 94 year old grandmother, on a fixed income, has a cell phone, an ipad, and a Facebook account. So what? So you think the homeless don't deserve to have a voice? People go ape shit over women on WIC buying meat at the grocery store, and don't get me started on the "free Obama phones" discussion. You think every person, regardless of income should get a free phone, a data plan, or an ipad with data?
Really?
Do you honestly believe a homeless person is searching for the White House comments line? That's hyperbole at it's finest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 16:53:15 GMT
Hiring freeze = no NEW employees, not getting rid of the jobs for the people who are ALREADY working the phone. I have NO DOUBT that change was made to make it more difficult for people, especially a more rural, older population, or a lower-income population-- both of whom may not have adequate internet access or even none at all- to make their concerns known. (not that making your concerns known will mean anything, cause it won't-- not with this administration.) Have you ever gone to a public library where they have banks of computers, jonda? They're not there for the fun of it. They're there so people can access the internet who can't do it at home. You kind of made my point with the comment on the public library. I actually spend a lot of time in the library. I love books, and I love the smell of the library and the paper. I can spend a whole day in the library and completely lose track of time. In regards to the rural, older, lower-income population who may not have adequate internet access, or none at all (13%). How did they access this number without the internet? Federal numbers are in every phone book. ETA a phone book gets delivered to my front porch every year, mostly because I never bothered to opt out.
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Post by koontz on Jan 24, 2017 16:55:37 GMT
This is only my second post here (though I did post on the old board from time to time) and I just want to preface this by saying I do not mean to disrespect anyone, or disrespect anyone`s view. In fact, I have learned a great deal on this board about US politics and have read most of the political threads with interest (and, I`ll admit it, sometimes scratching my head). From someone looking at this from another country (the Netherlands) it has certainly provided me with some more nuance. We have an election coming up in March which will probably be equally heated and with a record number of participating political parties (I think we`re up to almost 20 now) I`m sure most other countries scratch their head about those silly Dutch. After that disclaimer, I would like to share this message from the Netherlands to President Trump with you. I hope you find it funny. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mr7TD8Q-AM
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 24, 2017 17:09:02 GMT
So what? So you think the homeless don't deserve to have a voice? People go ape shit over women on WIC buying meat at the grocery store, and don't get me started on the "free Obama phones" discussion. You think every person, regardless of income should get a free phone, a data plan, or an ipad with data?
Really?
Do you honestly believe a homeless person is searching for the White House comments line? That's hyperbole at it's finest. ^^^ do you honestly believe a homeless person shouldn't have access to the White House comments line? Because that's what it sounds like.
And by the way, 'homeless' is anyone from the person on the corner with all their worldly goods in a shopping cart to a woman with small children who just got away from her abusive boyfriend and is living in a battered women's shelter because she can't get a restraining order against him, or a young person who got kicked out of their apartment by their roommate, so they're living in their car and showering at a truck stop on their way to their minimum wage job (which doesn't pay enough $$ for them to save up for a security deposit). Apparently you think none of those people care at all about politics-- even though politics and policies may have contributed to the situation they're in.
...Honestly? not that you asked-- but in my opinion, from your latest posts, you sound like you live a very privileged life, and don't think too much about, or of, people who may not have those same advantages.
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Post by cade387 on Jan 24, 2017 17:11:19 GMT
Do you honestly believe a homeless person is searching for the White House comments line? That's hyperbole at it's finest. ^^^ do you honestly believe a homeless person shouldn't have access to the White House comments line? Because that's what it sounds like.
And by the way, 'homeless' is anyone from the person on the corner with all their worldly goods in a shopping cart to a woman with small children who just got away from her abusive boyfriend and is living in a battered women's shelter because she can't get a restraining order against him, or a young person who got kicked out of their apartment by their roommate, so they're living in their car and showering at a truck stop on their way to their minimum wage job (which doesn't pay enough $$ for them to save up for a security deposit). Apparently you think none of those people care at all about politics-- even though politics and policies may have contributed to the situation they're in.
...Honestly? not that you asked-- but in my opinion, from your latest posts, you sound like you live a very privileged life, and don't think too much about, or of, people who may not have those same advantages.
Thank you. You get my point.
Also, my fear is that the current admin also doesn't think of those who haven't had the cushy life that they have. They don't understand why it isn't ok for everyone to have a data plan, or be able to access a doctor in another state, etc.
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Post by imsirius on Jan 24, 2017 17:15:36 GMT
Is he going to fund the money for those new plants?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 17:19:31 GMT
ummm-- by calling information? what do you mean, how did they access this number? I'm thinking some of those federal numbers might also be in that old-fashioned thing called the phone book-- which they DO still print in some areas. Or they called a local politician to ask them for the #, maybe; I don't know. But I DO know that there are OTHER ways to communicate besides the internet, and some people can NOT communicate via the internet. Again, older population, rural, etc. may not have transportation to the library to get there. No transportation = no library = no internet.
