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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 4:07:35 GMT
story #410--why I lost.
Just saw Hillary stating again why she lost--she NOW blames women that were coerced by their husbands, brothers, fathers to vote for Trump.
Not too sure how many stories she's told since the election. 410 was just a guess. I didn't research it. Wasn't this latest one kind of a slap in the face of all females now? How many women here vote the way your husband or male in your life TELL you to vote. I've been married for 53 years, and can't remember ONE election that I voted for someone because my husband told me to. We have similar values, and often vote the same, but I've also voted for people that my husband hasn't voted for.
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Post by mom26 on Mar 14, 2018 4:21:08 GMT
story #410--why I lost. Just saw Hillary stating again why she lost--she NOW blames women that were coerced by their husbands, brothers, fathers to vote for Trump. Not too sure how many stories she's told since the election. 410 was just a guess. I didn't research it. Wasn't this latest one kind of a slap in the face of all females now? How many women here vote the way your husband or male in your life TELL you to vote. I've been married for 53 years, and can't remember ONE election that I voted for someone because my husband told me to. We have similar values, and often vote the same, but I've also voted for people that my husband hasn't voted for. Yeah, I saw that and thought the same thing. I've never let a man - or anyone - tell me how to vote. Bless her heart, though. She just can't help herself from dissing half the country in her quest to lay the blame for her loss at anyone's feet but her own. It's actually kind of sad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 4:37:41 GMT
story #410--why I lost. Just saw Hillary stating again why she lost--she NOW blames women that were coerced by their husbands, brothers, fathers to vote for Trump. Not too sure how many stories she's told since the election. 410 was just a guess. I didn't research it. Wasn't this latest one kind of a slap in the face of all females now? How many women here vote the way your husband or male in your life TELL you to vote. I've been married for 53 years, and can't remember ONE election that I voted for someone because my husband told me to. We have similar values, and often vote the same, but I've also voted for people that my husband hasn't voted for. Yeah, I saw that and thought the same thing. I've never let a man - or anyone - tell me how to vote. Bless her heart, though. She just can't help herself from dissing half the country in her quest to lay the blame for her loss at anyone's feet but her own. It's actually kind of sad. I think it's pathetic.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Mar 14, 2018 4:39:58 GMT
No reason to be sorry. I just happened to see the video the other day when I was looking for a video of what she had said about VP Pence.
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Post by cycworker on Mar 14, 2018 7:11:07 GMT
I have stayed away from this thread because I'm not a conservative (though fwiw I'm not as progressive as some Canadians would like me to be. Here, I'm labelled a moderate/centrist). I want to say though that I'm glad Behar apologized. Ultimately I blame Omarosa for her misrepresentation of Pence's faith. I don't know if she misrepresented it on purpose, or she just doesn't get it.
I'm a Christian. I pray and talk God regularly. Or at least I try to do so regularly. When I get an answer, I, like most Christians, don't hear it in the literal sense of hearing something... it's not like hearing a song on the radio or hearing the sound of the phone ringing. It's a figurative hearing. It's just this moment of overwhelming peace that overcomes a person, and it's accompanied by a sense of knowing what to do. God just gives you the answer to whatever is troubling you & you know how to handle it. That's what it means to hear His voice.
