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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 28, 2018 21:46:35 GMT
I don't understand what this writer is saying. If Ford isn't lying and Kavanaugh isn't lying, then what are we supposed to think? That K was too drunk and honestly doesn't remember? I think that is what the writer is saying. And you know, I absolutely believe Dr. Ford. But, based on things I remember from turning 18 in 1980, I absolutely believe that Kavanaugh doesn't remember - a combination of too much to drink and the incident not being that out-of-the-ordinary for him. Life-altering for her. Just another weekend for him. I believe this as well. Although his acting like he was not a drinker or trouble maker at all makes me think he may just be a liar. I had an incident in college where I was assaulted by some college athletes (division one school). I did go to the hospital and went to the police. I was humiliated and treated like I was lying and just wanted it to stop. The police told me everything that would happen if I pressed charges against the athletes (being in the paper, rumors on campus, etc). I dropped the charges. I would still see the guys around campus and they would flirt with me and act like we were “friends”. One night I went off on one of them and he was flabbergasted that I considered what happened to be assault (I think he must have thought I went to the police because my boyfriend thought I cheated on him? I’m not sure how they explained that to themselves). Anyway, clearly they had different opinions of the incident than I did. I think that probably happens quite often.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 28, 2018 21:50:54 GMT
Belly laughs I tell you! 😂😂😂
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Post by peano on Sept 28, 2018 22:00:01 GMT
Even if he doesn’t get the SC nomination (which he will because Republicans) he'll have a cushy judgeship to return to. Fighting for his life is a tad hyperbolic. No, it really isn't. In this day of newsroom shootings, Republican baseball field shootings, public harrasments that keep happening that could get out of hand and Maxine Waters encouraging nut jobs to gather a mob and confront politicians you don't agree with, it really isn't hyperbolic at all. Interesting our divergent viewpoints. Because I’m thinking it will be WAY more likely that as women continue to speak out and get all “uppity” and gain ground into positions of power, they will be the targets of violence by men who can’t tolerate the idea of equality for women. ETA: Especially since women are already vastly more likely to be the victims of violent crime.
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Post by SockMonkey on Sept 28, 2018 22:02:06 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 28, 2018 22:06:39 GMT
Anyway, clearly they had different opinions of the incident than I did. I think that probably happens quite often. Yup true......... No means yes.. Yes means A................
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Post by SockMonkey on Sept 28, 2018 22:08:01 GMT
I believe her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 22:11:50 GMT
Kavanaugh did ask for a hearing the next day.... He NEVER, to my knowledge, and I read a lot, asked for the FBI to investigate more/reopen the background investigation. When asked during sworn testimony yesterday by Sen Durbin, he sat SILENT. I listened and watched the whole thing, as well as all the special news coverage last night. You are correct; he never ONCE said anything about wanting or welcoming the FBI actually investigating further. Then I suggest you start from the very beginning of his statement. You must have missed that part of it.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 28, 2018 22:17:09 GMT
I'm having a hard time reading this. Have y'all figured out a way to view the whole thing at once? I am clicking on it, but it only brings up a section at a time, and that section doesn't always include the full question and answer.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 28, 2018 22:22:00 GMT
She wasn't badgered she was questioned, that's what happens at a hearing. If this is true, then Brett Kavanaugh was not badgered, either. Which makes his histrionics even more suspect and laughable.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 28, 2018 22:25:41 GMT
then why doesn't he want that fight to include a REAL investigation by the FBI? because he doesn't. THAT would end it once and for all. He asked for a hearing the very next day after the accusations, has said he welcomed an investigation by the FBI and now there will be one. Oh? I must have missed it when he called for the investigation. I think I was too busy paying attention to his slimy, stubborn refusal to answer in the affirmative EVERY TIME he was asked if he supported an investigation into these supposed lies.
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Post by SockMonkey on Sept 28, 2018 22:28:43 GMT
I'm having a hard time reading this. Have y'all figured out a way to view the whole thing at once? I am clicking on it, but it only brings up a section at a time, and that section doesn't always include the full question and answer. You'd have to look for a full transcript to scroll through. I think the point is the visual representation of their responses to questioning. It's obvious that she clearly answered questions, while he clearly avoided answering, and this graphic displays that.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 22:30:29 GMT
That was HILARIOUS—especially with Graham!!!
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Post by dewryce on Sept 28, 2018 22:34:41 GMT
I'm having a hard time reading this. Have y'all figured out a way to view the whole thing at once? I am clicking on it, but it only brings up a section at a time, and that section doesn't always include the full question and answer. You'd have to look for a full transcript to scroll through. I think the point is the visual representation of their responses to questioning. It's obvious that she clearly answered questions, while he clearly avoided answering, and this graphic displays that. Dang. I've got the full transcript, I just know that Vox skews pretty liberal so I wanted to be able to confirm I agreed with their assessment of what was considered answering the question and what wasn't before I passed it on. I agree it is visually powerful, though not really surprising if you watched some of the hearing or read even parts of the transcript.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 28, 2018 22:35:28 GMT
Omg that tweet/Pulp Fiction mix killed me 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 22:37:25 GMT
Thank you guys. In all these years at the pod, I don’t think I have ever went into detail about my attack. Even though the trial was 20 years ago, these hearings brought all of it back. I burst into tears listening to that woman demand Senator Flake to tell her she didn’t matter. What a DAMN POWERFUL survivor!
