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Post by stampinchick on Jul 15, 2017 5:44:04 GMT
The photo is very artistic. In a black velvet dogs playing poker kind of way.
I'm confused about the names. Is it Sir Carter Carter, like a reverse Boutros Boutros Ghali? If Carter is just being listed as his last name does that mean that Rumi wont have a last name? I do think it would he totally awesome if her middle name is Kub.
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Post by red88 on Jul 15, 2017 6:26:34 GMT
Hate is an awfully strong word for someone you don't know. How weird. false. (using my very best Dwight impression) I don't know DT, but I honestly hate that man! So color me weird. Beyonce, meh. Not a fan, don't really care for her music or photo ideas. To each their own. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 15, 2017 11:31:47 GMT
Well, gotta say, this thread sure took a turn.
My first thought is that is that is an awfully busy picture. Kind of makes my eyes jiggle.
My second thought is that I am not a big fan of Beyonce's music. I don't hate or like her personally, I'm just not a fan.
Last thought...it never occurred to me that not like Beyonce makes me a racist? I generally like a pretty wide swath of musical genres and there is really no rhyme or reason as to why I like what I like...but in so far as I can tell, race hasn't ever come into play. I would go so far as to say that pretty much the only music I really don't care for is what I call the 'women as holes' music (the stuff that relegates women to the role of a hole to poke a dick into) which I guess makes me a feminist, but I think we all can get behind the argument that women are more than gold digging blow up dolls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 11:40:11 GMT
I only came into this thread because I thought it was about some weird group calling themselves Beyoncé Babes and wondered why that had gotten the Peas all kerfuffled.
My only question: Is it pronounced rummy or roomy?
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 12:33:29 GMT
Well, gotta say, this thread sure took a turn. My first thought is that is that is an awfully busy picture. Kind of makes my eyes jiggle. My second thought is that I am not a big fan of Beyonce's music. I don't hate or like her personally, I'm just not a fan. Last thought...it never occurred to me that not like Beyonce makes me a racist? I generally like a pretty wide swath of musical genres and there is really no rhyme or reason as to why I like what I like...but in so far as I can tell, race hasn't ever come into play. I would go so far as to say that pretty much the only music I really don't care for is what I call the 'women as holes' music (the stuff that relegates women to the role of a hole to poke a dick into) which I guess makes me a feminist, but I think we all can get behind the argument that women are more than gold digging blow up dolls. You keep your feminism and black women will keep jamming to Beyoncé *shrugs* Also I did not say if you aren't fangirling over Beyoncé you are racist. What I did say is a lot of Oprah haters are now Beyoncé haters and it's probably because they hate seeing black women win. The reason behind your hate isn't because she can't sing or she doesn't write any of her songs. Same with Serena Williams. Simone Biles/Manuel.No one wants to argue that point so everyone is all like Let's just pretend she said something else. |
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Post by *KAS* on Jul 15, 2017 12:46:05 GMT
How do you trademark a child's name?  Why would you trademark a child's name? Imagine down the road when these kids have kids and all the paperwork they're gonna have to file to pass on their names to future generations.  Because if they don't trademark their names then some Joe Schmoe introduces a 'Sir Carter' line of shoes 20 years from now, profiting off of the real Sir Carter's name. Same reasons many public people lock down twitter / Instagram handles / websites etc ahead of announcing their babies names. Saves a lot of work later. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 12:49:26 GMT
May I just say white women aren't comfortable seeing themselves win* before dropping the mic and heading to yoga.
