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Post by mrssmith on Sept 28, 2018 15:12:24 GMT
I did. Her behavior was completely in accordance with someone who was making a scary public accusation about an extremely personal and traumatic experience. Likewise, Kavanaugh behaved in accordance with someone who was defending himself against a scary public accusation. IF he is actually innocent, the righteous indignation he displayed is exactly what I would expect to see. We’ll just have to agree to disagree then, because to me he came across as someone who was totally freaked out that his truth was about to be revealed, and grasping at everything he possibly could to deflect. Agree with you, flute4peace. Also - that his truth was about to be revealed AND that people would have the audacity to think it was apalling, and not just typical high school behavior that makes you cringe later in life.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 15:13:15 GMT
It galls me that these GOP senators on the committee are still at it this morning talking about “decency” and how the Dems have been indecent.
Every single one of them is in lockstep with a president who is a habitual liar, a crude, crass representation of dirty and corrupt politics, and who has been accused by over a dozen women of sexual misconduct. Someone who confessed himself that when you’re a star women let you do it.
Decency. They wouldn’t know it if it sprouted a hand and waved hello at them.
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Post by beebee on Sept 28, 2018 15:17:14 GMT
I agree with this. I would have been more surprised if he didn't react this way. Oh I’m not at all surprised he reacted that way. If my son or husband behaved that way in the hotseat I would be instantly suspicious. Frankly, he reminded me of the suspects on COPS & LivePD who are ADAMANT that there are no drugs in their vehicle or they weren’t driving the car etc, then the dog comes or they watch the CCTV and whaddyaknow. I guess it is just different personalities. My husband would react strongly if he got accused of what Kavanaugh got accused of and my husband is known for being even-tempered. But I think this would be too much if he truly was innocent. For the record, I think both parties are believable.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 15:18:36 GMT
Sen. Whitehouse is making some very powerful remarks, especially with reference to the calendar. Wish I had the transcript.
But Grassley will just say “we don’t need the FBI”.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 15:20:17 GMT
Now we’re supposed to feel sorry for Mark Judge, since he’s a recovering addict & cancer patient it would be incredibly cruel to ask him to testify. He can't hide in that beach house forever, ill or otherwise. Sooner or later, he will be forced to speak. Sen Whitehouse is not letting this go. He has pledged that no matter what, he will pursue the truth.
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Post by Just T on Sept 28, 2018 15:21:52 GMT
What a bunch of motherf*ckers.
I got nothing else at this point. All that's missing from this thread is lucy saying we are doomed.
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 15:23:06 GMT
Oh I’m not at all surprised he reacted that way. If my son or husband behaved that way in the hotseat I would be instantly suspicious. Frankly, he reminded me of the suspects on COPS & LivePD who are ADAMANT that there are no drugs in their vehicle or they weren’t driving the car etc, then the dog comes or they watch the CCTV and whaddyaknow. I guess it is just different personalities. My husband would react strongly if he got accused of what Kavanaugh got accused of and my husband is known for being even-tempered. But I think this would be too much if he truly was innocent. For the record, I think both parties are believable. My husband is very even-tempered as well. I would expect him to react strongly & with emotion. I would NOT expect him to deflect simple yes or no questions with unhinged crap about a witch hunt (gee wonder where he got that phrase), or try to blame the whole situation on a conspiracy by the “other team” etc. My husband would say, “Please investigate fully, I have nothing to hide. How soon can I meet with investigators?”
