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Post by gar on Sept 28, 2018 6:50:46 GMT
It isn't like there aren't plenty of other qualified women or men who could fill this seat who haven't had the issues this man has had. Until they try to fill this seat, then the issues will come out of the woodwork. As they should surely. Someone wanting to hold this high powered and important position should be entirely suitable, not just relying on the 'old boys' network to secure the job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 6:59:10 GMT
I know someone got reprimanded upthread here or on another thread for bringing up age of the senators but I found myself (no spring chicken) saying out loud to myself today, "we need to get those old people out". and then I checked myself for being ageist. Then I realized it wasn't the age as much as the out.of.touch. Some of them have been there so long with little reaching out to or experiencing the current "real world" that they are stuck in a rut (or time warp) resistant to any change. Cuz I've witnessed some hip and in-the-know old people that have some really good ideas. They are out there experiencing things and listening to (gasp!) young people even! Some of those in congress aren't. Stuck in the year of their election maybe? ETA all the young'uns 'round here are primed and ready to vote. Get the old ones OUT!!! There is NOTHING ageist about that. It is about being REPRESENTATIONAL!! The median age of the Senate is 61! The median age of the country is 37.8! It's ridiculous that too many millennials and others don't vote and let the voices of the past make the decisions of where this country (AND WORLD!) will go (or won't). We are moving into a world of climate change, AI, automation the likes of which we've never seen. THOSE WHO WILL LIVE IN THAT WORLD FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS SHOULD MAKE THE DECISIONS ABOUT IT. (imo) The median age of the Senate is 61! The median age of the voters is 57! That's pretty spot on to representing those that give enough of a shit to bother to vote. You don't want to vote? Why should you be represented? How can you possibly be represented?
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Post by cade387 on Sept 28, 2018 9:49:28 GMT
Get the old ones OUT!!! There is NOTHING ageist about that. It is about being REPRESENTATIONAL!! The median age of the Senate is 61! The median age of the country is 37.8! It's ridiculous that too many millennials and others don't vote and let the voices of the past make the decisions of where this country (AND WORLD!) will go (or won't). We are moving into a world of climate change, AI, automation the likes of which we've never seen. THOSE WHO WILL LIVE IN THAT WORLD FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS SHOULD MAKE THE DECISIONS ABOUT IT. (imo) The median age of the Senate is 61! The median age of the voters is 57! That's pretty spot on to representing those that give enough of a shit to bother to vote. You don't want to vote? Why should you be represented? How can you possibly be represented? So you think children are subpar, and not to be valued as real citizens? Are you kidding me? That explains a lot
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 28, 2018 10:22:26 GMT
It isn't like there aren't plenty of other qualified women or men who could fill this seat who haven't had the issues this man has had. Until they try to fill this seat, then the issues will come out of the woodwork. Except Gorsuch’s nomination, vote and seating illustrate that is not true.
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Post by Merge on Sept 28, 2018 10:49:16 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 11:10:08 GMT
Thanks for the link. I posted the info from CNN Don Lemon 2 minute before the time line on this article. I could not find it in writing any where as of 12:30 am this morning. Again thanks.
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Post by Really Red on Sept 28, 2018 11:34:34 GMT
So I missed this (stinking work!): when Kavanaugh was rude to Sen Klobuchar. Jennifer Rubin from the Washington Post wrote:
The worst moment was his confrontation with Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) who questioned him about blackout drinking. She explained that she understood alcohol abuse because her father was an alcoholic. Have you ever blacked out? she asked. He sneered in response, “Have you?” It was a moment of singular cruelty and disrespect. One saw a flash in the exchange with Klobuchar the same sense of entitlement, cruelty and lack of simple decency that Christine Blasey Ford allegedly experienced way back when, the memory seared in her brain of two obnoxious teens laughing at her ordeal.
This is exactly it. It shocks me that any thinking person cannot see the sense of entitlement that this person has. No way can or will he ever be impartial. I dread today.
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Post by Just T on Sept 28, 2018 11:45:33 GMT
I just heard something on CNN that is really niggling at me.
