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Post by lizacreates on Mar 14, 2018 21:12:45 GMT
Me, too! Someone spill it!  Yeah-bring it! (Ok, but don’t anybody blame for me for derailing, lol.) “I won the places that represent two-thirds of America’s gross domestic product. So, I won the places that are optimistic, diverse, dynamic, moving forward. And his [Trump] whole campaign, “Make America Great Again,” was looking backwards - you didn’t like black people getting rights, you don’t like women getting jobs, you don’t want to see that Indian-American succeeding more than you are, whatever your problem is, I’m going to solve it.”
Really?! I don’t know who wrote this speech/interview answers, but it's a fail, in my opinion. First of all, this country is not just made up of Silicon Valley titans, Hollywood elites, and coastal millionaires. In fact, over one-third of this country is working-class. I don’t care how much you dislike them in private, but you don’t go out in public and disrespect them all over again. One of the reasons she lost that vital voting bloc is because of this arrogance. Yes, I said it – it’s arrogant. I really don’t know if the memories of her failures in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin are so deep in the recesses of her mind that she had forgotten how crucial those three states were to her defeat. To even say things like this in India, where the working class is a huge portion of the population, is just remarkably vapid. Bill Clinton, for all his faults, never thought of the working class as expendable. He connected with them. Empathized with them. Listened to them. Obama had the same skills. Same for Reagan. Same for Carter. Bill told her time and time again that she needed to talk to the working class that has, historically, supported the Democratic Party. He knew how important they are. She and her campaign ignored his suggestions. I don’t know about anybody else on this board, but if I had a husband who managed to get elected twice IN SPITE of scandals, you better believe I’m taking his advice. Secondly, don’t imply that those who went for Trump are backwards. I don’t care what anyone really thinks of them because everyone has his/her own opinion, but if you’re a public figure as she is, you just do not do that. It reinforces the misguided notion that it is only the elites of this country who care about the country’s progress and are the only ones who matter. I have Republican friends and colleagues whose priorities happen to be different than mine, and yes, they voted for Trump. It does not mean that they’re backwards. It does not mean they are indifferent to equality. And it certainly doesn’t mean they are racists. I know this post will probably irk a lot of Liberals, but as far as I'm concerned, when you're a public figure you need to be held responsible for your words. Regardless of whether her entire speech/interview in India was well-received or not, the repercussions of these words she uttered only succeed in further dividing an already severely divided country. And heaven knows, we don’t need any more of that! |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 14, 2018 21:19:22 GMT
huh. I don't see what you see in that quote at all...
I thought you meant she made some sort of factual mistake, like calling Namibia "Nambia" or something like that.
(and I'm not being snarky here; Nambia/Namibia is just the only example I can think of to illustrate the sort of 'mistake' I thought you meant.)
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Post by cadoodlebug on Mar 14, 2018 21:21:07 GMT
Unless the husband, boyfriend, boss, etc. goes into the voting booth with a gun to her head, how in the heck would anyone know who she voted for? I just want to point out that there's not a voting booth in a lot of rural or small towns. Most of the voting here takes place in an open community center with rows of tables. Unless you bring something to shield your ballot, anyone sitting close to you can easily see who you voted for. If a husband and wife goes together, they are likely to sit beside each other and therefore see ones vote. This has been my personal experience for my entire voting life. I've never seen a voting "booth" except on TV and have never had complete privacy as I voted. I find this appalling that there is no privacy while voting. |
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 14, 2018 21:24:30 GMT
OK? I didn't say it held true for every Evangelical. But I AM saying that this is the mindset, or teaching, or culture, or whatever you want to call it that I have seen. IN GENERAL, Evangelicals follow the complementarian theology of the husband as head of the family and the one who makes the decisions. The wife is his helpmate and submits (what that means is obviously open to interpretation). If a woman grows up in this culture/theology and her husband is a strong Republican who believes Democrats hate God and country (like the PA Rep. said a couple days ago), then it is likely that she will vote as her husband wishes. And of course, no one is in the voting booth with the woman as she votes. But I don't think we need to search very deep to understand the psychological impact of being immersed in a culture that praises submission and doesn't necessarily favor independence and free thinking. That is all I was getting at. It isn't every Evangelical woman's experience, but it most definitely is true for some. Maybe many. Maybe even most. Couldn't we make the same comparisons with unions voting for democrats? I'm sure there are many men who spout the union *way* of voting to their wives. Maybe it's different in other states but CA is pretty much run by the unions and democrats. I think you can do this with any group of employees, on any side of the aisle. I know that at my former employer, while she didn’t come right out and demand it, she seriously pushed her opinion that we vote for the dems, because they were more in favor of upping the education budget than the republicans were. In my husband’s former place of employment, the president of his company did come right out and demand that all employees and their spouses vote for the republican candidates. Because they are more in favor of upping the military budget, which is where that company’s money came from (we didn’t listen to him). |
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Post by mom on Mar 14, 2018 21:25:32 GMT