*2016 election
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 15, 2017 13:34:25 GMT
Well, gotta say, this thread sure took a turn. My first thought is that is that is an awfully busy picture. Kind of makes my eyes jiggle. My second thought is that I am not a big fan of Beyonce's music. I don't hate or like her personally, I'm just not a fan. Last thought...it never occurred to me that not like Beyonce makes me a racist? I generally like a pretty wide swath of musical genres and there is really no rhyme or reason as to why I like what I like...but in so far as I can tell, race hasn't ever come into play. I would go so far as to say that pretty much the only music I really don't care for is what I call the 'women as holes' music (the stuff that relegates women to the role of a hole to poke a dick into) which I guess makes me a feminist, but I think we all can get behind the argument that women are more than gold digging blow up dolls. You keep your feminism and black women will keep jamming to Beyoncé *shrugs* Also I did not say if you aren't fangirling over Beyoncé you are racist. What I did say is a lot of Oprah haters are now Beyoncé haters and it's probably because they hate seeing black women win. The reason behind your hate isn't because she can't sing or she doesn't write any of her songs. Same with Serena Williams. Simone Biles/Manuel.No one wants to argue that point so everyone is all like Let's just pretend she said something else. So there is no middle ground? No way for us to come together and agree that some haters hate because they are racists assholes, but others hate just because they genuinely dislike someone like Oprah or Beyonce because they don't like some thing that they are doing or a message they are sending? This kind of us vs. them thing frustrates me. I work in a social services field that I couldn't work in if I held a single iota of racist beliefs (of any sort against any ethnicity.) I will be frank with you, I get the reverse...those from other ethnicities who automatically make assumptions about me based on first impressions-race, gender, regional origins, etc. I don't think that no one wants to ignore the argument that there are those who are racist assholes. I think that on the whole though, most people want to go beyond the stereotypes and learn from healthy discussions re: race. But I also think that the discussions should go both ways. Maybe we could learn from each other? Maybe I could tell you about how weird it is for people to make assumptions about me and you could tell me about how weird it is for people to make assumptions about you and we could meet in the middle and I bet we would have way more in common than you can imagine. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 15, 2017 13:42:40 GMT
The picture is all about the babies. Not. I can barely even find one baby in the photo, let alone two! |
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 15, 2017 13:53:11 GMT
You keep your feminism and black women will keep jamming to Beyoncé *shrugs* Also I did not say if you aren't fangirling over Beyoncé you are racist. What I did say is a lot of Oprah haters are now Beyoncé haters and it's probably because they hate seeing black women win. The reason behind your hate isn't because she can't sing or she doesn't write any of her songs. Same with Serena Williams. Simone Biles/Manuel.No one wants to argue that point so everyone is all like Let's just pretend she said something else. So there is no middle ground? No way for us to come together and agree that some haters hate because they are racists assholes, but others hate just because they genuinely dislike someone like Oprah or Beyonce because they don't like some thing that they are doing or a message they are sending? This kind of us vs. them thing frustrates me. I work in a social services field that I couldn't work in if I held a single iota of racist beliefs (of any sort against any ethnicity.) I will be frank with you, I get the reverse...those from other ethnicities who automatically make assumptions about me based on first impressions-race, gender, regional origins, etc. I don't think that no one wants to ignore the argument that there are those who are racist assholes. I think that on the whole though, most people want to go beyond the stereotypes and learn from healthy discussions re: race. But I also think that the discussions should go both ways. Maybe we could learn from each other? Maybe I could tell you about how weird it is for people to make assumptions about me and you could tell me about how weird it is for people to make assumptions about you and we could meet in the middle and I bet we would have way more in common than you can imagine. Thank you for saying what I'm feeling. |
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Post by Nanner on Jul 15, 2017 15:49:04 GMT
Oh FFS. It's like you're a racist if you don't gush over anybody that's not caucasian.
I don't "HATE" Oprah, but I don't like her. Why? Because she was always interrupting her guests when they were speaking. Drove me crazy. That's why I stopped watching her years ago. Her race had nothing to do with it.
I also don't "HATE" Beyonce. I just don't like her. Big deal. That doesn't make me racist.
The Williams sisters, on the other hand? I have scads of admiration for those women. I think they're amazing and beyond talented.
And Madonna? I can't stand her. Never could.
