Conservative Catch-All

It's a real sad commentary that the Trump haters hate so much that they are silent on this.

Nothing substantial has happened? 














I think your definition of substantial differs from most.

Before everyone get’s all excited take a peek at what I posted on the Korea thread.

We’ve been there before and all that happened was North Korea greatly enhanced their nuclear program. The link for the article is in the Korea thread if interested.

Think “Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the football. “ when it comes to negotiations with North Korea.

From 2005.

Special Report: The nuclear crisis in North Korea

Joint Statemment of the fourth round of six party talks.

"For the cause of peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in northeast Asia at large, the six parties held in a spirit of mutual respect and equality serious and practical talks concerning the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula on the basis of the common understanding of the previous three rounds of talks and agreed in this context to the following:

1) The six parties unanimously reaffirmed that the goal of the six-party talks is the verifiable denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula in a peaceful manner.

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) committed to abandoning all nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs and returning at an early date to the treaty on the nonproliferation of nuclear weapons (NPT) and to IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguards.

The United States affirmed that it has no nuclear weapons on the Korean Peninsula and has no intention to attack or invade the DPRK with nuclear or conventional weapons.   Sound familiar?

The ROK (South Korea) reaffirmed its commitment not to receive or deploy nuclear weapons in accordance with the 1992 joint declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, while affirming that there exist no nuclear weapons within its territory.

The 1992 joint declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula should be observed and implemented. The DPRK stated that it has the right to peaceful uses of nuclear energy. The other parties expressed their respectand agreed to discuss at an appropriate time the subject of the provision of light- water reactor to the DPRK.

2) The six parties undertook, in their relations, to abide by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and recognized norms of international relations.

The DPRK and the United States undertook to respect each other's sovereignty, exist peacefully together and take steps to normalize their relations subject to their respective bilateral policies.

The DPRK and Japan undertook to take steps to normalize their relations in accordance with the (2002) Pyongyang Declaration, on the basis of the settlement of unfortunate past and the outstanding issues of concern.

3) The six parties undertook to promote economic cooperation in the fields of energy, trade and investment, bilaterally and/or multilaterally. China, Japan, the Republic of Korea (ROK), Russia and the U.S. stated their willingness to provide energy assistance to the DPRK. The ROK reaffirmed its proposal of July 12, 2005, concerning the provision of 2 million kilowatts of electric power to the DPRK.

4) Committed to joint efforts for lasting peace and stability in northeast Asia. The directly related parties will negotiate a permanent peace regime on the Korean Peninsula at an appropriate separate forum.

The six parties agreed to explore ways and means for promoting security cooperation in northeast Asia.

5) The six parties agreed to take coordinated steps to implement the aforementioned consensus in a phased manner in line with the principle of "commitment for commitment, action for action."

6) The six parties agreed to hold the fifth round of the six party talks in Beijing in early November 2005 at a date to be determined through consultations."

Conservatives, have we discussed the WHCD? I can’t see all new threads so please forgive me if there is a thread already I won’t be able to reply there since I would have to sign out to see it.

I have had various political shows on in the background yesterday and it seemed like some on both sides thought the comedian crossed a line into personal attacks. It’s been interesting to hear some on both sides agree. I haven’t watched her full act, just saw a few clips that have been played.

Care to address that these same type of talks were going on in 2005 and progress was being made and then North Korea pulled out?  

Or do you just just want to rant?

I’m causality optimistic.  But and it’s a big but,  we’ve been there before and North Korea pulled out.  So at this point it’s not a big deal.

Ya know, I despise Trump. I think he is a despicable human being. However, if he truly is the reason for a possible peace between the Koreas, I will sing his praises for that accomplishment. I will sing his praises if he truly is the one who is instrumental in bringing down KJU.

I just have a really hard time believing that this tentative "peace" is because of him. Not that long ago, they were in a pissing contest about who had the bigger dicks missiles. Not that long ago, Trump was poking the puppy and calling him Rocket Man. How can he really be given credit for any of this?

I don't know, but when someone involved is saying it, then he would know.

Also, this is a thought from Adam Schiff:

"I think it's more than fair to say that the combination of the president's unpredictability and indeed his bellicosity had something to do with North Korea's willingness to come to the table."

No, it's not.

One major mission was accomplished. God forbid that there would have been any acknowledgement of it. But the optics! That's all that really mattered!!!

Is this a done deal? Are North & South Koreans traveling back & forth across the border arm-in-arm singing Kumbaya? No.

Are the times such that North Korea is in it's most vulnerable state since perhaps the beginning of the Korean Conflict? Sure looks that way. And, there are major countries continuing to press those vulnerabilities.

I really don't understand this idea that people either think nothing major is happening or that they must be getting confetti ready for a ticker tape parade in downtown NY city.

Something major is developing AND it's not time to celebrate the end of the Conflict/War yet.

Although, a nice banner declaring Korean Meeting Accomplished wouldn't be out of order.

Why is it so important to "you" all that "we" acknowledge what you see as Trump's accomplishment here? 

From my perspective, given the complete lack of statesmanship or knowledge of foreign policy he's shown during his presidency so far, insofar as this was a win, he backed into it by accident.  The man couldn't negotiate peace between love bugs.

*shrug* I'll be sure to let you know when I start caring what you think of me.

But as for Trump - can you honestly say that he's shown the attributes of a competent statesman?  That he's shown a strong command of history, foreign policy or even the workings of our own government and state department?

The honest answer has to be no. And given that, what on earth makes you think that Trump himself is responsible for this outcome?  (Which, again, is not so much an outcome as a positive development that may or may not lead to real change.)

And I maintain that nothing substantial has happened.  We saw a meeting that looked good, but we have no real knowledge of what was said.  There has been no date or place set for a future meeting with Trump. I truly hope we get the ending we want this time, but so far, we're not there.

I haven't given any misinformation on this topic, so I'm not sure what your bug is about that.

Trump, up to this point, has shown not even the basic skills required for his job. And since past performance is the best predictor of future performance, the American public would be deluding itself to think he could broker an historic peace agreement. So from that perspective, I do think it's important to accompany any talk of "mission accomplished" with the caveat that we have a president who changes his mind (and policy pronouncments) on the daily and doesn't appear to understand how our government works or how the world works. What in that basic truth should give us reason for hope or reason to commend him here?

Because we tend to stay on our conservative catch-all thread where the Trump haters don't tend to come to bash.

That mission accomplished banner waved 1 May 2003. It is 30 Apr 2018 today. 15 years is a long time to try to shame someone for something that was clearly intended as a boost to our service men and women.



In every post I've made..... what, about a half a dozen, maybe a couple more? on this topic, I have very clearly spelled out that this is NOT A DONE DEAL, that there are multiple things that have gone into this step forward to possible peace.

Yet, you quoted me, where I repeated myself yet again & when I didn't so much as mention Trump to go off on an anti-Trump rant and accuse me (and others) as being blind, rahrahrah Trump fangirls. That's some really .... interesting..... logic you've got going on there. 




You've got 972million Trump bashing threads on this board which I won't even open, yet you come on this one that is trying to have one differing option and try to make it like all the others.

Mission Accomplished! 

Yes, even the president of the White House Correspondents' Association said:
“Last night’s program was meant to offer a unifying message about our common commitment to a vigorous and free press while honoring civility, great reporting and scholarship winners, not to divide people. Unfortunately, the entertainer’s monologue was not in the spirit of that mission.”