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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 15, 2018 20:26:18 GMT
I’m so freakin’ sick of hearing it’s too soon to talk about guns. When will it be time? With 18 school shootings in 6 weeks of this year, they really need to get on it before there’s another shooting in the next two weeks or so. Somebody better start something! Maybe now we can talk about the Las Vegas shooting? |
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Post by ginacivey on Feb 15, 2018 20:30:45 GMT
Maybe now we can talk about the Las Vegas shooting? it feels like very few people want conversation they want to say their piece - point a finger and stomp off both sides there is rarely any civilized conversations about hot button topics gina |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2018 20:35:00 GMT
Kimmel writer tweets amount NRA has given lawmakers in response to shooting prayersBY REBECCA SAVRANSKY - 02/15/18 08:37 AM EST A writer for "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" is calling out lawmakers for the money they've taken from the National Rifle Association (NRA) in the wake of a mass shooting at a South Florida high school. Bess Kalb on Wednesday responded to tweets from multiple GOP lawmakers expressing their thoughts and prayers after the shooting by tweeting the amount of money they have taken from the NRA, The Huffington Post reported. "This is not a political issue. This is not a Constitutional debate. This is a pandemic that's killing children," she tweeted Wednesday. ** "In the 2015-2016 election cycle alone, GOP candidates took $17,385,437 from the NRA," she replied.
"This is NOT counting the $21 million given to President Trump," she added in a subsequent tweet.A list at link: thehill.com/homenews/senate/373974-kimmel-writer-tweets-the-amount-lawmakers-have-taken-from-nra-in-response-toThere is no list for democrats, if there were I would post it!
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Post by suzastampin on Feb 15, 2018 20:35:33 GMT
the stupid argument that 'stricter gun control laws' won't work is just that--stupid. Do we say "People won't wear seat belts so why make wearing them a law?" or "people will drive cars anyway so why make them get licenses?" or "men will hit their wives so let's normalize domestic abuse?" or "children hate school so why make them go?" or "corporations will always try to make money so why regulate pesticide usage?" or "teens want to use alcohol so why not just let them?" It's a fucking ridiculous, stupid, inane argument. You could say "cars don't kill people, people do" but that doesn't mean you don't have speed limits, stop signs, licensing requirements, and a mandatory one year permit period. Driving is a privilege; the right to bear arms is a Constitutional guarantee. Right there is the difference in the ability to regulate and the extent of regulation. But, when the founding fathers gave the right to bear arms, they were thinking muskets not AR-15s. It’s time to revisit the gun laws. I’m not anti gun, have family who hunts, but they don’t need an AR-15 to bag a deer. |
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Post by suzastampin on Feb 15, 2018 20:49:52 GMT
Senate 1. John McCain Ariz. “Cindy & I are praying for the victims of the terrible #LasVegasShooting & their families.” $7,740,521 from the N.R.A. 2. Richard Burr N.C. “My heart is with the people of Las Vegas and their first responders today. This morning’s tragic violence has absolutely no place here in America.” $6,986,620 from the N.R.A. 3. Roy Blunt Mo. “Saddened by the tragic loss of life in #LasVegas. My thoughts are with all of the families affected by this horrific attack.” $4,551,146 from the N.R.A. 4. Thom Tillis N.C. “Susan and I send our deepest condolences and prayers to the families of the victims of this horrific and senseless tragedy in Las Vegas.” $4,418,012 from the N.R.A. 5. Cory Gardner Co. “My family and I are praying for the families of those injured and killed in Las Vegas last night.” $3,879,064 from the N.R.A. 6. Marco Rubio Fla. “I’m praying for all the victims, their families, and our first responders in the #LasVegas #MandalayBay shooting.” $3,303,355 from the N.R.A. 7. Joni Ernst Iowa “My prayers are with all of the victims in Las Vegas, and their loved ones affected by this senseless act of violence.” $3,124,273 from the N.R.A. 8. Rob Portman Ohio “Jane & I mourn the loss of innocent lives in this horrific attack in Las Vegas last night. We are praying for those taken from us, their families & all those injured in this attack.” $3,061,941 from the N.R.A. 9. Todd Young Ind. “We must offer our full support to the victims and their families as our nation mourns.” $2,896,732 from the N.R.A. 10. Bill Cassidy La. “Following closely the horrendous act of violence in Las Vegas. Our prayers are with those who were injured, killed and their families.” $2,861,047 from the N.R.A. House: 1. French Hill Ark. “Martha and I are praying for the families and victims of this senseless act of evil. […] We must continue to work