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Post by ahiller on Jul 15, 2017 17:35:26 GMT
May I just say white women aren't comfortable seeing themselves win* before dropping the mic and heading to yoga. *2016 election I don't even know wtf this means. I don't care for much of Beyonce's music and I think she has an over-inflated ego (as do many other celebrities of all different races and ethnicities). I do think she has a beautiful voice and she's worked incredibly hard for what she has achieved so good for her. To say that anyone who doesn't like Beyoncé does so because they don't like black women in power is just stupid. If it were up to me, Michelle Obama would be the permanent First Lady of the US and that's about as powerful a position as you can be in. Oh and by the way, my white, rap-loving, engineer husband just bought tickets for him and a friend to see Jay-Z in concert. He's also gone to see Drake and Kanye. I don't go with them because I don't like any of their music. I guess that makes me a racist and him not. 🙄 |
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Post by paget on Jul 15, 2017 17:54:12 GMT
Reading Olan dialogue/comments feels like beating my head against a wall or alternately cocking my head side like, "wtf?" You're not interested in actual conversation unless (based on my interpretations of your previous comments) we are apologizing for ourselves and all white People ever. For someone so engrossed in race issues and unfair treatment it is mind boggling that you do the exact same thing. The leaps you makes are astounding and even nonsensical . --the Oprah haters have become Beyoncé haters? Did you take polls? How are you figuring these are the same people? And your assumptions for the dislike are based on race even though person after person tells you it isn't so. Maybe there are some people who feel this way- hell, there are all kinds as assholes in the world so it wouldn't surprise me, but just the answers from our small sampling should show you it isn't true of all.
I didn't even look at the picture because celebrities in general don't interest me. I don't really have feelings about Beyoncé one way or another besides the fact that dd's dance team danced to a mash up collection of her songs and it was so awesome. Oprah, I actually have mixed feelings about - the parts I love I really love and some other things I kind of roll my eyes but I have no hate for her. I have respect.
The anger and bitterness you display here are sad. I am sorry you are hurting and while you bring up important topics, the way you do it and the lack of understanding you give to other points make it not worthwhile to me to respond let alone continue to read anything you post. I'm out.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 15, 2017 18:18:10 GMT
What I found most fascinating about the photo is Beyonce wearing an outfit from Palomo Spain's menswear line. For real.  Check out librarylady's thread on questionable men's fashion here. It looks like she just has one piece on, so I wonder if Jay Z is wearing the romper part? |
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Post by gillyp on Jul 15, 2017 18:24:11 GMT
paget thank you. You have eloquently expressed my thoughts.
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Post by imsirius on Jul 15, 2017 18:40:55 GMT
Reading Olan dialogue/comments feels like beating my head against a wall or alternately cocking my head side like, "wtf?" You're not interested in actual conversation unless (based on my interpretations of your previous comments) we are apologizing for ourselves and all white People ever. For someone so engrossed in race issues and unfair treatment it is mind boggling that you do the exact same thing. The leaps you makes are astounding and even nonsensical . --the Oprah haters have become Beyoncé haters? Did you take polls? How are you figuring these are the same people? And your assumptions for the dislike are based on race even though person after person tells you it isn't so. Maybe there are some people who feel this way- hell, there are all kinds as assholes in the world so it wouldn't surprise me, but just the answers from our small sampling should show you it isn't true of all. I didn't even look at the picture because celebrities in general don't interest me. I don't really have feelings about Beyoncé one way or another besides the fact that dd's dance team danced to a mash up collection of her songs and it was so awesome. Oprah, I actually have mixed feelings about - the parts I love I really love and some other things I kind of roll my eyes but I have no hate for her. I have respect. The anger and bitterness you display here are sad. I am sorry you are hurting and while you bring up important topics, the way you do it and the lack of understanding you give to other points make it not worthwhile to me to respond let alone continue to read anything you post. I'm out. This x 10000000 Thank you Paget! |
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 15, 2017 19:02:24 GMT
Reading Olan dialogue/comments feels like beating my head against a wall or alternately cocking my head side like, "wtf?" You're not interested in actual conversation unless (based on my interpretations of your previous comments) we are apologizing for ourselves and all white People ever. For someone so engrossed in race issues and unfair treatment it is mind boggling that you do the exact same thing. The leaps you makes are astounding and even nonsensical . --the Oprah haters have become Beyoncé haters? Did you take polls? How are you figuring these are the same people? And your assumptions for the dislike are based on race even though person after person tells you it isn't so. Maybe there are some people who feel this way- hell, there are all kinds as assholes in the world so it wouldn't surprise me, but just the answers from our small sampling should show you it isn't true of all. I didn't even look at the picture because celebrities in general don't interest me. I don't really have feelings about Beyoncé one way or another besides the fact that dd's dance team danced to a mash up collection of her songs and it was so awesome. Oprah, I actually have mixed feelings about - the parts I love I really love and some other things I kind of roll my eyes but I have no hate for her. I have respect. The anger and bitterness you display here are sad. I am sorry you are hurting and while you bring up important topics, the way you do it and the lack of understanding you give to other points make it not worthwhile to me to respond let alone continue to read anything you post. I'm out. This x 10000000 Thank you Paget! Same here.