It took a whole lot of counseling and oddly volunteering for Rape Crisis that truly brought me some peaceful healing. I was on the Speakers Bureau for several years going to colleges and churches. Even to police departments for sensitivity training. I always told my counselor I owed her a debt I could never repay because she took broken pieces and put them back together again. I have never looked at myself as courageous, a survivor yes, but I just look at it as my walk to take and I do it one step at a time...day by day.
I have been blessed with such a supportive DH, who makes me feel SAFE. Protected and safe. I have not always felt this way as I had family members tell me to “move on” or “try to forget about it”. I was switched to a lunch hour where I ate by myself and instructed NOT to tell my coworkers at the time this happened, by my boss...who was a woman!
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Post by dewryce on Sept 28, 2018 22:38:20 GMT
Wait. This is unconfirmed information as my mom told me she saw it on a news show but hasn't gotten back to me with the source, and I can't find it online...
But she said The White House gets to determine the questions the FBI asks and then decide what information is released at the conclusion of the investigation? Please tell me she went temporarily deaf, or is overreacting and didn't understand, or the information was gleaned off from Occupy Democrats or something.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 22:43:35 GMT
I don't understand what this writer is saying. If Ford isn't lying and Kavanaugh isn't lying, then what are we supposed to think? That K was too drunk and honestly doesn't remember? I think that's exactly what is being implied - that K drank to excess and has no memory of that event. Or K's argument that it really happened to her, but it wasn't him? Given what Mark Judge has said about his own drinking and blackouts, and what some others have said about K's heavy drinking, I do think it's possible they don't have much, if any, memory about this event. Maybe they have enough to know they don't want to talk to the FBI? Maybe they know they did something, but not exactly what happened? They will likely never find out what happened between Ford and kavanaugh—it will likely always be she said/he denied. But what all the investigation will reveal is that kavanaugh most certainly lies. what we are seeing in little snippets, there ARE school chums who have said he was wasted, there are others who have certified that they too were also assaulted by him, but the main issue for being appointed as a SC judge is testament-to his character— He may well have been a big party, dead drunk high school & college kid, He may have sexually assaulted one or several women in high school & college, Just as he claims she/they are mid-remembering or confused, so may he have if he was drunk. Does this mean as a judge and his after college life that he has not been a model person, pillar of the community, highest marks, remarkable person? No. But what this week has been is that he LIED. He lied in his hearings, refused to answer questions that were a regular part of his confirmation hearings. He was protected by Republicans by them not providing documentation on kavanaugh’s tenure as a judge that was requested. He lied. And we may find out that he lied about being stupid drunk. We may find out that he did sexually assault one or more women. Because of the haste and hurry rush of the Republicans to confirm him, lots of pertinent details were hidden, obstructed, and lied about. It is 100% arrogant for kavanaugh to refuse to answer like he did, or to throw back questions instead of answering the senators. He lied. The sexual assault issue is a whole ‘nother can of worms!
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Post by tracyarts on Sept 28, 2018 22:46:02 GMT
Have not gone through all 32 pages here........but, I submit this photo
He's a bit weepy and snappish too. Maybe he needs his hormones checked. You know, getting older and all...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 22:46:18 GMT
I specially want to address those peas that keep saying BK is fighting for his life.
I was so very lucky that my attacker received a life sentence. He has gone on to commit three more sexual assaults while in prison, by the way. The truth is that he could have been given the death penalty and I would still not be made whole. He took my sense of security, the feeling of being safe in this world. No matter what debt he repays, I will NEVER get this back. NEVER! To this day, I cannot sleep in darkness. I have a very difficult time sleeping alone in the house. There were many, many years AFTER the trial that I suffered with sleeping problems because I was afraid to fall asleep.
