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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 13:20:22 GMT
Liar liar pants on fire!! Kavanaugh incorrectly claims he could legally drink as a high school seniorBY CHRIS MILLS RODRIGO - 09/28/18 08:10 AM EDT Throughout his nomination process for the Supreme Court Brett Kavanaugh has frequently said that he could legally drink beer during his senior year at Georgetown Prep in Maryland. However, the state's drinking age was raised to 21 at the end of his junior year when he was still 17, meaning that it was actually never legal for him while in high school, according to an Associated Press report. ** “Yes, we drank beer, my friends and I, boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. I still like beer,” he said. “The drinking age, as I noted was 18, so the seniors were legal. Senior year in high school, people were legal to drink.”However, the legal drinking age in Maryland was raised from 18 to 21 on July 1, 1982, and Kavanaugh did not turn 18 until Feb. 12, 1983.It is worth noting that Kavanaugh could legally drink in Washington, D.C., for his final five months of high school, where the age was not raised until 1986. Kavanaugh's drinking habits came under scrutiny Thursday during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing into sexual assault allegations made toward the nominee. ** thehill.com/blogs/briefing-room/408897-kavanaugh-incorrectly-claims-he-could-legally-drink-as-a-high-school-senior
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 13:23:21 GMT
Sasse hasn't declared? I thought he already said he'll vote yes? (I'm not sure at all.) ETA: Flake just declared - yes.
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 28, 2018 13:29:51 GMT
Really? "calm the FUCK down"? I wonder how calm any of us would be if we had to testify before a Senate committee. This isn't easy for Dr. Ford, nor is it easy for Mr. Kavanaugh - BOTH are effectively fighting for their lives and reputations.
I would not be able to be calm in such a situation.
Did you happen to notice that she never once raised her voice? Never blamed the Republicans? Answered every question clearly & directly? Was clearly shaken and emotional but remained dignified & respectful? I did. Her behavior was completely in accordance with someone who was making a scary public accusation about an extremely personal and traumatic experience. Likewise, Kavanaugh behaved in accordance with someone who was defending himself against a scary public accusation. IF he is actually innocent, the righteous indignation he displayed is exactly what I would expect to see.
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Post by cade387 on Sept 28, 2018 13:32:23 GMT
Did you happen to notice that she never once raised her voice? Never blamed the Republicans? Answered every question clearly & directly? Was clearly shaken and emotional but remained dignified & respectful? I did. Her behavior was completely in accordance with someone who was making a scary public accusation about an extremely personal and traumatic experience. Likewise, Kavanaugh behaved in accordance with someone who was defending himself against a scary public accusation, one that has affected him professionally and personally. IF he is actually innocent, the righteous indignation he displayed is exactly what I would expect to see. Not as a judge.
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Post by moodyblue on Sept 28, 2018 13:33:15 GMT
I just read an article on NBC.com by a David Brock, who used to be part of the group that worked with Kavanaugh on the conservative agenda. He's got a lot to say about how KAvanaugh has been groomed to be on the Supreme Court and how partisan he is. He does NOT think he should be on the Court.
I don't know how to link it (I'm at school and first saw the link earlier this morning on Facebook) but if someone could find it and do that, people might find it interesting - and scary - reading.
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 28, 2018 13:46:22 GMT
As a judge he should be well-versed in keeping his composure during intense situations. And he’s not fighting for his life. That’s an insult to every person out there who is truly trying to stay alive. Fighting for a job he hadn’t yet gotten, maybe. Fighting for the life of privilege he has and will continue to lead when this is over. And perhaps fighting for his dignity - although with his outbursts & whining & evasiveness he pretty much took care of that all by himself. Well said
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 13:47:29 GMT
The median age of the Senate is 61! The median age of the voters is 57! That's pretty spot on to representing those that give enough of a shit to bother to vote. You don't want to vote? Why should you be represented? How can you possibly be represented? So you think children are subpar, and not to be valued as real citizens? Are you kidding me? That explains a lot The fact that you took what I said, threw it out and created your own words to stuff in my mouth says everything one needs to know about you. Thanks for a worthless opinion on words no one said.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 13:59:59 GMT