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 15:23:48 GMT
Oh I’m not at all surprised he reacted that way. If my son or husband behaved that way in the hotseat I would be instantly suspicious. Frankly, he reminded me of the suspects on COPS & LivePD who are ADAMANT that there are no drugs in their vehicle or they weren’t driving the car etc, then the dog comes or they watch the CCTV and whaddyaknow. I guess it is just different personalities. My husband would react strongly if he got accused of what Kavanaugh got accused of and my husband is known for being even-tempered. But I think this would be too much if he truly was innocent. For the record, I think both parties are believable. My husband is the same way. He is normally level-headed and calm. But if some one questioned his integrity and accused him of attempted sexual assault, he would have probably reacted similarly to Kavanaugh.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 15:24:25 GMT
American Bar Association calls on Judiciaru Committe to halt Kavanaugh vote until FBI Investigation is done!! I was just coming to post this. I wonder what this will mean. I can’t imagine all the Republicans are ok with this man, there has to be one who has the sense to see it would a terrible injustice to force this through without a true and proper investigation. just started reading the thread, but this letter was refuted by Grassley as only being signed by the President of the Bar association, so it's to be seen as just HIS opinion, and not with any official weight behind it. (and, Grassley basically said 'we don't have to do anything anyone else recommends, anyway- so there- nyah.')
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Post by inkedup on Sept 28, 2018 15:24:41 GMT
I just caught a few clips. The woman was calm and rationale. The not-guilty, wanna be Supreme Court Justice was overly emotional and out-of-control. If he can't contain himself at a hearing, I don't think he has the disposition to be a Supreme Court Justice. Fighting for your life and reputation creates a vastly different disposition than simply doing your job does. To predict that his behavior during a normal everyday occurrence will be the same as his behavior and reaction during a catastrophic life event is ludicrous. oh, like when Hillary Clinton's reputation and freedom were on the line during 11 hours of hostile questioning and she didn't cry or yell?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 15:26:41 GMT
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Post by Just T on Sept 28, 2018 15:28:24 GMT
I was just coming to post this. I wonder what this will mean. I can’t imagine all the Republicans are ok with this man, there has to be one who has the sense to see it would a terrible injustice to force this through without a true and proper investigation. just started reading the thread, but this letter was refuted by Grassley as only being signed by the President of the Bar association, so it's to be seen as just HIS opinion, and not with any official weight behind it. (and, Grassley basically said 'we don't have to do anything anyone else recommends, anyway- so there- nyah.') But a letter from Mark Judge's attorney, not signed by Judge at all, but only by the attorney, is all the proof they need.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 28, 2018 15:30:10 GMT
Fighting for your life and reputation creates a vastly different disposition than simply doing your job does. To predict that his behavior during a normal everyday occurrence will be the same as his behavior and reaction during a catastrophic life event is ludicrous. oh, like when Hillary Clinton's reputation and freedom were on the line during 11 hours of hostile questioning and she didn't cry or yell?
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Post by mom on Sept 28, 2018 15:35:02 GMT
just started reading the thread, but this letter was refuted by Grassley as only being signed by the President of the Bar association, so it's to be seen as just HIS opinion, and not with any official weight behind it. (and, Grassley basically said 'we don't have to do anything anyone else recommends, anyway- so there- nyah.') But a letter from Mark Judge's attorney, not signed by Judge at all, but only by the attorney, is all the proof they need.
Actually, there is a second letter, signed by Judge, that has been submitted. LINK
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 28, 2018 15:37:01 GMT
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 28, 2018 15:38:52 GMT
just started reading the thread, but this letter was refuted by Grassley as only being signed by the President of the Bar association, so it's to be seen as just HIS opinion, and not with any official weight behind it. (and, Grassley basically said 'we don't have to do anything anyone else recommends, anyway- so there- nyah.') But a letter from Mark Judge's attorney, not signed by Judge at all, but only by the attorney, is all the proof they need.
The letter was signed by Judge and his attorney as a witness ( if this is the letter you're referring to). Three sentences is all they need to believe him.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 15:39:22 GMT
It’s laughable, just simply laughable that Kavanaugh assigned good-boy definitions to Renate Alumni, boof, devil’s triangle, Beach Week Ralph Club. Like Americans are stupid and don’t know what these terms really mean or what they imply. You know, if he has no problem lying about inconsequential issues like these under oath, what exactly should our expectation be for issues that ARE CONSEQUENTIAL?
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Post by peano on Sept 28, 2018 15:40:37 GMT
Making my way through this epic thread, but wanted to weigh in on my reactions; yesterday was so triggering for me I had to DVR it and take frequent breaks.
