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Post by birdgate on Feb 15, 2018 3:43:22 GMT
I watched the coverage for hours. I was so sad. Still am. The shooter is Hispanic FYI for those that think he might’ve white I thought he had red hair and freckles ? He took on his adoptive parents last name, Cruz. His adoptive mother died in November and father died three years ago. Kids that knew him said he liked killing small animals and collecting guns. Saw him wearing his MAGA hat. I saw that on his Instagram account before it was taken down. The dead animals, a big arsenal of guns and wearing a MAGA hat in his profile. I'm sure there's a lot more to his story and life that's about to be unraveled. |
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Feb 15, 2018 3:44:30 GMT
They just said that this is the 13th school shooting in 2018. So sad and scary. Just waking up in a different time zone, I have 4 pages to read but will post this: terrorists have as their aim the wish to terrorize, to cause terror. 13 school shootings in 6 weeks seems pretty terrifying to me. This is terrorism. I do not know (or care) what colour or nationality etc etc the shooter is. S/he is a terrorist. Alternatively, those in power who shrug their shoulders when sensible gun controls are called for, who may be saying "it's too soon..... We will pray for the bereaved..." who fail to act while taking campaign contributions from the NRA are aiding and abetting terrorists. |
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 15, 2018 3:49:09 GMT
I was listening to a podcast a little while ago (possibly This American Life) and they were talking to a guy who was able to manufacture his own gun with a 3D printer and get it to fire successfully. He then put the blueprints online for everyone because he felt everyone should have be able to have a gun if they want. The most important piece of the gun that he was able to make was the part that was supposed to have the serial number. The ones he made had no serial number. This is pretty scary. It means control over weapons could be seriously compromised all over the world if people are able to just 3D print a gun! He was being charged but I can't remember what happened. I think it was Planet Money - I listened to the same episode. I was disgusted that after Newtown happened his first thought was "oh good, I'm glad people can still get guns with my 3D plans". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 3:49:28 GMT
My daughter is studying abroad and I have had so many people ask if I am worried about her safety. Of course, there is always concern given the threat of terrorism in the world. But frankly I worry more for us in the U.S. who blindly continue to accept the blatant terrorism jammed down our throats by the NRA over an archaic constitutional edict that has been manipulated beyond anything our forefathers could have imagined. I am tired of the same bromides from legislators, the media and even parents who say they are stunned it happened in their community. Wake up America. Nowhere is safe if we do not seriously stand up to the gun lobby in this country. My prayers are with those families but it won't be the last time unfortunately. The "gun lobby" is not forcing or even encouraging people to go out and shoot up schools any more than the abortion lobbying groups are forcing or even encouraging people to use abortion as birth control. |
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 15, 2018 3:55:14 GMT
My daughter is studying abroad and I have had so many people ask if I am worried about her safety. Of course, there is always concern given the threat of terrorism in the world. But frankly I worry more for us in the U.S. who blindly continue to accept the blatant terrorism jammed down our throats by the NRA over an archaic constitutional edict that has been manipulated beyond anything our forefathers could have imagined. I am tired of the same bromides from legislators, the media and even parents who say they are stunned it happened in their community. Wake up America. Nowhere is safe if we do not seriously stand up to the gun lobby in this country. My prayers are with those families but it won't be the last time unfortunately. The "gun lobby" is not forcing or even encouraging people to go out and shoot up schools any more than the abortion lobbying groups are forcing or even encouraging people to use abortion as birth control. I don't think the gun lobby is encouraging shooting up schools, but I have seen some videos from the NRA that IMHO are very fear mongering and very close to inciting violence. The purpose of the NRA when it was formed is drastically different from its current incarnation, which I believe is really just a voice for the gun manufacturers to sell more guns. I think they have been very successful at convincing many people that they need to live in fear and hoard guns to protect themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 4:07:11 GMT
Why do people often say they need more facts? Multiple people dead, by a gun, at a school. You can't form opinions on that?! What a cop out to pay lip service to needing more facts. By the time you get whatever other facts you need, there will be another shooting that you can claim you need more facts about. You can not form effective opinions on what would have stopped it when you know absolutely no facts on what happened and how. |
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Post by katybee on Feb 15, 2018 4:07:24 GMT
How many teachers are rethinking what they would do if this ever happened in your school? I think about it every time a major school shooting happens. Of course we have lockdown procedures. We lock our doors, close our blinds, hide in a corner and get really quiet. All a shooter would have to do is shoot through the door… It’s not like it’s bulletproof. We used to put a little green sign under the door that said everything was OK ( flipped to the red side if there was a problem ). But we don’t do that anymore, because that would let the shooter know there were people inside that room. What a joke! I think the shooter is going to figure out that there is a class inside the locked classroom! In all reality – there’s not a whole lot we can do. Terrifying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 4:09:33 GMT
