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Post by bc2ca on Jan 25, 2018 20:08:41 GMT
It's either be a traditional wife or career obsessed, nail-biting, manphobic, she devil banshee?
I'm glad this wasn't the thought process my parents used raising me and my sisters.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:10:25 GMT
It's either be a traditional wife or career obsessed, nail-biting, manphobic, she devil banshee? I'm glad this wasn't the thought process my parents used raising me and my sisters. who made this claim? No one I've seen in this thread. Your parents raised you as they saw fit in accordance with their own belief system. I see no problem with this guy doing the same, even if don't agree with his beliefs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 20:10:36 GMT
If you're doing it because you want to/enjoy it then that isn't a problem. If you're doing it because your husband dictates that you do it because, ya know, that's your place then that, is a problem. But even in the latter event, if she's fine with it, then there is no problem. You can't claim to advocate for the rights of women and then turn around and claim that women are not free to make a choice that you don't agree with. If a woman is fine with a man who dictates what she does or doesn't do then she should have at it. I take I'm free to think she's an idiot? |
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:11:06 GMT
Children often have no choice in the rules their parents lay down. When his children are older they will have a choice. Just because you don't personally agree with his parenting decisions doesn't make him a bad person or his decision "wrong". Wait...is this Lauren? OFFS. Do you want to discuss the issue or do you want to play the tired guessing game? |
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:11:37 GMT
But even in the latter event, if she's fine with it, then there is no problem. You can't claim to advocate for the rights of women and then turn around and claim that women are not free to make a choice that you don't agree with. If a woman is fine with a man who dictates what she does or doesn't do then she should have at it. I take I'm free to think she's an idiot? Of course you are. And she's free to think you're a banshee. Ain't freedom great? |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 25, 2018 20:12:32 GMT
OFFS. Do you want to discuss the issue or do you want to play the tired guessing game? I mean, that sounds like a yes. It would just comfort me to know that you're one in the same and there aren't actually more people who think this way. |
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Post by peasapie on Jan 25, 2018 20:13:44 GMT
Oh goodie, the old grammar argument. I don't agree with this guy's viewpoints but if he has a woman who does and they're happy, then good on them. So you don't care about Senators using proper grammar? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 20:13:45 GMT
If a woman is fine with a man who dictates what she does or doesn't do then she should have at it. I take I'm free to think she's an idiot? Of course you are. And she's free to think you're a banshee. Ain't freedom great? You mean she's free to let her husband tell her she thinks I'm a banshee? |
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:13:46 GMT
I've stated again and again and again, that I am not Lauren.
Believe me or not as you choose but stop asking. I'm done answering.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:14:37 GMT
Oh goodie, the old grammar argument. I don't agree with this guy's viewpoints but if he has a woman who does and they're happy, then good on them. So you don't care about Senators using proper grammar? People here only play the grammar game when they want to dismiss someone's point of view. Other than stating that, I'm not interested in a discussion about grammar. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:15:18 GMT
Of course you are. And she's free to think you're a banshee. Ain't freedom great? You mean she's free to let her husband tell her she thinks I'm a banshee? Whatever. if she's fine with it all, it makes no nevermind to me. |
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Post by coffeetalk on Jan 25, 2018 20:16:08 GMT
It's either be a traditional wife or career obsessed, nail-biting, manphobic, she devil banshee? I'm glad this wasn't the thought process my parents used raising me and my sisters.
Your parents raised you as they saw fit in accordance with their own belief system. I see no problem with this guy doing the same, even if don't agree with his beliefs. Courtland said this-“I don’t want them to grow up into career obsessed banshees who forego home life and children and the happiness of family to become nail-biting manphobic hell-bent feminist she devils who shriek from the tops of a thousand tall buildings they think they could they are [sic] think they could have leaped over in a single bound — had men not ‘suppressing them’ [sic]. It’s just nuts. It always was.” Skyes, who clearly doesn’t support women’s rights, concludes the statement, writing, “I support women’s rights, but not the kind that has oppressed natural womanhood for five long decades.” SaveSave |
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Post by peasapie on Jan 25, 2018 20:16:34 GMT
OFFS. Do you want to discuss the issue or do you want to play the tired guessing game? I mean, that sounds like a yes. It would just comfort me to know that you're one in the same and there aren't actually more people who think this way. I think you should just assume that most conservatives here have multiple personas. It's entertaining. |
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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2018 20:16:55 GMT
If he won't even recognize that sexism is a real issue and not one to be denied or mocked then I have no confidence that he will legislate for improvements and I believe strongly that he will do what he can to uphold the status quo.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:17:22 GMT
OK, my mistake. I thought she was saying that someone on this thread had said that.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 25, 2018 20:17:54 GMT
In a good marriage the partners try to meet each other's needs. Needs vary from person to person. I have no problem with this guy stating what kind of partner he needs. I don't take issue with this at all.
