jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Apr 3, 2018 11:57:22 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 3, 2018 12:31:03 GMT
David Hogg calls for advertisers to punish Laura Ingraham for tweeting what David Hogg, himself said about being rejected by colleges he applied to. She apologized, but he said not good enough, that he needs to take it further. She didn't say anything hateful, racist or even wrong. Was it necessary? No, but the only objectionable thing in her statement was stating what he himself said and calling it whining. Is a boycott of her really necessary under those circumstances? I don't think so, it's extremely, almost laughably mild. Especially when contrasted to the things he has said, but he insists on continuing shutting her down. Even those generally in agreement with him are saying he's taking it too far. What is the go to boycott response to opposing viewpoints in general going to do to political discourse in this country? I completely agree with this. I just do not get it. I was going to comment a few days ago, but as usual, the thread devolved and I lost interest. She apologized and instead of acting like an adult, Hogg kept at it and refused to accept the apology. He wants to be seen and treated as an adult until being an adult is too hard. I certainly don’t think Ingraham is being the bully in this situation. I’m not going to comment on the CNN video because I think people are arguing shades of grey, and regardless of what I think, someone is going to argue. I do have a question regarding the “caravan” of people that are planning to cross our border en masse from Mexico. I watched two different news stations this morning; one covered it almost exclusively and the other didn’t mention it at all. So, which is it? The sky is falling or nothing to see here? People don’t have to accept apologies. I personally wouldn’t accept her apology, either, because given her track record, it is most likely not sincere and her behavior won’t change. Not accepting an apology doesn’t make the person who needed to do the apologizing the hero and the person they offended the bad guy.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 3, 2018 13:06:11 GMT
This will probably go nowhere but can this one thread be a place for conservatives to discuss among each other without all this fighting? I looked over the Trump catch all thread and it appears that conservatives are staying out of it. I don't feel like I fit into either category of liberal or conservative, but there have been a few things I thought about posting here that pertains to how scrubologist started this thread. If you don't like what is said here and know it will be derail the thread, will you please start a new political thread on that subject? I'd like to discuss more politics but I'm so tired of things going off track and getting personal. This pertains to BOTH sides. Please just leave this one thread alone. I know, I know I'm not the thread police, but please let the conservatives have this one place to be able to talk to each other.
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Post by lizacreates on Apr 3, 2018 13:24:52 GMT
This will probably go nowhere but can this one thread be a place for conservatives to discuss among each other without all this fighting? I looked over the Trump catch all thread and it appears that conservatives are staying out of it. I don't feel like I fit into either category of liberal or conservative, but there have been a few things I thought about posting here that pertains to how scrubologist started this thread. If you don't like what is said here and know it will be derail the thread, will you please start a new political thread on that subject? I'd like to discuss more politics but I'm so tired of things going off track and getting personal. This pertains to BOTH sides. Please just leave this one thread alone. I know, I know I'm not the thread police, but please let the conservatives have this one place to be able to talk to each other.I don’t think you’re acting like the thread police at all. Yours is a perfectly reasonable request, especially since @scrubologist had intended the thread to be a place where conservatives and like-minded can discuss current events and politics amongst themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 14:01:41 GMT
This will probably go nowhere but can this one thread be a place for conservatives to discuss among each other without all this fighting? I looked over the Trump catch all thread and it appears that conservatives are staying out of it. I don't feel like I fit into either category of liberal or conservative, but there have been a few things I thought about posting here that pertains to how scrubologist started this thread. If you don't like what is said here and know it will be derail the thread, will you please start a new political thread on that subject? I'd like to discuss more politics but I'm so tired of things going off track and getting personal. This pertains to BOTH sides. Please just leave this one thread alone. I know, I know I'm not the thread police, but please let the conservatives have this one place to be able to talk to each other. Would be nice.
