bethany102399
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Post by bethany102399 on Jan 10, 2018 18:23:06 GMT
I don't think she will be happy with anything else. Let me say this very clearly. Her happiness is not your problem. In this instance anyways. They created the mess, they get to live with it. I get your need to take care of the out of town family. Treat it like a family reunion, block off hotel rooms, plan dinner and that's it. Tell the bride and groom in no uncertain terms you're out. My skeptical side says they have no $$ and want you to pay for it. My less skeptical side says they just have no idea the planning that goes into that big of an event, and are wildly unprepared for what's going to happen. I know it's hard, and I'm sorry.
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Post by mom on Jan 10, 2018 18:32:17 GMT
Ok so I went back looking through your posts - what happened to the invitations you had made and taken to the PO to weigh? And she already picked her colors? What happened to those?
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 10, 2018 18:35:14 GMT
You need to just let them fail at this. This is THEIR wedding. These are THEIR decisions that they are making between the two of them. They are grown ups. Clearly they do not care about their wedding. If they did they would be making more of an effort. Let it go, and let it be.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 10, 2018 18:44:15 GMT
You need to just let them fail at this. This is THEIR wedding. These are THEIR decisions that they are making between the two of them. They are grown ups. Clearly they do not care about their wedding. If they did they would be making more of an effort. Let it go, and let it be. ^^^ agreed. Not to be too callous about it, but they are now each other's family / first priority, right? That's the way it works when you become a couple and 'leave' your family to create a new family with your spouse... so it's on them to have the wedding the way they want it, or to find out on their own that it's a lot more work than they thought. If they ask for help at that point, then you could start helping out. It's not 'your' wedding as a parent to 'show them off' in some way to your extended family; it's the entire group of family / friends coming together to celebrate THEIR union together as a new family unit. So they get to have the wedding ceremony / celebration that they want. (ETA: and if the wedding they end up having isn't the wedding they actually wanted, well- that's on them... you've tried multiple times to assist, and for whatever reason, they don't seem to be movitated.)
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Post by beaglemom on Jan 10, 2018 18:58:58 GMT
In the past year since they have set a wedding date they have gone to Disneyland 5 times. Each time has been 3 days/2 nights in a hotel (the last time saying at the California Grand Hotel). We feel (and have vocalized it to them) that if they can afford to go to DL that many times in a year they can afford to pay for their wedding. They live with her parents, have no expenses except a $250 car payment. He works full time and she works 16 hours a week. Based on this we have chosen not to give them money for the wedding. Yeah, they (the bride and groom) are oblivious. We recently stayed at the grand Californian - only because i had been saving up the rewards from my Disney Visa for 2 years. It was $800+ a night. The cheapest I have ever seen it is $500 a night. The priorities seem out of wack!
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Post by Jili on Jan 10, 2018 19:07:57 GMT
I have read this thread and followed this story over the years, too. As everyone else is throwing in their 2 cents, I might as well do the same. My thought is that they're sitting back just hoping that you will do it all, and pay the bills while you are at it. Otherwise it makes no sense-- it seems that she would have been all over the details-- the dress, flowers, etc. With this in mind, I like BurningFeather's advice about giving them some cash amount that you'd feel comfortable with, and then bowing out gracefully. I think it makes the best sense at this point. I also want to add that I think it's a little harsh to say that you don't like her, aren't making her feel welcome, etc. I don't see that. It seems to me that you're very hesitant about them taking a step like this while they're so young and immature. I don't see it as being negative about her personally. Besides, I've seen your family photos and from my limited perspective, it seems to me that you've done a lot of relationship building with these two over the past couple of years. I think you're trying to make the best of a tough situation.
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Post by needmysanity on Jan 10, 2018 19:25:16 GMT
I have read this thread and followed this story over the years, too. As everyone else is throwing in their 2 cents, I might as well do the same. My thought is that they're sitting back just hoping that you will do it all, and pay the bills while you are at it. Otherwise it makes no sense-- it seems that she would have been all over the details-- the dress, flowers, etc. With this in mind, I like BurningFeather's advice about giving them some cash amount that you'd feel comfortable with, and then bowing out gracefully. I think it makes the best sense at this point. I also want to add that I think it's a little harsh to say that you don't like her, aren't making her feel welcome, etc. I don't see that. It seems to me that you're very hesitant about them taking a step like this while they're so young and immature. I don't see it as being negative about her personally. Besides, I've seen your family photos and from my limited perspective, it seems to me that you've done a lot of relationship building with these two over the past couple of years. I think you're trying to make the best of a tough situation. Thank you - I really appreciate you saying this. I think we have tried our best to get to know her and include her in our family. DH and I have gotten really good at "faking it"
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Post by needmysanity on Jan 10, 2018 19:26:48 GMT
Ok so I went back looking through your posts - what happened to the invitations you had made and taken to the PO to weigh? And she already picked her colors? What happened to those? They were going to be too expensive for their budget so she started looking at other options. That's why I agreed to put $200 toward new ones (since I wasn't making them). Her colors have changed multiple times - I'm not even sure what they are anymore.