together to stop this kind of terror.” $1,089,477 from the N.R.A. 2. Ken Buck Co. “I'm praying for all of those impacted by the evil events in Las Vegas last night. Our country must stand together in support of the families of the victims and the community.” $800,544 from the N.R.A. 3. David Young Iowa “My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and friends of the horrific and evil tragedy in Las Vegas.” $707,662 from the N.R.A. 4. Mike Simpson Idaho “Though no words can heal our hurt, and no explanation will ever feel sufficient, I pray that all involved may find comfort as we process this devastating tragedy.” $385,731 from the N.R.A. 5. Greg Gianforte Mont. No statement released. $344,630 from the N.R.A. 6. Don Young Alaska “Anne and I are praying for all those involved or impacted by this heinous act of violence.” $245,720 from the N.R.A. 7. Lloyd Smucker Pa. “Horrific act of violence in Las Vegas. Cindy and I pray for the victims, their families, and the first responders.” J $221,736 from the N.R.A. 8. Bruce Poliquin Maine “My thoughts are with all those effected in the horrifying attacks in Las Vegas. The nation is with you.” $201,398 from the N.R.A. 9. Pete Sessions Tex. “My deepest sympathies are with all who were harmed by this horrific tragedy.” $158,111 from the N.R.A. 10. Barbara Comstock Va. “I am heartbroken by the mass murder that took place last night in Las Vegas and I am praying for the victims, families, and first responders.” $137,232 from the N.R.A. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.htmlTerrorists living in your and funding your government. This is no better than Russia. I don’t know how these people sleep at night! |
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 15, 2018 21:08:09 GMT
Maybe now we can talk about the Las Vegas shooting? it feels like very few people want conversation they want to say their piece - point a finger and stomp off both sides there is rarely any civilized conversations about hot button topics gina I don't know, I thought this thread was going okay (by pea standards anyway, lol). |
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Post by ginacivey on Feb 15, 2018 21:11:03 GMT
i think it's good ...in parts.
but honestly - it was just a handful of people conversing
the rest just making a statement and leaving
gina
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2018 21:20:44 GMT
Driving is a privilege; the right to bear arms is a Constitutional guarantee. Right there is the difference in the ability to regulate and the extent of regulation. But, when the founding fathers gave the right to bear arms, they were thinking muskets not AR-15s. It’s time to revisit the gun laws. I’m not anti gun, have family who hunts, but they don’t need an AR-15 to bag a deer. Also, the 2nd Amendment began to be redefined as conferring an individual’s right in the 1970s, at the behest of (you guessed it) the NRA. And Orrin Hatch. This was not even mainstream Republican thought at that time, so the reinterpretation was done quite forcefully. Before that, the amendment was generally believed to confer the right to bear arms on militias or national/state defense groups - not individuals. www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/so-you-think-you-know-the-second-amendment/ampBut to hear today’s gun enthusiasts talk, you’d think this was a clear interpretation that had stood for two centuries. Not so at all. |
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Post by trollie on Feb 15, 2018 21:21:51 GMT
Just like a vehicle, guns should be registered, owners/operators should be licensed and insured. If your weapon is used in crime. The owner of the gun should be culpable.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 15, 2018 21:38:51 GMT
i think it's good ...in parts. but honestly - it was just a handful of people conversing the rest just making a statement and leaving gina I don't always get back to threads, even if I am interested in conversing. Most threads you have to sift through some amount of noise anyway. At least it didn't completely devolve into some kind of epic trainweck. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2018 21:53:35 GMT
Trump budget would cut millions in school safety funds: reportBY BRANDON CARTER - 02/15/18 04:18 PM EST President Trump’s proposed 2019 budget would cut millions of dollars from federal education programs designed to help school districts improve safety and provide mental health assistance in the event of a tragedy. The budget proposal, which was unveiled earlier this week by the White House, would reduce funding for national school safety activities by $25 million compared to 2017, Politico reported. That reduction would include the elimination of “project prevention grants,” which have helped schools across the country fund conflict resolution programs, prevent bullying and pay for mental health assistance for students. Politico reports the budget would also cut the $1 million in funding for the School Emergency Response to Violence (SERV) program, which has previously provided millions in