The thing I take issue with is not recognizing that individuals are different. My DH doesn't share his thoughts and that is ok. Based on the comments he made about women in general, I have to say I'd be really hesitant to vote for him because he definitely seems like the type to want to legislate his belief system.
And it seems like his generalizations about women are an attempt to discredit women in the workforce. If every woman in my office walked out, I can only imagine the kind of talent we would lose. It makes me very sad to think that he might be the kind of father who will place limits on his daughter's potential.
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Post by gar on Jan 25, 2018 20:18:21 GMT
I've stated again and again and again, that I am not Lauren. Believe me or not as you choose but stop asking. I'm done answering. Cue “I’m done here” swiftly followed by a fluff thread. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:18:29 GMT
If he won't even recognize that sexism is a real issue and not one to be denied or mocked then I have no confidence that he will legislate for improvements and I believe strongly that he will do what he can to uphold the status quo. OK, then if you're in his district, don't vote for him. It's a do-or-die issue for you. For other's it not. |
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Post by peasapie on Jan 25, 2018 20:19:44 GMT
who made this claim? No one I've seen in this thread.
Your parents raised you as they saw fit in accordance with their own belief system. I see no problem with this guy doing the same, even if don't agree with his beliefs. Courtland said this-“I don’t want them to grow up into career obsessed banshees who forego home life and children and the happiness of family to become nail-biting manphobic hell-bent feminist she devils who shriek from the tops of a thousand tall buildings they think they could they are [sic] think they could have leaped over in a single bound — had men not ‘suppressing them’ [sic]. It’s just nuts. It always was.” Skyes, who clearly doesn’t support women’s rights, concludes the statement, writing, “I support women’s rights, but not the kind that has oppressed natural womanhood for five long decades.” SaveSaveI wonder what the definition for natural womanhood might be. |
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Post by Lexica on Jan 25, 2018 20:21:45 GMT
I hope he is fully prepared to support said daughters and their children should the woman's husband become too ill to work or die young. If his darling daughter is not prepared in any way to support her kids, and this was daddy's demands of her, he better get out his checkbook and support her until she falls in love and marries again.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:22:00 GMT
I've stated again and again and again, that I am not Lauren. Believe me or not as you choose but stop asking. I'm done answering. Cue “I’m done here” swiftly followed by a fluff thread. Off topic and serious question: 1. why is a decision to leave a thread something a person is derided for or people call a "hairflip" while if they stay, people claim "oh you always have to have the last word"? (FWIW, back at 2 Peas, the term hairflip had a very, very different connotation than someone saying "I'm leaving this thread". ) 2. why is it that if a person only posts on political threads they're called a shit-stirrer, but if they post on both fluff threads and political they're berated for that as well. Let's face it. If you don't like a person, nothing they do will be right with you and will be fodder for you to attack. I fall in that category. I get it. No matter what I do, you will find fault. That being the case, I'll do as I please and pay no attention to what you say about me. Your only goal is to poke and prod. So have at it. |
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Post by busy on Jan 25, 2018 20:22:28 GMT
Hey, if he can find someone who wants that set up, more power to them both. Consenting adults and all that. But his overall lack of respect for women is troublesome for someone aspiring to be a lawmaker. If the guy tries to enact legislation that requires women to do what he wants his own "woman" to do, then I agree. But simply having the beliefs shouldn't necessarily preclude him from running or keep people from voting for him. IMO I didn’t say anything like he couldn’t run or people couldn’t vote for him. Don’t put words in my mouth. ETA: As long as he’s eligible to run, he can run. Those to think like him can vote for him. And everyone who thinks he’s a boorish excuse for a man who could not possibly represent the ~50% of his proposed constituents who are women can organize against him. That’s not intolerance, it’s participating in democracy. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:25:41 GMT
Sorry if I put words in your mouth. That's how I read your post.