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 10, 2018 19:31:21 GMT
So what are you going to do?
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Post by needmysanity on Jan 10, 2018 19:35:08 GMT
So what are you going to do? I will graciously give them suggestions when asked. I will not call and remind them of timelines or things to do. They have the lists so they know what has to be done.
I am going to focus my time and energy on a family dinner the night before, my upcoming 10K race, my special needs teenager at home, my husband and dog. They are my priorities and I will do my best not to stress over this wedding.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 10, 2018 19:39:06 GMT
Ok so I went back looking through your posts - what happened to the invitations you had made and taken to the PO to weigh? And she already picked her colors? What happened to those? They were going to be too expensive for their budget so she started looking at other options. That's why I agreed to put $200 toward new ones (since I wasn't making them). Her colors have changed multiple times - I'm not even sure what they are anymore. Who cares about wedding colors? Seriously, this is just another stupid wedding convention and something else for you to be annoyed by. Will they be any less married if no color scheme is selected?
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 10, 2018 19:39:37 GMT
So what are you going to do? I will graciously give them suggestions when asked. I will not call and remind them of timelines or things to do. They have the lists so they know what has to be done.
I am going to focus my time and energy on a family dinner the night before, my upcoming 10K race, my special needs teenager at home, my husband and dog. They are my priorities and I will do my best not to stress over this wedding.
Good for you! Are you going to tell them that you are out as coordinator? I would, I would tell them that you can't do it because they are not cooperating and that it's now on them. I would say I love y'all and if I can help with something let me know. The End.
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Post by MorningPerson on Jan 10, 2018 19:41:13 GMT
They were going to be too expensive for their budget so she started looking at other options. That's why I agreed to put $200 toward new ones (since I wasn't making them). Her colors have changed multiple times - I'm not even sure what they are anymore. Who cares about wedding colors? Seriously, this is just another stupid wedding convention and something else for you to be annoyed by. Will they be any less married if no color scheme is selected? I think OP was just responding to the question about the bride-to-be having previously picked out colors. I didn't see any indication that she cares. SaveSave
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Post by rodeomom on Jan 10, 2018 19:47:00 GMT
They were going to be too expensive for their budget so she started looking at other options. That's why I agreed to put $200 toward new ones (since I wasn't making them). Her colors have changed multiple times - I'm not even sure what they are anymore. Who cares about wedding colors? Seriously, this is just another stupid wedding convention and something else for you to be annoyed by. Will they be any less married if no color scheme is selected? I think you are forgetting that they ask her to be the coordinator! How can she do that if they keep changing the color scheme. Any coordinator would be upset at the way this couple has behaved. What is even more complicated is the fact that the coordinator is the MOG. It may be a stupid wedding convention but these are the things that a wedding coordinator does.
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Post by needmysanity on Jan 10, 2018 20:07:05 GMT
They were going to be too expensive for their budget so she started looking at other options. That's why I agreed to put $200 toward new ones (since I wasn't making them). Her colors have changed multiple times - I'm not even sure what they are anymore. Who cares about wedding colors? Seriously, this is just another stupid wedding convention and something else for you to be annoyed by. Will they be any less married if no color scheme is selected? I could care less what color they pick. As others have suggested...I'm wearing beige and that goes with everything
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Post by GiantsFan on Jan 10, 2018 20:09:04 GMT
I will graciously give them suggestions when asked. I will not call and remind them of timelines or things to do. They have the lists so they know what has to be done.
I am going to focus my time and energy on a family dinner the night before, my upcoming 10K race, my special needs teenager at home, my husband and dog. They are my priorities and I will do my best not to stress over this wedding.
Good for you! Are you going to tell them that you are out as coordinator? I would, I would tell them that you can't do it because they are not cooperating and that it's now on them. I would say I love y'all and if I can help with something let me know. The End. Although I do agree she needs to tell them she is out as coordinator I would not tell them they are not cooperating. This son was estranged for a while and I'm sure the OP doesn't want that to happen again. OP, have them over for dinner, or meet them for lunch or whatever, but in person with both of them present, you need to say, Hey guys, there are xx days left. I really want to help with the wedding but I'm not sure what you want me to do. When you guys decide then let me know and I will be happy to help. I would not take over any of the planning without their input. Then it will be your wedding and not theirs.
