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Post by coffeetalk on Jan 25, 2018 18:57:26 GMT
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 19:00:34 GMT
I this is what he wants and he finds a woman who wants the same thing, what's the problem?
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Post by lucyg on Jan 25, 2018 19:04:17 GMT
It's no problem at all, if you think women should be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. We have a complete right to think other people's lifestyle choices are sucky. Republicans have been doing it for generations.
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Post by Peal on Jan 25, 2018 19:06:16 GMT
I kinda want the same thing, I don't even care if it's home cooked.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 19:09:09 GMT
It's no problem at all, if you think women should be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. We have a complete right to think other people's lifestyle choices are sucky. Republicans have been doing it for generations. Yes, you can "think" that. But then, stop berating others who "think" gay marriage is an abomination, or illegal immigrants should be deported etc. Democrats have been touting their own right to speak their opinions while berating others who disagree with them for doing the same thing for generations. Democrats (and liberals) tout their belief for tolerance of other view points and then are shocked and outraged that others may actually have other view points. Just as another's gay marriage affects no one but the people involved, this guy's desire for a particular type of wife affects no one but himself and his wife. Do women's rights to do as they please only apply when the women think like you do? (rhetorical question; I know the answer)
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Post by Prenticekid on Jan 25, 2018 19:11:20 GMT
If he's going home to and getting that meal from a fiancee, instead of a wife, wouldn't that be a problem to the people that typically espouse that scenario?
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Post by katlaw on Jan 25, 2018 19:11:32 GMT
"The statement is a full-page rant blasting feminists and blaming former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s failed presidential run on millennial women who “look at her personal life’s wreckage and didn’t want to become like her.” Sykes, without defining how exactly “radical” feminists define modern womanhood, says feminists made up the definition of modern womanhood “to suit their own nasty, snake-filled heads.”
In an addition to an assault on women’s rights, Sykes mounts an assault on all accepted grammatical standards when he outlines his ideal life for his own someday daughters, bless their poor hearts.
“I don’t want them to grow up into career obsessed banshees who forego home life and children and the happiness of family to become nail-biting manphobic hell-bent feminist she devils who shriek from the tops of a thousand tall buildings they think they could they are [sic] think they could have leaped over in a single bound — had men not ‘suppressing them’ [sic]. It’s just nuts. It always was.”
Well....I guess maybe that explains his supporters - women with nasty, snake filled heads. Or career obsessed banshees need not apply.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 19:13:10 GMT
Oh goodie, the old grammar argument.
I don't agree with this guy's viewpoints but if he has a woman who does and they're happy, then good on them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 19:14:25 GMT
I this is what he wants and he finds a woman who wants the same thing, what's the problem? I agree. Not my choice of lifestyle but I have a few friends (Christian, some democratic, some repubblican, some down the middle) who have very traditional marriages and they are quite happy. If that is what you want and if it makes you happy, cool! Now while I am a sahm by choice and due to the circumstances given to me with 2 medical asd kids, dh does not expect dinner at a specific time each night because that is not who he is. He sees and values me more than a woman slave. I do however to choose to cook homemade meals almost every night because I enjoy it and I see it as a way to help dh and the kids.
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Post by coffeetalk on Jan 25, 2018 19:21:25 GMT
It's no problem at all, if you think women should be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. We have a complete right to think other people's lifestyle choices are sucky. Republicans have been doing it for generations. Yes, you can "think" that. But then, stop berating others who "think" gay marriage is an abomination, or illegal immigrants should be deported etc. Democrats have been touting their own right to speak their opinions while berating others who disagree with them for doing the same thing for generations. Democrats (and liberals) tout their belief for tolerance of other view points and then are shocked and outraged that others may actually have other view points.Just as another's gay marriage affects no one but the people involved, this guy's desire for a particular type of wife affects no one but himself and his wife. Do women's rights to do as they please only apply when the women think like you do? (rhetorical question; I know the answer) No shock and no outrage here, my reaction was to giggle chortle and an eyeroll. Hey, whatever floats one's boat. Go for it, Courtland! SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by busy on Jan 25, 2018 19:23:05 GMT
Hey, if he can find someone who wants that set up, more power to them both. Consenting adults and all that.
