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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 18:42:59 GMT
Thank you I’m glad you started this thread! I do follow and read most. Political posts. Used to participate pre election. I haven’t had the frame of mind in the last year to do the convos much, both side have been horrible.I am more conservative middle. I have all walks of life in my family so I get it all, including religion and not. Anyway I don’t debate much anymore but will read . I soo appreciate lucyg and a few others who are kind and don’t take it to far or personal an we can still be friends outside politics. . That said I truly do not understand the loyalty to the media and the media loyalty against the ,He’s not normal we knew knew that from the start. But it tells it straight and depending on who you watch or read determines what you believe most of the time. I’m probably rambling as my head is all over the place. But i agree the memo does explain the media ‘love affair ‘ about the Russian collusion stuff. Sorry on my phone this morning. It started out with Russian collusion. That seemed to begin to fade several months ago and then the talk of obstruction of justice began to overpower the talk of collusion. Now it seems (based on a recent thread here LOL) we've moved on to money laundering. Maybe by the time the left is finished, they'll be able to convict him for an unpaid parking ticket. I'm no Trump fan...I think he needs a muzzle most days. I don't think he's of high moral character or is a fine individual. After the SOTU speech, he's not a gifted speaker...at all. But none of those are requirements for President. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 18:46:33 GMT
I am not a conservative, but lean right vs left, especially fiscally. However it is nice to have a thread where the majority of posts are not blocked, lol.
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Post by dillydally on Feb 3, 2018 19:15:56 GMT
I'm glad to see this post. I really enjoy seeing everyone's perspective and hearing various sides of an issue.
I'm not sure i will post much because (1) I don't post much in general, and (2) I'm not sure where I stand any more. I've been republican since I first voted at 18, and I'll be 50 this year. I've always been fiscally conservative and in favor of less government, but these days, that may not be enough for me to keep my conservative card. I just truly can not stand Trump, in a way I have never felt about a former president, and it is really making me 2nd guess what I do believe in.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 3, 2018 20:03:20 GMT
I most definitely think Russia messed with our elections. I also don't think this was the first time....but this time they went over and above. Honestly? I don't think Trump colluded with Russia but I think its easy for some to assume he did because they hate him so much. I don't think Trump ever really wanted to be President and never expected to win. Trump is an idiot on many, many levels. So many levels I lose count sometimes. BUT I don't believe he conspired with Russia. SaveSaveI agree with this. I also don't think it was the first time. Look at all the controversy it has caused. Why wouldn't they (Russia) want to mess with us. Not exactly sure what they want other than to cause problems with us. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 3, 2018 20:10:13 GMT
This...so much this! Thank you for starting this thread! I hope it will become a place for rational discussion. There are so many viewpoints that I’d love to hear without the nasty comments and name calling. I’m a quiet pea, but I’ll definitely be reading and will contribute when I can. I am conservative fiscally and socially liberal, I’m not sure I’d classify myself as libertarian. Who knows? I’m hoping to learn more here. I certainly think there’s room in our country for more than the left- and right-wing extremism we see now. Totally agree with this I am seeing myself getting more liberal in some areas as I get older but I still consider myself a conservative. I to think we need less extremism that we have been seeing for a while now. There seems to be so much hatred now and I just don't want any part of it - life is just too short to spend my energy on hate. |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 3, 2018 21:24:21 GMT
I'm a conservative that is pretty socially liberal or maybe libertarian when it comes to things like same sex marriage and abortion. I believe the federal government's job is the safety and security of the nation. I don't think it's the government's job to do the job of the statesl. I'm pretty anti drug so you won't find me championing legalizing recreational marijuana. However, I think it has a place as medicine just like morphine and other opioids. I did not vote for Trump (I actually changed my party to independent when he became the candidate). My pay went down with the change in taxes, however you won't find me complaining because my retirement has shot through the roof in the last year.