i heard someone, on a news report this evening, mention 'connecting the dots' people had said 'if anyone would shoot up a school...it's that kid' we also need more 'see something, say something' people don't like to speak up and voice concern we should start being more proactive about things that concern us - whether we are obligated or not I agree. |
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Post by Karene on Feb 15, 2018 4:14:18 GMT
Thanks pudgygroundhog, I figured it was either This American Life or Planet Money. I thought that guy has no empathy. He knew he should feel bad about Newtown but he didn't feel bad about it.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 15, 2018 4:21:53 GMT
I had just said that should be played over and over again... Listen, watch and see what happens to the kids in the class room! Yes it is horrific, but people NEED to see what happens to those kids, and tell me it is ok for them to go through that! I have mixed feelings on it being shown. Not every sees sees it as we do. Others may see it as a need for armed teachers or a right to carry at school. I typically don't participate in threads about shooting anymore because I don't believe the answer is banning guns, but here I go. Screaming for the banning of guns makes otherwise sensible gun owners dig their heels in. DH voted straight Republican in 2014 (gov, senator, representative, and state level) over gun laws and control. He's kicking himself now because Gardner is an ass and then we also have Trump and his dumbass. I fully believe that there need to be better and harder background checks. I believe that mental health services in this country need to vastly improve. This is an area we can't ignore. It is a string argument for universal healthcare. I am a teacher. I have no desire to ever be armed at school. I do not believe that most teachers should be armed. I do understand the idea of rural schools thinking they want people armed as the response time for police at these schools may be quite high, but if they were to be armed, id want deep testing and training repeated every 6 months or so. As a teacher, I would protect my students with my life. I believe I would be able to shoot someone threatening them, but I don't know that. I know that it would be hard to shoot a student. I know that I would be extremely messed up after. My school would be a pretty easy target as we have at least 3 entrance points that are not locked or monitored. This does worry me. I do believe that guns and mental health are only part of the problem Something in society is also wrong, although I don't know what it is. My heart breaks for all those involved, students, parents, first responders, news personnel, community members...their lives will never be the same. |
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All school shootings from Wikipiedia for 20th & 21st Centuries Count of Shootings and Sum of Dead: Argentina Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 3 Australia Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 2 Austria-Hungary Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 3 Azerbaijan Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 12 Belgium Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 4 Brazil Count of Killed 3 Sum of Killed2 17 Bulgaria Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 6 Burma Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 7 Canada Count of Killed 4 Sum of Killed2 22 China Count of Killed 18 Sum of Killed2 82 Finland Count of Killed 3 Sum of Killed2 20 France Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 4 German Reich Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 4 Germany Count of Killed 3 Sum of Killed2 34 Guatemala Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 2 Hong Kong Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 6 Israel Count of Killed 2 Sum of Killed2 39 Japan Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 8 Kenya Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 148 Latvia Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 4 Malaysia Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 3 México Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 4 New Zealand Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 2 Niger Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 5 Pakistan Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 148 Philippines Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 3 Poland Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 6 Russia Count of Killed 2 Sum of Killed2 340 Sweden Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 4 Thailand Count of Killed 2 Sum of Killed2 5 Trinidad and Tobago Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 5 U.K. Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 17 U.S. Count of Killed 39 Sum of Killed2 282 West Germany Count of Killed 3 Sum of Killed2 17 Yemen Count of Killed 1 Sum of Killed2 6 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres_by_death_toll |
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Post by birukitty on Feb 15, 2018 4:25:02 GMT
We can stop this as a nation once we agree that our children and fellow citizen's lives are more important and valuable than than owning a gun-an object. I'm not saying we have to have a complete gun ban. I'm suggesting we do what Australia did after the Port Arthur Massacre. We are the only country that these almost daily mass gun shootings are happening to. And yet we are doing nothing to stop them. Other countries have the same problems we do-people with mental health problems, kids playing violent video games, and so on. The one difference between them and us that sticks out clearly is our lack of gun control compared to them-I'm talking about the UK, Japan, Germany, Australia and so on.