They were interviewing one of Kavanaugh's high school friends, who was defending his character, saying no way would he/could he have done anything like this. He kept calling Dr. Ford 'Chrissy Blasey.' According to Kavanaugh yesterday, he doesn't remember ever meeting Dr. Ford, though their paths could have crossed at some point. He made it clear that his crowd of friends didn't hang out with girls from her school. So, why is his friend calling her 'Chrissy?' That seems like a weird way to refer to someone who your crowd of friends didn't hang out with, who you may have at some point crossed paths with. Chrissy seems more like a name that maybe her friends called her in school? It seems strange to me for this man to call her Chrissy. I have not heard anyone else refer to her as that.
I don't know, maybe I am just overthinking as I try to make sense of this whole mess.
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Post by gar on Sept 28, 2018 11:58:17 GMT
So I missed this (stinking work!): when Kavanaugh was rude to Sen Klobuchar. Jennifer Rubin from the Washington Post wrote: The worst moment was his confrontation with Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) who questioned him about blackout drinking. She explained that she understood alcohol abuse because her father was an alcoholic. Have you ever blacked out? she asked. He sneered in response, “Have you?” It was a moment of singular cruelty and disrespect. One saw a flash in the exchange with Klobuchar the same sense of entitlement, cruelty and lack of simple decency that Christine Blasey Ford allegedly experienced way back when, the memory seared in her brain of two obnoxious teens laughing at her ordeal.This is exactly it. It shocks me that any thinking person cannot see the sense of entitlement that this person has. No way can or will he ever be impartial. I dread today. As an outsider, not Dem or Rep that’s how it looks to me. Without referencing any past situations, without political bias, just focusing on him as a person with several questions against his reputation (financial, character), how can anyone honestly, absolutely honestly, think he’s suitable to be considered for this role, especially after his performance yesterday?
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 28, 2018 12:07:41 GMT
He didn't say that exactly, it was one of the slimy, parsing words tricks he uses. He made it clear that his friends didn't hang out with non-Catholic school girls but he never explicitly said that he didn't know Christine Ford. Clearly, the man Ed Whelan unfairly maligned - the one who introduced the two - could lend some clarity to this claim. But no, we don't need an investigation or a hearing with other witnesses.
I used to think it was just the House of Representatives that is a failed institution; yesterday's farce of a hearing shows that the rot goes the whole way through the entire body.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 28, 2018 12:11:48 GMT
And something else - his college roommate and some friends said it was when he was drunk that his angry, belligerent temperament comes out. So was he drunk yesterday? What's that old adage about alcohol revealing who you really are? Even if all of these charges were proven to be untrue and even if it was somehow determined that he's not now committed perjury multiple times, his conduct yesterday - the abject partisanship, the crazy conspiracy theories and the blind, raging belligerence and rudeness to Democratic Senators on that committee (particularly Amy Klobuchar) render him wholly unfit to be a Supreme Court Justice. Can you imagine what was going through John Roberts' head as he watched those proceedings?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 12:38:08 GMT
And something else - his college roommate and some friends said it was when he was drunk that his angry, belligerent temperament comes out. So was he drunk yesterday? What's that old adage about alcohol revealing who you really are? Even if all of these charges were proven to be untrue and even if it was somehow determined that he's not now committed perjury multiple times, his conduct yesterday - the abject partisanship, the crazy conspiracy theories and the blind, raging belligerence and rudeness to Democratic Senators on that committee (particularly Amy Klobuchar) render him wholly unfit to be a Supreme Court Justice. Can you imagine what was going through John Roberts' head as he watched those proceedings? Judging by the comments on my local news, a good chunk of people don't care about his behavior yesterday. They're all screaming to have him confirmed. The lone two or three people I saw saying he's unfit are being roasted, threatened and called all kinds of names. I suspect the houses will be the same way - confirming him despite his awful behavior.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 12:39:28 GMT
And something else - his college roommate and some friends said it was when he was drunk that his angry, belligerent temperament comes out. So was he drunk yesterday? What's that old adage about alcohol revealing who you really are? Even if all of these charges were proven to be untrue and even if it was somehow determined that he's not now committed perjury multiple times, his conduct yesterday - the abject partisanship, the crazy conspiracy theories and the blind, raging belligerence and rudeness to Democratic Senators on that committee (particularly Amy Klobuchar) render him wholly unfit to be a Supreme Court Justice. Can you imagine what was going through John Roberts' head as he watched those proceedings? Justice Kennedy might not be so happy about the performance! I pointed out the other day, no it was yesterday, how belligerent he was being and how could they not believe he was a very belligerent drunk! He showed the world! Patricia Schroeder former Colorado Congresswoman, during the Anita Hill hearing.. Just said, on CNN, if he is this angry/belligerent while sober, how is he when drunk?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 12:39:50 GMT