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Post by Kymberlee on Apr 3, 2018 14:19:30 GMT
No, iamkristinl16, no one needs to accept an apology, but given the almost nothingness of the tweet, it might have been a more grown up choice. Instead, he shakes his fist and denounces anyone that doesn’t agree with him. Her track record and behavior? Color me confused.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 3, 2018 14:27:12 GMT
This will probably go nowhere but can this one thread be a place for conservatives to discuss among each other without all this fighting? I looked over the Trump catch all thread and it appears that conservatives are staying out of it. I don't feel like I fit into either category of liberal or conservative, but there have been a few things I thought about posting here that pertains to how scrubologist started this thread. If you don't like what is said here and know it will be derail the thread, will you please start a new political thread on that subject? I'd like to discuss more politics but I'm so tired of things going off track and getting personal. This pertains to BOTH sides. Please just leave this one thread alone. I know, I know I'm not the thread police, but please let the conservatives have this one place to be able to talk to each other. I jumped on here and started with the back - page 28. I read the three links that were posted without explanation, but with the implication that Fox was way out of step with the other two. I didn't find that at all, so it's just more Fox-bashing. Then, it's David Hogg vs Laura Ingraham and how the same kid who should not be criticized because of his age or perspective does not need to accept an apology from anyone for recounting his words and disagreeing with them. (First I've heard of this, so this is only what I read at the top of this page.) I'm done. Normally, I'd try to go back a page and read some more, but what's the point? So I can find why there was this need to shame Fox? Or read more about David Hogg? Thanks, but no thanks. There's the entire rest of the board as well as other social media for that. <waving to @scrubologist>
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 14:37:20 GMT
This will probably go nowhere but can this one thread be a place for conservatives to discuss among each other without all this fighting? I looked over the Trump catch all thread and it appears that conservatives are staying out of it. I don't feel like I fit into either category of liberal or conservative, but there have been a few things I thought about posting here that pertains to how scrubologist started this thread. If you don't like what is said here and know it will be derail the thread, will you please start a new political thread on that subject? I'd like to discuss more politics but I'm so tired of things going off track and getting personal. This pertains to BOTH sides. Please just leave this one thread alone. I know, I know I'm not the thread police, but please let the conservatives have this one place to be able to talk to each other. Would be nice. There are two or three major combatants - just don't respond no matter which side they are on. I have two on ignore and may have to add another since they all derail the thread. Hopefully without an audience they will wander back to another thread.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 3, 2018 14:52:12 GMT
This will probably go nowhere but can this one thread be a place for conservatives to discuss among each other without all this fighting? I looked over the Trump catch all thread and it appears that conservatives are staying out of it. I don't feel like I fit into either category of liberal or conservative, but there have been a few things I thought about posting here that pertains to how scrubologist started this thread. If you don't like what is said here and know it will be derail the thread, will you please start a new political thread on that subject? I'd like to discuss more politics but I'm so tired of things going off track and getting personal. This pertains to BOTH sides. Please just leave this one thread alone. I know, I know I'm not the thread police, but please let the conservatives have this one place to be able to talk to each other. I know that I, for one, have been trying to avoid this thread. However, I do check in occasionally because I would like to see what the conservatives think about some of the big issues in this country and they are not weighing in on them anywhere else. But, it seems that the only thing really being discussed is Hillary and if she was offensive or not.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 3, 2018 14:54:47 GMT
There are two or three major combatants - just don't respond no matter which side they are on. I have two on ignore and may have to add another since they all derail the thread. Hopefully without an audience they will wander back to another thread. I was going to say the same thing. You all know who is derailing this thread, you all know nothing you say is going to change them. Just put the person on ignore and carry on. Don’t let them ruin this for you. -Signed a liberal pea who reads this thread but doesn’t post because I know that it isn’t my place, nor is anything I post going to change your mind. I do like reading here though because I think it is good not to live in a vacuum and sometimes it helps me understand where more conservative people are coming from. Some times it just makes me angry, but that is ok too! I still keep quiet and I think it would be a shame if you guys stopped posting here because of a few certain peas who just like arguing. There are quite a few of us on the other liberal posts that either just scroll by certain posts, ignore certain posts or just don’t respond. You guys can do that too.
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Post by jennyap on Apr 3, 2018 15:04:07 GMT
I read the three links that were posted without explanation, but with the implication that Fox was way out of step with the other two. I didn't find that at all, so it's just more Fox-bashing. But there was an explanation? A variety of sources were provided so people could read different perspectives and make up their own mind. It's a real shame if acknowledging that there are different ways to view an issue is now seen as 'bashing' one of them (because the latter certainly wasn't explicit and I find it hard to see where it could be implicit either).
