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Here's my main issue - we aren't even allowed to talk about guns and policies because the minute somebody utters the word "gun", the NRA shuts it down. The CDC isn't even allowed to study the issue. Can you imagine anything else that kills close to 35k people a year and we can't research it and study it and try to do better? And the problem is multifaceted - a huge chunk of the deaths are suicide, likely by law abiding citizens who purchased their guns legally. Further gun control in those situations likely won't help - but maybe better mental health screening and access to healthcare could help. What are the factors that contribute to kids having access to guns? Would a big push on a campaign about better storage of guns to reduce access to kids help? Maybe there situations where better regulation could help. But how do we even learn if we can't even talk about it? And I'm tired of the attitude that "bad guys will always get guns, so let's just not even try". Where else do we even apply that same logic? "Illegal immigrants will always get in, so let's just open our borders" said no one ever. How do the guns get into their hands? I would be very interested in better understanding that. Are people selling guns they shouldn't be? Is it theft? Smuggling? I doubt manufacturers are selling directly to people who shouldn't have guns, so let's try to understand how legal guns become illegal ones and how we can change that. And none of this means somebody is coming for your guns. I just don't get the obsession and excessive gun culture. I listened to a story last week about a hard core right wing conservative that introduced a bill in Louisiana that would ban toy guns from schools and impose fines/penalties if somebody brings a toy gun to school. Why? The police chief had an incident at a school where a "toy" gun was found that took him a full five minutes to realize it was fake - that's how accurate some of these toy guns are. His concern was a police officer shooting a kid or person with one of these guns because by look they wouldn't be able to discern if a gun was real or not. I think they said 115 people are shot each year because an officer thinks a toy gun is a real gun. Anyway - most people thought this seemed like pretty common sense legislation and it was basically political suicide for the legislator because the NRA and other shooting groups thought this would somehow make it easier for somebody to come take away their real guns. Really? It seemed like such an overreaction. That's not true. Said no one ever. To either of those. This was someone's opinion of what the NRA would think or an actual statement from the NRA or representatives?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2018 5:51:40 GMT
Teacher at Florida HS after shooting: 'Government has failed us and our kids'BY BRANDON CARTER - 02/14/18 08:32 PM EST "The frustration is that we did everything that we were supposed to do ... and still to have so many causalities. ... I feel today like our government, our country, has failed us and failed our kids and didn't keep us safe." - Melissa Falkowski, teacher at Florida high school pic.twitter.com/LknYnQaD2A
— Anderson Cooper 360° (@ac360) February 15, 2018A teacher at the Florida high school where a deadly school shooting occurred Wednesday said she feels the “government has failed us and failed our kids” with its response to previous mass shootings. “We have trained for this. We’ve trained the kids what to do, and the frustration is that we did everything that we were supposed to do…and still have to have so many casualties…it’s very emotional,” Mellisa Falkowski said on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360.” “I feel today like our government, our country has failed us and failed our kids, and didn’t keep us safe,” she continued. thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/373954-teacher-at-florida-hs-after-shooting-government-has-failed-usI hope this teacher does not lose her job for speaking out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 6:03:09 GMT
ginacivey as a former high school teacher I can tell you that speaking up about concerns often does no good. About 12 years ago I had a boy in my 9th grade class who got mad and made a threat of shooting up the school. It was reported and we were basically blown off. I actually went into his permanent record and saw that he had made threats in middle school as well. At most he would be suspended for a day or two. We had a conference with his parents in a classroom during our team planning period. The parents very quickly got upset with us and started yelling and cussing. They were so loud that a football coach next door came to see if we needed help. Thankfully, the admin that was present for the meeting ended it because of the parents behavior. It did let us see why the kid was the way he was. And too many people are afraid to say something for reasons like what happened to you and because of people using the racist label as a weapon in order to shut down opposing opinions. I mean seeing a potential problem with an enormous amount of guns, ammo and bomb making supplies in your house is a problem no matter what race you are. Take a look at the guy who said he suspected something with the San Berardino couple, but not knowing for sure, he didn't want to be labeled a racist sooo... he said nothing. Look what happened when someone said something about Ahmed Mohamed and his clock that resembled a bomb. That's one of the problems when people are too free with the racist label even in the absence of anything actually having to do with the race. You create a society afraid to speak up when it would help prevent something horrible. THIS! This is a very important question we need to be looking into.