But his overall lack of respect for women is troublesome for someone aspiring to be a lawmaker.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 25, 2018 19:25:53 GMT
Yea, my ex misses that dinner I used to make lol
And fine mr senate candidate find yourself a wife who’s ok with that, great. Doesn’t mean everybody has to. People are all different. Try not to legislate my life to mimick yours, it’s not like your sharing your sakarybwith everyone else
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Post by eleezybeth on Jan 25, 2018 19:29:52 GMT
I this is what he wants and he finds a woman who wants the same thing, what's the problem? Ugh. I'll bite. Take one for the team. I'm also going to pretend that "what's the problem" is not rhetorical and you actually want to have a conversation about what the problem is. Okay? Deal? It's sexist. If you want to be in a relationship with a sexist, then yes, go be with your sexist partner. The one who will have only his daughters learn to fix meals. His sons, will not fix dinner. Maybe he will on the 7th night - maybe. But you are a smart lady, certainly you had to believe that there is something just a bit more to this conversation... Right? Or were you just looking to fight? Let me continue... To be a woman with any ambition to be anything other than a homemaker is to have a head full of snakes. So... sure, if you want to marry this guy then YES! Do it! But, this guy is planning on becoming a representative of our country. The one who makes the laws, sets the scene back 50 years. Hindering the progress of women has been proven to be detrimental for society. Not a lot of stay at home moms are curing cancer or creating miracles. Sure, he can have any belief that he wants and I hope he surrounds himself with the kind of people he wants - it is after all what we do as humans. But his beliefs are a threat to my abilities and those abilities of my daughters when he puts them into an election campaign. What would your life be if you hadn't been allowed to go to law school? Hopefully that helps you understand "what's the problem?" at least from my perspective. As you point out the hypocritical nature of this conversation below, I'd also like your team to defend how "Muslim ideals are bad" but still defend this style of thinking in America. How about the "sanctity" of marriage with a thrice divorced president? How about "we care for all children" when in reality it means unborn children?
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 19:31:27 GMT
Hey, if he can find someone who wants that set up, more power to them both. Consenting adults and all that. But his overall lack of respect for women is troublesome for someone aspiring to be a lawmaker. If the guy tries to enact legislation that requires women to do what he wants his own "woman" to do, then I agree. But simply having the beliefs shouldn't necessarily preclude him from running or keep people from voting for him. IMO
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jan 25, 2018 19:33:19 GMT
There is a lid for every pot. If he finds a partner who wants what he wants, great, but he shouldn't expect every marriage to mirror his own.
His bashing of women (feminists) who want to pursue careers outside the home or whom are looking for equality makes him look like a Neanderthal.
There is no. way. in. hell. I. would. vote. for. him or anyone like him.
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Post by freebird on Jan 25, 2018 19:34:34 GMT
If that's what she wants too, isn't that the truest sense of feminism? The woman gets to do exactly the job she dreams of? If that's what she wants, so be it. Maybe it's antiquated, but it's their antiquated house, not mine so it doesn't affect me at all.
Now, if he has expectations of other women not inside his household (or in, that don't want to) then that's a bigger issue.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 19:38:55 GMT
I this is what he wants and he finds a woman who wants the same thing, what's the problem? Ugh. I'll bite. Take one for the team. I'm also going to pretend that "what's the problem" is not rhetorical and you actually want to have a conversation about what the problem is. Okay? Deal? It's sexist. If you want to be in a relationship with a sexist, then yes, go be with your sexist partner. The one who will have only his daughters learn to fix meals. His sons, will not fix dinner. Maybe he will on the 7th night - maybe. But you are a smart lady, certainly you had to believe that there is something just a bit more to this conversation... Right? Or were you just looking to fight? Let me continue... To be a woman with any ambition to be anything other than a homemaker is to have a head full of snakes. So... sure, if you want to marry this guy then YES! Do it! But, this guy is planning on becoming a representative of our country. The one who makes the laws, sets the scene back 50 years. Hindering the progress of women has been proven to be detrimental for society. Not a lot of stay at home moms are curing cancer or creating miracles. Sure, he can have any belief that he wants and I hope he surrounds himself with the kind of people he wants - it is after all what we do as humans. But his beliefs are a threat to my abilities and those abilities of my daughters when he puts them into an election campaign. What would your life be if you hadn't been allowed to go to law school? Hopefully that helps you understand "what's the problem?" at least from my perspective. As you point out the hypocritical nature of this conversation below, I'd also like your team to defend how "Muslim ideals are bad" but still defend this style of thinking in America. How about the "sanctity" of marriage with a thrice divorced president? How about "we care for all children" when in reality it means unborn children? 1. Not looking to fight as you ask. simply advocating a "live and let live" philosophy. 2. As I said in the previous post, if he tries to enact legislation that hinders women, then yes, I agree that's a problem. BUT, the mere fact that he thinks this way doesn't mean he will do this. I'd need to hear his platform rather than relying on the fact that he wishes for certain things from his fiance or the women in his own life. 3. Never went to law school; you're clearly jumping on the "she must be Lauren" bandwagon. 4. I have no problem with Muslim ideals as long as they are not forced on me or legislated (same as I feel about this guy) 5. You seem to feel that because a person holds on to certain values, they must subscribe to every value you perceive to go hand-in-hand with those values. This is a fallacy in logic. 6. Personally, I couldn't care less how often someone else is married. I care about myself and my marriage. It is important to me that I not have an affair and it is important to me that my spouse not have one. I still believe in the sanctity of marriage. My thoughts here are not mutually exclusive. 7. Your last comment about children conflates too many issues to address in the manner you seem to want me to address them.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jan 25, 2018 19:39:52 GMT
I don't think anyone has a problem with his desire to be married to a woman who wants to fill the traditional role in their marriage.