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Post by gale w on Mar 14, 2018 7:33:12 GMT
I have stayed away from this thread because I'm not a conservative (though fwiw I'm not as progressive as some Canadians would like me to be. Here, I'm labelled a moderate/centrist). I want to say though that I'm glad Behar apologized. Ultimately I blame Omarosa for her misrepresentation of Pence's faith. I don't know if she misrepresented it on purpose, or she just doesn't get it. I'm a Christian. I pray and talk God regularly. Or at least I try to do so regularly. When I get an answer, I, like most Christians, don't hear it in the literal sense of hearing something... it's not like hearing a song on the radio or hearing the sound of the phone ringing. It's a figurative hearing. It's just this moment of overwhelming peace that overcomes a person, and it's accompanied by a sense of knowing what to do. God just gives you the answer to whatever is troubling you & you know how to handle it. That's what it means to hear His voice. It's not Omarosa's fault that Joy offended Christians and possibly people with mental illnesses. She did that 100% on her own.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 10:59:33 GMT
Oh, Hillary. Poor, poor Hillary. Pssst...I'm a 51 year old married white woman. I've been voting for a lot of years. Not once, EVER, has my husband, father, brother, son, or boss EVER told me how to vote. Maybe that's how things work in YOUR marriage, YOUR family, YOUR world, but not mine. I'm a big girl that can make my own decisions, thank you very much. She just can't accept how irrelevant she is now.
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Post by gar on Mar 14, 2018 11:10:39 GMT
. She just can't accept how irrelevant she is now. If only some of those who keep bringing her up in Trump discussions would see that!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:41:15 GMT
. She just can't accept how irrelevant she is now. If only some of those who keep bringing her up in Trump discussions would see that! Hillary continues to go out and criticize and insult a large segment of our population. People are going to react.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 14, 2018 12:48:13 GMT
If only some of those who keep bringing her up in Trump discussions would see that! Hillary continues to go out and criticize and insult a large segment of our population. People are going to react. As do those who find offense at what trump and the rest of the GOP do! I watched HRC answer the question of the interviewer/host. While her response was not representative of all women, unfortunately there are those who are influenced or brainwashed. It’s a sad sight to see.
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Post by gar on Mar 14, 2018 12:48:25 GMT
If only some of those who keep bringing her up in Trump discussions would see that! Hillary continues to go out and criticize and insult a large segment of our population. People are going to react. So not relevant, just irritating 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 13:02:23 GMT
Hillary continues to go out and criticize and insult a large segment of our population. People are going to react. As do those who find offense at what trump and the rest of the GOP do!
I watched HRC answer the question of the interviewer/host. While her response was not representative of all women, unfortunately there are those who are influenced or brainwashed. It’s a sad sight to see. And they're plenty vocal about it. I'm missing your point I guess. What's the big deal about people bringing up HRC? I personally find Holder, Biden, and several others that I'll keep to myself irrelevant. People continue to bring them up, which I find annoying, but so what? Any time someone brings up HRC they get mocked or criticized. I know you didn't specifically mention HRC in this post, but I see it a lot on the political threads.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 13:21:26 GMT
In this thread, we don't mock people for bringing up Obama, Clinton, or any other past politician, especially when they are on the public circuit still trying to make themselves relevant. In fact, a few topics ago, we were told by a liberal defending another liberal in this very thread that, and I quote:
If you would be offended or startled if Obama or a liberal said the same thing or if you thought it was plausible for Obama or Clinton or whatever boogyman you put in the blank, then it is certainly possible for Trump. This blindness to our own biases is what is creating more of a chasm and less ability to find common ground.
I quoted and applauded it myself at the time because it validated what conservatives here had been saying forever -- it is relevant and sometimes necessary to bring up past politicians. It is not necessary or welcome to tell people they shouldn't do it.