Olan, I wish you well. Really, I do. I feel like I can't possibly begin to know what it's like to walk in your shoes and those of your ancestors, and it would be inappropriate of me to try. I admit I grew up/live in a bubble in the middle of the country, and have not experienced rabid racism on either side, so I respect that the things you and your family have gone through, have made a huge impact on your whole being - and well they should!!! I don't intend in any way to minimize that or "write it off". It's very real and definitely a discussion that needs to be ongoing in our country, especially with the jack*** that's currently "leading" it.
BUT.....
Life is only 10% what happens to you, and 90% what you make of it.
Look at the world around you. Appreciate what you have. Do your ancestors proud by spending your emotional energy for the good - be it volunteering with youth, helping the homeless, working at a food bank. How do you think they would feel about the bitterness that has built up in you? Wouldn't they want you to move forward and be grateful for what you have that they didn't?
Be open-minded to other people's points of view. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. 
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 19:32:32 GMT
This x 10000000 Thank you Paget! Same here.
Olan, I wish you well. Really, I do. I feel like I can't possibly begin to know what it's like to walk in your shoes and those of your ancestors, and it would be inappropriate of me to try. I admit I grew up/live in a bubble in the middle of the country, and have not experienced rabid racism on either side, so I respect that the things you and your family have gone through, have made a huge impact on your whole being - and well they should!!! I don't intent in any way to minimize that or "write it off". It's very real and definitely a discussion that needs to be ongoing in our country, especially with the jack*** that's currently "leading" it.
BUT.....
Life is only 10% what happens to you, and 90% what you make of it.
Look at the world around you. Appreciate what you have. Do your ancestors proud by spending your emotional energy for the good - be it volunteering with youth, helping the homeless, working at a food bank. How do you think they would feel about the bitterness that has built up in you? Wouldn't they want you to move forward and be grateful for what you have that they didn't?
Be open-minded to other people's points of view. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
So my ancestors want me to be glad I am not enslaved and focus on finding common ground with white women? Hmm okay. Also my participation here doesn't mean I don't volunteer in meaningful ways. I am not an active pea because my plate is as full as it is. I would ask what you've done to make your ancestors proud but I really don't have the energy for the back and forth. I said what I said. Everyone is welcome to disagree and make assumptions about how bitter I am. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 19:48:50 GMT
May I just say white women aren't comfortable seeing themselves win* before dropping the mic and heading to yoga. *2016 election I don't even know wtf this means. I don't care for much of Beyonce's music and I think she has an over-inflated ego (as do many other celebrities of all different races and ethnicities). I do think she has a beautiful voice and she's worked incredibly hard for what she has achieved so good for her. To say that anyone who doesn't like Beyoncé does so because they don't like black women in power is just stupid. If it were up to me, Michelle Obama would be the permanent First Lady of the US and that's about as powerful a position as you can be in. Oh and by the way, my white, rap-loving, engineer husband just bought tickets for him and a friend to see Jay-Z in concert. He's also gone to see Drake and Kanye. I don't go with them because I don't like any of their music. I guess that makes me a racist and him not. 🙄 Also I did not say if you aren't fangirling over Beyoncé you are racist. What I did say is a lot of Oprah haters are now Beyoncé haters and it's probably because they hate seeing black women win. The reason behind your hate isn't because she can't sing or she doesn't write any of her songs. Same with Serena Williams. Simone Biles/Manuel.No one wants to argue that point so everyone is all like Let's just pretend she said something else. I will C&P this because it applies to your comments as well. No one wants to touch the 2016 Olympics or The Williams Sisters entire career. Yet somehow conversing with me is hand banging worthy. Ha! And of course white people will attend Jay Z concerts. Just like I sat in front of white women at a Solange concert. Yes they sang along to "This shit is for us" *shockedface*. White people love black culture. Can't get enough of it. And if you are all WTF about white women uncomfortable seeing themselves win and the 2016 election reference I can see why you're willfully ignoring my actual point. |
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 15, 2017 20:09:01 GMT
Same here.