Yes I do know who my husband voted for. My male pastor voted for Hillary. (that did NOT come in a sermon, but our talks between my dh, his wife, and myself socially.) They did not urge us to vote any one way in private or in the service-ever. I don't attend a "white" evengelical church. We're about evenly numbered, white, hispanic, black. My pastor and his wife are Hispanic in fact. I attended a church growing up that had a female pastor. (it was Methodist Evangelical). Yeah. Not the same as what I'm talking about then, not at all. Predominantly white Evangelical churches have been in the news a lot lately. It might be worth it to read some of the articles, from the Atlantic and from Forbes (although that one got pulled and is not available on their site anymore) to get a different perspective. I was explicitly told I could not vote anything but Republican. I had an associate pastor put down Democrats, and a prominent church male put down liberals, in a meeting I was attending.
And Methodists are mainline Protestant. Not the same. I'm not undercutting your experience, but it's like comparing Catholics and Congregationalists. There are similarities but they are different at their essence. If this is your experience then I would suggest finding a new church. I am Evangelical Christian and no one - not my church, pastor, husband or father told me how to vote and if they had I would have cut them from my life. I don't have time or the energy to deal with that crap. I (a white, christian, married woman) voted for a women as did my husband. I did not know he would be voting for a women until after the fact and we discussed it at dinner that night. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 21:28:49 GMT
Yes I do know who my husband voted for. My male pastor voted for Hillary. (that did NOT come in a sermon, but our talks between my dh, his wife, and myself socially.) They did not urge us to vote any one way in private or in the service-ever. I don't attend a "white" evengelical church. We're about evenly numbered, white, hispanic, black. My pastor and his wife are Hispanic in fact. I attended a church growing up that had a female pastor. (it was Methodist Evangelical). Yeah. Not the same as what I'm talking about then, not at all. Predominantly white Evangelical churches have been in the news a lot lately. It might be worth it to read some of the articles, from the Atlantic and from Forbes (although that one got pulled and is not available on their site anymore) to get a different perspective. I was explicitly told I could not vote anything but Republican. I had an associate pastor put down Democrats, and a prominent church male put down liberals, in a meeting I was attending. And Methodists are mainline Protestant. Not the same. I'm not undercutting your experience, but it's like comparing Catholics and Congregationalists. There are similarities but they are different at their essence. Did you abide? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 21:36:52 GMT
Yes I do know who my husband voted for. My male pastor voted for Hillary. (that did NOT come in a sermon, but our talks between my dh, his wife, and myself socially.) They did not urge us to vote any one way in private or in the service-ever. I don't attend a "white" evengelical church. We're about evenly numbered, white, hispanic, black. My pastor and his wife are Hispanic in fact. I attended a church growing up that had a female pastor. (it was Methodist Evangelical). Yeah. Not the same as what I'm talking about then, not at all. Predominantly white Evangelical churches have been in the news a lot lately. It might be worth it to read some of the articles, from the Atlantic and from Forbes (although that one got pulled and is not available on their site anymore) to get a different perspective. I was explicitly told I could not vote anything but Republican. I had an associate pastor put down Democrats, and a prominent church male put down liberals, in a meeting I was attending. And Methodists are mainline Protestant. Not the same. I'm not undercutting your experience, but it's like comparing Catholics and Congregationalists. There are similarities but they are different at their essence. I'm Southern Baptist now--very evangelical. I know my denomination gets a lot of flack, but they do a lot of good things in our country. I'm happy to be a part of their work. |
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Post by redhead32 on Mar 14, 2018 21:55:50 GMT
Yeah. Not the same as what I'm talking about then, not at all. Predominantly white Evangelical churches have been in the news a lot lately. It might be worth it to read some of the articles, from the Atlantic and from Forbes (although that one got pulled and is not available on their site anymore) to get a different perspective. I was explicitly told I could not vote anything but Republican. I had an associate pastor put down Democrats, and a prominent church male put down liberals, in a meeting I was attending. And Methodists are mainline Protestant. Not the same. I'm not undercutting your experience, but it's like comparing Catholics and Congregationalists. There are similarities but they are different at their essence. Did you abide? Nope. Also, not part of that church anymore. For a variety of reasons. It was a long, painful process though. ETA: I think this has been particularly painful for me because I was extremely involved in my church community for 10 years. I have not changed my core beliefs during those 10 years. I am the same person who worked side-by-side with other church members in ministry after ministry. I was at the church 4 days a week, teaching and serving. But because I refused to vote Republican, I was told I wasn't Christian. Funny - I thought loving God and loving my neighbor were requirements of faith. Silly me. |
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Post by redhead32 on Mar 14, 2018 21:59:44 GMT
Yeah. Not the same as what I'm talking about then, not at all. Predominantly white Evangelical churches have been in the news a lot lately. It might be worth it to read some of the articles, from the Atlantic and from Forbes (although that one got pulled and is not available on their site anymore) to get a different perspective. I was explicitly told I could not vote anything but Republican. I had an associate pastor put down Democrats, and a prominent church male put down liberals, in a meeting I was attending.