David Brock I knew Brett Kavanaugh during his years as a Republican operative. Don't let him sit on the Supreme Court.We were part of a close circle of cynical hard-right operatives being groomed for much bigger things. Sep.07.2018 / 1:25 PM EDT I used to know Brett Kavanaugh pretty well. And, when I think of Brett now, in the midst of his hearings for a lifetime appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court, all I can think of is the old "Aesop's Fables" adage: "A man is known by the company he keeps." And that's why I want to tell any senator who cares about our democracy: Vote no. Twenty years ago, when I was a conservative movement stalwart, I got to know Brett Kavanaugh both professionally and personally. ** Call it Kavanaugh's cabal: There was his colleague on the Starr investigation, Alex Azar, now the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Mark Paoletta is now chief counsel to Vice President Mike Pence; House anti-Clinton gumshoe Barbara Comstock is now a Republican member of Congress. Future Fox News personalities Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson were there with Ann Coulter, now a best-selling author, and internet provocateur Matt Drudge.At one time or another, each of them partied at my Georgetown townhouse amid much booze and a thick air of cigar smoke. In a rough division of labor, Kavanaugh played the role of lawyer — one of the sharp young minds recruited by the Federalist Society to infiltrate the federal judiciary with true believers. Through that network, Kavanaugh was mentored by D.C. Appeals Court Judge Laurence Silberman, known among his colleagues for planting leaks in the press for partisan advantage. When, as I came to know, Kavanaugh took on the role of designated leaker to the press of sensitive information from Starr's operation, we all laughed that Larry had taught him well. (Of course, that sort of political opportunism by a prosecutor is at best unethical, if not illegal.) Another compatriot was George Conway (now Kellyanne's husband), who led a secretive group of right-wing lawyers — we called them "the elves" — who worked behind the scenes directing the litigation team of Paula Jones, who had sued Clinton for sexual harassment. I knew then that information was flowing quietly from the Jones team via Conway to Starr's office — and also that Conway's go-to man was none other than Brett Kavanaugh. ** Kavanaugh was not a dispassionate finder of fact but rather an engineer of a political smear campaign. And after decades of that, he expects people to believe he's changed his stripes.** More at link: www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-knew-brett-kavanaugh-during-his-years-republican-operative-don-ncna907391
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 14:13:20 GMT
And something else - his college roommate and some friends said it was when he was drunk that his angry, belligerent temperament comes out. So was he drunk yesterday? I guess you totally missed the fact the man's family has had their life threatened, his reputation is forever ruined and his career essentially rendered over. When your life is destroyed it tends to create emotions. Even if... You and too many others still find him guilty of having the gall to exist. The gall to be falsely accused. The gall to possess human emotions that come forth during such a time.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 14:17:19 GMT
David Brock I knew Brett Kavanaugh during his years as a Republican operative. Don't let him sit on the Supreme Court.We were part of a close circle of cynical hard-right operatives being groomed for much bigger things. Sep.07.2018 / 1:25 PM EDT I used to know Brett Kavanaugh pretty well. And, when I think of Brett now, in the midst of his hearings for a lifetime appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court, all I can think of is the old "Aesop's Fables" adage: "A man is known by the company he keeps." And that's why I want to tell any senator who cares about our democracy: Vote no. Twenty years ago, when I was a conservative movement stalwart, I got to know Brett Kavanaugh both professionally and personally. ** Call it Kavanaugh's cabal: There was his colleague on the Starr investigation, Alex Azar, now the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Mark Paoletta is now chief counsel to Vice President Mike Pence; House anti-Clinton gumshoe Barbara Comstock is now a Republican member of Congress. Future Fox News personalities Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson were there with Ann Coulter, now a best-selling author, and internet provocateur Matt Drudge.At one time or another, each of them partied at my Georgetown townhouse amid much booze and a thick air of cigar smoke. In a rough division of labor, Kavanaugh played the role of lawyer — one of the sharp young minds recruited by the Federalist Society to infiltrate the federal judiciary with true believers. Through that network, Kavanaugh was mentored by D.C. Appeals Court Judge Laurence Silberman, known among his colleagues for planting leaks in the press for partisan advantage. When, as I came to know, Kavanaugh took on the role of designated leaker to the press of sensitive information from Starr's operation, we all laughed that Larry had taught him well. (Of course, that sort of political opportunism by a prosecutor is at best unethical, if not illegal.) Another compatriot was George Conway (now Kellyanne's husband), who led a secretive group of right-wing lawyers — we called them "the elves" — who worked behind the scenes directing the litigation team of Paula Jones, who had sued Clinton for sexual harassment. I knew then that information was flowing quietly from the Jones team via Conway to Starr's office — and also that Conway's go-to man was none other than Brett Kavanaugh. ** Kavanaugh was not a dispassionate finder of fact but rather an engineer of a political smear campaign. And after decades of that, he expects people to believe he's changed his stripes.** More at link: www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-knew-brett-kavanaugh-during-his-years-republican-operative-don-ncna907391 moodyblue and revirdsuba99 - Thanks for highlighting this article. "...cynical hard-right operatives being groomed for much bigger things..." "But I can promise you that any pretense of simply being a fair arbiter of the constitutionality of any policy regardless of politics is simply a pretense." Not difficult for me to believe at all after having watched two hearings.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 14:21:53 GMT
So you think children are subpar, and not to be valued as real citizens? Are you kidding me? That explains a lot The fact that you took what I said, threw it out and created your own words to stuff in my mouth says everything one needs to know about you. Thanks for a worthless opinion on words no one said. Gee....sounds just like what you do quite often. Hypocrite much?’ You trolls just can’t keep your shit straight!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 14:26:58 GMT