Olan, I wish you well. Really, I do. I feel like I can't possibly begin to know what it's like to walk in your shoes and those of your ancestors, and it would be inappropriate of me to try. I admit I grew up/live in a bubble in the middle of the country, and have not experienced rabid racism on either side, so I respect that the things you and your family have gone through, have made a huge impact on your whole being - and well they should!!! I don't intent in any way to minimize that or "write it off". It's very real and definitely a discussion that needs to be ongoing in our country, especially with the jack*** that's currently "leading" it.
BUT.....
Life is only 10% what happens to you, and 90% what you make of it.
Look at the world around you. Appreciate what you have. Do your ancestors proud by spending your emotional energy for the good - be it volunteering with youth, helping the homeless, working at a food bank. How do you think they would feel about the bitterness that has built up in you? Wouldn't they want you to move forward and be grateful for what you have that they didn't?
Be open-minded to other people's points of view. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
So my ancestors want me to be glad I am not enslaved and focus on finding common ground with white women? Hmm okay. Also my participation here doesn't mean I don't volunteer in meaningful ways. I am not an active pea because my plate is as full as it is. I would ask what you've done to make your ancestors proud but I really don't have the energy for the back and forth. I said what I said. Everyone is welcome to disagree and make assumptions about how bitter I am. Oh for Pete's sake. You yourself have said that your bitterness toward white people is because of the way your ancestors were treated. That struck me and I have compassion for it. I was really trying to be nice, and letting you know that there really are people out here who are friendly and wish the best for you, but I suppose I'll change my tune and say I'm sure your ancestors are thrilled that you're living your life hating white people and turning a conversation about someone's baby pictures on a message board into a big racist ordeal.
Sounds like you have a lot to look forward to, so I'll leave you be. If you ever do decide you would like to have meaningful conversation and, yes, find some common ground, I'll be here and more than willing to visit with you. I mean that!
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 20:23:55 GMT
So my ancestors want me to be glad I am not enslaved and focus on finding common ground with white women? Hmm okay. Also my participation here doesn't mean I don't volunteer in meaningful ways. I am not an active pea because my plate is as full as it is. I would ask what you've done to make your ancestors proud but I really don't have the energy for the back and forth. I said what I said. Everyone is welcome to disagree and make assumptions about how bitter I am. Oh for Pete's sake. You yourself have said that your bitterness toward white people is because of the way your ancestors were treated. That struck me and I have compassion for it. I was really trying to be nice, and letting you know that there really are people out here who are friendly and wish the best for you, but I suppose I'll change my tune and say I'm sure your ancestors are thrilled that you're living your life hating white people and turning a conversation about someone's baby pictures on a message board into a big racist ordeal.
Sounds like you have a lot to look forward to, so I'll leave you be. If you ever do decide you would like to have meaningful conversation and, yes, find some common ground, I'll be here and more than willing to visit with you. I mean that!