I agree that Ford was an excellent witness. Without knowing what her normal demeanor is like, when she’s not testifying about her sexual assault in front of millions of people, I can honestly say that if she is as tremulous and soft spoken as she appeared, I have a hard time imagining her lecturing to a college class or delivering a paper. I think this worked to her advantage, as she presented as the antithesis of the strident female that sets off that cadre of old republican white guys. Not sure if this was how she really is or was a result of coaching from her legal team; if the latter, that was GENIUS.
Which leads me to my next point that the spitting rage we saw in Kavenaugh and Graham was the realization of the death cry of the status quo of male entitlement and entrenched misogyny in this country. The hearing the Republicans designed for themselves didn’t do them any favors—the choppy 5 minute intervals, the use of Mitchell was better optics for them, I guess, but she still needed to wear kid gloves so not as to be seen badgering Ford. I think they had an “oh, shit” moment based on the quality of Ford as a witness and the above...and they were enraged that they were outmaneuvered.
I think we’re going to lose this one; I think that lying sack of shit will be appointed to the Court, but women. are. so. done. Men are going to have their asses handed to them in the midterms and beyond.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 15:42:26 GMT
But a letter from Mark Judge's attorney, not signed by Judge at all, but only by the attorney, is all the proof they need.
The letter was signed by Judge and his attorney as a witness ( if this is the letter you're referring to). Three sentences is all they need to believe him. Look at the date. It was prepared yesterday, Sept 27, 2018. This is not the original statement. And the reason they did this is because it was brought up yesterday in the hearing that he did NOT sign his statement given to the committee before. CYA, in other words.
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Post by annaintx on Sept 28, 2018 15:44:23 GMT
In all my 58 yrs, I've never known politics to be the cess-pit it is now. I'm sick to death of my own country's politics, the handling of Brexit etc, but I just feel like I want t to wash my hands every time I listen to American politics now. America IS a great country and you deserve so much better than the circus you have at the moment . No we don't. THIS is what we voted for (or couldn't be bothered to vote against). In a democracy, you get the government you deserve!Nobody deserves this shitshow of a sham government run by a fuckhead. Nobody.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 28, 2018 15:47:29 GMT
My husband is very even-tempered as well. I would expect him to react strongly & with emotion. I would NOT expect him to deflect simple yes or no questions with unhinged crap about a witch hunt (gee wonder where he got that phrase), or try to blame the whole situation on a conspiracy by the “other team” etc. I'm guessing Kavanaugh acted the way he did in part because Trump didn't like his previous 'performance' and wanted to see more fire and fury from him. In addition to the fact that he certainly looked like he just IS a belligerent, arrogant, entitled partisan stooge. EA: I'm also guessing that the frequent breaks taken during his questioning were so he could get coaching in the hallways about how to answer, how to act, and/or 'attaboys' from the administration.
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Post by mrssmith on Sept 28, 2018 15:49:07 GMT
Look at the date. It was prepared yesterday, Sept 27, 2018. This is not the original statement. And the reason they did this is because it was brought up yesterday in the hearing that he did NOT sign his statement given to the committee before. CYA, in other words. Ah - got it. I had not seen the date.
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Post by annaintx on Sept 28, 2018 15:50:13 GMT
And something else - his college roommate and some friends said it was when he was drunk that his angry, belligerent temperament comes out. So was he drunk yesterday? I guess you totally missed the fact the man's family has had their life threatened, his reputation is forever ruined and his career essentially rendered over. When your life is destroyed it tends to create emotions. Even if... You and too many others still find him guilty of having the gall to exist. The gall to be falsely accused. The gall to possess human emotions that come forth during such a time. Then you know what? Have the FBI investigate the whole thing and find out what they can. There is no reason they shouldn't be asked to investigate. I think it's telling that Kavanaugh would not answer the question about wanting an FBI investigation.
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Post by cade387 on Sept 28, 2018 15:50:51 GMT
So you think children are subpar, and not to be valued as real citizens? Are you kidding me? That explains a lot The fact that you took what I said, threw it out and created your own words to stuff in my mouth says everything one needs to know about you. Thanks for a worthless opinion on words no one said. If you count children under 18 then your numbers were wrong. You removed them from being valid not me. It isn’t my fault you either don’t count those under 18 as being Worth representing or suck at math. Which one is it?