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Post by Kymberlee on Apr 3, 2018 15:18:39 GMT
I, for one, do appreciate people with differing views actually discussing issues without being argumentative and condescending. I also like to talk about things I’ve seen and read without being told that I am racist and a horrible person. There are a few liberal peas on this thread that actually add to the discussion, but there a another few that are just arguing to argue. leftturnonly , please stick around. I enjoy reading your well thought out point of view. 😎 As far as this caravan is concerned, I think we should all be worried about it. It is not going to end well. The group that is sponsoring this caravan are looking for a conflict, and I’m afraid they are going to get one. As far as it happening with little fanfare for the last 5 years (according the NYT article) Well, we had a prior administration that viewed illegal immigration differently so that should tell you something. The fact that “all of the sudden” it is a problem is untrue. Illegal immigration has been a problem for many, many years but now some group is escorting and encouraging a very large contingent of people to cross our borders illegally.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 15:21:32 GMT
Mexico stops caravan link
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 16:13:05 GMT
I, for one, do appreciate people with differing views actually discussing issues without being argumentative and condescending. I also like to talk about things I’ve seen and read without being told that I am racist and a horrible person. There are a few liberal peas on this thread that actually add to the discussion, but there a another few that are just arguing to argue.
leftturnonly , please stick around. I enjoy reading your well thought out point of view. 😎
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 3, 2018 16:19:37 GMT
I read the three links that were posted without explanation, but with the implication that Fox was way out of step with the other two. I didn't find that at all, so it's just more Fox-bashing. But there was an explanation? A variety of sources were provided so people could read different perspectives and make up their own mind. It's a real shame if acknowledging that there are different ways to view an issue is now seen as 'bashing' one of them (because the latter certainly wasn't explicit and I find it hard to see where it could be implicit either). No, on this page there was not an explanation, as I said. I read all three articles and I didn't see that big a difference between any of them. So, without going back to see what the need was for the links, the obvious conclusion is that it's more of the same. More of the same here is Fox bashing. Nothing more than the same old same old. If I wanted that, I could read any other thread here. FWIW - they were all three interesting articles. I expected there to be a big difference between them. Not so much. Don't like my opinion about this page on this thread? <shrug> I don't really care. I opened this page of this thread hoping for something different from what I found.
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Post by imsirius on Apr 3, 2018 18:28:07 GMT
Just stepping in to say yes, conservatives post on the other trump thread too. A few same pot stirrers as you claim come here.
Just wanted to clear that up..I will apparate out now.
POOF
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Post by gale w on Apr 3, 2018 18:33:06 GMT
I'd really rather not put people on ignore. I do enjoy some of their posts in the non political threads. I'll just have to see who is posting (in this thread) before bothering to read the actual post.
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jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Apr 3, 2018 18:34:21 GMT
This will probably go nowhere but can this one thread be a place for conservatives to discuss among each other without all this fighting? I looked over the Trump catch all thread and it appears that conservatives are staying out of it. I don't feel like I fit into either category of liberal or conservative, but there have been a few things I thought about posting here that pertains to how scrubologist started this thread. If you don't like what is said here and know it will be derail the thread, will you please start a new political thread on that subject? I'd like to discuss more politics but I'm so tired of things going off track and getting personal. This pertains to BOTH sides. Please just leave this one thread alone. I know, I know I'm not the thread police, but please let the conservatives have this one place to be able to talk to each other. I jumped on here and started with the back - page 28. I read the three links that were posted without explanation, but with the implication that Fox was way out of step with the other two. I didn't find that at all, so it's just more Fox-bashing.Then, it's David Hogg vs Laura Ingraham and how the same kid who should not be criticized because of his age or perspective does not need to accept an apology from anyone for recounting his words and disagreeing with them. (First I've heard of this, so this is only what I read at the top of this page.) I'm done. Normally, I'd try to go back a page and read some more, but what's the point? So I can find why there was this need to shame Fox? Or read more about David Hogg? Thanks, but no thanks. There's the entire rest of the board as well as other social media for that. <waving to @scrubologist > You are making assumptions. There was NO IMPLICATION. If that's how you perceived it, it's on you. I posted three different links to show the perspective of different news agencies and stated you can make up your own mind. Read all three and determine the truth yourself.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 3, 2018 18:53:25 GMT
