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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2018 20:46:21 GMT
It's either be a traditional wife or career obsessed, nail-biting, manphobic, she devil banshee? I'm glad this wasn't the thought process my parents used raising me and my sisters. who made this claim? No one I've seen in this thread. Your parents raised you as they saw fit in accordance with their own belief system. I see no problem with this guy doing the same, even if don't agree with his beliefs. I recognize that it his right to raise his children as he sees fit. However, it concerns me when any parent passes on their sexist, racist, and otherwise judgemental and discriminatory beliefs. No, I don't feel it is my place to intervene, but the problem it that it negatively affects all of society and it saddens me.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 21:00:51 GMT
I agree 100% with most of what you say. However, there are women who also feel that those were the "good old days". which is why I have no problem if both partners in the relationship are on the same page. I couldn't live like that, but if they want to, that's their choice. No one has the right to tell them they must do it different or raise their children differently. Did you read the link? If you did, then you will realize this guy is judging women in the workforce even harsher than most peas are judging him. I get that. We all judge. It's done here daily. As I said, he's entitled to his opinion, can state it vociferously, can raise his kids (boys and girls) as he sees fit. If he tries to legislate his beliefs, then I have problem with him.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 21:02:29 GMT
who made this claim? No one I've seen in this thread. Your parents raised you as they saw fit in accordance with their own belief system. I see no problem with this guy doing the same, even if don't agree with his beliefs. I recognize that it his right to raise his children as he sees fit. However, it concerns me when any parent passes on their sexist, racist, and otherwise judgemental and discriminatory beliefs. No, I don't feel it is my place to intervene, but the problem it that it negatively affects all of society and it saddens me. I get that. I really do. However, I'm sure this guy and many others feel that extreme feminism is doing the same thing. Others believe that political correctness is also negatively affecting all of society and are saddened by it. Each side believes they are in the "right" and that the other side is "bad".
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 21:03:58 GMT
Whoa. did you read the entire thread? I was being facetious. It was Lucy who called that choice Sucky, not me. Perhaps you should read the entire thread from the beginning and then come back and apologize for your own harsh and unwarranted words. I was supporting the right of women to do just what Julieotte says she does every night.
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Post by beaglemom on Jan 25, 2018 21:05:21 GMT
It's no problem at all, if you think women should be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. We have a complete right to think other people's lifestyle choices are sucky. Republicans have been doing it for generations. I just had a very good laugh at myself over this comment. I consider myself very liberal. But at the moment I am barefoot, pregnant, and frosting cupcakes.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 25, 2018 21:06:23 GMT
Did you read the link? If you did, then you will realize this guy is judging women in the workforce even harsher than most peas are judging him. I get that. We all judge. It's done here daily. As I said, he's entitled to his opinion, can state it vociferously, can raise his kids (boys and girls) as he sees fit. If he tries to legislate his beliefs, then I have problem with him. Then why on Earth were you so hand slappy? Why did you immediately get defensive of this guy who made huge sweeping nasty comments about working women? What is your motive? I don't get it. It seems like you just wanted to argue.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 21:08:04 GMT
Yeah, that's it. I just want to argue. My motive; to piss you off. Happy now? I really thought you were better than resorting to that kind of comment. Guess I was wrong.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2018 21:11:29 GMT
I recognize that it his right to raise his children as he sees fit. However, it concerns me when any parent passes on their sexist, racist, and otherwise judgemental and discriminatory beliefs. No, I don't feel it is my place to intervene, but the problem it that it negatively affects all of society and it saddens me. I get that. I really do. However, I'm sure this guy and many others feel that extreme feminism is doing the same thing. Others believe that political correctness is also negatively affecting all of society and are saddened by it. Each side believes they are in the "right" and that the other side is "bad". I'm very comfortable saying sexism, racism, homophobia and discrimination are bad. Full stop.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 21:12:44 GMT
Shrug. and apparently, he's very comfortable with what he says. Period.