Not that we needed this............. Although we have known this but not how it was done. "Trump, of course, has generally been impulsive on policy and independent from the Republican leadership on a variety of issues from sanctions on Russia to trade policy. But on judges he has been the ultimate party man, effectively delegating his choice to conservative legal activists. His willing acquiescence to their wishes on what could arguably be one of the few lasting achievements of his presidency reflects how important control of the courts is to both Republican public officials and voters. Polls have shown that power over the Supreme Court nominees was critical to getting Republicans who had misgivings about Trump’s fitness for office to the polls — he issued two lists of conservative judges pleasing to activists over the course of the 2016 campaign — and they’ve also been an important reason for Republican members of Congress to refuse to provide meaningful oversight on an unprecedentedly corrupt president. Trump’s selection of orthodox conservatives to the courts reflects his understanding of this dynamic." More at link. LONG! www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-s-supreme-court-nomination-result-years-unopposed-conservative-ncna890226?icid=related
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 14:27:12 GMT
And something else - his college roommate and some friends said it was when he was drunk that his angry, belligerent temperament comes out. So was he drunk yesterday? What's that old adage about alcohol revealing who you really are? Even if all of these charges were proven to be untrue and even if it was somehow determined that he's not now committed perjury multiple times, his conduct yesterday - the abject partisanship, the crazy conspiracy theories and the blind, raging belligerence and rudeness to Democratic Senators on that committee (particularly Amy Klobuchar) render him wholly unfit to be a Supreme Court Justice. Can you imagine what was going through John Roberts' head as he watched those proceedings? Very well said. Kavanaugh’s one-hour unhinged rant alone against the Democrats was shocking, and all without evidence, especially when contrasted with Ford’s soft-spoken dignity DESPITE her terror and horrific experience. This is the man who lectured about the importance of a jurist’s impartiality, of being above the partisanship. Yet, he was just as pugilistic and toxic as Trump. IMO, even if he does ascend to the SC his behavior will haunt him and his future rulings.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 14:30:55 GMT
Yet, he was just as pugilistic and toxic as Trump. THAT is why he practiced for so many hours in the WH and quoted Thomas with the disgusting and 'circus' almost word for word!
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 14:36:32 GMT
Dr. Ford didn’t have any evidence at all. Judge Kavanaugh had all kinds of evidence. I’m going with the most evidence. Innocent until proven guilty! That’s the law if you are a man or a women! Except that this wasn’t a criminal trial. It was a job interview. I’m much more interested in how he conducted himself (or didn’t) in a professional setting when the stakes were high. He came across as unable to control his outbursts and evasive. He was not direct when responding to questions - rather he politicized instead of answering. Regardless of what little “evidence “ he may or may not have had (and I saw nothing absolving him of the raucous behavior he’s accused of), he showed that he does not have the dignity nor self- control that should be standard-issue for a Supreme Court Justice, nor can he be non-partisan. You’re right on the money. I agree with everything you said.
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 28, 2018 14:37:43 GMT
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Post by thundergal on Sept 28, 2018 14:40:00 GMT
IMO, even if he does ascend to the SC his behavior will haunt him and his future rulings. I really hope so. Karma needs to grab hold of him and not let go.
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Post by surf75 on Sept 28, 2018 14:43:37 GMT
I just read an article on NBC.com by a David Brock, who used to be part of the group that worked with Kavanaugh on the conservative agenda. He's got a lot to say about how KAvanaugh has been groomed to be on the Supreme Court and how partisan he is. He does NOT think he should be on the Court. I don't know how to link it (I'm at school and first saw the link earlier this morning on Facebook) but if someone could find it and do that, people might find it interesting - and scary - reading. Realize that this is the same David Brock who was an operative for the Hillary Clinton campaign, and has an empire including Media Matters, American Bridge, ShareBlue, and Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, all of which are ULTRA left-wing, ULTRA Liberal organizations, funded by big left-wing donors.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 14:44:57 GMT
Did you happen to notice that she never once raised her voice? Never blamed the Republicans? Answered every question clearly & directly? Was clearly shaken and emotional but remained dignified & respectful? I did. Her behavior was completely in accordance with someone who was making a scary public accusation about an extremely personal and traumatic experience. Likewise, Kavanaugh behaved in accordance with someone who was defending himself against a scary public accusation. IF he is actually innocent, the righteous indignation he displayed is exactly what I would expect to see. We’ll just have to agree to disagree then, because to me he came across as someone who was totally freaked out that his truth was about to be revealed, and grasping at everything he possibly could to deflect.
