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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 16:21:29 GMT
Trump is not a fair representative of a conservative in my opinion. He just took the ticket that he could ride into the White House with. He's been self-serving so far. Oh, I totally agree that he aligns simply with whatever would get him voted in. But his being the republican nominee and seeing so many people support him is what made me start questioning whether I still fit in the party. I understand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 16:30:05 GMT
I'm a conservative that is pretty socially liberal or maybe libertarian when it comes to things like same sex marriage and abortion. I believe the federal government's job is the safety and security of the nation. I don't think it's the government's job to do the job of the statesl. I'm pretty anti drug so you won't find me championing legalizing recreational marijuana. However, I think it has a place as medicine just like morphine and other opioids. I did not vote for Trump (I actually changed my party to independent when he became the candidate). My pay went down with the change in taxes, however you won't find me complaining because my retirement has shot through the roof in the last year. I get frustrated watching all news, and I'm most disappointed in CNN. To have fallen so far from being the bastion of serious news. I can rarely stomach watching much of the news due to the blatant bias on both sides depending on which channel you watch. Nobody reports the straight facts, there is so much innuendo and the use of words like "may" "possible" "indicate". If it's not a provable fact, it's not news (yet). An editorial is opinion, not news. I think the founders of journalism must be tired from rolling in their graves. I agree with most everything you said except I am all for legalizing marijuana everywhere for everyone. I am not street drug savvy, but I am definitely against meth, crack, heroin, etc....and I would like to see stronger penalties for those caught dealing/selling. (No jail. Something more severe.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 5:46:43 GMT
I wish I hadn't missed the first one, but I'll start with 2 at least. The first one for you. link. Hope this works but if not you can get it on YouTube. Thanks Linda.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 6:01:02 GMT
I am amazed on almost a daily basis to read some of the conspiracy theories of the left. Today, I am amazed what many on the left believe about the memo and just how different their thoughts are than mine. While I truly believe that the only collusion that happened is collusion between the FBI, Justice Dept, HRC campaign, DNC, and the Obama White House to keep Trump out of the White House. And when that didn't work, they colluded to discredit the man elected by the people of this nation to be President. This memo does not prove it for me, and I need to see more, but I still fully suspect it'll all come out in the end to confirm what I've believed for a year now. I don't know enough about the memo yet, but there have been so many facts that point to actual collusion between the FBI, Justice Dept, HRC campaign, DNC, and the Obama White House to keep Trump out of the White House. Highly inappropriate tarmac meetings between the Obama DOJ and the husband of the subject of the investigation, requesting Comey not call it an investigation, Comey leaking classified documents to the press, Comey writing Hillary's exoneration before the investigation was over and before she was even interviewed, Hillary being allowed to run for president despite violating statutes that disqualify her, etc. The facts sure do appear to create a pattern of collusion. It's not like we haven't seen this from the Obama administration before. The slimy weaponization of the IRS comes to mind.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Feb 5, 2018 8:22:50 GMT
Thank you for starting this thread. I avoid posting in most political posts because of the anger on both sides, and unfortunately am too thin skinned to not take some things said personally. I read almost all of them though. It will be nice to see a more conservative outlook without all the nastiness (from both sides).
I’m hoping to learn more about the memo. I read the whole thing and I am definitely not informed enough to have an opinion yet.
As far as taxes go, I do payroll for the small business I work for and everyone’s federal withholdings went down. Depending on what they claim on their W-9 it was between 18.00 and 40.00 for semi monthly pay. All but 2 people are salary wage workers so they get paid the same every paycheck unless we get bonuses, so it was easy to “see” the difference from last pay roll. It may not seem like a lot to some people, but to these guys it’s helpful. 80.00 a month to one gentleman covers diapers for a few weeks for his & his wife’s unexpected pregnancy they just found out about. (She had her tubes tied 2 years ago). This is the same gentleman that begs the boss not to give him a raise or bonuses because it will wreck his healthcare coverage. It’s a sad situation they are in with the health care choices in this state. You can call a dr’s office and ask if they take Kaiser they say yes, so you sign up with Kaiser then you go to your dr’s appointment and they say “oh we don’t take “that” Kaiser. It’s maddening. Not sure that getting rid of the mandate will fix that issue at all. Hopefully someone with a bright mind can fix the healthcare/insurance mess our country is in. There has to be away where everyone is satisfied. Dr’s with ridiculously high college loans need to be paid a decent amount, but medical costs and prescription costs are ludicrous. There needs to be a complete overhaul.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 13:01:21 GMT
I have the early shift today, so I’m just going to post my random thoughts and run.