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2018 6:04:37 GMT
? no disrespect, I'm confused at what that means. My "most wouldn't do anything like this" to me meant most people that have been bullied, are loners etc are not bad people. How is that the cause? ETA reading back, perhaps you believe bullying is a possible cause. I agree. Part of the cause. How do you come to the conclusion that it is the base cause? Where all the shooters bullied? I know guns were present at all the shootings. I also know that most guns are never used to kill anyone and most gun owners legally purchase, own and use their guns. So the whole "most never" argument can go both ways. And to be super clear - we do own guns. Most were inherited and have never been shot. Some were DH's that he used for hunting (for food because his family relies on venison to get them through the winter months; no trophy killing involved). We were licensed gun owners in states where it was required, guns were registered where required, we've taken gun ownership and shooting classes, and DH is a licensed and trained CCL holder, although he does not carry on a regular basis. I do not have a CCL because, quite frankly, it's not a good fit for me. We do not own any guns that would be prohibited in any way by any sort of reasonable gun legislation. We also are not members of NRA and our guns are very securely stored inside a locked safe that is inside another locked safe room. And I still don't think that gun bans/gun legislation would have one bit of a difference on gun violence. Again, I believe bullying and guns are parts of the problem. I was asking how you did come to the conclusion that bullying is the "base cause" and not even entertaining the possibilities of guns? You are probably correct in the "most never" theory on guns and same as I am on "bullied people". We KNOW guns were present at EVERY shooting. That is a fact. Do we know every shooter was bullied or how many? I am not aware of such statistics. (no snark) so that is still a variable until proven. That is the problem I have with your claim/logic of being bullied as base cause. If we each choose to ignore one possibility (or any) over another we may never solve this problem. And to be clear I too grew up with guns in the house and family members hunting. Until recently there were guns in this house. I respect responsible gun owners but can't overlook the possibility of guns control/safety being at least part of the problem.
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Post by burningfeather on Feb 15, 2018 6:10:54 GMT
I was asking how you did come to the conclusion that bullying is the "base causeI didn't come to that conclusion. An expert was interviewed and stated that bullying is the number one cause in school shootings. I do not have his name, but I think we've all heard the reports from various shootings over the years about the shooters being students who were bullied. Of course, this is the first time since 1999 that a student shooter has survived, so only time will tell if he will report that it was the reason, but certainly students at that school are saying they knew he was an outcast and bullied.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 6:11:05 GMT
Stricter gun control is NOT going to stop illegally obtained guns. I'll be interested to learn HOW this former kid got into the school when they were given warnings to not let him on school grounds again. How did he get in?? He apparently pulled the fire alarm. How about we try stricter gun control laws before we jump to this conclusion? I am so sick of people saying what won't work, when we have tried NOTHING. Our children are dying at SCHOOL. When do we as humans get so outraged tht awe do somthing?? Obama and his pen and phone did something and nothing that he did would have prevented any of the mass shootings we've had so far. What do you suggest be done then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 6:16:10 GMT
the stupid argument that 'stricter gun control laws' won't work is just that--stupid. Do we say "People won't wear seat belts so why make wearing them a law?" or "people will drive cars anyway so why make them get licenses?" or "men will hit their wives so let's normalize domestic abuse?" or "children hate school so why make them go?" or "corporations will always try to make money so why regulate pesticide usage?" or "teens want to use alcohol so why not just let them?" It's a fucking ridiculous, stupid, inane argument. You could say "cars don't kill people, people do" but that doesn't mean you don't have speed limits, stop signs, licensing requirements, and a mandatory one year permit period. You also didn't have anyone demanding we ban cars as you suggest we ban guns. Even when drunk driving deaths outnumbered gun deaths. Calling for a gun ban is a fucking ridiculous, stupid, inane argument.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 6:22:59 GMT
Driving is a privilege; the right to bear arms is a Constitutional guarantee. Right there is the difference in the ability to regulate and the extent of regulation. It's time we put the lives of children above the rights of fucking gun owners. time to change the constitution so that people without a shred of human decency have to stop hiding behind it. Demonizing people with different ideas about how to accomplish the same thing, or how not to accomplish it, doesn't do anything to further the solution. If you think people who don't agree with your solutions to preventing this believe children shouldn't be able to go to school without being killed, you need to take a good hard look at your logic and critical thinking. Just try to look past your idea that only YOUR solution is right. BTW, what IS your solution?