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 14:49:33 GMT
Question - does it bother anyone else that Dr. Blasey Ford's anonymous letter was leaked to the media? I am having real issues with this. She wanted it to stay private & her wishes were disregarded. I've thought about this all night and it just makes me sick.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 14:50:20 GMT
IMO, even if he does ascend to the SC his behavior will haunt him and his future rulings. I really hope so. Karma needs to grab hold of him and not let go. "Facts will come back to haunt you eventually." Guess who said that? Ken Starr, for whom Kavanaugh worked as Associate Counsel.
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Post by amom23 on Sept 28, 2018 14:50:34 GMT
I did. Her behavior was completely in accordance with someone who was making a scary public accusation about an extremely personal and traumatic experience. Likewise, Kavanaugh behaved in accordance with someone who was defending himself against a scary public accusation. IF he is actually innocent, the righteous indignation he displayed is exactly what I would expect to see. We’ll just have to agree to disagree then, because to me he came across as someone who was totally freaked out that his truth was about to be revealed, and grasping at everything he possibly could to deflect. This is how I saw it too. The yelling and fake tears were all too much and not really believable. The resistance to wanting an FBI investigation speaks volumes to me. Innocent people welcome the chance to clear their name.
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 14:50:42 GMT
Did you happen to notice that she never once raised her voice? Never blamed the Republicans? Answered every question clearly & directly? Was clearly shaken and emotional but remained dignified & respectful? I did. Her behavior was completely in accordance with someone who was making a scary public accusation about an extremely personal and traumatic experience. Likewise, Kavanaugh behaved in accordance with someone who was defending himself against a scary public accusation. IF he is actually innocent, the righteous indignation he displayed is exactly what I would expect to see.
I agree with this. I would have been more surprised if he didn't react this way.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 14:52:39 GMT
Question - does it bother anyone else that Dr. Blasey Ford's anonymous letter was leaked to the media? I am having real issues with this. She wanted it to stay private & her wishes were disregarded. I've thought about this all night and it just makes me sick. Yes
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 14:57:28 GMT
Question - does it bother anyone else that Dr. Blasey Ford's anonymous letter was leaked to the media? I am having real issues with this. She wanted it to stay private & her wishes were disregarded. I've thought about this all night and it just makes me sick. It’s been on my mind, too, but I doubt we’ll ever know for sure. One thing is certain – Feinstein did NOT leak it. The first to break the story about the alleged assault was The Intercept, and they’ve already stated that Feinstein was not their source.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 15:02:12 GMT
I did. Her behavior was completely in accordance with someone who was making a scary public accusation about an extremely personal and traumatic experience. Likewise, Kavanaugh behaved in accordance with someone who was defending himself against a scary public accusation. IF he is actually innocent, the righteous indignation he displayed is exactly what I would expect to see.
I agree with this. I would have been more surprised if he didn't react this way. Oh I’m not at all surprised he reacted that way. If my son or husband behaved that way in the hotseat I would be instantly suspicious. Frankly, he reminded me of the suspects on COPS & LivePD who are ADAMANT that there are no drugs in their vehicle or they weren’t driving the car etc, then the dog comes or they watch the CCTV and whaddyaknow.
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 15:05:16 GMT
Question - does it bother anyone else that Dr. Blasey Ford's anonymous letter was leaked to the media? I am having real issues with this. She wanted it to stay private & her wishes were disregarded. I've thought about this all night and it just makes me sick. It’s been on my mind, too, but I doubt we’ll ever know for sure. One thing is certain – Feinstein did NOT leak it. The first to break the story about the alleged assault was The Intercept, and they’ve already stated that Feinstein was not their source. My gut isn't that it was Feinstein either. But I think its just as important to find out who did. You can't say you are on the side of victims and then leak facts they've told you & ask for privacy about. That is just victimizing the victim all over again, and thats not ok.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 15:06:52 GMT
Question - does it bother anyone else that Dr. Blasey Ford's anonymous letter was leaked to the media? I am having real issues with this. She wanted it to stay private & her wishes were disregarded. I've thought about this all night and it just makes me sick. Yes, but are we sure the whole letter was leaked. I will repeat what I have said before: Ed Whelan. I think Kavanaugh KNEW who it was seemly just by hints. The press went after Ford immediately. HOW?!?!
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 15:10:04 GMT
Now we’re supposed to feel sorry for Mark Judge, since he’s a recovering addict & cancer patient it would be incredibly cruel to ask him to testify.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 15:11:25 GMT
There are a lot of good speeches from some in the committee this morning. Some real compassion & powerful words.
And none of them are going to mean a damn thing.
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