I've been finding common ground with the peas for many years. Miss me with the nonsense. You just want me to fall over myself thanking you for your compassionate reaction whilst you question if I am feeding enough homeless people. What are you doing to dismantle a system your ancestors started and you benefit from? Who have you helped? What change have you brought about? You are the one with work to do. You could do to work in leggings unlike the women who came before you and if you don't trust and believe someone will ask why you sat idle during a time like this. You want me to find common ground but I am still dying at an increasingly higher rate than you. Childbirth, cancer, routine traffic stops etc. |
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Post by libby on Jul 15, 2017 21:40:21 GMT
I don't even know wtf this means. I don't care for much of Beyonce's music and I think she has an over-inflated ego (as do many other celebrities of all different races and ethnicities). I do think she has a beautiful voice and she's worked incredibly hard for what she has achieved so good for her. To say that anyone who doesn't like Beyoncé does so because they don't like black women in power is just stupid. If it were up to me, Michelle Obama would be the permanent First Lady of the US and that's about as powerful a position as you can be in. Oh and by the way, my white, rap-loving, engineer husband just bought tickets for him and a friend to see Jay-Z in concert. He's also gone to see Drake and Kanye. I don't go with them because I don't like any of their music. I guess that makes me a racist and him not. 🙄 Also I did not say if you aren't fangirling over Beyoncé you are racist. What I did say is a lot of Oprah haters are now Beyoncé haters and it's probably because they hate seeing black women win. The reason behind your hate isn't because she can't sing or she doesn't write any of her songs. Same with Serena Williams. Simone Biles/Manuel.No one wants to argue that point so everyone is all like Let's just pretend she said something else. I will C&P this because it applies to your comments as well. No one wants to touch the 2016 Olympics or The Williams Sisters entire career. Yet somehow conversing with me is hand banging worthy. Ha! And of course white people will attend Jay Z concerts. Just like I sat in front of white women at a Solange concert. Yes they sang along to "This shit is for us" *shockedface*. White people love black culture. Can't get enough of it. And if you are all WTF about white women uncomfortable seeing themselves win and the 2016 election reference I can see why you're willfully ignoring my actual point. How can black women be winning when the white people are keeping them down? I have been reading your post for a while on here, the only thing that would begin to please you (as you stated before) is reparations of cash money. Earlier you said you were more likely to get shot by the police ummm no you are more likely to get shot by someone of your race. You will never ever make any ground with your attitude. You dig your heals in and it makes others do the same. You may try to make others feel white guilt, but I feel no guilt. Can you dispute these facts? While only 13 % of the American population is black:
72% of black households are single parent
72% of all black babies born out of wedlock
50% of all black kids don’t finish high school
52% of all violent juvenile crimes are committed by blacks
45% of all drug offenses are committed by blacks
85% of all violent interracial crimes are committed by blacks
79% of all robberies are committed by blacks
80% of all shootings are committed by blacks
59% of all murders are committed by blacks
49% of all murder victims are black
93% of all black murder victims are murdered by another black
33% of all crimes are committed by 3% of the population; blacks between the ages of 16 and 36
8% of America’s population is black men, yet they account for 40% of America’s total prison population.
99% of all major riots involving property damage, looting and civil disobedience are committed by blacks as opposed to ANY OTHER minority in America.
Look at these statistics and tell me which of them can’t be reduced by Black America BY THEMSELVES without any outside money or help.
If you look at how our nation’s crime statistics compare with the rest of the world and you will see that we are in the top five right up there with Somalia, but if you remove the numbers from the top four black neighborhoods , from our national numbers and we rank third from the last right down there with Tibet. |
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Post by libby on Jul 15, 2017 21:45:50 GMT
I don't even know wtf this means. I don't care for much of Beyonce's music and I think she has an over-inflated ego (as do many other celebrities of all different races and ethnicities). I do think she has a beautiful voice and she's worked incredibly hard for what she has achieved so good for her. To say that anyone who doesn't like Beyoncé does so because they don't like black women in power is just stupid. If it were up to me, Michelle Obama would be the permanent First Lady of the US and that's about as powerful a position as you can be in. Oh and by the way, my white, rap-loving, engineer husband just bought tickets for him and a friend to see Jay-Z in concert. He's also gone to see Drake and Kanye. I don't go with them because I don't like any of their music. I guess that makes me a racist and him not. 🙄 Also I did not say if you aren't fangirling over Beyoncé you are racist. What I did say is a lot of Oprah haters are now Beyoncé haters and it's probably because they hate seeing black women win. The reason behind your hate isn't because she can't sing or she doesn't write any of her songs. Same with Serena Williams. Simone Biles/Manuel.No one wants to argue that point so everyone is all like Let's just pretend she said something else. I will C&P this because it applies to your comments as well. No one wants to touch the 2016 Olympics or The Williams Sisters entire career. Yet somehow conversing with me is hand banging worthy. Ha! And of course white people will attend Jay Z concerts. Just like I sat in front of white women at a Solange concert. Yes they sang along to "This shit is for us" *shockedface*. White people love black culture. Can't get enough of it. And if you are all WTF about white women uncomfortable seeing themselves win and the 2016 election reference I can see why you're willfully ignoring my actual point. Attachments:
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Post by Clair on Jul 15, 2017 22:04:56 GMT
Olan - you've been arguing people are not part of the problem.