And Methodists are mainline Protestant. Not the same. I'm not undercutting your experience, but it's like comparing Catholics and Congregationalists. There are similarities but they are different at their essence. If this is your experience then I would suggest finding a new church. I am Evangelical Christian and no one - not my church, pastor, husband or father told me how to vote and if they had I would have cut them from my life. I don't have time or the energy to deal with that crap. I (a white, christian, married woman) voted for a women as did my husband. I did not know he would be voting for a women until after the fact and we discussed it at dinner that night. I'm glad that is your experience. And I have found a different church. Of course, that doesn't really help the other women in the church I left. But I also don't think my experience is as unique as the people on this board believe. Again, there have been multiple articles published by religious and non-religious sources over the past few weeks that address some of these things. |
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Post by peasquared on Mar 14, 2018 22:01:28 GMT
I just want to point out that there's not a voting booth in a lot of rural or small towns. Most of the voting here takes place in an open community center with rows of tables. Unless you bring something to shield your ballot, anyone sitting close to you can easily see who you voted for. If a husband and wife goes together, they are likely to sit beside each other and therefore see ones vote. This has been my personal experience for my entire voting life. I've never seen a voting "booth" except on TV and have never had complete privacy as I voted. I find this appalling that there is no privacy while voting. This is how it is in my area, as well. Now I vote absentee. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 14, 2018 22:22:16 GMT
OK? I didn't say it held true for every Evangelical. But I AM saying that this is the mindset, or teaching, or culture, or whatever you want to call it that I have seen. IN GENERAL, Evangelicals follow the complementarian theology of the husband as head of the family and the one who makes the decisions. The wife is his helpmate and submits (what that means is obviously open to interpretation). If a woman grows up in this culture/theology and her husband is a strong Republican who believes Democrats hate God and country (like the PA Rep. said a couple days ago), then it is likely that she will vote as her husband wishes. And of course, no one is in the voting booth with the woman as she votes. But I don't think we need to search very deep to understand the psychological impact of being immersed in a culture that praises submission and doesn't necessarily favor independence and free thinking. That is all I was getting at. It isn't every Evangelical woman's experience, but it most definitely is true for some. Maybe many. Maybe even most. Couldn't we make the same comparisons with unions voting for democrats? I'm sure there are many men who spout the union *way* of voting to their wives. Maybe it's different in other states but CA is pretty much run by the unions and democrats. I’m one of those wives—the union hall mails out a list of who they are/have supported prior to the elections (they are also helpful to weed through a lot of the wordy issues on the ballot!) I do look at the list, but my vote is of my own free will and decision. Unfortunately I know spouses who do not subscribe to the same, for several reasons— 1) some in the union are hard core guys who are“the union employs me to feed and cloth this family so you need to vote to this list”, 2)some are very “Christian” who fully well believe that the wife is to be submissive and do what the man of the house dictates (its heartbreaking to see some of the wives of these men, they are trump like disrespectful and bullying), and, 3)some have no desire to look into the candidates and issues and use the list as their voting sheet. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 14, 2018 22:25:38 GMT
I just want to point out that there's not a voting booth in a lot of rural or small towns. Most of the voting here takes place in an open community center with rows of tables. Unless you bring something to shield your ballot, anyone sitting close to you can easily see who you voted for. If a husband and wife goes together, they are likely to sit beside each other and therefore see ones vote. This has been my personal experience for my entire voting life. I've never seen a voting "booth" except on TV and have never had complete privacy as I voted. I find this appalling that there is no privacy while voting. In my state, if I know your name, I can look up who you voted for in the most recent election. It is NOT private at all. |
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Post by peasapie on Mar 14, 2018 22:27:13 GMT
I find this appalling that there is no privacy while voting. In my state, if I know your name, I can look up who you voted for in the most recent election. It is NOT private at all. What states have public voting? I've heard of being able to see whether someone voted, but I have never heard of being able to see who you voted for. SaveSave |
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Post by PLurker on Mar 14, 2018 22:30:08 GMT
I find this appalling that there is no privacy while voting. In my state, if I know your name, I can look up who you voted for in the most recent election. It is NOT private at all.  ,  and  . Seriously?!?! (I've never heard of such a thing) Whoo you voted for or just IF you voted? off to google... |
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 14, 2018 22:30:10 GMT
I live in the reddest state in the union-Oklahoma. It is also one of the most evangelical.