And something else - his college roommate and some friends said it was when he was drunk that his angry, belligerent temperament comes out. So was he drunk yesterday? What's that old adage about alcohol revealing who you really are? Even if all of these charges were proven to be untrue and even if it was somehow determined that he's not now committed perjury multiple times, his conduct yesterday - the abject partisanship, the crazy conspiracy theories and the blind, raging belligerence and rudeness to Democratic Senators on that committee (particularly Amy Klobuchar) render him wholly unfit to be a Supreme Court Justice. Can you imagine what was going through John Roberts' head as he watched those proceedings? Judging by the comments on my local news, a good chunk of people don't care about his behavior yesterday. They're all screaming to have him confirmed. The lone two or three people I saw saying he's unfit are being roasted, threatened and called all kinds of names. I suspect the houses will be the same way - confirming him despite his awful behavior. Republicans have created this decisive , aggressive, bullying atmosphere and they continue to get away with it.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 12:39:51 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! Except that this wasn’t a criminal trial. It was a job interview. I’m much more interested in how he conducted himself (or didn’t) in a professional setting when the stakes were high. He came across as unable to control his outbursts and evasive. He was not direct when responding to questions - rather he politicized instead of answering. Regardless of what little “evidence “ he may or may not have had (and I saw nothing absolving him of the raucous behavior he’s accused of), he showed that he does not have the dignity nor self- control that should be standard-issue for a Supreme Court Justice, nor can he be non-partisan.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 12:42:36 GMT
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 12:48:08 GMT
Point taken, but he is used to speaking in public... After his initial statement he should be able to compose himself. He might get upset at different times, but not to sniffle through the whole thing. How used to fighting for his life while speaking in public is he? Not very. As a judge he should be well-versed in keeping his composure during intense situations. And he’s not fighting for his life. That’s an insult to every person out there who is truly trying to stay alive. Fighting for a job he hadn’t yet gotten, maybe. Fighting for the life of privilege he has and will continue to lead when this is over. And perhaps fighting for his dignity - although with his outbursts & whining & evasiveness he pretty much took care of that all by himself.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 12:49:19 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! Except that this wasn’t a criminal trial. It was a job interview. I’m much more interested in how he conducted himself (or didn’t) in a professional setting when the stakes were high. He came across as unable to control his outbursts and evasive. He was not direct when responding to questions - rather he politicized instead of answering. Regardless of what little “evidence “ he may or may not have had (and I saw nothing absolving him of the raucous behavior he’s accused of), he showed that he does not have the dignity nor self- control that should be standard-issue for a Supreme Court Justice, nor can he be non-partisan. He didn’t have any evidence— Just yelling and being disrespectful to Democratic senators, and republicans who also denounced, demeaned, and screamed along with him. Republicans sure have the attitude that “if they say it then it is gospel truth” even when there very credible info to the contrary or proof of blatant lying. Last night a college friend of kavanaugh stated that he was with kavanaugh when they would get wasted.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 12:52:41 GMT
I would be calm, respectful, answer directly & clearly, and not say anything or behave in such a way that might make my credibility questionable. I honestly don't think he could pick the right way to react. If he's calm, composed and professional he'd be condemned for not showing the emotion a wrongly accused innocent man would, so that proves he's not innocent. If he's angry at being a wrongly accused innocent man and having his family's life threatened and shows it and sheds tears then that proves he's not credible. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don’t have a problem with him being emotional. His emotion when talking about his daughter was genuine and heartfelt. What I’m talking about is all the theatrics instead of just answering simple questions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 12:54:20 GMT
THIS. So much THIS.
Kavanaugh is the embodiment of the rage of the old white man who realizes he's fucked things up enormously for so many who are not white men. Their time is coming to an end and they know it.