It's all the other CRAP he spewed that is the problem.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 19:41:16 GMT
One thing to consider: ironically, some of the best leaders in history were rotten husbands/fathers and some of the best husbands/fathers were the worst or most ineffectual leaders.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 19:43:07 GMT
It's no problem at all, if you think women should be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. We have a complete right to think other people's lifestyle choices are sucky. Republicans have been doing it for generations. I cook dinner at 6 every night. I'm neither barefoot or pregnant. I don't get why one must be barefoot and pregnant to fix food for her family.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 19:45:29 GMT
Apparently, Julieotte, your lifestyle choice is sucky and people should be free to tell you so.
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Post by coffeetalk on Jan 25, 2018 19:49:33 GMT
If that's what she wants too, isn't that the truest sense of feminism? The woman gets to do exactly the job she dreams of? If that's what she wants, so be it. Maybe it's antiquated, but it's their antiquated house, not mine so it doesn't affect me at all. Now, if he has expectations of other women not inside his household (or in, that don't want to) then that's a bigger issue. The following is what I wish I had quoted from the article in my OP. I think the guy is a nut-job! SaveSave
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Post by gar on Jan 25, 2018 19:51:01 GMT
It's no problem at all, if you think women should be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. We have a complete right to think other people's lifestyle choices are sucky. Republicans have been doing it for generations. I cook dinner at 6 every night. I'm neither barefoot or pregnant. I don't get why one must be barefoot and pregnant to fix food for her family. It’s a phrase.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 25, 2018 19:51:46 GMT
I this is what he wants and he finds a woman who wants the same thing, what's the problem? The problem is it doesn't sound like his daughters have any choice or say in the matter. If you don't see a problem with that I can't help you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 19:55:20 GMT
If you're doing it because you want to/enjoy it then that isn't a problem. If you're doing it because your husband dictates that you do it because, ya know, that's your place then that, is a problem.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:01:06 GMT
I this is what he wants and he finds a woman who wants the same thing, what's the problem? The problem is it doesn't sound like his daughters have any choice or say in the matter. If you don't see a problem with that I can't help you. Children often have no choice in the rules their parents lay down. When his children are older they will have a choice. Just because you don't personally agree with his parenting decisions doesn't make him a bad person or his decision "wrong".
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 25, 2018 20:01:08 GMT
sharing an official statement on his campaign Facebook page demanding he always come home to a home-cooked dinner made by his fiancée. If he's going home to and getting that meal from a fiancee, instead of a wife, wouldn't that be a problem to the people that typically espouse that scenario? Party of family values? It doesn't matter to me how he lives or with whom, but don't tell me how to live or with whom!
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:02:09 GMT
If you're doing it because you want to/enjoy it then that isn't a problem. If you're doing it because your husband dictates that you do it because, ya know, that's your place then that, is a problem. But even in the latter event, if she's fine with it, then there is no problem. You can't claim to advocate for the rights of women and then turn around and claim that women are not free to make a choice that you don't agree with.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 20:03:12 GMT
sharing an official statement on his campaign Facebook page demanding he always come home to a home-cooked dinner made by his fiancée. If he's going home to and getting that meal from a fiancee, instead of a wife, wouldn't that be a problem to the people that typically espouse that scenario? Party of family values? It doesn't matter to me how he lives or with whom, but don't tell me how to live or with whom! Agreed. But, he can have his thoughts and beliefs and is as free to express them as you are free to express your opposing belief.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 25, 2018 20:06:22 GMT
The problem is it doesn't sound like his daughters have any choice or say in the matter. If you don't see a problem with that I can't help you. Children often have no choice in the rules their parents lay down. When his children are older they will have a choice. Just because you don't personally agree with his parenting decisions doesn't make him a bad person or his decision "wrong". Wait...is this Lauren?
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