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Post by Just T on Sept 28, 2018 15:57:04 GMT
Making my way through this epic thread, but wanted to weigh in on my reactions; yesterday was so triggering for me I had to DVR it and take frequent breaks. I agree that Ford was an excellent witness. Without knowing what her normal demeanor is like, when she’s not testifying about her sexual assault in front of millions of people, I can honestly say that if she is as tremulous and soft spoken as she appeared, I have a hard time imagining her lecturing to a college class or delivering a paper. I think this worked to her advantage, as she presented as the antithesis of the strident female that sets off that cadre of old republican white guys. Not sure if this was how she really is or was a result of coaching from her legal team; if the latter, that was GENIUS. Which leads me to my next point that the spitting rage we saw in Kavenaugh and Graham was the realization of the death cry of the status quo of male entitlement and entrenched misogyny in this country. The hearing the Republicans designed for themselves didn’t do them any favors—the choppy 5 minute intervals, the use of Mitchell was better optics for them, I guess, but she still needed to wear kid gloves so not as to be seen badgering Ford. I think they had an “oh, shit” moment based on the quality of Ford as a witness and the above...and they were enraged that they were outmaneuvered. I think we’re going to lose this one; I think that lying sack of shit will be appointed to the Court, but women. are. so. done. Men are going to have their asses handed to them in the midterms and beyond. I agree. He is going to be appointed, I have no doubt. I loved hearing those women yelling at Jeff Flake earlier, especially the one who kept pointing out to him that this is exactly why women don't report these things when they happen and that appointing Kavanaugh is going to ensure they continue not to because no one cares.
No one f*ing cares.
Yesterday, this came up at my office. My boss is a staunch, right wing Christian who is gleeful over Kavanaugh. She started in about the usual crap that has flung at sexual assault victims, and I had enough, and ended up telling my story of sexual assault. I said that everything Dr. Ford was saying, I could relate to. Everything. My coworkers were stunned, I felt like shit, I was in tears, I felt bad for just blurting it out at the lunch table, but I couldn't take it anymore. They were all pretty surprised, very kind...my boss just sat there and listened, and finally said, "I'm sorry that happened to you." That is all. Then went to her office to watch Kavanaugh testify. I know that nothing I said changed her mind at all. Not even a tiny bit. All she cares about is getting that ultra-conservative person on the court, everything else be damned.
I'm glad it is the weekend. I am off on Fridays, so hopefully I can calm down before I have to go back to work on Monday.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 15:59:12 GMT
Look at the date. It was prepared yesterday, Sept 27, 2018. This is not the original statement. And the reason they did this is because it was brought up yesterday in the hearing that he did NOT sign his statement given to the committee before. CYA, in other words. It still says he did not recall the incident, it does NOT say it did not happen! He has written that he was a 'blackout' drunk!
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 16:00:10 GMT
Making my way through this epic thread, but wanted to weigh in on my reactions; yesterday was so triggering for me I had to DVR it and take frequent breaks. I agree that Ford was an excellent witness. Without knowing what her normal demeanor is like, when she’s not testifying about her sexual assault in front of millions of people, I can honestly say that if she is as tremulous and soft spoken as she appeared, I have a hard time imagining her lecturing to a college class or delivering a paper. I think this worked to her advantage, as she presented as the antithesis of the strident female that sets off that cadre of old republican white guys. Not sure if this was how she really is or was a result of coaching from her legal team; if the latter, that was GENIUS. Which leads me to my next point that the spitting rage we saw in Kavenaugh and Graham was the realization of the death cry of the status quo of male entitlement and entrenched misogyny in this country. The hearing the Republicans designed for themselves didn’t do them any favors—the choppy 5 minute intervals, the use of Mitchell was better optics for them, I guess, but she still needed to wear kid gloves so not as to be seen badgering Ford. I think they had an “oh, shit” moment based on the quality of Ford as a witness and the above...and they were enraged that they were outmaneuvered. I think we’re going to lose this one; I think that lying sack of shit will be appointed to the Court, but women. are. so. done. Men are going to have their asses handed to them in the midterms and beyond. I agree. He is going to be appointed, I have no doubt. I loved hearing those women yelling at Jeff Flake earlier, especially the one who kept pointing out to him that this is exactly why women don't report these things when they happen and that appointing Kavanaugh is going to ensure they continue not to because no one cares.