funding to the school district in Newtown, Conn., following the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School.The program’s website says it funds services to help students “recover from a violent or traumatic event in which the learning environment has been disrupted.” Liz Hill, an Education Department spokesperson, told Politico that the SERV program’s $5.2 million carry-over funds will allow it to function in the 2019 fiscal year. Hill also told the newspaper that the department is "committed to providing resources, direct support and technical assistance to schools who have suffered unthinkable tragedy." ** In a speech Thursday, Trump said making schools safer was a “top priority” for his administration. "Later this month, I will be meeting with the nation’s governors and attorney generals, where making our schools and our children safer will be our top priority," Trump said.
"It is not enough to simply take actions that make us feel like we are making a difference. We must actually make that difference," he added.More at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/374103-trump-budget-would-cut-millions-in-school-safety-funds-reportNot much to discuss, his goals speak for themselves! Cut school safety Cut 18.3% from HUD Budget for housing 8.8 billion, people will be homeless... Tell people what they should eat from a box. Tell States and town THEY have to pick up his cuts from Amtack/rail service Telling states to put tolls on the interstate highways that we have already paid for..... His buddies got huge tax cuts so you pay for all of it and more! And they all fly millions of dollars worth on private jets, military and/or first class while we can't afford to go anywhere. He has already spent almost as much as other presidents use in four year to travel almost every weekend! I forgot cut Medicare he promised not to touch!!
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Post by CeeScraps on Feb 15, 2018 21:57:23 GMT
Shooter: Was expelled Accused of abusing girlfriend Fetishized killing animals Treated for mental issues Threatened teachers Posted pics of himself with firearms on social media Still legally able to buy a semiautomatic rifle and bulk ammo at age 19 - Shannon Watts Due to the lazy gun laws in Florida.... I still want to know--not that it matters now---but HOW the hell did he get into the school?? It was the end of the day. That in a school is controlled chaos. The fire alarm was pulled.....I think I heard he had smoke bombs. All of that Charlie Manson could of entered the building unnoticed. Sorry, but that's what it was from what I understand. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2018 22:01:51 GMT
Due to the lazy gun laws in Florida.... I still want to know--not that it matters now---but HOW the hell did he get into the school?? It was the end of the day. That in a school is controlled chaos. The fire alarm was pulled.....I think I heard he had smoke bombs. All of that Charlie Manson could of entered the building unnoticed. Sorry, but that's what it was from what I understand. I thought it was before dismissal? I read some where that school wasn't out yet, which is why students were in their classrooms. |
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Post by Just T on Feb 15, 2018 22:04:10 GMT
Trump budget would cut millions in school safety funds: reportBY BRANDON CARTER - 02/15/18 04:18 PM EST President Trump’s proposed 2019 budget would cut millions of dollars from federal education programs designed to help school districts improve safety and provide mental health assistance in the event of a tragedy. The budget proposal, which was unveiled earlier this week by the White House, would reduce funding for national school safety activities by $25 million compared to 2017, Politico reported. That reduction would include the elimination of “project prevention grants,” which have helped schools across the country fund conflict resolution programs, prevent bullying and pay for mental health assistance for students. Politico reports the budget would also cut the $1 million in funding for the School Emergency Response to Violence (SERV) program, which has previously provided millions in funding to the school district in Newtown, Conn., following the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School.The program’s website says it funds services to help students “recover from a violent or traumatic event in which the learning environment has been disrupted.” Liz Hill, an Education Department spokesperson, told Politico that the SERV program’s $5.2 million carry-over funds will allow it to function in the 2019 fiscal year. Hill also told the newspaper that the department is "committed to providing resources, direct support and technical assistance to schools who have suffered unthinkable tragedy." ** In a speech Thursday, Trump said making schools safer was a “top priority” for his administration. "Later this month, I will be meeting with the nation’s governors and attorney generals, where making our schools and our children safer will be our top priority," Trump said.