You now have a racist troll - Libby - posting on the thread.
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 22:27:13 GMT
Olan - you've been arguing people are not part of the problem. You now have a racist troll - Libby - posting on the thread. Yes blame racist behaviors on me Clair. That makes a lot of sense! Who was I arguing with? What was the basis of their argument because I totally missed it. And what's the problem for the record? Was it identified in this thread? Who could actually dispute what I am saying? FTR White women don't like to see black women win. White women don't like to see each other win. |
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Post by Clair on Jul 15, 2017 23:04:30 GMT
This 1000 times. Seriously Olan, you are blinded by your hatred of anyone of a different race than you. You think you have the answers to the problem when in fact you are the problem. I believe SOME of what you have personally felt as racism actually has nothing to do with race. It has to do with your bitter personality. Check Libby's post history - very racist. |
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Post by moodyblue on Jul 15, 2017 23:26:53 GMT
Olan - you've been arguing people are not part of the problem. You now have a racist troll - Libby - posting on the thread. Yes blame racist behaviors on me Clair. That makes a lot of sense! Who was I arguing with? What was the basis of their argument because I totally missed it. And what's the problem for the record? Was it identified in this thread? Who could actually dispute what I am saying? FTR White women don't like to see black women win. White women don't like to see each other win. What a lot of us, I think, have a problem with is that you make blanket statements - like "White women don't like to see black women win. White women don't like to see each other win." I do believe that there are some white women for whom those statements ring true, BUT NOT ALL. And you alienate many people when you make such sweeping statements. I don't think that you can prove those statements to be true for all white women. I know it's not true for me, so right there you have one contradiction. There are many more women who cheer on successful women - and males - and actively work to help people succeed. (I'm guessing when you say 'win' you mean being successful and /or powerful, not just 'winning' an election or a tennis match?) I'd never say that I know what it feels like to walk in your shoes. Based on the anger I feel when I read about people like the 19-year-old tiny black woman 'mistaken' for a bald taller man, manhandled by police and arrested for resisting, I'm going to assume that your anger is much stronger than mine. Anger can spur people to action and thus can be a good thing. It can also prevent people from really seeing and hearing what's being said and done. I don't know that any apology will do what you want. Should every white person in this country apologize to all black people? The generations of my family in this country before me had nothing to do with slavery. Some individuals had prejudices but I've seen each succeeding generation change. Am I aware that there is 'white privilege' and that I have benefitted from that? Yes. However, I had no more control over being born white than you had over your birth. I do what I can, in my job as a teacher, to make sure that ALL my students get the best education from me as possible, so that they can present themselves in ways that will help them succeed in life, no matter what race or ethnicity. It saddens me that some of my students may have extra challenges because of circumstances of their birth. If you have concrete ideas of how to work on those issues, please share them. I'm sure that financial reparations, which you've indicated you want to see, are an impossible nightmare that will never happen. I'm not sure that putting energy into that type of goal would serve anyone well. |
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Post by ahiller on Jul 15, 2017 23:41:01 GMT
I don't even know wtf this means. I don't care for much of Beyonce's music and I think she has an over-inflated ego (as do many other celebrities of all different races and ethnicities). I do think she has a beautiful voice and she's worked incredibly hard for what she has achieved so good for her. To say that anyone who doesn't like Beyoncé does so because they don't like black women in power is just stupid. If it were up to me, Michelle Obama would be the permanent First Lady of the US and that's about as powerful a position as you can be in. Oh and by the way, my white, rap-loving, engineer husband just bought tickets for him and a friend to see Jay-Z in concert. He's also gone to see Drake and Kanye. I don't go with them because I don't like any of their music. I guess that makes me a racist and him not. 