No one f*ing cares.
Yesterday, this came up at my office. My boss is a staunch, right wing Christian who is gleeful over Kavanaugh. She started in about the usual crap that has flung at sexual assault victims, and I had enough, and ended up telling my story of sexual assault. I said that everything Dr. Ford was saying, I could relate to. Everything. My coworkers were stunned, I felt like shit, I was in tears, I felt bad for just blurting it out at the lunch table, but I couldn't take it anymore. They were all pretty surprised, very kind...my boss just sat there and listened, and finally said, "I'm sorry that happened to you." That is all. Then went to her office to watch Kavanaugh testify. I know that nothing I said changed her mind at all. Not even a tiny bit. All she cares about is getting that ultra-conservative person on the court, everything else be damned.
I'm glad it is the weekend. I am off on Fridays, so hopefully I can calm down before I have to go back to work on Monday.
This has been such an emotionally brutal few days for you. Please do something soothing for yourself this weekend. You are loved and supported!
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Post by peano on Sept 28, 2018 16:01:02 GMT
Yes. He's a "victim of revenge on behalf of the Clintons." People are pretty pissed off that Clinton isn't president...this idea is not as far fetched as you may think. My God, will you give it up already! That and Kavenaugh's sneaky little subliminal Soros insinuation yesterday. Why are we going to let this political hack onto the high court?
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Post by Just T on Sept 28, 2018 16:05:04 GMT
I agree. He is going to be appointed, I have no doubt. I loved hearing those women yelling at Jeff Flake earlier, especially the one who kept pointing out to him that this is exactly why women don't report these things when they happen and that appointing Kavanaugh is going to ensure they continue not to because no one cares.
No one f*ing cares.
Yesterday, this came up at my office. My boss is a staunch, right wing Christian who is gleeful over Kavanaugh. She started in about the usual crap that has flung at sexual assault victims, and I had enough, and ended up telling my story of sexual assault. I said that everything Dr. Ford was saying, I could relate to. Everything. My coworkers were stunned, I felt like shit, I was in tears, I felt bad for just blurting it out at the lunch table, but I couldn't take it anymore. They were all pretty surprised, very kind...my boss just sat there and listened, and finally said, "I'm sorry that happened to you." That is all. Then went to her office to watch Kavanaugh testify. I know that nothing I said changed her mind at all. Not even a tiny bit. All she cares about is getting that ultra-conservative person on the court, everything else be damned.
I'm glad it is the weekend. I am off on Fridays, so hopefully I can calm down before I have to go back to work on Monday.
This has been such an emotionally brutal few days for you. Please do something soothing for yourself this weekend. You are loved and supported! Thank you. And the thing is, what happened to me, wasn't all that bad compared to the horrific things others have been through. I wasn't raped. My assault only lasted a few minutes, and I got away. My heart just completely aches for anyone who has been through such things. Honestly, what has made it worse for me the past almost two weeks is having to listen to the crap from others that have made me feel compelled to share what happened to me. It has made it worse for me knowing that my young adult daughters will have it no better than us from past generations did. Nothing has changed, and I feel hopeless that it ever really will. That breaks my heart.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 16:06:22 GMT
I'm glad it is the weekend. I am off on Fridays, so hopefully I can calm down before I have to go back to work on Monday. Wishing you peace ....... rest and recover over the weekend. Pamper yourself a bit!! Making my way through this epic thread, but wanted to weigh in on my reactions; yesterday was so triggering for me I had to DVR it and take frequent breaks. Sorry it was a bad day for you too. Wishing you peace also...........
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