How can we place the value of owning a gun (an object) over the value of even one human life? It is staring us in the face and we have to, we must change this now! 17 more teens lost today, all of that wonderful potential lost in a few minutes because of our lack of sufficient gun control laws. If we follow the example of other countries those who live on farms would be allowed rifles to manage their farms. People who want to practice shooting for sport would go to places to do that where their guns are kept and locked up. Only police and the military would have access to guns. How would we accomplish this? You can read all about how Australia did it for information on that. We'd have to change the 2nd amendment, but we've changed amendments before. As far as the NRA goes I think if we did this they should be disbanded.
This is my hope for our countries future. Will it ever happen? I don't know, but I'm an optimist. I think if we don't try something like this we'll never stop these huge numbers of death. If our citizens were dying of anything else in these numbers it would have stopped long, long ago. Because of the power of the NRA and the money they bribe the congress with it hasn't. They need to be stopped before any kind of true change can happen. We need a leader who believes in something like this and we need to get rid of the NRA.
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How many teachers are rethinking what they would do if this ever happened in your school? I think about it every time a major school shooting happens. Of course we have lockdown procedures. We lock our doors, close our blinds, hide in a corner and get really quiet. All a shooter would have to do is shoot through the door… It’s not like it’s bulletproof. We used to put a little green sign under the door that said everything was OK ( flipped to the red side if there was a problem ). But we don’t do that anymore, because that would let the shooter know there were people inside that room. What a joke! I think the shooter is going to figure out that there is a class inside the locked classroom! In all reality – there’s not a whole lot we can do. Terrifying. I revisit it all the time. I dream about it every couple of months if not more. I run through the scenerios...what would I do if... I can't imagine |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2018 4:42:51 GMT
He then put the blueprints online for everyone because he felt everyone should have be able to have a gun if they want. The most important piece of the gun that he was able to make was the part that was supposed to have the serial number. The ones he made had no serial number. NOT good, but plastic and not able to shoot multiples, think it might get too hot and melt maybe. Mass shootings? Short answer, semi-automatic(whatever the official title is) weapons that can spray a room or at least shoot one after another without reloading. Revolvers 5 or 6 shots.. 9MM one clip 9? shots maybe. I did like the answer to the Constitution .... Everyone can be issued a musket and a rod to reload it. ***** Today's killer had an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle according to NBC TV news. |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Feb 15, 2018 4:49:23 GMT
Senate 1. John McCain Ariz. “Cindy & I are praying for the victims of the terrible #LasVegasShooting & their families.” $7,740,521 from the N.R.A. 2. Richard Burr N.C. “My heart is with the people of Las Vegas and their first responders today. This morning’s tragic violence has absolutely no place here in America.” $6,986,620 from the N.R.A. 3. Roy Blunt Mo. “Saddened by the tragic loss of life in #LasVegas. My thoughts are with all of the families affected by this horrific attack.” $4,551,146 from the N.R.A. 4. Thom Tillis N.C. “Susan and I send our deepest condolences and prayers to the families of the victims of this horrific and senseless tragedy in Las Vegas.” $4,418,012 from the N.R.A. 5. Cory Gardner Co. “My family and I are praying for the families of those injured and killed in Las Vegas last night.” $3,879,064 from the N.R.A. 6. Marco Rubio Fla. “I’m praying for all the victims, their families, and our first responders in the #LasVegas #MandalayBay shooting.” $3,303,355 from the N.R.A. 7. Joni Ernst Iowa “My prayers are with all of the victims in Las Vegas, and their loved ones affected by this senseless act of violence.” $3,124,273 from the N.R.A. 8. Rob Portman Ohio “Jane & I mourn the loss of innocent lives in this horrific attack in Las Vegas last night. We are praying for those taken from us, their families & all those injured in this attack.” $3,061,941 from the N.R.A. 9. Todd Young Ind. “We must offer our full support to the victims and their families as our nation mourns.” $2,896,732 from the N.R.A. 10. Bill Cassidy La. “Following closely the horrendous act of violence in Las Vegas. Our prayers