About Comey and collusion, etc. I liked Comey until he gave that speech summing up their investigation into Hillary, and carefully laid out all the reasons she did bad things, then said there was no reason to charge her with anything. Many liberals will tell you differently, but there is no one who listened to that speech, thinking the whole time she was sunk, then had their jaws drop when he got to the end. After that, I lost all respect for him and knew something stunk to high heaven. His subsequent “reopening” of her investigation did NOT lose her the election — no one who was going to vote for her suddenly changed their minds because of Comey.
Melania’s pantsuit and racism. Oy.
I hope the stock market rebounds today.
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Post by blondiec47 on Feb 5, 2018 17:20:18 GMT
Another thank you for starting this thread. I have not logged in in many months because things just got so vicious here.If the memo turns out to be true then heads had better roll. I also hated almost everything Obama did and stood for, but I would bite back at conservatives that would comment on his dress or anything related to Michelle (outside of her ridiculous lunch stuff)or the kids. Heck I even stood up for Michelle when she made the comment about the White House being like a jail (I know I would hate being monitored 24/7), but lately here the common folks are being attacked just because we disagree with them. I have stopped watching most TV (I will watch ID AHC etc, but not mainstream networks) because I am just so sick of all of it. I expect to hear Trump is breathing wrong any day now. To hear that he is sooo racist now, is laughable. He has been in the public eye for decades and has helped the inner cities and has gotten praise from Sharpton for it, but now he's a racist??? And when did he say he was against LGBTQ community??? I do consider myself fairly liberal on many social issues, but I do draw the line at abortion. And what is so funny about that is it was TwoPeas that got me to change my view. There was a very informative thread many years ago that really got me to stop and think (I would never happen on this board now). Well that's my 2 cents for today. Again thanks for starting this thread, I may have to log on more.
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Post by burningfeather on Feb 5, 2018 18:42:34 GMT
The right trashed Obama. Yes, even over stupid shit like flip flops and bare shoulders. For the most part, the peas trashed Obama, his policies, and his administration. FOR THE MOST PART, we did not trash those that voted for him in such personal ways. The right hated everything Obama stood for at least as much as the hatred the left feels for Trump. But the hatred towards Trump doesn't stop there. And better yet, the ones that do it, do so proudly, because it's accepted on this board now. I'd go so far as to say it's encouraged. They find nothing wrong with their behavior and promise to continue to behave in that manner. I have absolutely zero cares about what someone thinks of me when I don't respect their opinion to start with.
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Post by melanell on Feb 5, 2018 19:42:27 GMT
I to think we need less extremism that we have been seeing for a while now. There seems to be so much hatred now and I just don't want any part of it - life is just too short to spend my energy on hate. I may not have much to say here, as I don't consider myself conservative, but I think that this thread is a really nice idea for everyone on the board who does view themselves as being or leaning conservative, and I certainly agree with the words I quoted above. I find that people tend to be so extreme these days in many aspects of life, not just politics, and I don't think it's a healthy way for any of us to live or to interact with one another.