Our current governor is female. This is her second term as governor. (Her approval ratings have tanked, but that is attributable to budget issues, not because she is female). Oklahoma City had a very popular female mayor from 1971-1983 at a time when very few women were involved in politics. Tulsa has had two recent female mayors.
If husbands are telling their wives who to vote for in this very conservative state, then they are often telling them to vote for female candidates.
I grew up in Oklahoma in the 70s and attended morning and evening services at my Southern Baptist church every Sunday. I heard a lot about men being the head of the household, but I never once heard a preacher or anyone else suggest that men should tell their wives who to vote for. I'm sure there might be some women whose husbands tell them who they should vote for, but I certainly don't think it's a common thing.
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 14, 2018 22:31:45 GMT
I find this appalling that there is no privacy while voting. In my state, if I know your name, I can look up who you voted for in the most recent election. It is NOT private at all. I think the most you could find out is what primary ballot a person requested - that's going to indicate whether you are likely Republican or Democrat (or at least chose that ballot in the most recent primary) but I don't believe you could actually find out for whom someone voted. |
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Post by mom on Mar 14, 2018 22:43:45 GMT
I live in the reddest state in the union-Oklahoma. It is also one of the most evangelical. Our current governor is female. This is her second term as governor. (Her approval ratings have tanked, but that is attributable to budget issues, not because she is female). Oklahoma City had a very popular female mayor from 1971-1983 at a time when very few women were involved in politics. Tulsa has had two recent female mayors. If husbands are telling their wives who to vote for in this very conservative state, then they are often telling them to vote for female candidates. I grew up in Oklahoma in the 70s and attended morning and evening services at my Southern Baptist church every Sunday. I heard a lot about men being the head of the household, but I never once heard a preacher or anyone else suggest that men should tell their wives who to vote for. I'm sure there might be some women whose husbands tell them who they should vote for, but I certainly don't think it's a common thing.
This was my experience growing up as well - though in Texas. My parents were Southern Baptist Missionaries with the Foreign Mission Board. I was at church twice on Sundays, and every Wednesday night. I knew who Lottie Moon was before I knew who went to the moon. Growing up my reading material was the church hymnal. I've been a member of a baptist church where people were all white, another where no one was white but 7 members of my family. My church now is not Southern Baptist and has a women pastor. Never once did I hear a preacher tell men to instruct wives on how to vote. Hell, most never even mentioned politics from the pulpit at all other than to say to pray for our leaders. |
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Post by jenis40 on Mar 14, 2018 22:47:46 GMT
I find this appalling that there is no privacy while voting. This is how it is in my area, as well. Now I vote absentee. Yet another reason I love the vote by mail system my state uses. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 23:03:04 GMT
I live in the reddest state in the union-Oklahoma. It is also one of the most evangelical. Our current governor is female. This is her second term as governor. (Her approval ratings have tanked, but that is attributable to budget issues, not because she is female). Oklahoma City had a very popular female mayor from 1971-1983 at a time when very few women were involved in politics. Tulsa has had two recent female mayors. If husbands are telling their wives who to vote for in this very conservative state, then they are often telling them to vote for female candidates. I grew up in Oklahoma in the 70s and attended morning and evening services at my Southern Baptist church every Sunday. I heard a lot about men being the head of the household, but I never once heard a preacher or anyone else suggest that men should tell their wives who to vote for. I'm sure there might be some women whose husbands tell them who they should vote for, but I certainly don't think it's a common thing.