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Post by peasapie on Jan 25, 2018 20:28:11 GMT
Listen I don't blame the guy. I like to come home to a home cooked meal, too. These rules worked well for men for a long time, and when these men left their wives for a younger woman, or cheated or beat them, women had to stay with them because they were either ostracized socially or had no job skills. Or both. Sometimes men were good and didn't do those things, and those women counted themselves as very lucky. Sadly, too many were in the former camp. I'm grateful I grew up in a time and a household where I was taught to be educated and independent and to find a partner who respected my intelligence. This harkening back to the "good old days" reminds me once again of how they were most "good" for white males.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 20:28:40 GMT
I cook dinner at 6 every night. I'm neither barefoot or pregnant. I don't get why one must be barefoot and pregnant to fix food for her family. It’s a phrase. No, it's a stereotype. Not all stay at home moms or wives who enjoy cooking are ignorant good for nothing but baby making machines. |
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jan 25, 2018 20:29:08 GMT
Children often have no choice in the rules their parents lay down. When his children are older they will have a choice. Just because you don't personally agree with his parenting decisions doesn't make him a bad person or his decision "wrong". Wait...is this Lauren? Yes. |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jan 25, 2018 20:30:43 GMT
The problem is it doesn't sound like his daughters have any choice or say in the matter. If you don't see a problem with that I can't help you. Children often have no choice in the rules their parents lay down. When his children are older they will have a choice. Just because you don't personally agree with his parenting decisions doesn't make him a bad person or his decision "wrong". So, Lauren, does this mean that you think someone like, say, David Turpin isn't a bad person, or that his decisions are not 'wrong'? Oh wait, his adult children didn't have a choice until they were rescued. |
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:32:51 GMT
Listen I don't blame the guy. I like to come home to a home cooked meal, too. These rules worked well for men for a long time, and when these men left their wives for a younger woman, or cheated or beat them, women had to stay with them because they were either ostracized socially or had no job skills. Or both. Sometimes men were good and didn't do those things, and those women counted themselves as very lucky. Sadly, too many were in the former camp. I'm grateful I grew up in a time and a household where I was taught to be educated and independent and to find a partner who respected my intelligence. This harkening back to the "good old days" reminds me once again of how they were most "good" for white males. I agree 100% with most of what you say. However, there are women who also feel that those were the "good old days". which is why I have no problem if both partners in the relationship are on the same page. I couldn't live like that, but if they want to, that's their choice. No one has the right to tell them they must do it different or raise their children differently. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 25, 2018 20:42:34 GMT
Listen I don't blame the guy. I like to come home to a home cooked meal, too. These rules worked well for men for a long time, and when these men left their wives for a younger woman, or cheated or beat them, women had to stay with them because they were either ostracized socially or had no job skills. Or both. Sometimes men were good and didn't do those things, and those women counted themselves as very lucky. Sadly, too many were in the former camp. I'm grateful I grew up in a time and a household where I was taught to be educated and independent and to find a partner who respected my intelligence. This harkening back to the "good old days" reminds me once again of how they were most "good" for white males. I agree 100% with most of what you say. However, there are women who also feel that those were the "good old days". which is why I have no problem if both partners in the relationship are on the same page. I couldn't live like that, but if they want to, that's their choice. No one has the right to tell them they must do it different or raise their children differently. Did you read the link? If you did, then you will realize this guy is judging women in the workforce even harsher than most peas are judging him. |
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Post by hop2 on Jan 25, 2018 20:46:14 GMT
A) I am done voting for mysoginists
B) I’d have been perfectly happy to remain a wife and cook dinner everyday but the option was no longer open for me so now I have to become a career obsessed banshee. Well that or go on welfare or be homeless or whatever.
C) I’m done voting for narrow minded people who say things I find antiquated.
And yes I do realize that people can hold different beliefs for themselves than they feel ought to be legislated. I don’t personally believe in abortion and yet I believe in the fact that the government should not legislate that belief of mine on other women. Many people can separate thier beliefs from law.
I do not get the feeling from his statement that he’s fully capable of that separation. So if I lived in that state I’d be glad he made the statement - helps me have all the information I may need to vote
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