Shooting at HS in Parkland Florida

OMG, is that really the threshold for you to call it a problem? I think we are far closer to every minute of every day, every year that I am comfortable with, but go you. We will wait a little longer. 

The Congress lifted the ban on the CDC studying gun violence. In 2013. When Obama was President.

The results?

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”



“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”



“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”


Obama liked to play on the fears of people by often touting a verifiable lie and his disciples went right along with it instead of researching and employing that critical thinking that only the Right is incapable of. 

"We are not allowed to use any of that when it comes to guns because when you propose anything it is suggested that we are trying to wipe away gun rights and promote tyranny and martial law. Do you know that Congress will not allow the Center of Disease Control to study gun violence? They are not allowed to study it because the notion is that by studying it, the same way we do with traffic accidents, somehow that is going to lead to everyone’s guns being confiscated. If you buy a car and want to get a license—first of all you have to get a license, people have to know you know how to drive—you don’t have to do any of that in respect to buying a gun."

Oh scrapsonthe rocks, what a horrible thing to happen!

I live in Korea, and bullying in schools is basically an art form here. It’s really really bad.

But no school shootings, ever. Because no guns. Suicide rate is very high, which is awful, but if we are talking stopping school mass violence bullying isn’t the factor- guns are.

Of course you all already know that.

We've always had access to guns and yet shooting up schools hasn't always been happening. 

Don't do that. Don't insert some new meaning to what I said and claim outrage as if that's what I really said. I was referring to that accessibility of guns, nothing about what constitutes a problem. That's the kind of bullshit that is not real discussion and derails a thread. 

ScrapsontheRocks I’m so sorry for your experience ((hugs))

How wonderfully ironic and so very hypocritical of you to be in this thread, attacking “liberals” personally, when you boo hoo and bemoan them having done the same towards conservatives on your “safe thread”, when here, the outrage they have is not directed at peas, but at our government. You just want to be ugly towards others.

Ahhhh...I see, it’s been happening for many years, so it’s okay, normal and we should just let it go.

Imagine that—a thread about a school shooting where many peas are outraged at the loss of life for children, wanting stricter gun control/something to be done...

And the same/usual conservative peas come and tell us how stupid that is, it won’t work—at least one of those peas “guaranteed it”— and another preaching about “silencing”/shutting down their opinions while at the same time belittles and shuts down a pea with a different point of view labeling her point as “fucking ridiculous”, being patronizing and ridiculing comments made by by those who don’t agree with them.

Hypocritical that they attack the different point of view that some have as potential solutions or just their sadness and outrage for these shootings even happening.

This thread is ripe with conservatives telling others with a different viewpoint of just how wrong they are in their thinking and beliefs.

God forbid anyone speak up.

I'm glad I have an exterior door on my classroom, particularly as my classroom is the closest one to the front of the school.  No way I'm sitting in a dark room waiting for a shooter to find me and my students first.

While there are numerous causes behind mass shootings - mental health, bullying, isolation, radical views - the common denominator is a gun. While someone who wants to do harm can always find another weapon, they can not find one that is as easily accessed, easy to use or as glorified by books, movies, social media and video games. A gun, particularly a semi or fully automatic weapon, gives the shooter the opportunity to do a significant amount of damage and see that damage for himself before being taken out. Guns require little intelligence to use and make the shooter feel empowered.

While I'd like to fix all of the root causes of these shootings, I don't believe we can. I do believe we can control access to certain weapons and be more vigilant in knowing who has them and matching that information up with their social media rants and reports to school officials about that person's behavior.

We can decrease the occurrence of these situations but it requires people to actually compromise. We will not get rid of private ownership of all guns in the US. It won't happen; the 2nd amendment is entrenched. We can though keep it legal for every single capable adult to have access to a weapon if they so desire and make those who have weapons responsible. Gun owners can arm themselves and not put others at risks. Making certain types of weapons illegal and requiring gun owners to secure their weapons does not keep anyone from protecting themselves but it does protect everyone else.

I would have no safe way to get students out of a building. I'm on an upper level of an old building. We couldn't go out a window since it's too high. If it really happened I'd put my kids in the back of the room and I'd start building a blockade in front of my door. When I first started teaching this shit was so rare that I always felt like it would never happen at my school. I don't feel that way anymore. Pretty freaking depressing.SaveSave

I owe more thanks to Nanner and uksue . All good thoughts to your son and to you as he makes his way through school and life.

I send good thoughts out to all the teacher peas, too- how awful to have to think of how to navigate a possible incident of this sort. Peace.