With all the vast wealth in this world due to intelligence and technology and science, we could be living in a much healthier more equitable world. But the white man knows mostly how to accumulate and separate, not how to share and join together. They only know how to make the world work for those with intelligence and/or family money and/or connections.
I hope I live long enough to see the end of their world. Kavanaugh is the dying breath of the ugly old world of greed and poverty, subjugator and subjugated.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 12:56:33 GMT
He really just rattled off BS examples from LAST NIGHT as proof that he's being railroaded. he needs to calm the FUCK down. Really? "calm the FUCK down"? I wonder how calm any of us would be if we had to testify before a Senate committee. This isn't easy for Dr. Ford, nor is it easy for Mr. Kavanaugh - BOTH are effectively fighting for their lives and reputations.
I would not be able to be calm in such a situation.
Did you happen to notice that she never once raised her voice? Never blamed the Republicans? Answered every question clearly & directly? Was clearly shaken and emotional but remained dignified & respectful?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 12:57:06 GMT
Is is absolutely shameful that the Republicans senators have totally fucked over Dr. Ford by saying what they have been in the last week.
Graham screaming in the hearing that this is nothing but a political ploy by democrats, and kavanaugh saying the same.
The only political game playing is being done by the Republicans —first obstructing a hearing on Merrick Garland, refusing to allow a sitting president his right to make s SC selection for what 8-10 months??? And there was not one iota of controversy with Garland—it was purely Republicans refusing as O’Connell so stated, and now they fear a change in congress come November so they are playing their little political game of aggressive bullying, and attacking to cram their bought and paid for candidate.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 12:59:22 GMT
No matter what comes of all this, I hope Christine Ford finds some peace and solace in finally excising this out of her. I hope she gets her life back, she and her family are safe again, and that she can derive some comfort in knowing a lot of women and men recognize how courageous she was for doing what she did. If nothing else, what Anita Hill and Christine Ford have shown is that an ordinary human being, with grace and dignity, can do something extraordinary for no other reason than it’s the right thing to do. AMEN!!!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 13:02:20 GMT
Really? "calm the FUCK down"? I wonder how calm any of us would be if we had to testify before a Senate committee. This isn't easy for Dr. Ford, nor is it easy for Mr. Kavanaugh - BOTH are effectively fighting for their lives and reputations.
I would not be able to be calm in such a situation.
Did you happen to notice that she never once raised her voice? Never blamed the Republicans? Answered every question clearly & directly? Was clearly shaken and emotional but remained dignified & respectful? Dignified and respectful are not words that the Republicans have been familiar with for years. Attacking, blaming, taking ZERO responsibility for anything they’ve done is there norm. Yesterday’s screaming by the Republicans was shameful. They effectively “gang raped” Dr. Ford by their attacking and blaming the democrats for his assault upon her, diminishing her with their comments.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 13:04:55 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 13:08:56 GMT
How used to fighting for his life while speaking in public is he? Not very. As a judge he should be well-versed in keeping his composure during intense situations. And he’s not fighting for his life. That’s an insult to every person out there who is truly trying to stay alive. Fighting for a job he hadn’t yet gotten, maybe. Fighting for the life of privilege he has and will continue to lead when this is over. And perhaps fighting for his dignity - although with his outbursts & whining & evasiveness he pretty much took care of that all by himself. It’s just dramatics and theatrics by Republicans claiming he’s “fighting for his life”. They are gaslighting when they use that bullshit excuse. He may be fighting for his LIVELIHOOD and LIFETIME appointment on the asC, but he is NOT fighting for his life. Now, Dr. Ford was likely fighting for her life that night when he assaulted her, but not kavanaugh.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 13:10:24 GMT
In all my 58 yrs, I've never known politics to be the cess-pit it is now. I'm sick to death of my own country's politics, the handling of Brexit etc, but I just feel like I want t to wash my hands every time I listen to American politics now. America IS a great country and you deserve so much better than the circus you have at the moment . No we don't. THIS is what we voted for (or couldn't be bothered to vote against). In a democracy, you get the government you deserve! Spot on. Nearly half of eligible voters - over 100 MILLION - couldn’t be bothered in 2016. It’s been said that if “Did Not Vote” had been a candidate, it would have won by a landslide. So, here we are.
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