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Post by peano on Mar 14, 2018 14:47:03 GMT
story #410--why I lost. Just saw Hillary stating again why she lost--she NOW blames women that were coerced by their husbands, brothers, fathers to vote for Trump. Not too sure how many stories she's told since the election. 410 was just a guess. I didn't research it. Wasn't this latest one kind of a slap in the face of all females now? How many women here vote the way your husband or male in your life TELL you to vote. I've been married for 53 years, and can't remember ONE election that I voted for someone because my husband told me to. We have similar values, and often vote the same, but I've also voted for people that my husband hasn't voted for. It would be awesome if you would cite a source for this, otherwise, it's kind of like vaguebooking. I don't watch television during the day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 15:41:58 GMT
story #410--why I lost. Just saw Hillary stating again why she lost--she NOW blames women that were coerced by their husbands, brothers, fathers to vote for Trump. Not too sure how many stories she's told since the election. 410 was just a guess. I didn't research it. Wasn't this latest one kind of a slap in the face of all females now? How many women here vote the way your husband or male in your life TELL you to vote. I've been married for 53 years, and can't remember ONE election that I voted for someone because my husband told me to. We have similar values, and often vote the same, but I've also voted for people that my husband hasn't voted for. It would be awesome if you would cite a source for this, otherwise, it's kind of like vaguebooking. I don't watch television during the day. just search HILLARY BLAMES MEN in your search bar, and you'll come up with a zillion. I don't watch tv either--I saw the clip on facebook.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 14, 2018 16:14:29 GMT
If only some of those who keep bringing her up in Trump discussions would see that! Hillary continues to go out and criticize and insult a large segment of our population. People are going to react. I saw that posted on Facebook and then hid it like I do all the other stuff. It's interesting being an independent. I hide stuff from both sides
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 16:21:42 GMT
It would be awesome if you would cite a source for this, otherwise, it's kind of like vaguebooking. I don't watch television during the day. just search HILLARY BLAMES MEN in your search bar, and you'll come up with a zillion. I don't watch tv either--I saw the clip on facebook. and that facebook clip has been doing the rounds for nearly a year. Maybe check out SNOPES
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 14, 2018 16:27:41 GMT
story #410--why I lost. Just saw Hillary stating again why she lost--she NOW blames women that were coerced by their husbands, brothers, fathers to vote for Trump. Not too sure how many stories she's told since the election. 410 was just a guess. I didn't research it. Wasn't this latest one kind of a slap in the face of all females now? How many women here vote the way your husband or male in your life TELL you to vote. I've been married for 53 years, and can't remember ONE election that I voted for someone because my husband told me to. We have similar values, and often vote the same, but I've also voted for people that my husband hasn't voted for. I actually do have a friend whose dad took it upon himself to fill out her absentee ballot the year Bush was running against Kerry. She was livid when she got home and saw that it was already completed. When she asked him why he did hat he said, “because you’ll vote for some dumb ass and I wanted to make sure you voted for he republican”. I’ll never forget it. Just sharing. Weird things happen with families. Carry on.
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Post by betty on Mar 14, 2018 16:31:11 GMT
story #410--why I lost. Just saw Hillary stating again why she lost--she NOW blames women that were coerced by their husbands, brothers, fathers to vote for Trump. Not too sure how many stories she's told since the election. 410 was just a guess. I didn't research it. Wasn't this latest one kind of a slap in the face of all females now? How many women here vote the way your husband or male in your life TELL you to vote. I've been married for 53 years, and can't remember ONE election that I voted for someone because my husband told me to. We have similar values, and often vote the same, but I've also voted for people that my husband hasn't voted for. Dh & I laughed at her comments. We always joke about how I dragged him, kicking and screaming, onto the Trump train while he was still clutching Rubio's coattails. I traveled to Trump rallies and pro-Trump events during the primary season alone. Dh was more of a Rubio/Jeb establishment Republican. Only after Rubio dropped out did dh finally agree to attend a Trump rally with me. Once he realized everything the media was pushing about then candidate Trump's rallies was bull he felt much better about Trump getting the nomination. I think one of the main things that surprised him was hearing then candidate Trump's own words talking about building and construction in a very knowledgeable manner with specific references to the industry of dh's employ.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 16:36:39 GMT