You simply prove my point.
this is exactly why the US is so divided. Each side things they have God on their side (figuratively), firmly believes the other side is dead wrong and is fine with no compromise.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 25, 2018 21:17:37 GMT
It's either be a traditional wife or career obsessed, nail-biting, manphobic, she devil banshee? I'm glad this wasn't the thought process my parents used raising me and my sisters. who made this claim? No one I've seen in this thread. Your parents raised you as they saw fit in accordance with their own belief system. I see no problem with this guy doing the same, even if don't agree with his beliefs. Did you read the OP? They were the two choices offered by Courtland Sykes. I didn't see any evidence he thinks there is a middle ground.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 21:18:47 GMT
I don't see a whole lot of "middle ground" here either.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 25, 2018 21:19:39 GMT
Yeah, that's it. I just want to argue. My motive; to piss you off. Happy now? I really thought you were better than resorting to that kind of comment. Guess I was wrong. Now you're mad at me for *asking* you what your motive is? Why? I want to know where you're coming from. Some people on this thread insulted his lifestyle. Most people on this thread myself included said we live and let live. His comments were vile. They were an insult to every working woman. Most likely he means you too. I am wondering why you would defend that? I am sincerely blown away by it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 25, 2018 21:36:01 GMT
ime. “I want to come home to a home cooked dinner at six every night, one that she fixes and one that I expect one day to have daughters learn to fix after they become traditional homemakers and family wives,” Courtland Sykes said in the statement. “Think Norman Rockwell here and Gloria Steinem be damned.” Hope his long term goal is NOT going to Washington DC. He would miss a lot of home made dinners on the table at 6PM.
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Post by pinklady on Jan 25, 2018 21:39:49 GMT
It's no problem at all, if you think women should be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. We have a complete right to think other people's lifestyle choices are sucky. Republicans have been doing it for generations. Yes, you can "think" that. But then, stop berating others who "think" gay marriage is an abomination, or illegal immigrants should be deported etc. Democrats have been touting their own right to speak their opinions while berating others who disagree with them for doing the same thing for generations. Democrats (and liberals) tout their belief for tolerance of other view points and then are shocked and outraged that others may actually have other view points. Just as another's gay marriage affects no one but the people involved, this guy's desire for a particular type of wife affects no one but himself and his wife. Do women's rights to do as they please only apply when the women think like you do? (rhetorical question; I know the answer) You can “think” whatever you want. In return, I can “think” you are an asshole and tell you that you are an asshole for your beliefs. However, you want to put laws or people who make laws in place to force your beliefs on me or my life, BIGLY WRONG. you = general you
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 21:45:22 GMT
The problem is it doesn't sound like his daughters have any choice or say in the matter. If you don't see a problem with that I can't help you. Children often have no choice in the rules their parents lay down. When his children are older they will have a choice. Just because you don't personally agree with his parenting decisions doesn't make him a bad person or his decision "wrong". The problem comes when the girl child becomes a young adult and no longer wishes to follow the dad's dictates. Will she have the support if her family or will he kuck out because she no longer follows his beliefs. And I have experience here I was expected to give my life in servitude to my family. I was expected to wait on them, take care of everybody's babies and the elderly when they needed it. My parents sent me to nursing school so I would be prepared to do just this. I left, my father died, and I did keep up with my mother. Until the day she screamed at me that my children were not her real grandchildren. AND how dare I have them, and get married. I was supposed to take of her and it was my fault my father died, because I wasn't take care of him. And my cousins had to put their children in daycare because I wasn't there to watch them. I never spoke to my mother again.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 25, 2018 21:53:54 GMT
I was expected to give my life in servitude to my family. I was expected to wait on them, take care of everybody's babies and the elderly when they needed it. So very sorry. I am glad you have overcome that.
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 25, 2018 21:54:56 GMT
If he's going home to and getting that meal from a fiancee, instead of a wife, wouldn't that be a problem to the people that typically espouse that scenario? That was my first thought as well!