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2018 6:25:30 GMT
I was asking how you did come to the conclusion that bullying is the "base causeI didn't come to that conclusion. An expert was interviewed and stated that bullying is the number one cause in school shootings. I do not have his name, but I think we've all heard the reports from various shootings over the years about the shooters being students who were bullied. Of course, this is the first time since 1999 that a student shooter has survived, so only time will tell if he will report that it was the reason, but certainly students at that school are saying they knew he was an outcast and bullied. thank you for answering. I will still hold out on my opinion then based on one expert's opinion (again, no snark) because other experts have different and/or opposite opinions- one being blaming guns control/safety, another being lacking mental health care. Just like any opinions, they aren't fact until proven.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 15, 2018 6:50:17 GMT
I live in a country which, last time I looked, was one of the countries in the world with the largest amount of privately owned weapons. We have so far not had one single school shooting. (Based on population size, we should have at least one per year). So what is different? Kids get bullied in school here as well, and of course we have crime. And we most definitely have a culture of "keeping guns at home to stay safe" e (but against foreign invasion, not against our own Government or fellow citizens), it has been encouraged for centuries. But we do have very strict gun control (which still means people own guns) and privately owned military weapons are extremely difficult to buy. You can't pop into a gun store and just buy the newest model from Accuracy International or an AR-15. But while I think gun control is a VERY important part of the picture, it is not the entire picture. Better (but by no means perfect) access to mentalt health support is also part of the picture. But most of all, I think (although I might be wrong, but it is my impression) is that you have a culture that is in love with violence and killing and the tools that give the opportunity to carry that out.
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Post by burningfeather on Feb 15, 2018 6:54:50 GMT
thank you for answering. I will still hold out on my opinion then based on one expert's opinion (again, no snark) because other experts have different and/or opposite opinions- one being blaming guns control/safety, another being lacking mental health care. I'm just curious how gun control/safety can be cited as a "reason" (also no snark intended). The guns are the weapon, the tool. The gun isn't the reason. There's an underlying reason that someone uses a weapon - be it a gun, a bomb, a knife, a car, or even a fist. The weapon isn't the reason on its own. Taking away access to guns (let's assume ALL guns, which is never going to happen) still doesn't solve the underlying reason. And while it might make it harder to carry out on a large scale basis (and I do acknowledge that), if someone is determined enough because of an underlying reason/trauma, they will find another way. They will mow down students with their vehicle; they will build a bomb, etc.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Feb 15, 2018 6:55:40 GMT
So many thoughts...
First, from the previous poster on page one who asked if mental health services were not readily available. In short, no, they aren't. My family has excellent insurance. My DD needed mental health counseling several years ago as a result of medical issues that arose from intense anxiety. We waited one full year, limping along with a school counselor who did her best to help us get through, before DD was able to see an outstanding youth counselor. Our local children's hospital is currently building a multi-million dollar behavioral health campus to address children's mental health. We can only hope that more rapid assistance can be made available to kids in desperate need.
Second, why has the intensity of the violence ramped up so significantly over the last 30-40 years? I'm not one to automatically blame media, etc., in most situations. However, I will say that when I was in high school, the video games we played were Pac-Man, Qbert and other harmless, mindless amusements. I am a parent who says "NO!" to games like "Call of Duty" and others that glorify mass killing and violence. I wish more parents would do the same.
Third, politicians and the NRA. We have to stop electing career politicians and begin to elect individuals who will vote for what is right, even if it means they will not be re-elected. These people DO exist. I would encourage you to seek them out and vote for them.
Fourth -- bullying. All I can say is, parents, be involved in your children's lives. Drive the carpools and listen to the conversations between teens. Become friends with your children's friends. And LISTEN. Be willing to confront your own child (and others) regarding potential bullying behavior. We all want to believe our kids are kind, but the reality is, we cannot say that 100 percent of our kids are kind 100 percent of the time. Don't be afraid to step in and demand better from your own kids and their friends. Everyone has a right to be treated with respect!