I get frustrated watching all news, and I'm most disappointed in CNN. To have fallen so far from being the bastion of serious news. I can rarely stomach watching much of the news due to the blatant bias on both sides depending on which channel you watch. Nobody reports the straight facts, there is so much innuendo and the use of words like "may" "possible" "indicate". If it's not a provable fact, it's not news (yet). An editorial is opinion, not news. I think the founders of journalism must be tired from rolling in their graves.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 3, 2018 21:26:26 GMT
I always find it an interesting commentary on the group whether I’m labeled a conservative or liberal. I’m frankly a moderate. Lean right on fiscal matters, lean left on social. Neither party would ever claim me. My most extreme position is a total and complete desire for truth and facts. I have mostly steered clear of the political threads as pointing out a straight up fabrication now means I’m a trump supporter. I’ve never supported this administration and will never be put in a position of justifying a position or vote I never made.
My frustration right now is that the whole “Russian meddling in our election” is wholly tied to an inability or unwillingness to seek actual news and avoid sensational social media sound bites - yet most of the people pushing the message are also the biggest offenders. Hell the majority of Americans think “Russian meddling” means actual voter fraud.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 21:33:28 GMT
I always find it an interesting commentary on the group whether I’m labeled a conservative or liberal. I’m frankly a moderate. Lean right on fiscal matters, lean left on social. Neither party would ever claim me. My most extreme position is a total and complete desire for truth and facts. I have mostly steered clear of the political threads as pointing out a straight up fabrication now means I’m a trump supporter. I’ve never supported this administration and will never be put in a position of justifying a position or vote I never made. My frustration right now is that the whole “Russian meddling in our election” is wholly tied to an inability or unwillingness to seek actual news and avoid sensational social media sound bites - yet most of the people pushing the message are also the biggest offenders. Hell the majority of Americans think “Russian meddling” means actual voter fraud. Question everything - believe no one. That is why I tagged you. I always appreciate your level-headed, non-partisan contributions to political threads. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 3, 2018 21:43:32 GMT
I am really glad to see this thread. Many, many days I read the other(s) thread and just shake my head. Somethings I can see their view point but man. Some things I just cant wrap my head around. I am spending tonight educating myself on the memo. I have heard bits and pieces, but I want to really dig into it myself. (Another topic I would like to read about is how the new lax laws are helping people. I *know* many say they are losing money, but from things I have read, I am really surprised so many say that. It was my understanding that most would benefit from it. So do people not really know what is going on with their pay (is their insurance premium rising, etc causing the loss of pay) or is it really the new tax laws? my check went down about $89. Dh pays insurance so it doesn't come out of my check. I get paid the exact same every month. Has been since this contract started in September. I get paid monthly. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Have you run the numbers with the withholding tables? Taxes are complicated - different classes of income, deductions, phase out of credits and deductions, can all create unexpected situations. Straight W2 income and withholding isn’t complicated - I ran a half a dozen scenarios and never found one that wound have a higher withholding. I’ll reiterate what I’ve said a bunch of times - some people will absolutely pay more - the vast majority of those will be people who itemize in high tax states with high property values. Others that itemize and have unique situations might also pay more. Anyone who claims the standard deduction will pay less. I’m curios on how a withholding could go up based on comparing the two tables. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 21:53:34 GMT