just search HILLARY BLAMES MEN in your search bar, and you'll come up with a zillion. I don't watch tv either--I saw the clip on facebook. and that facebook clip has been doing the rounds for nearly a year. Maybe check out SNOPESHRC's latest comments were from her recent trip to India, as in a few days ago (and she might still be there).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 16:40:00 GMT
and that facebook clip has been doing the rounds for nearly a year. Maybe check out SNOPESHRC's latest comments were from her recent trip to India, as in a few days ago (and she might still be there). Yes I know and snopes covers that in the same article, it's been updated. It's still being taken out of context.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 16:45:00 GMT
HRC's latest comments were from her recent trip to India, as in a few days ago (and she might still be there). Yes I know and snopes covers that in the same article, it's been updated. It's still being taken out of context. Well, I don't know what to say. I heard her say it myself. As I was responding, more clips played on t.v. and I tried to type as I listened (I think I got it): "We do not do well with white men. And married white women. And part of that is the republican party and ongoing pressure to vote the way your husband, son, whoever, believes we (they?) should." She went on to talk about Trump going back in time, and voters being anti-black, or anti-women, or anti-Indian. --This part I had to paraphrase and might have got some wrong. I don't have time to search for the transcipts and videos. Those that want to hear it can look it up.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 14, 2018 16:50:44 GMT
It would be awesome if you would cite a source for this, otherwise, it's kind of like vaguebooking. apparently she's currently in India, and she was promoting her book-- from the WSJ article I found-- "Mrs. Clinton spoke on Saturday in Mumbai at an event sponsored by India Today. She promoted her book about the election, “What Happened,” ..."just because you can find stuff on the internet doesn't necessarily mean it's true of course, but she was promoting her book. Thus, her reason for still discussing the election-- since that is the topic of her book, after all. eta: and personally, I don't think what she was quoted as saying is exactly the same as the Snopes comment. But that's just me. Snopes update: " Once again, Clinton did not actually say that women “caved in” to pressure from men, and this time, she specifically framed her remarks around married white women, not all women, as well as offering historical context for the Democratic party’s declining vote share among the white, female electorate.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Mar 14, 2018 16:51:58 GMT
Yes I know and snopes covers that in the same article, it's been updated. It's still being taken out of context. Well, I don't know what to say. I heard her say it myself. As I was responding, more clips played on t.v. and I tried to type as I listened (I think I got it): "We do not do well with white men. And married white women. And part of that is the republican party and ongoing pressure to vote the way your husband, son, whoever, believes we (they?) should." She went on to talk about Trump going back in time, and voters being anti-black, or anti-women, or anti-Indian. --This part I had to paraphrase and might have got some wrong. I don't have time to search for the transcipts and videos. Those that want to hear it can look it up. There was an article in our very left-leaning newspaper this morning saying this exact thing. And I've heard a few left-leaning people talking about this on TV and they don't know what HRC is thinking when she says this stuff. ETA: Just because she's promoting her book doesn't mean she has to say stuff that validates the people who didn't think she should win in the first place. She continues to come across as a bitter woman who is searching to blame ANYONE BUT HERSELF.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 16:59:27 GMT
Yes I know and snopes covers that in the same article, it's been updated. It's still being taken out of context. Well, I don't know what to say. I heard her say it myself. As I was responding, more clips played on t.v. and I tried to type as I listened (I think I got it): "We do not do well with white men. And married white women. And part of that is the republican party and ongoing pressure to vote the way your husband, son, whoever, believes we (they?) should."She went on to talk about Trump going back in time, and voters being anti-black, or anti-women, or anti-Indian. --This part I had to paraphrase and might have got some wrong. I don't have time to search for the transcipts and videos. Those that want to hear it can look it up. But you can also conclude that what she said is quite true of some women though, world wide not just in US. Quite telling that she said it in India. Some women will do as their husbands tell them to, they go along with whatever and not just in India. That doesn't mean she was referring to all women. There is a big segment of society that still think the men are the head of the household and without being religiously negative, one does find that most of these women who are observant are in a very religious, faith based, household who happen to be Christian republicans in the US. Just because you or me wouldn't vote the way our husbands tell us to doesn't mean that some of these she's referring to don't exist, they do.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 14, 2018 17:10:14 GMT