I did not make your point- my point was that not everyone has easy access to the internet. Some people have very LITTLE access (e.g., not EASY, therefore they probably won't even TRY to contact the White House- which is what I think they're counting on) and some people even have no access at all, depending on their circumstances.
I can't remember the last time I ever saw a phone book. It's probably been at least 10 years. However, the point being. Times change. Technology changes. Means of communication changes. We are not talking about some private corporation but an entity that only exists to serve the people. When your purpose is to serve ALL the people you don't deny people access for the lack of a laptop. Because then you are not serving ALL the people.
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Post by scrapsotime on Jan 24, 2017 17:32:23 GMT
I didn't know where else to put this and I figured here was as good as any place.
A friend, that is a research scientist for the government, just posted that she and all government research entities have been issued a gag order. They had to take down all websites and can not talk about what they do.
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Post by imsirius on Jan 24, 2017 17:35:10 GMT
I didn't know where else to put this and I figured here was as good as any place. A friend, that is a research scientist for the government, just posted that she and all government research entities have been issued a gag order. They had to take down all websites and can not talk about what they do. WTF?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 24, 2017 17:42:52 GMT
Yes but it isn't free. And now you are advocating for a system where only the rich can have a voice. You are completely supporting of it. Do you not even recognize your own privilege? My 94 year old grandmother, on a fixed income, has a cell phone, an ipad, and a Facebook account. And my 70 something year old does not. So...?
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 24, 2017 17:52:08 GMT
Do you honestly believe a homeless person is searching for the White House comments line? That's hyperbole at it's finest. ^^^ do you honestly believe a homeless person shouldn't have access to the White House comments line? Because that's what it sounds like.
And by the way, 'homeless' is anyone from the person on the corner with all their worldly goods in a shopping cart to a woman with small children who just got away from her abusive boyfriend and is living in a battered women's shelter because she can't get a restraining order against him, or a young person who got kicked out of their apartment by their roommate, so they're living in their car and showering at a truck stop on their way to their minimum wage job (which doesn't pay enough $$ for them to save up for a security deposit). Apparently you think none of those people care at all about politics-- even though politics and policies may have contributed to the situation they're in.
...Honestly? not that you asked-- but in my opinion, from your latest posts, you sound like you live a very privileged life, and don't think too much about, or of, people who may not have those same advantages.
Honestly whether there is a phone number or not, is the least of the concerns we have as a nation. In the long run, it's not something I'm going to staunchly defend or oppose. I'd rather save my energy for the things that really matter in terms of actions taken by the White House. All of these little "slights" are deflecting from important issues, and serve as a wag the dog. Anyone who doesn't realize these are deliberate, isn't paying attention. Even Michael Moore said it in regards to the first time he met Trump. It's a strategy that seems to continue to work very well. All of these knee-jerk, "I can't believes" remind me of the dog in the movie up whose attention is always quickly drawn to the shiniest new thing, "Squirrel". It also works to de-legitimize valid arguments because when everything is an issue, nothing is an issue. It's like the boy who cried wolf. Eventually people just stop listening. Fight the fights that matter, and leave the trivial stuff behind.
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Post by micheley on Jan 24, 2017 17:54:11 GMT
I didn't know where else to put this and I figured here was as good as any place. A friend, that is a research scientist for the government, just posted that she and all government research entities have been issued a gag order. They had to take down all websites and can not talk about what they do. Well I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation. I am really depressed today. Trumps inauguration speech was mostly written by Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller. You know, dudes with ties to white nationalism. Chief Strategist and Senior Policy Adviser. To our President. thehill.com/homenews/administration/315464-bannon-miller-wrote-trumps-inauguration-address-report
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Post by Tamhugh on Jan 24, 2017 17:58:05 GMT
ummm-- by calling information? what do you mean, how did they access this number? I'm thinking some of those federal numbers might also be in that old-fashioned thing called the phone book-- which they DO still print in some areas. Or they called a local politician to ask them for the #, maybe; I don't know. But I DO know that there are OTHER ways to communicate besides the internet, and some people can NOT communicate via the internet. Again, older population, rural, etc. may not have transportation to the library to get there. No transportation = no library = no internet.
I did not make your point- my point was that not everyone has easy access to the internet. Some people have very LITTLE access (e.g., not EASY, therefore they probably won't even TRY to contact the White House- which is what I think they're counting on) and some people even have no access at all, depending on their circumstances.
I can't remember the last time I ever saw a phone book. It's probably been at least 10 years. However, the point being. Times change. Technology changes. Means of communication changes. We still get phone books delivered here annually. They are much thinner than they used to be, but they still exist. I am in a very suburban area. Our area is fairly affluent and I am always a little surprised at how many students do not have internet access at home.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 24, 2017 17:59:16 GMT
all of these little 'slights' may / quite probably add up to something a lot larger.
YOU may not think so, but others of us do.