What a nice surprise to see this thread! I haven't been on here very much lately, and when I am, I wouldn't go back in the political threads. I had to put myself in a time out because I knew it was time to back away. This looks refreshing.  About the media-I don't know if anybody's watching it, but Fox is running a 7 or 8 part documentary series on the Clintons. I had no intention of watching it. I decided to give it a try because I realized the main thing I remember about Bill the president was Paula Jones or Monica Lewinsky, and I didn't know the other history. It's been interesting. Last week the show moved into Paula Jones' story. What struck me was the topic of how the media went after Bill. The GOP hated him and went after him, the wealthy republican donors went after him, and there were constant media attacks every day and it was relentless (I'm paraphrasing). I realized it reminds me of Trump. Trump definitely gives the media plenty to talk about, but the endless hits, day after day, hour after hour, with theories and accusations changing by the minute, it's unbelievable. Go to the bathroom, and it's a new allegation and money laundering is a new one to me. What's fascinating, to me at least, is to hear the same talking points from one network to another. Yesterday was "cherry pick(ing)." Fox showed a clip of numerous pundits, from different networks, using that phrase over and over again. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say it's a well calculated plan.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 22:17:37 GMT
I am really glad to see this thread. Many, many days I read the other(s) thread and just shake my head. Somethings I can see their view point but man. Some things I just cant wrap my head around. I am spending tonight educating myself on the memo. I have heard bits and pieces, but I want to really dig into it myself. (Another topic I would like to read about is how the new lax laws are helping people. I *know* many say they are losing money, but from things I have read, I am really surprised so many say that. It was my understanding that most would benefit from it. So do people not really know what is going on with their pay (is their insurance premium rising, etc causing the loss of pay) or is it really the new tax laws? I can't say I'll ever really understand all the ways the new tax laws help or hurt us, but living in a high tax state I'm going to guess it will hurt us. Last year we were just under the new $10k property tax rule, and we'll know in a few months how much they go up. I'm at least expecting to hit that ceiling. However, considering where we live, we have low expectations to begin with. But, my husband owns a company with a partner. They have 3 locations with about 50 employees. I won't go into what the business is, but they are extremely busy. As busy as they've ever been. They just implemented an employer-matched 401(k) (I don't know all of the details). They've been in business for a long time, and they're rolling this out now. |
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Post by mom on Feb 3, 2018 22:29:52 GMT
What a nice surprise to see this thread! I haven't been on here very much lately, and when I am, I wouldn't go back in the political threads. I had to put myself in a time out because I knew it was time to back away. This looks refreshing. About the media-I don't know if anybody's watching it, but Fox is running a 7 or 8 part documentary series on the Clintons. I had no intention of watching it. I decided to give it a try because I realized the main thing I remember about Bill the president was Paula Jones or Monica Lewinsky, and I didn't know the other history. It's been interesting.
Last week the show moved into Paula Jones' story. What struck me was the topic of how the media went after Bill. The GOP hated him and went after him, the wealthy republican donors went after him, and there were constant media attacks every day and it was relentless (I'm paraphrasing). I realized it reminds me of Trump. Trump definitely gives the media plenty to talk about, but the endless hits, day after day, hour after hour, with theories and accusations changing by the minute, it's unbelievable. Go to the bathroom, and it's a new allegation and money laundering is a new one to me. What's fascinating, to me at least, is to hear the same talking points from one network to another. Yesterday was "cherry pick(ing)." Fox showed a clip of numerous pundits, from different networks, using that phrase over and over again. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say it's a well calculated plan. Interesting. I can count on one hand in the last year that I've watched Fox (mainly because I know what they will say, so I intentionally watch other news outlets to get a better balance) but I might look up this documentary. Clinton was president during my high school years so I didn't really pay all that much attention to what he was doing.All I remember is the affair, actually. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 22:50:52 GMT
What a nice surprise to see this thread! I haven't been on here very much lately, and when I am, I wouldn't go back in the political threads. I had to put myself in a time out because I knew it was time to back away. This looks refreshing. About the media-I don't know if anybody's watching it, but Fox is running a 7 or 8 part documentary series on the Clintons. I had no intention of watching it. I decided to give it a try because I realized the main thing I remember about Bill the president was Paula Jones or Monica Lewinsky, and I didn't know the other history. It's been interesting.