I see the remarks Hillary made and I have to say that I have not read them in their entirety and do not know the context in which they were said. If she said what you are saying, it is awful and it annoys me very, very much. VERY much. It's a stupid statement, in and of itself. That said, I am curious, about what you all think of Saccone's statement ""I've talked to so many of these on the left," Saccone said. "And they have a hatred for our president. I tell you, many of them have a hatred for our country." "I'll tell you some more — my wife and I saw it again today, they have a hatred for God." Link to One of Many References to His SpeechI mean are you all just flabbergasted? That is a big, big statement and seems manifestly worse than Hillary's (if you had to choose - and you clearly do not). It's hard to imagine that a politician actively running for office would say something this stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 17:12:26 GMT
Well, I don't know what to say. I heard her say it myself. As I was responding, more clips played on t.v. and I tried to type as I listened (I think I got it): "We do not do well with white men. And married white women. And part of that is the republican party and ongoing pressure to vote the way your husband, son, whoever, believes we (they?) should." She went on to talk about Trump going back in time, and voters being anti-black, or anti-women, or anti-Indian. --This part I had to paraphrase and might have got some wrong. I don't have time to search for the transcipts and videos. Those that want to hear it can look it up. There was an article in our very left-leaning newspaper this morning saying this exact thing. And I've heard a few left-leaning people talking about this on TV and they don't know what HRC is thinking when she says this stuff. ETA: Just because she's promoting her book doesn't mean she has to say stuff that validates the people who didn't think she should win in the first place. She continues to come across as a bitter woman who is searching to blame ANYONE BUT HERSELF. Is she a bitter woman or is she just telling the truth and some don’t like hearing it? Maybe instead of outright dismissing what Hillary is saying as the ramblings of a bitter woman one should step back and do a little honest pondering about what she is saying. Couldn’t hurt and one might be surprised with the conclusion they come to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 17:13:58 GMT
just search HILLARY BLAMES MEN in your search bar, and you'll come up with a zillion. I don't watch tv either--I saw the clip on facebook. and that facebook clip has been doing the rounds for nearly a year. Maybe check out SNOPES
It wasn't a clip. She's in India--it just happened this week--and it was her speaking. I heard it with my own ears. I really don't care what snopes says. When you hear it in her own words, and see the words coming out of her mouth, it's real.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 14, 2018 17:17:37 GMT
I really don't care what snopes says. but you basically said 'just google it, and see what you get' when someone asked for specifics about where the quote came from. But now, you don't care what Snopes says- it's a Google result too, is it not? Just trying to understand the disconnect.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 14, 2018 17:22:15 GMT
I don’t know about Snopes and hadn’t read it, and maybe someone posted fake news. All I know is the recent India speech was not the first time she seemed to agree that (white) women deferred to their husbands, etc. in voting: “I talk about a conversation I had with Sheryl Sandberg, who has really helped to put into perspective a lot of research that supports common experiences. And she said, look, the research is absolutely definitive. The more professionally successful a man is, the more likable he is; the more professionally successful a woman is, the less likable she is. And that when women are serving on behalf of someone else, as I was when I was Secretary of State, for example, they are seen favorably. But when they step into the arena and say, wait a minute I think I could do the job, I would like to have that opportunity, their favorabilities goes down. And Sheryl ended this really sobering conversation by saying that women will have no empathy for you, because they will be under tremendous pressure — and I'm talking principally about white women — they will be under tremendous pressure from fathers and husbands and boyfriends and male employers not to vote for "the girl." And we saw a lot of that during the primaries from Sanders supporters, really quite vile attacks online against women who spoke out for me, as I say, one of my biggest support groups, Pantsuit Nation, literally had to become a private site because there was so much sexism directed their way."This is the full transcript of that interview with NPR: linkIf Hillary did not agree with Sheryl’s analysis, she did not say so. I don't know if it was just something careless, but IMO, if you have fashioned yourself a champion of women, these are the kinds of things that get pointed out.
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