I know there was more that I wanted to say, but this is a good start.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 7:02:48 GMT
How about we try stricter gun control laws before we jump to this conclusion? I am so sick of people saying what won't work, when we have tried NOTHING. Our children are dying at SCHOOL. When do we as humans get so outraged tht awe do somthing?? Maybe, probably there are multiple causes at fault. There are many variables. But saying "Stricter gun control is NOT going to stop illegally obtained guns." fails to address an obvious one. Without trying, changing that one variable, what is the proof that it will not work? (damn science analogy)
It may not stop all illegal obtained guns but some. If it makes it harder for some messed up kid who then doesn't follow through because of that hurdle, that's one. If it stops another who can't make that hurdle that was just made a little higher/harder that's two. or we can do nothing. That's zero. I say we damn well better start this experiment soon and find the offending variable(s) and fix this mess we are in. Killing children while they are in what should be a safe place of learning and then doing nothing is unfathomable to me. If you don't have the ability to enforce current restrictions, how is adding stricter ones going to create the ability to enforce them?
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Post by Legacy Girl on Feb 15, 2018 7:06:16 GMT
Oh, another thought. Our metro area suffered the loss of two LEOs this week. They were ambushed as they responded to a domestic violence call. The shooter was a convicted felon who got the gun from a friend who knew he was not allowed to own a gun, but purchased it for him anyway (for a $100 service fee). Today, the person who purchased the gun is in jail, denied bond, and facing up to 10 years in prison. His family is maintaining that he is a fine, upstanding citizen who played no role in the deaths of the two officers. By denying bail, the judge in this case is sending a strong message to the contrary. If others were to follow the judge's lead, holding gun owners/purchasers accountable, perhaps these individuals would think twice before providing guns to criminals who cannot legally obtain them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 7:11:39 GMT
The right to bear arms was not written with a semi automatic or fully automatic weapon in mind. So give all the gun control fanatics a musket and it's win win in my mind. You can "bear your arm" and I might not hear about another massacre.
How about we put funding back into our schools and our mental health institutions instead of tax breaks for private jets? It is crap that we as a nation can find a solution. We have a solution. We know what will solve this problem. Why won't we do it? Because of a law written before the technology existed? Please. That's just a stupid, foolish argument. Legal, sure... sigh... as long as we keep pushing off the problem what's the big deal? It's just a few more dead kids right? Same for your 1st amendment rights. By your logic it only applies to the printing press and as far as you can shout.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 7:23:40 GMT
Maybe let people have their guns. Just don't let them have any ammunition. Does the Constitution say that everyone has a right to ammunition? It isn't the right to bear weapons, or the right to a specific part of it. It is right to bear arms. The federal government cannot restrict piecemeal what the constitution forbids them wholesale. This principle has been held up many times in first amendment and fourth amendment decisions. See flag burning, obscene t shirts, etc. Keep in mind that his debate goes very much to the heart of the constitution. The second amendment is there ultimately to protect and uphold the constitution from the government.
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Post by gar on Feb 15, 2018 7:40:08 GMT
Is this an old thread being bumped? Wait, no...sadly but entirely predictably, it's just another re-run of the same old back and forth and the 'same' dead children
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2018 7:49:17 GMT
thank you for answering. I will still hold out on my opinion then based on one expert's opinion (again, no snark) because other experts have different and/or opposite opinions- one being blaming guns control/safety, another being lacking mental health care. I'm just curious how gun control/safety can be cited as a "reason" (also no snark intended). The guns are the weapon, the tool. The gun isn't the reason. There's an underlying reason that someone uses a weapon - be it a gun, a bomb, a knife, a car, or even a fist. The weapon isn't the reason on its own. Taking away access to guns (let's assume ALL guns, which is never going to happen) still doesn't solve the underlying reason. And while it might make it harder to carry out on a large scale basis (and I do acknowledge that), if someone is determined enough because of an underlying reason/trauma, they will find another way. They will mow down students with their vehicle; they will build a bomb, etc. Maybe "reason" is a bad word to use. (?) Maybe we need to find the "variables" and/or "constants" to complete the "equation". Maybe that is what we really need to be figuring out- the full equation. As best as we can. Guns are present/used to kill. They are a constant. They are needed part of the equation. Some things will be more constant, some more variable. Maybe we need to find the most consistencies and work from there. If bullying is found to be more of a constant, address that too. Put it in the equation. And so on. Figure out what things (physical or not) are most present. What variables/constants complete the equation? a+b+c+d+...=mass shooting. The gun is the physical thing that is always present and needed by the (unknown) shooter to complete the equation. It is not the gun's fault, but it is necessary. It has to be present to have the conclusion we keep coming to-to complete this awful equation. If you want to look at it that more specifically, maybe not the gun itself but the access to (?). Maybe looking for that one "reason" isn't the answer. Maybe we need to plug things into the equation until it fits- if that makes sense. I agree that crazy people will always find ways to hurt/kill. But why are guns mostly used? Possibly because they are easy. Small and accessible with a big bang for their buck. I think people gravitate toward easy. Let's make it hard. Really hard. More people will (hopefully) fail. and with that babbling, hopefully semi-coherent, I'm over-tired, over-stressed thought I need to hit the hay. Hopefully sleep will come. Today's shooting hit me hard. (can you tell by my over-posting) This madness needs to stop. It is nearing why-the-heck-am-still-awake-here o'clock. Yikes. Good night.
