Shooting at HS in Parkland Florida

Who said anything about new laws? This problem won't be solved by new laws. This problem will be solved by a sea change along the lines of MADD. In my opinion, this isn't at its most basic level, a gun problem. It's a lack of caring and compassion problem. It's an us against them problem. At this point, if after all these mass deaths, people are still clutching their guns this tightly, (look at this closely: choosing a metal inanimate object over human lives) there is something wrong there; sadly, it seems these people are basically flawed in their capacity to care for other people if at this point, they still want to argue semantics and statistics rather than saying, "This needs to stop. We need changes."

This problem will be solved by abandoning the reliance on intellectualizing and debate as a way of deflecting and distancing from the pain of this problem. This problem will be solved when gun romanticizers recognize that they are stuck in one or maybe two untenable world views and are willing to look outside them:

1) They honestly want change but don't really want to have to change anything they think or do. In some sort of magical thought reality, this strategy is reminiscent of the person who wants to lose weight but doesn't really want to change any of their habits. Instead of entertaining new possibilities and ideas, they busy themselves with coming up with reasons why things won't work, and getting bogged down in debates with people who want more gun restrictions. If they are doing this, they don't spend one instant imagining fragments of bloodied bodies in classrooms, parents' agonies at the time they are informed that their child will not be coming home again, and all the negative fallout that will impact these families forever. If they don't feel it, if it's not real, there is no real impetus for change. The victims are just some random, anonymous people in some town somewhere, and and the gun romanticizer knows that eventually the news cycle refreshes and they can relax and move on. Until the next one.

2) They believe they are good people, daresay perhaps even believe they are people of God, and say they want change (while offering hopes and prayers), but secretly are so afraid, so caught up in some bizarre gun-brandishing self-identity, bolstered by a Constitution that offered the right to carry muskets as part of a militia, that is part fear, part bravado, part frontier justice/manifest destiny fantasy that to abandon that, would be to expose an intolerable vulnerability. Hard nuts to crack.

This problem will be solved by involving people on an emotional and personal level, where victims are actual people with actual families who have actual ramifications from their loved ones' deaths in mass shootings.

i wish all states would do a house sweep to make sure they are following the law

if you have a DV charge - they say 'no guns now' - but no one actually makes sure you don't have guns
in Missouri there are no registration requirements - it's damn near impossible to make sure there are no guns in the house

i think we probably need some sort of registration accountability across the board

people, in general, who aren't breaking the law should have nothing to hide

it's the paranoid rifle clutchers that have such a hard time with it - most people i know aren't saying
'from my cold dead hands'

gina

I came up with this list in October.  I don't know how to share it to this thread so I am cutting and pasting. It is a list of 7 things I came up with over coffee.. I also posted it on FB where my friends and I came up with another 4 or 5 things that added to the list. There are a ton of things we could do. But looking at what other countries have done the most effective thing is making access to guns extremly difficult.


Oct 3, 2017 6:52:11 GMT -5 ktdoesntscrap said:
I think we need 7 things.

1. Acess to Mental Health
2. A way for Mental Health professionals to "flag" a person who should not have guns. (this would require a lot of training etc. Its a long term solution not a short term one)
3. Limit the sale of semi and automatic weapons, and the manufacture of military grade weapons.
4. Limit the amount of ammunition a person can own at one time. You have to provide used casings to purchase new ones.
5. Require fire arm safety course and licensure for owning a gun. (this should include graphic pictures of gun violence, just like you see graphic pictures of car accidents in Drivers Ed)
6. Require insurance on all guns .
7. Institute a bi-partisan campaign against gun violence. Like the MADD campaigns in the late 80's/90's.

I am no expert but if I can come up with a list of 7 things.. only ONE that limits gun ownership. We can work towards a solution if we really want too.
ETA: A National Gun Buy back program where the guns are destroyed.

I haven't read everything either. I just know I'm sick of this........sick. I know I'm not the only one.

Someone in power has to grow some _________ to get something done about this. This is just plain stupid that all of this still happens. They knew this child had problems.........how in the heck did he get a gun. Apparently it was a legal purchase too.
I'm just disgusted............

NRA......WAKE UP! IMO you are a group of bullies and politicians like your money and you know it.

BULLIES are just mean no matter how much money they have.

And because of your 'rights' to own guns, which is fine, but no one is trying to take away or ban guns from those mentally stable people who have them legally.

"The National Rifle Association was promoting a Valentine's Day–themed tweet on Wednesday that urged its nearly 500,000 followers to "buy your loved one a gun" as a teenager in Florida was opening fire on his former high school classmates with an AR-15 assault rifle.

The NRA retweeted a post by Kimber Firearms that featured a photo of a heart-shaped pillow with matching handguns lying on it on Wednesday morning, according to the Internet archiving website the Wayback Machine. The gun advocacy organization's retweet was live at 3:49 p.m. EST. By 7 p.m. EST, the retweet had been deleted, Business Insider reported. "  www.newsweek.com/nra-gun-sales-florida-school-shooting-808128

Absolutely nothing. I’m not the one with the problems with the gun laws

Clearly this is not a problem she’s had, so it’s not her problem. Self-interest only.

I suspect if a member of her family had been in Las Vegas or this high school and killed by one person with an AR-15 she would be leading the charge for reforms.

It’s this  “if it doesn’t affect me personally I am going to do absolutely nothing” mentality, not just with guns, that has gotten this country into the mess we find ourselves  in today.

Obscene. 

Please show where I have ever said that I have no problem with illegal immigrants.

Comment made on tv today.


Every one should be PRO-life for our children!

I’m so freakin’ sick of hearing it’s too soon to talk about guns. When will it be time? With 18 school shootings in 6 weeks of this year, they really need to get on it before there’s another shooting in the next two weeks or so.

Somebody better start something!