This was my experience growing up as well - though in Texas. My parents were Southern Baptist Missionaries with the Foreign Mission Board. I was at church twice on Sundays, and every Wednesday night. I knew who Lottie Moon was before I knew who went to the moon. Growing up my reading material was the church hymnal. I've been a member of a baptist church where people were all white, another where no one was white but 7 members of my family. My church now is not Southern Baptist and has a women pastor. Never once did I hear a preacher tell men to instruct wives on how to vote. Hell, most never even mentioned politics from the pulpit at all other than to say to pray for our leaders. I've never heard any of my Southern Baptist preachers say anything about voting either. I've been in a Southern Baptist church since 1972--with at least 13 different pastors, in two different states, and 5 different churches. |
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Post by jlynnbarth on Mar 14, 2018 23:15:58 GMT
I too, have been to a lot of churches over the years, most of them Baptist when I was young and I have never had a Pastor tell the congregation who to vote for. The most any of them talk about Politics is to say "pray for our leaders". It hasn't mattered who held the office.
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Post by redhead32 on Mar 14, 2018 23:45:06 GMT
I too, have been to a lot of churches over the years, most of them Baptist when I was young and I have never had a Pastor tell the congregation who to vote for. The most any of them talk about Politics is to say "pray for our leaders". It hasn't mattered who held the office. The pastors don't say it from the pulpit. They do feel comfortable saying negative things about liberals or democrats in smaller settings. Youth leaders feel comfortable making negative comments about kneeling NFL players in front of the youth group. Women in the church feel comfortable telling me not to be divisive if I express unhappiness with the current president. Not all of them. Not every conversation. I'm unclear what the threshold is for it to matter. My experience is mine. The fact that yours was different doesn't make mine any less true. I'm bowing out. Those of you that have had delightful Evangelical experiences and have had a wide variety of female pastors, congratulations. I wish my experience had been more like yours. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 14, 2018 23:48:43 GMT
In my state, if I know your name, I can look up who you voted for in the most recent election. It is NOT private at all. WHAT!! You can tell what PEOPLE are voted for or just the party? In NJ you have to declare to vote in the primary, Dem or Rep... That stays with your name unless you change it between elections. You can vote for whomever/whatever party in the general elections. I have never heard of putting name on ballots ever! Certainly not possible with machines and over the years if I am there with other people we deliberately go out of order. |
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Post by megop on Mar 15, 2018 1:49:50 GMT
Well, I don't know what to say. I heard her say it myself. As I was responding, more clips played on t.v. and I tried to type as I listened (I think I got it): "We do not do well with white men. And married white women. And part of that is the republican party and ongoing pressure to vote the way your husband, son, whoever, believes we (they?) should."She went on to talk about Trump going back in time, and voters being anti-black, or anti-women, or anti-Indian. --This part I had to paraphrase and might have got some wrong. I don't have time to search for the transcipts and videos. Those that want to hear it can look it up. But you can also conclude that what she said is quite true of some women though, world wide not just in US. Quite telling that she said it in India. Some women will do as their husbands tell them to, they go along with whatever and not just in India. That doesn't mean she was referring to all women. There is a big segment of society that still think the men are the head of the household and without being religiously negative, one does find that most of these women who are observant are in a very religious, faith based, household who happen to be Christian republicans in the US. Just because you or me wouldn't vote the way our husbands tell us to doesn't mean that some of these she's referring to don't exist, they do. I get your point, but bear with me. This would hold true for most any statement made by any politician no? SOME people are responsible gun owners. SOME people are racist. SOME illegal immigrants have criminal records. To me either we are going to hold politicians responsible for offensive language, or we aren't. Am I missing something? Truly asking here. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 15, 2018 1:53:16 GMT
But you can also conclude that what she said is quite true of some women though, world wide not just in US. Quite telling that she said it in India. Some women will do as their husbands tell them to, they go along with whatever and not just in India. That doesn't mean she was referring to all women. There is a big segment of society that still think the men are the head of the household and without being religiously negative, one does find that most of these women who are observant are in a very religious, faith based, household who happen to be Christian republicans in the US. Just because you or me wouldn't vote the way our husbands tell us to doesn't mean that some of these she's referring to don't exist, they do. I get your point, but bear with me. This would hold true for most any statement made by any politician no? SOME people are responsible gun owners. SOME people are racist. SOME illegal immigrants have criminal records. To me either we are going to hold politicians responsible for offensive language, or we aren't. Am I missing something? Truly asking here. Sure, she should be held responsible. And Trump should be held responsible for the idiotic statements and tweets he makes. Everyone should be held responsible. And then we compare each person's list of stupid things said out loud (because really, we all say something stupid now and then) and see whose is the longest, and that is the person who should not be president. I'll give you a hint.  |