I'd really rather not put people on ignore. I do enjoy some of their posts in the non political threads. I'll just have to see who is posting (in this thread) before bothering to read the actual post. I agree and I have several on ignore. But that means that I can't enjoy their other threads, which sucks. But when it was 5-6 different threads every day it was overwhelming the board and making me not enjoy coming here like I used to. So I put them on ignore and now I don't have to deal with the daily bashing of someone I didn't even vote for! It's just more enjoyable without all that constant negativity.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 3, 2018 18:59:20 GMT
This will probably go nowhere but can this one thread be a place for conservatives to discuss among each other without all this fighting? I looked over the Trump catch all thread and it appears that conservatives are staying out of it. I don't feel like I fit into either category of liberal or conservative, but there have been a few things I thought about posting here that pertains to how scrubologist started this thread. If you don't like what is said here and know it will be derail the thread, will you please start a new political thread on that subject? I'd like to discuss more politics but I'm so tired of things going off track and getting personal. This pertains to BOTH sides. Please just leave this one thread alone. I know, I know I'm not the thread police, but please let the conservatives have this one place to be able to talk to each other. As another non liberal/non conservative I agree. I thought this thread was started as some place that conservatives/moderates/independents/etc could just chat. Conservatives were told to stay out of the ongoing liberal thread, something about it being their sandbox. So this was just a nice place to chat about politics without all the sky is falling doom and gloom. Some people seem to not be happy if they can't make others miserable with them
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Post by mom on Apr 3, 2018 19:46:36 GMT
Well, I have put several on ignore and quite frankly, its been nice. Sure, I would love to hear their voice on non-political threads, but they've insisted on continuing here. So ignore it is.
FWIW, I think this thread is a prime example as to why Trump won and no one saw it coming. Conservatives are out there telling people how they see things and no one wants to listen. We are told 9 different ways how we are wrong, ignorant and stupid. I have never changed anyone's mind by treating them rudely, arguing and being a bully. I suspect the same is true for others.
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Post by mom on Apr 3, 2018 19:50:21 GMT
I, for one, do appreciate people with differing views actually discussing issues without being argumentative and condescending. I also like to talk about things I’ve seen and read without being told that I am racist and a horrible person. There are a few liberal peas on this thread that actually add to the discussion, but there a another few that are just arguing to argue. leftturnonly , please stick around. I enjoy reading your well thought out point of view. 😎 As far as this caravan is concerned, I think we should all be worried about it. It is not going to end well. The group that is sponsoring this caravan are looking for a conflict, and I’m afraid they are going to get one. As far as it happening with little fanfare for the last 5 years (according the NYT article) Well, we had a prior administration that viewed illegal immigration differently so that should tell you something. The fact that “all of the sudden” it is a problem is untrue. Illegal immigration has been a problem for many, many years but now some group is escorting and encouraging a very large contingent of people to cross our borders illegally. I agree. I don't believe they will just turn around on their own.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 19:58:11 GMT
Well, I have put several on ignore and quite frankly, its been nice. Sure, I would love to hear their voice on non-political threads, but they've insisted on continuing here. So ignore it is. FWIW, I think this thread is a prime example as to why Trump won and no one saw it coming. Conservatives are out there telling people how they see things and no one wants to listen. We are told 9 different ways how we are wrong, ignorant and stupid. I have never changed anyone's mind by treating them rudely, arguing and being a bully. I suspect the same is true for others. mymindisoverdose.tumblr.com/post/37505896858Apparently I cannot post a gif, but standing ovation for you mom.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 20:06:09 GMT
Well, I have put several on ignore and quite frankly, its been nice. Sure, I would love to hear their voice on non-political threads, but they've insisted on continuing here. So ignore it is. FWIW, I think this thread is a prime example as to why Trump won and no one saw it coming. Conservatives are out there telling people how they see things and no one wants to listen. We are told 9 different ways how we are wrong, ignorant and stupid. I have never changed anyone's mind by treating them rudely, arguing and being a bully. I suspect the same is true for others. yes to all, and insert racist.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 3, 2018 21:12:46 GMT
Just stepping in to say yes, conservatives post on the other trump thread too. A few same pot stirrers as you claim come here. Just wanted to clear that up..I will apparate out now. POOF Thanks. I went through about 11 pages of the Trump thread before I decided to post. I know there were 32. I tried to be sure.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 3, 2018 21:19:06 GMT