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Post by River on Feb 5, 2018 19:50:13 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread. I weigh in every so often on the other political threads but don't really have the big brass ones to hang in there. I haven't had the time to look much into the memo yet, but plan to soon. The tax cuts for us personally was a welcomed relief to help cover medical insurance. Since that went up 3 times what we've ever paid, it's been hard to juggle that. I don't know who gets more blame there, but someone has to step up and fix it. I'm sure it's a combo of ObamaCare and insurance companies taking advantage of the chance to really hike prices during the uncertainty, but somethings gotta give. Russia? I think they've meddled plenty over the years, but I do hope that all this attention might help curve that some in the future elections. They absolutely should not have the power they seem to have regarding our democracy. I do not credit them for Trump getting elected though. I think that was just a perfect storm that's been brewing for several years. I do believe that medical insurance cost on the middle class played a bigger role in the outcome. Most of the people I talked to, and I was pretty involved back then, had medical insurance as their number one priority and felt Trump was the better fit there. That's all I've got for now. Oh, I'd better make the statement that I DID NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP OR CLINTON. I did vote though! I'm in no way a Trump supporter, but I'm still mostly conservative that leans socially liberal. Even with that, I still can't get behind all the Trump bashing going on here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 20:20:03 GMT
I am amazed on almost a daily basis to read some of the conspiracy theories of the left. Today, I am amazed what many on the left believe about the memo and just how different their thoughts are than mine. While I truly believe that the only collusion that happened is collusion between the FBI, Justice Dept, HRC campaign, DNC, and the Obama White House to keep Trump out of the White House. And when that didn't work, they colluded to discredit the man elected by the people of this nation to be President. This memo does not prove it for me, and I need to see more, but I still fully suspect it'll all come out in the end to confirm what I've believed for a year now. I don't know enough about the memo yet, but there have been so many facts that point to actual collusion between the FBI, Justice Dept, HRC campaign, DNC, and the Obama White House to keep Trump out of the White House. Highly inappropriate tarmac meetings between the Obama DOJ and the husband of the subject of the investigation, requesting Comey not call it an investigation, Comey leaking classified documents to the press, Comey writing Hillary's exoneration before the investigation was over and before she was even interviewed, Hillary being allowed to run for president despite violating statutes that disqualify her, etc. The facts sure do appear to create a pattern of collusion. It's not like we haven't seen this from the Obama administration before. The slimy weaponization of the IRS comes to mind. This is exactly what I have issue with. that the FBI and Justice Department would "work" with one party or the other (instead of being unbiased) to keep a candidate out of the white house. This is not what democracy is to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 1:16:02 GMT
Well, my wish for the stock market certainly didn’t come true!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 1:27:32 GMT
Well, my wish for the stock market certainly didn’t come true! It goes up and it comes back down all the time. It just went up way too fast to sustain! It will recover.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 1:44:23 GMT
Well, my wish for the stock market certainly didn’t come true! It goes up and it comes back down all the time. It just went up way too fast to sustain! It will recover. I know, I just had to pout a little. DH and I were already discussing money things recently since we have some money that needs to be re-invested and yearly accounts fed, etc. This is a good opportunity to buy for some stocks, too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 1:48:15 GMT
we have money in it, but since we don't take it out and put it somewhere else all the time, it just stays put. I have friends that are always "reinvesting" and changing their portfolio, and making and losing money all the time. I just don't look at it!! I'm not going to worry about it!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 12:24:17 GMT
I have the early shift today, so I’m just going to post my random thoughts and run. About Comey and collusion, etc. I liked Comey until he gave that speech summing up their investigation into Hillary, and carefully laid out all the reasons she did bad things, then said there was no reason to charge her with anything. Many liberals will tell you differently, but there is no one who listened to that speech, thinking the whole time she was sunk, then had their jaws drop when he got to the end. After that, I lost all respect for him and knew something stunk to high heaven. His subsequent “reopening” of her investigation did NOT lose her the election — no one who was going to vote for her suddenly changed their minds because of Comey. Melania’s pantsuit and racism. Oy. I hope the stock market rebounds today. After reading thru some of these political threads, I'm becoming more and more convinced the great divide going on here and in the US as a whole, will never be undone. How do people come back together when one is labeled a racist for simply having a different opinion, or when one is posting on a political thread in general and is told to go back to their own sandbox? It's unbelievable. As for Comey, his behavior right before the election with his speech about HRC had a lot of people scratching their heads, from both the right and left. I'm with you...something stinks. I think he was the fall guy at the direction of Lynch and/or others.