"It is not enough to simply take actions that make us feel like we are making a difference. We must actually make that difference," he added.More at link: thehill.com/homenews/administration/374103-trump-budget-would-cut-millions-in-school-safety-funds-reportNot much to discuss, his goals speak for themselves! Cut school safety Cut 18.3% from HUD Budget for housing 8.8 billion, people will be homeless... Tell people what they should eat from a box. Tell States and town THEY have to pick up his cuts from Amtack/rail service Telling states to put tolls on the interstate highways that we have already paid for..... His buddies got huge tax cuts so you pay for all of it and more! And they all fly millions of dollars worth on private jets, military and/or first class while we can't afford to go anywhere. He has already spent almost as much as other presidents use in four year to travel almost every weekend! I forgot cut Medicare he promised not to touch!! So much for his "lovely" speech today.  Yeah, way to make kids feel safe...cut funding for school safety. UGH. I hate him. |
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Post by CeeScraps on Feb 15, 2018 22:10:33 GMT
It gets better.......they, someone from the school saw him approach the school and notified people. This was just on the news. Apparently part of what was discussed in court.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2018 22:20:58 GMT
Oh right . he also cut funding to help with mental health issues.
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Post by ajsweetpea on Feb 15, 2018 22:44:34 GMT
The fact that this keeps happening over and over again is absolutely disgusting. We are failing our kids. Teachers should not have to jump in front of students to prevent them from being hit with bullets.
My daughter told me there was a fire drill at her school today and there were kids in tears because they were scared that when they opened the door to the classroom and stepped outside, they would be shot and killed. It's heartbreaking.
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Post by verdepea on Feb 15, 2018 22:54:55 GMT
Today, I have a broken heart. Today, I am grieving. Something has to change, today
Senator Cruz Twitter: Heidi and my prayers are with the victims and families of those affected by today's senseless shooting in Florida. As always, we are grateful to the first responders who answered the call for help and quickly apprehended the attacker. From the NY Daily News: Cruz received $41,805 in campaign donations from gun rights groups during the 2015-2016 campaign cycle and received an "A+" grade from the NRA. When I called Senator Cruz's office today. The person denied he took campaign contributions. I explained I have a broken heart, I am grieving for the losses of each person in this and the previous mass shootings. My work production has taken a HUGE drop and I have been on the verge of tears all day. I also asked that he not accept another donation from pro gun rights groups. I begged him to do something to change. I am certainly angry, but I feel others can express their anger better. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2018 22:58:32 GMT
Today, I have a broken heart. Today, I am grieving. Something has to change, today
Senator Cruz Twitter: Heidi and my prayers are with the victims and families of those affected by today's senseless shooting in Florida. As always, we are grateful to the first responders who answered the call for help and quickly apprehended the attacker. From the NY Daily News: Cruz received $41,805 in campaign donations from gun rights groups during the 2015-2016 campaign cycle and received an "A+" grade from the NRA. When I called Senator Cruz's office today. The person denied he took campaign contributions. I explained I have a broken heart, I am grieving for the losses of each person in this and the previous mass shootings. My work production has taken a HUGE drop and I have been on the verge of tears all day. I also asked that he not accept another donation from pro gun rights groups. I begged him to do something to change. I am certainly angry, but I feel others can express their anger better. Beto O'Rourke took $0 from the NRA or any pro-gun groups, as far as I can tell with an internet search. Let's shuffle ol' Ted into retirement this fall, shall we? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2018 23:12:05 GMT
The fact that this keeps happening over and over again is absolutely disgusting. We are failing our kids. Teachers should not have to jump in front of students to prevent them from being hit with bullets. My daughter told me there was a fire drill at her school today and there were kids in tears because they were scared that when they opened the door to the classroom and stepped outside, they would be shot and killed. It's heartbreaking. As an aside, I'd have some strong words with the administration that thought continuing with a fire drill today was a good idea. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 15, 2018 23:13:22 GMT
This was posted by a friend—someone I’m very close to and I found it so very perfect-
“I wasn’t allowed to join the army because they didn’t want to give someone with a history of depression and mental instability a gun and place them in an inescapable environment.
