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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 11, 2018 20:27:42 GMT
Did anyone catch the argument between Megan McCain and Joy today on The View? Megan and Joy got into an argument when Joy stated she was offended by all Republicans. Megan was clearly disgusted. You can read about it here and there is video at the bottom. IMHO Joy's comment is completely uncalled for. I see the same mentality on this board. Its us vs them, instead of looking at a person as a person (instead of who they might have voted for). Just makes me mad. Popping in to say this just isn’t true. I did not even realize most of you were conservative. I have interacted pleasantly with many of you on many different threads and will continue to do so. Some of our members are able to converse across the aisle, some are not. From both sides  I’m surprised to see so many independents that prefer this thread to the numerous other threads. |
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 11, 2018 20:51:08 GMT
I’m a conservative, but I hardly ever post on the political threads. I enjoy discussing politics in real life, but I think it’s difficult to have a meaningful discussion about politics over the Internet.
Honestly, I think I’d rather have a root canal than listen to Joy Behar for an hour. It’s impossible to carry on a conversation with someone who is convinced they are always 100% right.
I wish there was a show on television today like William F. Buckley’s Firing Line. It would be so refreshing to hear a couple of really intelligent people have a meaningful debate about relevant political issues. Now the only thing we hear are the talk show hosts and their guests repeating the same sound bites over and over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 20:59:05 GMT
I think a good “trick” is to read someone’s post from the other side. If the poster is someone whose political opinion is one with which you agree and they are speaking to someone who doesn’t, read that post as if you’re one who doesn’t. Think about how those words would sound to you if you didn’t agree with the point they were trying to make.
Phrases like “if you can’t see it, then I can’t help you” or “Reading comprehension, it’s a good thing” are intentionally insulting. There are plenty of political threads in which people just want to snipe back and forth, and there isn’t anything to be done about that. But if you’re someone who really wants to learn and grow and come to some kind of understanding, you’ll keep a civil tongue in your head for the most part, and try to be helpful without being condescending or dismissive. It’s politics and tempers will flare occasionally, I get that. But purposeful meanness? Unacceptable.
As for a political topic to discuss, what do we all think about the Democratic memo and the controversy over the release of it? I’m headed out the door for a walk but will try to come back later with my thoughts.
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Post by mom on Feb 11, 2018 22:55:51 GMT
Did anyone catch the argument between Megan McCain and Joy today on The View? Megan and Joy got into an argument when Joy stated she was offended by all Republicans. Megan was clearly disgusted. You can read about it here and there is video at the bottom. IMHO Joy's comment is completely uncalled for. I see the same mentality on this board. Its us vs them, instead of looking at a person as a person (instead of who they might have voted for). Just makes me mad. I did not even realize most of you were conservative. I have interacted pleasantly with many of you on many different threads and will continue to do so. I appreciate you coming over to post on this thread, but please realize it is true for some of us. We have been told we can't read, we are stupid, the list goes on and on. I am glad you have not had this experience, but know that isn't the case for everyone.There are absolutely some Peas who I disagree with politically that I think are wonderful people. We ae able to share thoughts, experiences, etc about politics and also in life in general and show respect for each other. But there are some that have made it extremely clear that because I dont share the same opinions that I bring nothing to the table and not worth listening to about anything. SaveSave |
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Post by mom on Feb 11, 2018 22:58:34 GMT
I think a good “trick” is to read someone’s post from the other side. If the poster is someone whose political opinion is one with which you agree and they are speaking to someone who doesn’t, read that post as if you’re one who doesn’t. Think about how those words would sound to you if you didn’t agree with the point they were trying to make. Phrases like “if you can’t see it, then I can’t help you” or “Reading comprehension, it’s a good thing” are intentionally insulting. There are plenty of political threads in which people just want to snipe back and forth, and there isn’t anything to be done about that. But if you’re someone who really wants to learn and grow and come to some kind of understanding, you’ll keep a civil tongue in your head for the most part, and try to be helpful without being condescending or dismissive. It’s politics and tempers will flare occasionally, I get that. But purposeful meanness? Unacceptable. As for a political topic to discuss, what do we all think about the Democratic memo and the controversy over the release of it? I’m headed out the door for a walk but will try to come back later with my thoughts. After the treatment here last week I have intentionally steered clear of Politics. But without reading up on it - my first thought is Trump should release it. He made a big to do about it and to not share everything looks shady. Like I said, I have not read up on this, but if he wants to be transparent then he needs to be transparent all the time, and not just when it is good for his party. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:34:27 GMT