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Post by bazinga on Feb 6, 2018 13:05:26 GMT
I ventured into a political thread this morning (about Melania's pantsuit) and cannot get over how nasty some grown women treat other people. I'm really hoping that it's keyboard courage and that they aren't like that in real life. There are some Peas in that thread that have been referred to as "sweet and kind" and I just don't see it at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 13:10:01 GMT
I ventured into a political thread this morning (about Melania's pantsuit) and cannot get over how nasty some grown women treat other people. I'm really hoping that it's keyboard courage and that they aren't like that in real life. There are some Peas in that thread that have been referred to as "sweet and kind" and I just don't see it at all. I hope you're right, because what I see here has been downright ugly.
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Post by burningfeather on Feb 6, 2018 13:40:34 GMT
I ventured into a political thread this morning (about Melania's pantsuit) and cannot get over how nasty some grown women treat other people. I'm really hoping that it's keyboard courage and that they aren't like that in real life. There are some Peas in that thread that have been referred to as "sweet and kind" and I just don't see it at all. You aren't the only one. Unless sweet and kind is code for something else. But as I said above, it's becoming my philosophy more and more that I simply toss out pretty much anything that people who I don't respect. Not just politics either. Oh, you like apples? Well you've pretty much proven to me that I think your opinions and judgment are shitty, so I'm going to assume that it applies in all areas of your life. (and to be clear, I am NOT talking about people I simply do not agree with. I'm all for difference of opinions and values. It's when I think you are a shitty person to go along with it.) I used to say that I hated seeing political signs in my neighbors' yards, but it has become clear to me that I can use that as a way to easily rule out a candidate. It has exactly the opposite effect that I think that they hope it does. So go ahead and tell people to "play in their own sandbox" but stop pretending that your sandbox is open to all when you start flinging crap at anyone who dares to enter it that doesn't agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 13:46:32 GMT
Yes, I just saw the “sandbox” comment because I started browsing without being logged in. All I will say is that the ignore feature is a wonderful tool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 13:51:36 GMT
Yes, I just saw the “sandbox” comment because I started browsing without being logged in. All I will say is that the ignore feature is a wonderful tool. I have this love-hate relationship with "ignore," lol. Part of me wants to use it because it's tiring to see the bashing. On the other hand, I want to know who people really are, kwim?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 14:05:24 GMT
Yes, I just saw the “sandbox” comment because I started browsing without being logged in. All I will say is that the ignore feature is a wonderful tool. I have this love-hate relationship with "ignore," lol. Part of me wants to use it because it's tiring to see the bashing. On the other hand, I want to know who people really are, kwim? Oh, yes, I do know!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 14:29:57 GMT
<————- missed the sandbox comment
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:35:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:57:32 GMT
I’m considering changing the title to “Conservative Sandbox”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 16:00:22 GMT
so let me get this right...they’re complaining that we have one thread that is our sandbox and safe space when they have a very long running sandbox of their own? And now they claim “ownership” of ALL political threads?
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Post by gar on Feb 6, 2018 16:06:51 GMT
so let me get this right...they’re complaining that we have one thread that is our sandbox and safe space when they have a very long running sandbox of their own? And now they claim “ownership” of ALL political threads? You're both spot on, that's exactly it, congratulations. P.S. I'm neither Dem or Repub so I don't even have a sandbox
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 16:07:44 GMT
Just ignore them.
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Post by mom on Feb 6, 2018 16:18:31 GMT
Wow. Seeing some of the hate being said today really makes me sad. I want to respect some of those ladies so much - and learn from where they are coming from, their viewpoint - but its hard to sift through the nasty.
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Post by blondiec47 on Feb 6, 2018 16:34:44 GMT
I used to say that I hated seeing political signs in my neighbors' yards, but it has become clear to me that I can use that as a way to easily rule out a candidate. It has exactly the opposite effect that I think that they hope it does. That would not work at my house--usually the signs in my yard are the people I am not voting for. I have been known to put up signs for both candidates. I am an equal opportunity advertiser. And it is no one's business who I vote for. Just because I say yes to your sign is not indication that I am voting for you
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