They labeled me an avoidable risk, and I understand why. It took me a long time to get over a rejection of that caliber, especially going into it so confident and eager. It shattered me.
They didn’t want to create a situation in which a life or multiple lives would be taken when someone who can’t handle high stress environments with no escape snaps.
They understand the dangers a loaded weapon poses to innocent people in the hands of someone who’s not mentally well.
Let’s look this same risk in the eye now, because we’re not looking to join the army. We’re looking for a way to at the VERY LEAST stop the ability of one person to create bloodshed.”
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Feb 15, 2018 23:17:43 GMT
Absolutely nothing. I’m not the one with the problems with the gun laws I suspect if a member of her family had been in Las Vegas or this high school and killed by one person with an AR-15 she would be leading the charge for reforms. It’s this “if it doesn’t affect me personally I am going to do absolutely nothing” mentality, not just with guns, that has gotten this country into the mess we find ourselves in today. I 100% agree. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 15, 2018 23:33:08 GMT
I'm a high school teacher. All I can say is that if you're a politician who offers your "thoughts and prayers" and that's not accompanied by policy change around gun control/laws, you can FUCK RIGHT OFF.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 15, 2018 23:34:35 GMT
The fact that this keeps happening over and over again is absolutely disgusting. We are failing our kids. Teachers should not have to jump in front of students to prevent them from being hit with bullets. My daughter told me there was a fire drill at her school today and there were kids in tears because they were scared that when they opened the door to the classroom and stepped outside, they would be shot and killed. It's heartbreaking. That school's administrators are fucking idiots. |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 15, 2018 23:35:23 GMT
It was the end of the day. That in a school is controlled chaos. The fire alarm was pulled.....I think I heard he had smoke bombs. All of that Charlie Manson could of entered the building unnoticed. Sorry, but that's what it was from what I understand. School was still in session... |
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 15, 2018 23:35:38 GMT
Maybe now we can talk about the Las Vegas shooting? it feels like very few people want conversation they want to say their piece - point a finger and stomp off both sides there is rarely any civilized conversations about hot button topics gina I'm tired of having "civilized conversations" over the bodies of dead children. Fuck that noise. Policy change or GTFO. |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 15, 2018 23:36:30 GMT
Oh right . he also cut funding to help with mental health issues. Who??? I know Reagan did...BIG TIME |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 15, 2018 23:37:12 GMT
7 minutes.
17 dead
14 more injured
Thousands of lives directly impacted forever.
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2018 23:39:09 GMT
How is it possible that 45 makes a speech after a mass shooting and NOT ONCE was the word gun spoken?
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Post by peasapie on Feb 15, 2018 23:40:31 GMT
I’m sick about what happened. It is time for campaign finance reforms and limits. Things will never change as long as our elected representatives are rotting from the inside.
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