Last week the show moved into Paula Jones' story. What struck me was the topic of how the media went after Bill. The GOP hated him and went after him, the wealthy republican donors went after him, and there were constant media attacks every day and it was relentless (I'm paraphrasing). I realized it reminds me of Trump. Trump definitely gives the media plenty to talk about, but the endless hits, day after day, hour after hour, with theories and accusations changing by the minute, it's unbelievable. Go to the bathroom, and it's a new allegation and money laundering is a new one to me. What's fascinating, to me at least, is to hear the same talking points from one network to another. Yesterday was "cherry pick(ing)." Fox showed a clip of numerous pundits, from different networks, using that phrase over and over again. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd say it's a well calculated plan. Interesting. I can count on one hand in the last year that I've watched Fox (mainly because I know what they will say, so I intentionally watch other news outlets to get a better balance) but I might look up this documentary. Clinton was president during my high school years so I didn't really pay all that much attention to what he was doing.All I remember is the affair, actually. SaveSaveIt's running on Sunday nights, and I saw tomorrow night they're re-running episode 2 before the 3rd episode starts. It's fact based, with no political slant, and has a lot of the people that were involved with either the Clintons personally, or involved in his investigations. So far there's also been a history lesson on Hillary's role before and during his presidency. It's been interesting. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 22:54:29 GMT
Good to see a conservative thread here--I've felt very unwelcome at times. I'm another conservative checking in. Another one that didn't vote for Trump. I couldn't vote for Trump OR Hillary. First time in my life that I voted 3rd party. I know I'm not a Democrat, and I'm not sure I'm a Republican anymore, but maybe closer to a Libertarian than I've been before! Concerning the tax bill--We're retired, so our "pay" remains the same. I'm hoping it helps my children! As far as the memo goes, I think both sides have over-reacted with "claiming victory." I read an article yesterday that was pretty balanced. You can read it here if you like. townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/02/02/analysis-both-sides-overreact-to-the-memo-which-is-neither-a-nothingburger-nor-a-smoking-gun-n2443723 I do know that our investments have skyrocketed since Trump has been the president. I know it can go down as fast as it went up, so we aren't counting on anything!! I also see people in our neighborhood that haven't worked in several years, and now have a job. I see "hiring" in windows that haven't held that sign in years. I think the economy is doing much better now. |
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Post by azredhead on Feb 3, 2018 23:00:16 GMT
We watched the 'scandal documentery on Fox. It was fascinating. I had forgotten a lot of the who's who in the Clinton world.When Dh and I first got married I read a book from Mary Matline (a Bush Campaigne aid) and James Carville who was Bill Clintons right hand man. I really liked Mary back then, I was shocked when they got married. She wrote a book about their experiences and marriage and how it worked for them. It was truly fascinating as well to see to total opposites. I think they're still married but i'm not sure.. he is still on CNN and Fox from time to time. But yes I forgot they hated him at first. I also like to watch the networks. Although MSNBC tends to be more condescending than most.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 23:02:21 GMT
We don't have cable, but do have netflix and a roku, so can get some news clips. I can't stand to watch anything from MSMBC. I don't really trust any of them to tell us the truth and nothing but the truth!