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2018 8:00:39 GMT
If you don't have the ability to enforce current restrictions, how is adding stricter ones going to create the ability to enforce them?
If,in fact, we aren't enforcing the current restrictions and they would solve the problem if we did, then fine. I'm ok with sticking with and enforcing them. Whatever it takes. Enforce the current or make more restrictions. Just do the something that we aren't doing now. We need to figure it out and just to stop all the shootings. Guns are part of "shootings" one way or another. We have the ability, I believe, just not trying/doing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:01:01 GMT
The "gun lobby" is not forcing or even encouraging people to go out and shoot up schools any more than the abortion lobbying groups are forcing or even encouraging people to use abortion as birth control. I don't think the gun lobby is encouraging shooting up schools, but I have seen some videos from the NRA that IMHO are very fear mongering and very close to inciting violence.
The purpose of the NRA when it was formed is drastically different from its current incarnation, which I believe is really just a voice for the gun manufacturers to sell more guns. I think they have been very successful at convincing many people that they need to live in fear and hoard guns to protect themselves. I have seen that video and just like the racism in the Melania thread, the violence was non existent. Since there was no violence to SEE on the video I quoted word for word repeatedly, and asked to have the violence pointed out. The most I got was "it's there, if you don't see it and hear it, you're an idiot" type responses along with many other personal attacks. Repeatedly. Not to mention after giving no explanation whatsoever on which words or actions were actually violent, I got told several times that "we've already explained it". If you'd like to read it for yourself. So, based on the actual video itself and not the hysterical interpretation of it, I strongly disagree that the NRA ad Dana Loesch was in saying she was going to call out the NY Times when they get it wrong, was inciting violence. If calling for a newspaper to get their shit right is inciting violence just because it comes from an NRA member, then I have to seriously question the mental capacity of anyone it would incite to be violent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:02:12 GMT
Did any of you see the video on CNN of the classroom footage? My God.....I don’t even know what to say. It is horrific. It IS horrific and shocking and agreed it shouldn’t be televised BUT I think ALL of Congress and the WH too should have to watch that video OVER AND OVER until they f-ing DO SOMETHING! They need shock and horror to see what all their campaign money has bought!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:28:09 GMT
You can not form effective opinions on what would have stopped it when you know absolutely no facts on what happened and how. <<<unfortunately no where in there are effective opinions formed and action taken by anyone who could make a change. Time in between shooting after shooting and still nothing is being done. Even after we have more facts on the what and how. I and the person I responded to were talking about here. On this message board. She was outraged that someone here said they would need more facts to form an opinion on how to stop this. As far as I know, there are no law makers participating here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:30:22 GMT
So it sounds like it was widely known that the shooter was bullied. And a reporter said that students said he was a loner and "didn't even sit in the 'Emo Gazebo' at lunch." WTActualFuck There seems to be more than just a gun problem going on. Blame legal, responsible gun owners all you want for wanting to keep their gun rights, but you better be looking at the teachers and officials who aren't addressing the bullying that is going on in schools too. It's reported that it's the number one reason for school shootings. Solve the bullying issue and maybe you won't have kids shooting up schools Very good point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:36:51 GMT
Your selective outrage on which snark to call out is a joke. Including adding your own snark. Horseshit. It is not "essentially saying that". What it IS saying is, there's no way to make informed opinions on how to stop it without knowing all the facts. That's a fact. Your attempt to diminish people by labeling them in a derogatory way in order to dismiss that fact though, is duly noted. Says WAY more about you than the one you attempted to demean and diminish. I stand by every word I wrote. Somehow, I'm not surprised. Are YOU willing to admit that the previous management of this problem wasn't working either? One of the most effective solutions given and Joe Biden "threw up his hands and said" we don't have the manpower to enforce that current law. So, tell me again how NEW laws are suddenly going to be enforceable when we can't enforce the current ones?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:45:43 GMT