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Post by luckyexwife on Jan 10, 2018 20:18:55 GMT
I have read this thread and followed this story over the years, too. As everyone else is throwing in their 2 cents, I might as well do the same. My thought is that they're sitting back just hoping that you will do it all, and pay the bills while you are at it. Otherwise it makes no sense-- it seems that she would have been all over the details-- the dress, flowers, etc. With this in mind, I like BurningFeather's advice about giving them some cash amount that you'd feel comfortable with, and then bowing out gracefully. I think it makes the best sense at this point. I also want to add that I think it's a little harsh to say that you don't like her, aren't making her feel welcome, etc. I don't see that. It seems to me that you're very hesitant about them taking a step like this while they're so young and immature. I don't see it as being negative about her personally. Besides, I've seen your family photos and from my limited perspective, it seems to me that you've done a lot of relationship building with these two over the past couple of years. I think you're trying to make the best of a tough situation. I agree with this. I think some of the comments on here are far too harsh. The engagement photos you took for them were beautiful, and I can see in your other posts how you have tried to include your future daughter-in-law in things. The only thing I would suggest is that you don't judge them over how they spend their money. You said you weren't paying anything toward the wedding because of how they choose to spend the money they do have, well I would say the way they spend their money is up to them. I would talk with your DH, and come up with whatever amount you feel you are comfortable with. Tell the couple that this is the amount you will give them for the wedding, and that they can use it for whatever part they would like to. Good luck!!
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Post by moodyblue on Jan 10, 2018 20:34:34 GMT
The bride's parents' role, or lack of, sticks out to me.
Based on what you've said about trying to meet them, and the bride talking about her mom being sick, I can't help wondering if she might really have a problem like agoraphobia, anxiety or panic attacks. She might be unable to deal with meeting people or even having people over to her house. I could be way off base, though! Does she work outside the home?
I think I'd do one more conversation with them, asking some really blunt questions - Do they have an officiant? Have they arranged for a photographer? What do they want this wedding to look like? And then remind them that they might have trouble finding people at a late date, which would mean the wedding not happening at all, or scrambling to find an alternate idea.
Then, tell them what you WILL be doing, and remind them that in order for the wedding to happen, THEY have to do these bare minimum things, because you are not and it appears no one else is either.
They seem incredibly clueless and immature, but also very inexperienced.
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Post by pinklady on Jan 10, 2018 20:41:33 GMT
OMG! Get out of your sons business! Your son and is spoiled bride are kids and from what I recall don’t want your opinions but maybe just your money. Back off.
If you’re the wrong pea I’m thinking of then I apologize.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jan 10, 2018 20:49:59 GMT
OMG! Get out of your sons business! Your son and is spoiled bride are kids and from what I recall don’t want your opinions but maybe just your money. Back off. If you’re the wrong pea I’m thinking of then I apologize. Damn, you are the one that needs to back off of needmysanity. She has done exactly what I and many peas would do, and is now just sitting back. She was only doing what was asked, and now that they are difficult and uncooperative, she's throwing her hands up.
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Post by pinklady on Jan 10, 2018 20:56:27 GMT
OMG! Get out of your sons business! Your son and is spoiled bride are kids and from what I recall don’t want your opinions but maybe just your money. Back off. If you’re the wrong pea I’m thinking of then I apologize. Damn, you are the one that needs to back off of needmysanity. She has done exactly what I and many peas would do, and is now just sitting back. She was only doing what was asked, and now that they are difficult and uncooperative, she's throwing her hands up. After reading the entire thread I’m pretty sure I’m remembering the right pea. As someone else already said, she can’t stand her future DIL. If we know this so does the DIL. Honestly, it sounds to me like she just inserts herself in their life and doesn’t like when they don’t do things her way. Her husband is right, back off and let it go. PS, nobody should have made travel arrangements without an invitation, especially considering these to “kids” past. That’s on needsmysanity.
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Post by ladytrisha on Jan 10, 2018 20:58:13 GMT
(admitting I skipped from reading all of page 1 to reading all of page 5). That said ... I think you need to let them know that you're handing over the wedding coordinator duties to them as they simply do not understand what that job entails. I'm guessing that the bride's mom isn't in favor of the wedding and thus she's backpedaled to the point of "what wedding?"
My Mom planned our entire wedding (we were 20 and way too young) but we all knew that it was HER party - we were just the reason for it! It was fine, it's lasted so yay, but hubby and I would never do it to our son.