are with those who were injured, killed and their families.” $2,861,047 from the N.R.A. House: 1. French Hill Ark. “Martha and I are praying for the families and victims of this senseless act of evil. […] We must continue to work together to stop this kind of terror.” $1,089,477 from the N.R.A. 2. Ken Buck Co. “I'm praying for all of those impacted by the evil events in Las Vegas last night. Our country must stand together in support of the families of the victims and the community.” $800,544 from the N.R.A. 3. David Young Iowa “My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and friends of the horrific and evil tragedy in Las Vegas.” $707,662 from the N.R.A. 4. Mike Simpson Idaho “Though no words can heal our hurt, and no explanation will ever feel sufficient, I pray that all involved may find comfort as we process this devastating tragedy.” $385,731 from the N.R.A. 5. Greg Gianforte Mont. No statement released. $344,630 from the N.R.A. 6. Don Young Alaska “Anne and I are praying for all those involved or impacted by this heinous act of violence.” $245,720 from the N.R.A. 7. Lloyd Smucker Pa. “Horrific act of violence in Las Vegas. Cindy and I pray for the victims, their families, and the first responders.” $221,736 from the N.R.A. 8. Bruce Poliquin Maine “My thoughts are with all those effected in the horrifying attacks in Las Vegas. The nation is with you.” $201,398 from the N.R.A. 9. Pete Sessions Tex. “My deepest sympathies are with all who were harmed by this horrific tragedy.” $158,111 from the N.R.A. 10. Barbara Comstock Va. “I am heartbroken by the mass murder that took place last night in Las Vegas and I am praying for the victims, families, and first responders.” $137,232 from the N.R.A. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.htmlTerrorists living in your and funding your government. This is no better than Russia. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 4:54:56 GMT
My news coverage must be behind because I didn't realize that information had been released that this was something that would have been prevented by any sort of reasonable gun control - that this was a weapon that would have been one that is banned. The only thing I heard was that he also looked up or was in a chat room about building a bomb, which I'm sure is already illegal.
You are right. We don't know any details about this latest school shooting in a steady stream of school shootings which will be followed by a gazillion more school shootings because of this country's FUCKING love affair with guns. Yes we have gun laws on the books which sometimes are successful, many times not. We also have people in Washington who say, "It's a mental health problem." Who then overturn legislation aimed at keeping the mentally ill on SSD from obtaining guns. If we have gun laws on the books, and more and more and more and more of this country's children keep getting blown away at a place where they should be safe, then what's the next normal thing to say? It is not, "I didn't realize that information had been released that this was something that would have been prevented by any sort of reasonable gun control." That answer is wrong. That answer lacks basic human compassion. That answer is essentially saying "We as Americans love and care more about guns (inanimate objects!) than people." The thing is, I don't think you think that--I think it's a knee-jerk reaction and a deflection against the enormous pain of realizing that yet again, parents sent their children off to school today and they are not coming home again. Instead of distancing yourself from that image, try to imagine yourself in a similar scenario a few years ago with your own daughter, when you yourself were sending her off to school, secure in the knowledge that she would be returning to you in the afternoon. It's easy to throw out the time-honored 2nd amendment platitudes: guns don't kill people, people kill people, thoughts and prayers, yadda yadda yadda. It's a lazy way for people to stay in their heads and not have to confront reality. Because to confront reality would mean that we as a country need to feel uncomfortable in order to do what needs to be done to combat this problem. Your selective outrage on which snark to call out is a joke. Including adding your own snark. Horseshit. It is not "essentially saying that". What it IS saying is, there's no way to make informed opinions on how to stop it without knowing all the facts. That's a fact. Your attempt to diminish people by labeling them in a derogatory way in order to dismiss that fact though, is duly noted. Says WAY more about you than the one you attempted to demean and diminish. |
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Post by burningfeather on Feb 15, 2018 5:03:50 GMT
So it sounds like it was widely known that the shooter was bullied. And a reporter said that students said he was a loner and "didn't even sit in the 'Emo Gazebo' at lunch." WTActualFuck