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jan 25, 2018 22:09:30 GMT
Hey, if he can find someone who wants that set up, more power to them both. Consenting adults and all that. But his overall lack of respect for women is troublesome for someone aspiring to be a lawmaker. The bolded part is where one's private life/beliefs become open to public discussion and, yes, judgement. There is no way a person who holds the beliefs expressed by Sykes is going to faithfully represent the needs and desires *all* his/her constituents.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 25, 2018 22:12:57 GMT
Holy hell. If I were that woman I would run as fast and far away from that man ASAP.
Never mind. I would never be with a man who saw so little value in me because my parents did not raise me to only value those “traditional”!beliefs and roles. Or if they did, I flat out rejected them because they’re insane.
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Post by #notLauren on Jan 25, 2018 22:13:01 GMT
Hey, if he can find someone who wants that set up, more power to them both. Consenting adults and all that. But his overall lack of respect for women is troublesome for someone aspiring to be a lawmaker. The bolded part is where one's private life/beliefs become open to public discussion and, yes, judgement. There is no way a person who holds the beliefs expressed by Sykes is going to faithfully represent the needs and desires *all* his/her constituents. You’re most likely right. But here in the US, no elected official represents the needs and desires of *all* his constituents
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Post by hop2 on Jan 25, 2018 22:13:56 GMT
Hey, if he can find someone who wants that set up, more power to them both. Consenting adults and all that. But his overall lack of respect for women is troublesome for someone aspiring to be a lawmaker. The bolded part is where one's private life/beliefs become open to public discussion and, yes, judgement. There is no way a person who holds the beliefs expressed by Sykes is going to faithfully represent the needs and desires *all* his/her constituents. See I could separate what *I* feel is right from what I would vote into law. Many people can. But your right the way he states his beliefs leaves me doubtful that he can make that distinction.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2018 22:22:50 GMT
Shrug. and apparently, he's very comfortable with what he says. Period. You simply prove my point. this is exactly why the US is so divided. Each side things they have God on their side (figuratively), firmly believes the other side is dead wrong and is fine with no compromise. It is one thing to hold a belief, I will defend anyone's right to do so. It is entirely another to use your beliefs to discriminate and say hateful things about people who are different based on sex, color, nationality, religion, etc. There should be no compromise on this.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 25, 2018 22:27:21 GMT
The bolded part is where one's private life/beliefs become open to public discussion and, yes, judgement. There is no way a person who holds the beliefs expressed by Sykes is going to faithfully represent the needs and desires *all* his/her constituents. You’re most likely right. But here in the US, no elected official represents the needs and desires of *all* his constituents That's fair. But shouldn't he be able to speak of and to those he disagrees with with respect?
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Post by casii on Jan 25, 2018 22:29:34 GMT
Wow, 3 pages in 3 hours. Well done.
I too would like to come home to a hot meal each night. In fact, DH is cooking me Chicken sausage, apple and goat cheese pizza tonight. We both cook.