🙄 Also I did not say if you aren't fangirling over Beyoncé you are racist. What I did say is a lot of Oprah haters are now Beyoncé haters and it's probably because they hate seeing black women win. The reason behind your hate isn't because she can't sing or she doesn't write any of her songs. Same with Serena Williams. Simone Biles/Manuel.No one wants to argue that point so everyone is all like Let's just pretend she said something else. I will C&P this because it applies to your comments as well. No one wants to touch the 2016 Olympics or The Williams Sisters entire career. Yet somehow conversing with me is hand banging worthy. Ha! And of course white people will attend Jay Z concerts. Just like I sat in front of white women at a Solange concert. Yes they sang along to "This shit is for us" *shockedface*. White people love black culture. Can't get enough of it. And if you are all WTF about white women uncomfortable seeing themselves win and the 2016 election reference I can see why you're willfully ignoring my actual point. I'm not willfully ignoring your actual point. I just had no actual clue what the hell you were trying to say. It made no sense to me. I'm not sure what Simone Biles or the Williams sisters have to do with anything. They are all obviously very accomplished. Are we supposed to bring them up in every conversation so that you know that we acknowledge that? It's beyond strange. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 15, 2017 23:46:33 GMT
Yes blame racist behaviors on me Clair. That makes a lot of sense! Who was I arguing with? What was the basis of their argument because I totally missed it. And what's the problem for the record? Was it identified in this thread? Who could actually dispute what I am saying? FTR White women don't like to see black women win. White women don't like to see each other win. What a lot of us, I think, have a problem with is that you make blanket statements - like "White women don't like to see black women win. White women don't like to see each other win." I do believe that there are some white women for whom those statements ring true, BUT NOT ALL. And you alienate many people when you make such sweeping statements. I don't think that you can prove those statements to be true for all white women. I know it's not true for me, so right there you have one contradiction. There are many more women who cheer on successful women - and males - and actively work to help people succeed. (I'm guessing when you say 'win' you mean being successful and /or powerful, not just 'winning' an election or a tennis match?) I'd never say that I know what it feels like to walk in your shoes. Based on the anger I feel when I read about people like the 19-year-old tiny black woman 'mistaken' for a bald taller man, manhandled by police and arrested for resisting, I'm going to assume that your anger is much stronger than mine. Anger can spur people to action and thus can be a good thing. It can also prevent people from really seeing and hearing what's being said and done. I don't know that any apology will do what you want. Should every white person in this country apologize to all black people? The generations of my family in this country before me had nothing to do with slavery. Some individuals had prejudices but I've seen each succeeding generation change. Am I aware that there is 'white privilege' and that I have benefitted from that? Yes. However, I had no more control over being born white than you had over your birth. I do what I can, in my job as a teacher, to make sure that ALL my students get the best education from me as possible, so that they can present themselves in ways that will help them succeed in life, no matter what race or ethnicity. It saddens me that some of my students may have extra challenges because of circumstances of their birth. If you have conceprete ideas of how to work on those issues, please share them. I'm sure that financial reparations, which you've indicated you want to see, are an impossible nightmare that will never happen. I'm not sure that putting energy into that type of goal would serve anyone well. I appreciate the time you took to response. I don't think reparations is an impossible nightmare. I think the record keeping was stellar. Have you researched Thomas Jeffersons estate. He made the formula used to calculate the increase from raping enslaved women. We know Georgetown can quantify the monetary value of the slaves that saved the university from ruin in 1838. Wouldn't your children benefit from being able to attend Georgetown because of the sacrifice of their ancestors. 45 is president of the free world because of OLD MONEY. Not merit. I think we know the labor that enslaved Africans provided is what this country was built on. I think we know the contributions people of color have made and continue to make. So impossible no. A nightmare for people who don't really want to say sorry likely yes. On the topic of anger. Certainly I'm angry about the life experiences I've been forced to have but really think about the nature of black people. Could Sally Hemmings have killed Thomas Jefferson one night after he was passed out from raping her? When my ancestors were freed why was there not bloodshed and beheaded plantation owners? When Roof killed those 9 black parishioners, it took less than 48 hours for the SURVIVORS to talk about forgiving Roof why? Black people are obviously a lot less angry than we are given credit for. No one wants to talk about the mental health issues black people must face watching their brutalization on loop screen. I get that my sweeping generalizations may alienate people but that hasn't stopped white people has it? Its been working okay for you guys right?
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