There seems to be more than just a gun problem going on. Blame legal, responsible gun owners all you want for wanting to keep their gun rights, but you better be looking at the teachers and officials who aren't addressing the bullying that is going on in schools too. It's reported that it's the number one reason for school shootings. Solve the bullying issue and maybe you won't have kids shooting up schools
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 5:08:11 GMT
Did any of you see the video on CNN of the classroom footage? My God.....I don’t even know what to say. US media are fucking brutal and so sensationalistic. I won’t watch it. Makes you wonder how much that contributes to this being a choice that students make when they go off the deep end. |
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Post by peano on Feb 15, 2018 5:09:21 GMT
Really? You are choosing to be snarky at a time like this?
You are right. We don't know any details about this latest school shooting in a steady stream of school shootings which will be followed by a gazillion more school shootings because of this country's FUCKING love affair with guns. Yes we have gun laws on the books which sometimes are successful, many times not. We also have people in Washington who say, "It's a mental health problem." Who then overturn legislation aimed at keeping the mentally ill on SSD from obtaining guns. If we have gun laws on the books, and more and more and more and more of this country's children keep getting blown away at a place where they should be safe, then what's the next normal thing to say? It is not, "I didn't realize that information had been released that this was something that would have been prevented by any sort of reasonable gun control." That answer is wrong. That answer lacks basic human compassion. That answer is essentially saying "We as Americans love and care more about guns (inanimate objects!) than people." The thing is, I don't think you think that--I think it's a knee-jerk reaction and a deflection against the enormous pain of realizing that yet again, parents sent their children off to school today and they are not coming home again. Instead of distancing yourself from that image, try to imagine yourself in a similar scenario a few years ago with your own daughter, when you yourself were sending her off to school, secure in the knowledge that she would be returning to you in the afternoon. It's easy to throw out the time-honored 2nd amendment platitudes: guns don't kill people, people kill people, thoughts and prayers, yadda yadda yadda. It's a lazy way for people to stay in their heads and not have to confront reality. Because to confront reality would mean that we as a country need to feel uncomfortable in order to do what needs to be done to combat this problem. Your selective outrage on which snark to call out is a joke. Including adding your own snark. Horseshit. It is not "essentially saying that". What it IS saying is, there's no way to make informed opinions on how to stop it without knowing all the facts. That's a fact. Your attempt to diminish people by labeling them in a derogatory way in order to dismiss that fact though, is duly noted. Says WAY more about you than the one you attempted to demean and diminish. I stand by every word I wrote. And what about you Gia? Do you have the courage to stop intellectualizing and relying on 2nd amendment platitudes and to try to manifest some compassion for your fellow human beings? Do you want to see solutions to this problem? Are you willing to admit that the current management of this problem isn't working? |
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Did any of you see the video on CNN of the classroom footage? My God.....I don’t even know what to say. I had just said that should be played over and over again... Listen, watch and see what happens to the kids in the class room! Yes it is horrific, but people NEED to see what happens to those kids, and tell me it is ok for them to go through that! Who the hell is telling you it's okay for the kids to go through that?! |
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2018 5:13:54 GMT
So it sounds like it was widely known that the shooter was bullied. And a reporter said that students said he was a loner and "didn't even sit in the 'Emo Gazebo' at lunch." WTActualFuck There seems to be more than just a gun problem going on. Blame legal, responsible gun owners all you want for wanting to keep their gun rights, but you better be looking at the teachers and officials who aren't addressing the bullying that is going on in schools too. It's reported that it's the number one reason for school shootings. Hindsight is 20/20. Many people are bullied and loners, sit alone etc. Most wouldn't do anything like this. Guns, just by their presence and use in the killings have to be considered, don't they/shouldn't they? Can't it be of multiple causes? Availability of guns, mental health awareness, people need to pay attention and tell, bullying and on and on. I don't want to defend or dismiss any of the possibilities. Why dismiss any possibilities? We need to just do something to fix it. We are all pointing fingers in a zillion different directions and yet doing nothing as children die. |