If they're not willing to spend the time on it, then they believe you'll want to rescue it to save face with out of town family. I'd let the kids know that since nothing is planned, you've now planned day trips to Disneyland, the beach and San Diego and could they let you know when the ceremony is actually scheduled. Sometimes you need to shock some sensibility into them and make them realize that you're not going to do the expected and you're OKAY with walking away from the disaster.
Get a beige sweatshirt and say you're ready for time with family!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2018 21:16:31 GMT
Dinner, tell them you cannot do more, but that you do need a list or number for the rehearsal dinner, if they are having one, because you will be having dinner for out of town family members .......
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Post by LeaP on Jan 10, 2018 21:22:39 GMT
So what are you going to do? I will graciously give them suggestions when asked. I will not call and remind them of timelines or things to do. They have the lists so they know what has to be done.
I am going to focus my time and energy on a family dinner the night before, my upcoming 10K race, my special needs teenager at home, my husband and dog. They are my priorities and I will do my best not to stress over this wedding.
Excellent plan! SaveSave
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 10, 2018 23:14:32 GMT
I think we have tried our best to get to know her and include her in our family. DH and I have gotten really good at "faking it"This statement says so much, and makes me sad for this girl. From experience I can tell you that it is just awful going into a marriage where your future in-laws do not like you and have to "fake it". You may think you are faking it, but rest assured she knows. If you are not very careful, this attitude will come back to bite you. While you are acknowledging what many here are pointing out, I am not sure that you are truly "hearing" what is being said. As for the couple, I wish them the best of luck and hope the wedding turns out well.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 10, 2018 23:21:45 GMT
I have read this thread and followed this story over the years, too. As everyone else is throwing in their 2 cents, I might as well do the same. My thought is that they're sitting back just hoping that you will do it all, and pay the bills while you are at it. Otherwise it makes no sense-- it seems that she would have been all over the details-- the dress, flowers, etc. With this in mind, I like BurningFeather's advice about giving them some cash amount that you'd feel comfortable with, and then bowing out gracefully. I think it makes the best sense at this point. I also want to add that I think it's a little harsh to say that you don't like her, aren't making her feel welcome, etc. I don't see that. It seems to me that you're very hesitant about them taking a step like this while they're so young and immature. I don't see it as being negative about her personally. Besides, I've seen your family photos and from my limited perspective, it seems to me that you've done a lot of relationship building with these two over the past couple of years. I think you're trying to make the best of a tough situation. I wondered about this too.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 10, 2018 23:23:29 GMT
Man, this thread is making me wish my mom was still alive so I could thank her everything she did for me for my wedding. She planned it all and paid for it. I just agreed to whatever she said. I picked the dress and the groom. She liked the dress.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jan 11, 2018 0:13:27 GMT
I have read this thread and followed this story over the years, too. As everyone else is throwing in their 2 cents, I might as well do the same. My thought is that they're sitting back just hoping that you will do it all, and pay the bills while you are at it. Otherwise it makes no sense-- it seems that she would have been all over the details-- the dress, flowers, etc. With this in mind, I like BurningFeather's advice about giving them some cash amount that you'd feel comfortable with, and then bowing out gracefully. I think it makes the best sense at this point. I also want to add that I think it's a little harsh to say that you don't like her, aren't making her feel welcome, etc. I don't see that. It seems to me that you're very hesitant about them taking a step like this while they're so young and immature. I don't see it as being negative about her personally. Besides, I've seen your family photos and from my limited perspective, it seems to me that you've done a lot of relationship building with these two over the past couple of years. I think you're trying to make the best of a tough situation. I wondered about this too. Same.
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Post by seaexplore on Jan 11, 2018 1:23:28 GMT
It's not important to them. You're the nagging mother/mother in law. Step back and if it's a clusterfuck, that's on them, not you. Job of the MIL: Shut up and wear beige. Can I have that in button form? LOL. I love that you are taking this in stride. I came here from the beige thread. Please be sure to update with what actually happens. I'm working my way thru this thread.
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Post by mcscrapper on Jan 11, 2018 2:28:00 GMT
I haven't read all of the posts but if they are less than 90 days out and don't have anything confirmed, I'd wash my hands of this wedding and be done. I'd maybe off $1000 or whatever you feel is reasonable and tell they you will give them that money towards a destination wedding or eloping but give them a dime until they are about to leave for said destination wedding or after the ink is dry on the elopement.
I did a destination wedding last summer and it cost me just over that but I still had some planning to do that required more than 90 days.
Make the offer. If they don't accept, you know you've at least tried.
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