Popping in to say this just isn’t true. I did not even realize most of you were conservative. I have interacted pleasantly with many of you on many different threads and will continue to do so. I appreciate you coming over to post on this thread, but please realize it is true for some of us. We have been told we can't read, we are stupid, the list goes on and on. I am glad you have not had this experience, but know that isn't the case for everyone.There are absolutely some Peas who I disagree with politically that I think are wonderful people. We ae able to share thoughts, experiences, etc about politics and also in life in general and show respect for each other. But there are some that have made it extremely clear that because I dont share the same opinions that I bring nothing to the table and not worth listening to about anything. SaveSaveI think it's wrong for someone to post that someone else's opinion or how they feel about or perceive something is "not true". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:49:07 GMT
Did anyone catch the argument between Megan McCain and Joy today on The View? Megan and Joy got into an argument when Joy stated she was offended by all Republicans. Megan was clearly disgusted. You can read about it here and there is video at the bottom. IMHO Joy's comment is completely uncalled for. I see the same mentality on this board. Its us vs them, instead of looking at a person as a person (instead of who they might have voted for). Just makes me mad. Popping in to say this just isn’t true. I did not even realize most of you were conservative. I have interacted pleasantly with many of you on many different threads and will continue to do so. You may not have participated in it, but it most certainly is true. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 23:59:13 GMT
I appreciate you coming over to post on this thread, but please realize it is true for some of us. We have been told we can't read, we are stupid, the list goes on and on. I am glad you have not had this experience, but know that isn't the case for everyone.There are absolutely some Peas who I disagree with politically that I think are wonderful people. We ae able to share thoughts, experiences, etc about politics and also in life in general and show respect for each other. But there are some that have made it extremely clear that because I dont share the same opinions that I bring nothing to the table and not worth listening to about anything. SaveSaveI think it's wrong for someone to post that someone else's opinion or how they feel about or perceive something is "not true". Especially when the facts show its true. Being told to "stay out of our threads" is most assuredly an us vs. them mentality. |
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 12, 2018 0:03:04 GMT
Of course it's true; a reality for many of us. But then again, how often have we been told here that our reality either doesn't exist or doesn't matter; that we should just shut up and get with the program?
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Post by katybee on Feb 12, 2018 0:04:43 GMT
Popping in to say this just isn’t true. I did not even realize most of you were conservative. I have interacted pleasantly with many of you on many different threads and will continue to do so. I appreciate you coming over to post on this thread, but please realize it is true for some of us. We have been told we can't read, we are stupid, the list goes on and on. I am glad you have not had this experience, but know that isn't the case for everyone.There are absolutely some Peas who I disagree with politically that I think are wonderful people. We ae able to share thoughts, experiences, etc about politics and also in life in general and show respect for each other. But there are some that have made it extremely clear that because I dont share the same opinions that I bring nothing to the table and not worth listening to about anything. SaveSaveIt’s a sweeping generalization. It perpetuates the “us vs. them” mentality. I was trying to bridge a divide, but if you’re not interested, that’s cool. @ricky @gajenny |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 0:10:22 GMT
I appreciate you coming over to post on this thread, but please realize it is true for some of us. We have been told we can't read, we are stupid, the list goes on and on. I am glad you have not had this experience, but know that isn't the case for everyone.There are absolutely some Peas who I disagree with politically that I think are wonderful people. We ae able to share thoughts, experiences, etc about politics and also in life in general and show respect for each other. But there are some that have made it extremely clear that because I dont share the same opinions that I bring nothing to the table and not worth listening to about anything. SaveSaveIt’s a sweeping generalization. It perpetuates the “us vs. them” mentality. I was trying to bridge a divide, but if you’re not interested, that’s cool. @ricky @gajenny It's not a sweeping generalization. When one side is told by the other to stay off of their threads that is absolutely an us vs. them mentality. Dismissing what is actually happening is not going to bridge any divides. If bridging the divide was your intention, you missed by a mile. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 0:13:00 GMT