Sniffles, a cough, etc. by themselves? They're just symptoms-- aka 'little things.' Diagnosis could be a simple cold, or it could be pneumonia. Or perhaps something a lot more life-threatening.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 24, 2017 18:00:27 GMT
all of these little 'slights' may / quite probably add up to something a lot larger. You may not think so, but others of us do. Sniffles, a cough, etc. by themselves? They're just symptoms-- aka 'little things.' Diagnosis could be a simple cold, or it could be pneumonia. They also could be the signs of a hypochondriac.
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 24, 2017 18:01:01 GMT
So what? So you think the homeless don't deserve to have a voice? People go ape shit over women on WIC buying meat at the grocery store, and don't get me started on the "free Obama phones" discussion. You think every person, regardless of income should get a free phone, a data plan, or an ipad with data?
Really?
Do you honestly believe a homeless person is searching for the White House comments line? That's hyperbole at it's finest. Maybe a homeless veteran?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 24, 2017 18:01:37 GMT
I'd rather handle things with preventive care rather than fixing the problems after the fact. Much less costly, or catastrophic, that way. Especially on as large a scale as our national scale.
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Post by scrapsotime on Jan 24, 2017 18:14:09 GMT
I didn't know where else to put this and I figured here was as good as any place. A friend, that is a research scientist for the government, just posted that she and all government research entities have been issued a gag order. They had to take down all websites and can not talk about what they do. Revising to say that apparently this is for the USDA. There are some other things going on with the EPA.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 18:22:04 GMT
This was from Micheal Cohen who is special counsel to Trump: Impressed by the number of supporters for the women's movement yesterday. Question: Were the pink hats made in the USA?They were very lovingly handmade in most cases. I have several friends and family who spent a great deal of time knitting. So proud of them. But where was the yarn manufactured though is the important question!
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Post by DEX on Jan 24, 2017 18:23:39 GMT
This is only my second post here (though I did post on the old board from time to time) and I just want to preface this by saying I do not mean to disrespect anyone, or disrespect anyone`s view. In fact, I have learned a great deal on this board about US politics and have read most of the political threads with interest (and, I`ll admit it, sometimes scratching my head). From someone looking at this from another country (the Netherlands) it has certainly provided me with some more nuance. We have an election coming up in March which will probably be equally heated and with a record number of participating political parties (I think we`re up to almost 20 now) I`m sure most other countries scratch their head about those silly Dutch. After that disclaimer, I would like to share this message from the Netherlands to President Trump with you. I hope you find it funny. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mr7TD8Q-AMThanks for the video. You guys nailed it!
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 24, 2017 18:28:38 GMT
They were very lovingly handmade in most cases. I have several friends and family who spent a great deal of time knitting. So proud of them. But where was the yarn manufactured though is the important question! I don't know about everyone, but one of the women I know who made a lot of hats to pass out at the march, actually dyed the wool herself. So for her, I know she used USA, Pennsylvania made wool yarn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 18:57:04 GMT
But where was the yarn manufactured though is the important question! I don't know about everyone, but one of the women I know who made a lot of hats to pass out at the march, actually dyed the wool herself. So for her, I know she used USA, Pennsylvania made wool yarn. She could very well have dyed the yarn but was it totally processed from sheep to actual yarn to knit with? Again she, in particular, might have used totally manufactured in the US wool but I doubt that most of the others did. The wool used to manufacture everything from clothes to upholstery is exported from China, Australia and other countries outside the U.S. The US is in 11th position as far as world wool production goes and imports more wool that they make. ETA adding that, to be totally US made the sheep that produce it need to be too!
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Post by scrapsotime on Jan 24, 2017 19:02:38 GMT
I don't know about everyone, but one of the women I know who made a lot of hats to pass out at the march, actually dyed the wool herself. So for her, I know she used USA, Pennsylvania made wool yarn. She could very well have dyed the yarn but was it totally processed from sheep to actual yarn to knit with? Again she, in particular, might have used totally manufactured in the US wool but I doubt that most of the others did. The wool used to manufacture everything from clothes to upholstery is exported from China, Australia and other countries outside the U.S. The US is in 11th position as far as world wool production goes and imports more wool that they make. ETA adding that, to be totally US made the sheep that produce it need to be too! Pfffft! Who would use wool when the US manufactures more than enough acrylic to choke all the sheep in the world.
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Post by jonda1974 on Jan 24, 2017 19:11:38 GMT
I don't know about everyone, but one of the women I know who made a lot of hats to pass out at the march, actually dyed the wool herself. So for her, I know she used USA, Pennsylvania made wool yarn. She could very well have dyed the yarn but was it totally processed from sheep to actual yarn to knit with? Again she, in particular, might have used totally manufactured in the US wool but I doubt that most of the others did. The wool used to manufacture everything from clothes to upholstery is exported from China, Australia and other countries outside the U.S. The US is in 11th position as far as world wool production goes and imports more wool that they make. ETA adding that, to be totally US made the sheep that produce it need to be too! For the woman I know, it was. She is always posting photos of taking the raw wool, spinning it, and dying it. Granted she is the exception, but a couple of people I know in Pennsylvania have been doing this for a while as a hobby.
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