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Post by lindas on Feb 3, 2018 23:58:44 GMT
Finally, a place where I feel I can have an opinion without seeing 20 notifications from people telling me I'm wrong, stupid, deplorable, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 0:20:11 GMT
Oh, so many conservative-type Peaple I haven’t “seen” in awhile and didn’t get tagged. Thank you all for stopping in! I don’t watch FOX, either, and it gets so old being told that I/we do as a way of dismissing a different point of view. I watch almost no tv news at all. Kymberlee I’ve heard Bongino before, too; maybe I’ll find his podcast over the weekend. I listen to bits and pieces of other radio news pundits, local news radio, and NPR. Work and life prevent me from “over” listening, and I don’t access the internet during the day when I work (I don’t have a smart phone.) I don’t tweet at all. I have one local news station in my FB feed. Often I listen to the sound of silence! You sound like my kind of people. I just got a smartphone last month (DH couldn't stand my old slide phone hanging up on him anymore, so he gifted me a smartie) and I don't tweet either. 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 0:22:11 GMT
I'm glad to see this post. I really enjoy seeing everyone's perspective and hearing various sides of an issue. I'm not sure i will post much because (1) I don't post much in general, and (2) I'm not sure where I stand any more. I've been republican since I first voted at 18, and I'll be 50 this year. I've always been fiscally conservative and in favor of less government, but these days, that may not be enough for me to keep my conservative card. I just truly can not stand Trump, in a way I have never felt about a former president, and it is really making me 2nd guess what I do believe in. Trump is not a fair representative of a conservative in my opinion. He just took the ticket that he could ride into the White House with. He's been self-serving so far. |
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Post by jenn on Feb 4, 2018 0:42:13 GMT
And just to add, I don't watch FOX and I'm not a "stupid follower." When people say stuff like this, I wish they would remember they are talking about real people. Not just an anonymous "them." I didn't vote for this President. I didn't vote for Hillary either. Personally, I could not even bring myself to give them the dignity of my vote. Neither one was a choice I could, in good conscience, make. 100x YES! |
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 4, 2018 1:44:08 GMT
Thank you for tagging me on this thread. It will be a much less stressful place to come to then many of the other political threads
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 4, 2018 2:29:22 GMT
my check went down about $89. Dh pays insurance so it doesn't come out of my check. I get paid the exact same every month. Has been since this contract started in September. I get paid monthly. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Have you run the numbers with the withholding tables? Taxes are complicated - different classes of income, deductions, phase out of credits and deductions, can all create unexpected situations. Straight W2 income and withholding isn’t complicated - I ran a half a dozen scenarios and never found one that wound have a higher withholding. I’ll reiterate what I’ve said a bunch of times - some people will absolutely pay more - the vast majority of those will be people who itemize in high tax states with high property values. Others that itemize and have unique situations might also pay more. Anyone who claims the standard deduction will pay less. I’m curios on how a withholding could go up based on comparing the two tables. I haven't looked. I got paid a couple of days ago. Noticed it went down. It isn't like I can do anything about it and it doesn't mean I don't be able to eat, so I moved on. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 2:48:37 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread, I think it could be a good idea. Maybe the separate threads will help the different opinions hear each other. I'd like to add some tags for those who may be interested in discussions here too. AnotherPea PaperAngel snowsilver burningfeather betty leftturnonly back to *pea*ality I'm sure more will come to minds as we go and they'll get tagged or just see it and join in. Thanks for letting me know. |
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Post by mcscrapper on Feb 4, 2018 3:05:15 GMT
Another semi-conservative here! Thank you for starting this thread.
While I am mostly conservative, I do have some socially liberal views. I also work in healthcare. While I don't pretend to know about every single political issue at hand right now, I do feel strongly about the state of our healthcare.
I am so frustrated with how ugly the left supporters have behaved when talking about the POTUS and the right. I was never an Obama fan even in the slightest but I never spoke ugly about him or his family. I hate how Trump bashing seems to be the norm and totally acceptable around here.