katybee I think most of us conservatives have been burned here. Thank you for trying to bridge the divide though. ((HUGS))
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Post by katybee on Feb 12, 2018 0:42:43 GMT
It’s a sweeping generalization. It perpetuates the “us vs. them” mentality. I was trying to bridge a divide, but if you’re not interested, that’s cool. @ricky @gajenny It's not a sweeping generalization. When one side is told by the other to stay off of their threads that is absolutely an us vs. them mentality. Dismissing what is actually happening is not going to bridge any divides. If bridging the divide was your intention, you missed by a mile. When you use the words “one side,” it’s a sweeping generalization. I will fully admit there are liberal peas that go for the jugular. And because they post a lot (a LOT), it might seem that it’s all of us. But if you take a rational look, you’ll see that, although passionate about POLITICS, most do not get personal. And there are some, among you, that do the same. (Love to Color loves to go after me personally). But, just like with liberals, I see that most conservatives on the board are simply passionate about their beliefs and do not get personal. Anyhoo—I can see my posts are (mostly) unwelcome here, so I will bow out. But I would still hope we see each other on threads about instapots and Survivor and bad movies and even politics. |
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Post by azredhead on Feb 12, 2018 0:49:36 GMT
I think a good “trick” is to read someone’s post from the other side. If the poster is someone whose political opinion is one with which you agree and they are speaking to someone who doesn’t, read that post as if you’re one who doesn’t. Think about how those words would sound to you if you didn’t agree with the point they were trying to make. Phrases like “if you can’t see it, then I can’t help you” or “Reading comprehension, it’s a good thing” are intentionally insulting. There are plenty of political threads in which people just want to snipe back and forth, and there isn’t anything to be done about that. But if you’re someone who really wants to learn and grow and come to some kind of understanding, you’ll keep a civil tongue in your head for the most part, and try to be helpful without being condescending or dismissive. It’s politics and tempers will flare occasionally, I get that. But purposeful meanness? Unacceptable. As for a political topic to discuss, what do we all think about the Democratic memo and the controversy over the release of it? I’m headed out the door for a walk but will try to come back later with my thoughts. Schiff and Schumer make my head wanna pop off! I t hink 'their Democrates memo is a bunch of malarky! lol! (running for cover!) Why it hasn't come out? We all know much had to be redacted. The Nunes memo was not, grammatical errors changed but not circumstances. I hate the 'gotch ya' game from both parties. Who has more dirt? I wanna say a lot more but I too am interested in your thoughts on it.. BTW.. Flake and Mccain (bless the man and the hero but not the polotician) drive me bat %&#@ crazy! I really like Kelly Ward and have had conversations with her about both memos and her chopped interview with CNN. She's not far from me and I know people on her her camp. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 1:04:05 GMT
It's not a sweeping generalization. When one side is told by the other to stay off of their threads that is absolutely an us vs. them mentality. Dismissing what is actually happening is not going to bridge any divides. If bridging the divide was your intention, you missed by a mile. When you use the words “one side,” it’s a sweeping generalization. I will fully admit there are liberal peas that go for the jugular. And because they post a lot (a LOT), it might seem that it’s all of us. But if you take a rational look, you’ll see that, although passionate about POLITICS, most do not get personal. And there are some, among you, that do the same. (Love to Color loves to go after me personally). But, just like with liberals, I see that most conservatives on the board are simply passionate about their beliefs and do not get personal. Anyhoo—I can see my posts are (mostly) unwelcome here, so I will bow out. But I would still hope we see each other on threads about instapots and Survivor and bad movies and even politics. It *was* only one side that said that. For future reference what would be a more acceptable way to say that? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 1:41:14 GMT
After my big set-up, I guess I don’t have anything very earth-shattering to say about all the memo business. Naturally, I would object to any release of sensitive info. But IS there sensitive info? I was reading a piece at National Review earlier that talked about how politicians use the threat of a breach of national security as political weapons — to try to prevent things from coming to light, not because they are sensitive, but because they are damaging to them. I think we saw a good example of this when some of the Democrats and the FBI were saying that releasing the Nunes memo would be dangerous, but when it was released, it was clear there weren’t any national security secrets revealed. Since they had read it ahead of time, they knew that, so they were obviously worried about info that was damaging to them not national security. Are the Republicans doing the same thing? Quite possibly. So, let’s see the memo!