This guy's attack on women who don't meet his narrow parameters of true womanhood is small minded and rooted in his need for control, not a loving relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 22:32:56 GMT
I was expected to give my life in servitude to my family. I was expected to wait on them, take care of everybody's babies and the elderly when they needed it. So very sorry. I am glad you have overcome that. Thank you I have my moments. Everytime somebody says they don't have a driver's license, makes me very twitchy. Girls that get married at 18/19 because that is what is expected....that makes me very twitchy. Edited to add: Men that disrespect their spouses by spouting shit like this makes me very very twitchy. Yes this is f'ing disrespecting. He should be saying how humbled and grateful that he has found a partner that cares for him so much and how he could never be thankful enough for her support.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jan 25, 2018 22:33:23 GMT
1. Not looking to fight as you ask. simply advocating a "live and let live" philosophy. 2. As I said in the previous post, if he tries to enact legislation that hinders women, then yes, I agree that's a problem. BUT, the mere fact that he thinks this way doesn't mean he will do this. I'd need to hear his platform rather than relying on the fact that he wishes for certain things from his fiance or the women in his own life. 3. Never went to law school; you're clearly jumping on the "she must be Lauren" bandwagon. 4. I have no problem with Muslim ideals as long as they are not forced on me or legislated (same as I feel about this guy) 5. You seem to feel that because a person holds on to certain values, they must subscribe to every value you perceive to go hand-in-hand with those values. This is a fallacy in logic. 6. Personally, I couldn't care less how often someone else is married. I care about myself and my marriage. It is important to me that I not have an affair and it is important to me that my spouse not have one. I still believe in the sanctity of marriage. My thoughts here are not mutually exclusive. 7. Your last comment about children conflates too many issues to address in the manner you seem to want me to address them. 1. Oh! This is advocating! Good to know. To me that means you are absolutely not looking for a conversation where you truly want to see someone else's views on the topic and that your question really was rhetorical. As you are advocating, I understand you are not listening but only looking for your agenda. Thank you for making that clear. I truly appreciate that. 2. History is the biggest predictor of future events. If he believes that a woman's job is in the home, he will not work for his female constituents on equal rights such as pay, child care, health care, school, etc. So, we're going to have to disagree with on this one. We absolutely know from his words that if he said anything else "in his platform" we wouldn't believe him. And why would we? 3. I truly wish I could believe you are not Lauren, but I can't. Much like the politician in this story, and as you noted above, you would believe him if he showed you his platform. Well, your platform is Lauren and in this case I am going to believe you. Tell me, how did you know Lauren went to law school? I thought you were knew to the board. Someone clued you in, I assume. 4. Ah, but conservatives DO have a problem with Muslim ideals. Just because you claim you don't does not negate my point. 5. Perhaps - it was an explanation for you to understand my point but you were here to "advocate" not understand so I see how you missed that. No worries. 6. That made me laugh. Thank you. 7. Yes, conflated. I thought that would feel familiar to you. But... again, my point still stands. When you choose to look at one singular issue you are going to miss so much context and reasoning. If you want to find that "middle ground" I would encourage you to stop "advocating" start "listening" and look towards a great context. I have found I learn so much more about someone else's opinions and positions when I do that. I don't have to agree, but at least I can understand the argument.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jan 25, 2018 22:50:28 GMT
The bolded part is where one's private life/beliefs become open to public discussion and, yes, judgement. There is no way a person who holds the beliefs expressed by Sykes is going to faithfully represent the needs and desires *all* his/her constituents. You’re most likely right. But here in the US, no elected official represents the needs and desires of *all* his constituents True, but most do better than represent half, and someone with Sykes' beliefs wouldn't be able to do even that. I do think some people (a very few) can legislate against their personal beliefs. The way Sykes expressed his opinion, though, he was so combative and utterly unrepentant there's no way he could set that aside and uphold/create laws that would, for example, protect women in the workforce or assist families with childcare.
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Post by J u l e e on Jan 25, 2018 22:57:13 GMT
I've stated again and again and again, that I am not Lauren. Believe me or not as you choose but stop asking. I'm done answering. I'm glad you're not Lauren. She was a horribly miserable contributor here. It was pathetically easy to recognize her game. She mostly played that game alone though and it just became really sad to watch. She always seemed to have more more enjoyable things waiting for her to spend her time on than arguing on a message board, so I hope she's off doing them now.
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Post by ginacivey on Jan 25, 2018 23:08:05 GMT
i'm from missouri
and i -in the past - have voted republican
so it's quite possible i'll have the opportunity- or not- to vote for him in an election
good news is - he'll never make the ticket - he isn't backed by Trump - Josh Hawley is
that's all life long republicans around here need to know
and this is the full quote
i didn't see the entire quote anywhere in this thread - unless i missed it
he also says
gina
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jan 25, 2018 23:10:06 GMT
Any minute now lovetocolour/Lauren/#notLauren will start a 'fluff' thread on how to organise your cutlery draw or what is your favourite brand of sausages. She does it every time after she has stirred the shit.
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