Again, thanks for creating this thread. I have found my Peaple!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 3:07:47 GMT
I'm a conservative that is pretty socially liberal or maybe libertarian when it comes to things like same sex marriage and abortion. I believe the federal government's job is the safety and security of the nation. I don't think it's the government's job to do the job of the statesl. I'm pretty anti drug so you won't find me championing legalizing recreational marijuana. However, I think it has a place as medicine just like morphine and other opioids. I did not vote for Trump (I actually changed my party to independent when he became the candidate). My pay went down with the change in taxes, however you won't find me complaining because my retirement has shot through the roof in the last year. I get frustrated watching all news, and I'm most disappointed in CNN. To have fallen so far from being the bastion of serious news. I can rarely stomach watching much of the news due to the blatant bias on both sides depending on which channel you watch. Nobody reports the straight facts, there is so much innuendo and the use of words like "may" "possible" "indicate". If it's not a provable fact, it's not news (yet). An editorial is opinion, not news. I think the founders of journalism must be tired from rolling in their graves. Yes. I wonder when and how they stopped being the watchdogs of our government. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 4, 2018 3:09:08 GMT
Like so many of you, I didn’t vote for Trump (or Hilary) either I waited to cast my first vote until after my state removed the requirement of claiming a party to vote. I’ve always been an independent voter and thinker so I didn’t want to be assigned to a party. I vote all over my ballot, but do tend to vote for more republicans because everything is so heavily democratic here. I want compromise and both parties working together. At least until we can get away from the two party system:) Like many of us here, I’m fiscally conservative and socially liberal. And I’m tired of being called names just because I’m not full of hate. I also don’t watch Fox news, couldn’t even tell you what channel it is on my TV  I’m looking forward to chatting with everyone here. In the past I learned so much from the peas, well until this past election, when everything went south. And anyone that didn’t protest, scream or yell anti Trump was attacked and accused of voting for him. Great thread @scrubologist At first I was a little worried being labeled a conservative, but this thread has been very pleasant and welcoming! Thank you!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 3:10:44 GMT
Interesting. I can count on one hand in the last year that I've watched Fox (mainly because I know what they will say, so I intentionally watch other news outlets to get a better balance) but I might look up this documentary. Clinton was president during my high school years so I didn't really pay all that much attention to what he was doing.All I remember is the affair, actually. SaveSaveIt's running on Sunday nights, and I saw tomorrow night they're re-running episode 2 before the 3rd episode starts. It's fact based, with no political slant, and has a lot of the people that were involved with either the Clintons personally, or involved in his investigations. So far there's also been a history lesson on Hillary's role before and during his presidency. It's been interesting. I wish I hadn't missed the first one, but I'll start with 2 at least. |
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Post by lindas on Feb 4, 2018 14:39:33 GMT
It's running on Sunday nights, and I saw tomorrow night they're re-running episode 2 before the 3rd episode starts. It's fact based, with no political slant, and has a lot of the people that were involved with either the Clintons personally, or involved in his investigations. So far there's also been a history lesson on Hillary's role before and during his presidency. It's been interesting. I wish I hadn't missed the first one, but I'll start with 2 at least. The first one for you. link. Hope this works but if not you can get it on YouTube. |
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Post by dillydally on Feb 4, 2018 15:56:21 GMT
I'm glad to see this post. I really enjoy seeing everyone's perspective and hearing various sides of an issue. I'm not sure i will post much because (1) I don't post much in general, and (2) I'm not sure where I stand any more. I've been republican since I first voted at 18, and I'll be 50 this year. I've always been fiscally conservative and in favor of less government, but these days, that may not be enough for me to keep my conservative card. I just truly can not stand Trump, in a way I have never felt about a former president, and it is really making me 2nd guess what I do believe in. Trump is not a fair representative of a conservative in my opinion. He just took the ticket that he could ride into the White House with. He's been self-serving so far. Oh, I totally agree that he aligns simply with whatever would get him voted in. But his being the republican nominee and seeing so many people support him is what made me start questioning whether I still fit in the party. |
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Post by dillydally on Feb 4, 2018 16:01:07 GMT
my check went down about $89. Dh pays insurance so it doesn't come out of my check. I get paid the exact same every month. Has been since this contract started in September. I get paid monthly. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Have you run the numbers with the withholding tables? Taxes are complicated - different classes of income, deductions, phase out of credits and deductions, can all create unexpected situations. Straight W2 income and withholding isn’t complicated - I ran a half a dozen scenarios and never found one that wound have a higher withholding. I’ll reiterate what I’ve said a bunch of times - some people will absolutely pay more - the vast majority of those will be people who itemize in high tax states with high property values. Others that itemize and have unique situations might also pay more. Anyone who claims the standard deduction will pay less. I’m curios on how a withholding could go up based on comparing the two tables. On my phone and can’t figure out how to bid or highlight, but I am also surprised at how withholding is going up. I changed my retirement contribution so I can’t really compare dollars to dollars since that caused my fed tax to decrease, but on a percentage basis, my fed withholding went down. |
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