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Post by mom on Feb 12, 2018 1:45:11 GMT
I appreciate you coming over to post on this thread, but please realize it is true for some of us. We have been told we can't read, we are stupid, the list goes on and on. I am glad you have not had this experience, but know that isn't the case for everyone.There are absolutely some Peas who I disagree with politically that I think are wonderful people. We ae able to share thoughts, experiences, etc about politics and also in life in general and show respect for each other. But there are some that have made it extremely clear that because I dont share the same opinions that I bring nothing to the table and not worth listening to about anything. SaveSaveIt’s a sweeping generalization. It perpetuates the “us vs. them” mentality. I was trying to bridge a divide, but if you’re not interested, that’s cool. @ricky @gajenny I am not wanting to make a sweeping generalization. I didn't list the actual peas who are doing this as to not point fingers. It is absolutely not everyone. I am making no sweeping generalizations. There are a hand few that have absolutely been ugly. SaveSave |
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Post by mom on Feb 12, 2018 1:47:55 GMT
After my big set-up, I guess I don’t have anything very earth-shattering to say about all the memo business. Naturally, I would object to any release of sensitive info. But IS there sensitive info? I was reading a piece at National Review earlier that talked about how politicians use the threat of a breach of national security as political weapons — to try to prevent things from coming to light, not because they are sensitive, but because they are damaging to them. I think we saw a good example of this when some of the Democrats and the FBI were saying that releasing the Nunes memo would be dangerous, but when it was released, it was clear there weren’t any national security secrets revealed. Since they had read it ahead of time, they knew that, so they were obviously worried about info that was damaging to them not national security. Are the Republicans doing the same thing? Quite possibly. So, let’s see the memo! I absolutely think the Republicans are using National Security as a reason to not release it and I think thats incredibly wrong. I seriously, seriously doubt there is a security risk with anything that is in that memo. Its most likely someone doesn't want their ass handed to them when whatever is in that memo, released. Sorry, but thats not a good enough reason to me. Show the world the memo so we can move past this. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 2:39:13 GMT
I do believe there are things in the Democratic memo that warrant both the FBI and Justice Dept having concerns. As I explained in the other thread, the FBI had "grave concerns over accuracy" regarding the Nunes memo but in their letter about the Schiff memo stated that there were sources and methods that would be concern for our national security. Here's a link to both letters...including one signed by Wray and Rosenstein...neither of which are fans of Trump. www.documentcloud.org/documents/4375767-White-House-letter-on-Democratic-memo.htmlI believe the President will release the Democratic memo, but it needs to be resubmitted without compromising our national security. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 2:49:28 GMT
After my big set-up, I guess I don’t have anything very earth-shattering to say about all the memo business. Naturally, I would object to any release of sensitive info. But IS there sensitive info? I was reading a piece at National Review earlier that talked about how politicians use the threat of a breach of national security as political weapons — to try to prevent things from coming to light, not because they are sensitive, but because they are damaging to them. I think we saw a good example of this when some of the Democrats and the FBI were saying that releasing the Nunes memo would be dangerous, but when it was released, it was clear there weren’t any national security secrets revealed. Since they had read it ahead of time, they knew that, so they were obviously worried about info that was damaging to them not national security. Are the Republicans doing the same thing? Quite possibly. So, let’s see the memo! That's seems pretty clear to me too. |
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 12, 2018 3:27:58 GMT
It's not a sweeping generalization. When one side is told by the other to stay off of their threads that is absolutely an us vs. them mentality. Dismissing what is actually happening is not going to bridge any divides. If bridging the divide was your intention, you missed by a mile. When you use the words “one side,” it’s a sweeping generalization. I will fully admit there are liberal peas that go for the jugular. And because they post a lot (a LOT), it might seem that it’s all of us. But if you take a rational look, you’ll see that, although passionate about POLITICS, most do not get personal. And there are some, among you, that do the same. (Love to Color loves to go after me personally). But, just like with liberals, I see that most conservatives on the board are simply passionate about their beliefs and do not get personal. Anyhoo—I can see my posts are (mostly) unwelcome here, so I will bow out. But I would still hope we see each other on threads about instapots and Survivor and bad movies and even politics. What a crock of sh*t. I don't ever post to you unless you've first posted one of your never-ending digs at me. (just like now). But of course, you'd never admit that you, yourself, are one of the uglies. Bye-bye. It's nice to have at least one thread away from those like you. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 12, 2018 3:31:15 GMT