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Post by megop on Mar 15, 2018 1:54:20 GMT
I find this appalling that there is no privacy while voting. In my state, if I know your name, I can look up who you voted for in the most recent election. It is NOT private at all. Hmmm, could you clarify a bit more regarding this? I'm thinking you may have misspoken a bit regarding how you would have this type of access and why. |
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Post by mom on Mar 15, 2018 2:07:49 GMT
For all of those who are saying they can find out how a person voted, that is not legal. One thing that is private everywhere: how you voted. The contents of ballots are always secret. Other voter data is largely a matter of public record. It’s collected for public purposes, not private ones, and there’s no opt-out on sharing this information. Voter records may contain facts about individuals, including… Name Street address Party affiliation Elections in which you did (or did not) vote Phone number Email address www.forbes.com/sites/metabrown/2015/12/28/voter-data-whats-public-whats-private/#6f06ba341591 |
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Post by megop on Mar 15, 2018 2:19:35 GMT
For all of those who are saying they can find out how a person voted, that is not legal. One thing that is private everywhere: how you voted. The contents of ballots are always secret. Other voter data is largely a matter of public record. It’s collected for public purposes, not private ones, and there’s no opt-out on sharing this information. Voter records may contain facts about individuals, including… Name Street address Party affiliation Elections in which you did (or did not) vote Phone number Email address www.forbes.com/sites/metabrown/2015/12/28/voter-data-whats-public-whats-private/#6f06ba341591Agreed. Why I asked for clarification. I'm thinking it a reference to party affiliation, but didn't want to assume.  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 15, 2018 2:22:38 GMT
In my state, if I know your name, I can look up who you voted for in the most recent election. It is NOT private at all. WHAT!! You can tell what PEOPLE are voted for or just the party? In NJ you have to declare to vote in the primary, Dem or Rep... That stays with your name unless you change it between elections. You can vote for whomever/whatever party in the general elections. I have never heard of putting name on ballots ever! Certainly not possible with machines and over the years if I am there with other people we deliberately go out of order. I’m looking for the website where I discovered this (back in November 2016) when I saw it, I was like WTF?!?!! Had a whole list of my neighborhood and who they voted for in the Internet! I don’t remember what I was searching for that got me there. I know that the county voter records show maps of your home, what elections you voted in and what party affiliation you chose. |
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Post by PeachStatePea on Mar 15, 2018 2:23:22 GMT
I've attended numerous evangelical churches regularly since 1975 and have never heard a pastor or church leader tell anyone who to vote for. Ever. If political statements are made from the pulpit the church can lose its tax exempt status.
As a white married woman (the women HRC specifically mentioned) I am extremely appalled and offended that she thinks I only vote for who my husband/son tells me to. Nothing could be further from the truth for any woman I know. The fact that HRC would say this out loud tells me what she really thinks about women like me and its not good.
Her comments about Trump voters not wanting women to have jobs or blacks to have civil rights is despicable. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 2:29:15 GMT
But you can also conclude that what she said is quite true of some women though, world wide not just in US. Quite telling that she said it in India. Some women will do as their husbands tell them to, they go along with whatever and not just in India. That doesn't mean she was referring to all women. There is a big segment of society that still think the men are the head of the household and without being religiously negative, one does find that most of these women who are observant are in a very religious, faith based, household who happen to be Christian republicans in the US. Just because you or me wouldn't vote the way our husbands tell us to doesn't mean that some of these she's referring to don't exist, they do. I get your point, but bear with me. This would hold true for most any statement made by any politician no? SOME people are responsible gun owners. SOME people are racist. SOME illegal immigrants have criminal records. To me either we are going to hold politicians responsible for offensive language, or we aren't. Am I missing something? Truly asking here. I would hold everyone responsible for offensive language and there's no one more offensive with his use of language than Trump IMO. I'm not sure what you mean with the comparison of offensive language to what HC said though. It's quite true that some women are observant to the male of the household, that isn't offensive IMO, it's a statement of truth. |
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