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Post by burningfeather on Feb 15, 2018 5:17:21 GMT
Most wouldn't do anything like this. And yet in almost every case of a school shooting, that's the base cause. |
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Post by peano on Feb 15, 2018 5:20:45 GMT
So it sounds like it was widely known that the shooter was bullied. And a reporter said that students said he was a loner and "didn't even sit in the 'Emo Gazebo' at lunch." WTActualFuck There seems to be more than just a gun problem going on. Blame legal, responsible gun owners all you want for wanting to keep their gun rights, but you better be looking at the teachers and officials who aren't addressing the bullying that is going on in schools too. It's reported that it's the number one reason for school shootings. Solve the bullying issue and maybe you won't have kids shooting up schools No, actually the number one reason for school shootings is guns. One can hardly say that the number one reason for school shootings is baseball bats, bombs or ricin. |
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2018 5:22:13 GMT
Most wouldn't do like this. And yet in almost every case of a school shooting, that's the base cause.  ? no disrespect, I'm confused at what that means. My "most wouldn't do anything like this" to me meant most people that have been bullied, are loners etc are not bad people. How is that the cause? ETA reading back, perhaps you believe bullying is a possible cause. I agree. Part of the cause. How do you come to the conclusion that it is the base cause? Where all the shooters bullied? I know guns were present at all the shootings. |
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Post by birukitty on Feb 15, 2018 5:25:05 GMT
So it sounds like it was widely known that the shooter was bullied. And a reporter said that students said he was a loner and "didn't even sit in the 'Emo Gazebo' at lunch." WTActualFuck There seems to be more than just a gun problem going on. Blame legal, responsible gun owners all you want for wanting to keep their gun rights, but you better be looking at the teachers and officials who aren't addressing the bullying that is going on in schools too. It's reported that it's the number one reason for school shootings. Solve the bullying issue and maybe you won't have kids shooting up schools Do you think bullying doesn't happen in the other countries that don't have 2 school shootings a week like we do? Bullying has always been around, everywhere. |
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Post by burningfeather on Feb 15, 2018 5:34:04 GMT
And yet in almost every case of a school shooting, that's the base cause. ? no disrespect, I'm confused at what that means. My "most wouldn't do anything like this" to me meant most people that have been bullied, are loners etc are not bad people. How is that the cause? ETA reading back, perhaps you believe bullying is a possible cause. I agree. Part of the cause. How do you come to the conclusion that it is the base cause? Where all the shooters bullied? I know guns were present at all the shootings. I also know that most guns are never used to kill anyone and most gun owners legally purchase, own and use their guns. So the whole "most never" argument can go both ways. And to be super clear - we do own guns. Most were inherited and have never been shot. Some were DH's that he used for hunting (for food because his family relies on venison to get them through the winter months; no trophy killing involved). We were licensed gun owners in states where it was required, guns were registered where required, we've taken gun ownership and shooting classes, and DH is a licensed and trained CCL holder, although he does not carry on a regular basis. I do not have a CCL because, quite frankly, it's not a good fit for me. We do not own any guns that would be prohibited in any way by any sort of reasonable gun legislation. We also are not members of NRA and our guns are very securely stored inside a locked safe that is inside another locked safe room. And I still don't think that gun bans/gun legislation would have one bit of a difference on gun violence. |
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When I quickly added all that up, I got over 47 million dollars. Holy crap. We wonder why nothing is changing? There you have it, in a nutshell. |
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