After my big set-up, I guess I don’t have anything very earth-shattering to say about all the memo business. Naturally, I would object to any release of sensitive info. But IS there sensitive info? I was reading a piece at National Review earlier that talked about how politicians use the threat of a breach of national security as political weapons — to try to prevent things from coming to light, not because they are sensitive, but because they are damaging to them. I think we saw a good example of this when some of the Democrats and the FBI were saying that releasing the Nunes memo would be dangerous, but when it was released, it was clear there weren’t any national security secrets revealed. Since they had read it ahead of time, they knew that, so they were obviously worried about info that was damaging to them not national security. Are the Republicans doing the same thing? Quite possibly. So, let’s see the memo! I agree with all of this. I do think both sides use the ‘security’ threat to hide things!! |
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 12, 2018 3:33:52 GMT
Dori, what you you consider to be a security threat? Part of me is concerned because Obama let our enemies know when we were doing military things, gave timelines, named names etc. If the memo has any of this, I can understand why Trump would want it redacted.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Feb 12, 2018 20:20:04 GMT
I agree that if the memo has any possible security breeches, those need to be redacted. Whether it's Military maneuvers/plans, Cyber security information, infrastructure safety etc... Redact it, but if it's he said/she said or that a certain person did something unlawful (no matter who it is) it needs to be released. We the people, deserve to know who is truly in the wrong or who has committed a crime. I don't care which party it is. I want to know the truth. I can't make informed choices if the only thing I am hearing out of the media or from the talking heads in government is opinion. I want to see cold hard facts and see evidence of wrong doing. If there is wrong doing, those people need to be punished to whatever the extent of the law allows.
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Post by #notLauren on Feb 14, 2018 0:15:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 2:17:50 GMT
Then I have a topic for us to think about and discuss! I got to listen to my favorite radio talker today (I mentioned him in one of my early posts, Michael Medved) and one of the subjects on his show was the part of the budget proposal that has to do with SNAP and shipping food boxes to recipients. This explains the bones of it: Harvest BoxesThat was the only media mention I could find that didn’t go off on what a bad idea it was, total shocker, I know. Most of the articles were comparing it to Blue Apron (gourmet! Expensive! Lost a lot of money when they went public!) but the proposed plan is only like Blue Apron in that it’s boxes of food being delivered. I think it sounds like a very interesting idea. I like that it uses all USA foods, that from the ones mentioned, look pretty healthy. I like that it doesn’t completely eliminate the debit cards, so recipients still have the freedom to shop for other items they need. And I like that it has the potential to cut overall costs while still providing assistance. I also think this proposed budget will not get passed, and who knows what will become of this idea, but I appreciate the out-of-the-box (!) thinking that the USDA put into this. What do you all think? |
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Feb 14, 2018 2:43:04 GMT
I think the food boxes are good in theory. I do think about those who have food allergies or other food related issues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 2:58:48 GMT
One of the articles I saw mentioned the food allergies/restrictions, etc. but no solution to that yet. At least they are thinking about it!
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 14, 2018 4:15:45 GMT
The food boxes could be interesting depending on how they come. Will there be directions for cooking. Options for those with allergies, etc. what kinds of food will be included.
After thinking about it I have to wonder who is going to profit from it? Is it a favor? Sorry it just has to be asked since it's politics. I would ask the same question no matter who proposed the idea.
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