Well, I have put several on ignore and quite frankly, its been nice. Sure, I would love to hear their voice on non-political threads, but they've insisted on continuing here. So ignore it is. FWIW, I think this thread is a prime example as to why Trump won and no one saw it coming. Conservatives are out there telling people how they see things and no one wants to listen. We are told 9 different ways how we are wrong, ignorant and stupid. I have never changed anyone's mind by treating them rudely, arguing and being a bully. I suspect the same is true for others. As I was at my mom's house for Easter with a mix of people from both sides and no side We were able to chat without dismissing each others opinions or views. As I told them, some people love living in an HOA, some people hate the very idea of living in an HOA. It doesn't make either one wrong, they just don't agree on HOAs. Sadly in this political climate too many people think their opinion or view is the right one. I guess I'm lucky that I don't think everything is black or white or right or wrong. I'm that middle of the road person that actually wants compromise. Of course, that does leave me floating along in my non partisan boat by myself Which is funny that I found a home here with the party that has been labeled intolerant and racist. Thank you for accepting this socially liberal leaning, non conformist, fiscally conservative, not Trump voting Mexican into your group
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Post by mom on Apr 3, 2018 21:40:44 GMT
Well, I have put several on ignore and quite frankly, its been nice. Sure, I would love to hear their voice on non-political threads, but they've insisted on continuing here. So ignore it is. FWIW, I think this thread is a prime example as to why Trump won and no one saw it coming. Conservatives are out there telling people how they see things and no one wants to listen. We are told 9 different ways how we are wrong, ignorant and stupid. I have never changed anyone's mind by treating them rudely, arguing and being a bully. I suspect the same is true for others. As I was at my mom's house for Easter with a mix of people from both sides and no side We were able to chat without dismissing each others opinions or views. As I told them, some people love living in an HOA, some people hate the very idea of living in an HOA. It doesn't make either one wrong, they just don't agree on HOAs. Sadly in this political climate too many people think their opinion or view is the right one. I guess I'm lucky that I don't think everything is black or white or right or wrong. I'm that middle of the road person that actually wants compromise. Of course, that does leave me floating along in my non partisan boat by myself Which is funny that I found a home here with the party that has been labeled intolerant and racist. Thank you for accepting this socially liberal leaning, non conformist, fiscally conservative, not Trump voting Mexican into your group And see? What you describe is me. Well, except I am not Mexican. I am pretty liberal socially & fall fiscally conservative (in life and in politics). But I have found the conservatives to be more accepting of me and my leanings that than of non-conservatives. I just frustrates me to no end that I have to be all or nothing on the liberal side to be have a voice that is worth listening to. It doesn't have to be that way and it shouldn't be that way. I think 99% of the time, people who want to listen and learn can! But when some enter into conversations with the mentality that they are right, the other is not only wrong, but stupid, well, it just isn't conducive to learning. I have learned from some of the more liberal peas - but my mouth wasn't running off, and I wanted to learn when they were coming from. And I did end up changing my mind - and ended up on the liberal side of this particular issue. But I wasn't hell bent on being right. Some of my favorite Peas are very liberal - but they are able to have a civil conversation and they recognize that at the end of the day, we are in this together and the answer probably won't be liberal or conservative. But one that is a compromise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 21:47:08 GMT
Of course, that does leave me floating along in my non partisan boat by myself Which is funny that I found a home here with the party that has been labeled intolerant and racist. Thank you for accepting this socially liberal leaning, non conformist, fiscally conservative, not Trump voting Mexican into your group I'm can relate to the bolded part too. And I have grandchildren that are part Latino, another one that is part Asian--and extended family members that are black. When we all get together it can look like the United Nations! (and we all get along! isn't that amazing?) and we are from both political parties.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 21:49:37 GMT
Of course, that does leave me floating along in my non partisan boat by myself Which is funny that I found a home here with the party that has been labeled intolerant and racist. Thank you for accepting this socially liberal leaning, non conformist, fiscally conservative, not Trump voting Mexican into your group Ok that will be enough out of you. (just kidding)
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 3, 2018 22:47:23 GMT
Of course, that does leave me floating along in my non partisan boat by myself Which is funny that I found a home here with the party that has been labeled intolerant and racist. Thank you for accepting this socially liberal leaning, non conformist, fiscally conservative, not Trump voting Mexican into your group Ok that will be enough out of you. (just kidding) I would do more laughing/fun faces but my work computer doesn't show me the rest of them! It's always a guess when I use the other ones
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