We can stop this as a nation once we agree that our children and fellow citizen's lives are more important and valuable than than owning a gun-an object. I'm not saying we have to have a complete gun ban. I'm suggesting we do what Australia did after the Port Arthur Massacre. We are the only country that these almost daily mass gun shootings are happening to. And yet we are doing nothing to stop them. Other countries have the same problems we do-people with mental health problems, kids playing violent video games, and so on. The one difference between them and us that sticks out clearly is our lack of gun control compared to them-I'm talking about the UK, Japan, Germany, Australia and so on. How can we place the value of owning a gun (an object) over the value of even one human life? It is staring us in the face and we have to, we must change this now! 17 more teens lost today, all of that wonderful potential lost in a few minutes because of our lack of sufficient gun control laws. If we follow the example of other countries those who live on farms would be allowed rifles to manage their farms. People who want to practice shooting for sport would go to places to do that where their guns are kept and locked up. Only police and the military would have access to guns. How would we accomplish this? You can read all about how Australia did it for information on that. We'd have to change the 2nd amendment, but we've changed amendments before. As far as the NRA goes I think if we did this they should be disbanded. This is my hope for our countries future. Will it ever happen? I don't know, but I'm an optimist. I think if we don't try something like this we'll never stop these huge numbers of death. If our citizens were dying of anything else in these numbers it would have stopped long, long ago. Because of the power of the NRA and the money they bribe the congress with it hasn't. They need to be stopped before any kind of true change can happen. We need a leader who believes in something like this and we need to get rid of the NRA. We DO have gun control. We have a lack of enforcement, not a lack of gun control laws. Those we have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:52:45 GMT
So it sounds like it was widely known that the shooter was bullied. And a reporter said that students said he was a loner and "didn't even sit in the 'Emo Gazebo' at lunch." WTActualFuck There seems to be more than just a gun problem going on. Blame legal, responsible gun owners all you want for wanting to keep their gun rights, but you better be looking at the teachers and officials who aren't addressing the bullying that is going on in schools too. It's reported that it's the number one reason for school shootings. Solve the bullying issue and maybe you won't have kids shooting up schools No, actually the number one reason for school shootings is guns. One can hardly say that the number one reason for school shootings is baseball bats, bombs or ricin. Given the the amount of guns in this country and gun owners, this doesn't seem to hold true. Otherwise school shootings would be happening every minute of every day, every year. To claim the number one reason is guns, because guns, is not very logical and leaves out a LOT of other factors.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 15, 2018 8:53:13 GMT
Trump's thoughts and prayers are with all those affected, so all is well with the world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:55:38 GMT
So it sounds like it was widely known that the shooter was bullied. And a reporter said that students said he was a loner and "didn't even sit in the 'Emo Gazebo' at lunch." WTActualFuck There seems to be more than just a gun problem going on. Blame legal, responsible gun owners all you want for wanting to keep their gun rights, but you better be looking at the teachers and officials who aren't addressing the bullying that is going on in schools too. It's reported that it's the number one reason for school shootings. Solve the bullying issue and maybe you won't have kids shooting up schools Do you think bullying doesn't happen in the other countries that don't have 2 school shootings a week like we do? Bullying has always been around, everywhere. And so have guns been around forever and we didn't have this problem. Students had them in the back of their truck on a rack and people weren't shooting up the schools. something has changed and it isn't available guns. They've always been here.
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