There is simply NO WAY that you can compare...NO WAY...what Dr. Ford has suffered to what BK has. I totally acknowledge that both of their families have suffered...absolutely. But individually, those two aren’t even on the same planet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 22:51:05 GMT
I think that is what the writer is saying. And you know, I absolutely believe Dr. Ford. But, based on things I remember from turning 18 in 1980, I absolutely believe that Kavanaugh doesn't remember - a combination of too much to drink and the incident not being that out-of-the-ordinary for him. Life-altering for her. Just another weekend for him. I believe this as well. Although his acting like he was not a drinker or trouble maker at all makes me think he may just be a liar. I had an incident in college where I was assaulted by some college athletes (division one school). I did go to the hospital and went to the police. I was humiliated and treated like I was lying and just wanted it to stop. The police told me everything that would happen if I pressed charges against the athletes (being in the paper, rumors on campus, etc). I dropped the charges. I would still see the guys around campus and they would flirt with me and act like we were “friends”. One night I went off on one of them and he was flabbergasted that I considered what happened to be assault (I think he must have thought I went to the police because my boyfriend thought I cheated on him? I’m not sure how they explained that to themselves). Anyway, clearly they had different opinions of the incident than I did. I think that probably happens quite often. I am so sorry. ((((Hugs))))
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 28, 2018 22:51:19 GMT
This picture actually gives me a bit of hope. The conflict on Flake's face is so apparent.
Here's a politician who is at least listening to his conscience.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Sept 28, 2018 22:52:16 GMT
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 23:04:43 GMT
I think that's exactly what is being implied - that K drank to excess and has no memory of that event. Or K's argument that it really happened to her, but it wasn't him? Given what Mark Judge has said about his own drinking and blackouts, and what some others have said about K's heavy drinking, I do think it's possible they don't have much, if any, memory about this event. Maybe they have enough to know they don't want to talk to the FBI? Maybe they know they did something, but not exactly what happened? They will likely never find out what happened between Ford and kavanaugh—it will likely always be she said/he denied. But what all the investigation will reveal is that kavanaugh most certainly lies. what we are seeing in little snippets, there ARE school chums who have said he was wasted, there are others who have certified that they too were also assaulted by him, but the main issue for being appointed as a SC judge is testament-to his character— He may well have been a big party, dead drunk high school & college kid, He may have sexually assaulted one or several women in high school & college, Just as he claims she/they are mid-remembering or confused, so may he have if he was drunk. Does this mean as a judge and his after college life that he has not been a model person, pillar of the community, highest marks, remarkable person? No. But what this week has been is that he LIED. He lied in his hearings, refused to answer questions that were a regular part of his confirmation hearings. He was protected by Republicans by them not providing documentation on kavanaugh’s tenure as a judge that was requested. He lied. And we may find out that he lied about being stupid drunk. We may find out that he did sexually assault one or more women. Because of the haste and hurry rush of the Republicans to confirm him, lots of pertinent details were hidden, obstructed, and lied about. It is 100% arrogant for kavanaugh to refuse to answer like he did, or to throw back questions instead of answering the senators. He lied. The sexual assault issue is a whole ‘nother can of worms! This. Totally this!
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 23:04:54 GMT
I think that's exactly what is being implied - that K drank to excess and has no memory of that event. Or K's argument that it really happened to her, but it wasn't him? Given what Mark Judge has said about his own drinking and blackouts, and what some others have said about K's heavy drinking, I do think it's possible they don't have much, if any, memory about this event. Maybe they have enough to know they don't want to talk to the FBI? Maybe they know they did something, but not exactly what happened? They will likely never find out what happened between Ford and kavanaugh—it will likely always be she said/he denied. But what all the investigation will reveal is that kavanaugh most certainly lies. what we are seeing in little snippets, there ARE school chums who have said he was wasted, there are others who have certified that they too were also assaulted by him, but the main issue for being appointed as a SC judge is testament-to his character— He may well have been a big party, dead drunk high school & college kid, He may have sexually assaulted one or several women in high school & college, Just as he claims she/they are mid-remembering or confused, so may he have if he was drunk. Does this mean as a judge and his after college life that he has not been a model person, pillar of the community, highest marks, remarkable person? No. But what this week has been is that he LIED. He lied in his hearings, refused to answer questions that were a regular part of his confirmation hearings. He was protected by Republicans by them not providing documentation on kavanaugh’s tenure as a judge that was requested. He lied. And we may find out that he lied about being stupid drunk. We may find out that he did sexually assault one or more women. Because of the haste and hurry rush of the Republicans to confirm him, lots of pertinent details were hidden, obstructed, and lied about. It is 100% arrogant for kavanaugh to refuse to answer like he did, or to throw back questions instead of answering the senators. He lied. The sexual assault issue is a whole ‘nother can of worms! This. Totally this!
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Post by RosieKat on Sept 28, 2018 23:13:44 GMT
I saw this on fb and it was posted by a professor from Stanford I believe....maybe the senate should show this to the gop. Guys ask why women are so pissed off. Even guys with wives and daughters. Jackson Katz, a prominent social researcher, illustrates why. He's done it with hundreds of audiences: "I draw a line down the middle of a chalkboard, sketching a male symbol on one side and a female symbol on the other. Then I ask just the men: What steps do you guys take, on a daily basis, to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? At first there is a kind of awkward silence as the men try to figure out if they've been asked a trick question. The silence gives way to a smattering of nervous laughter. Occasionally, a young a guy will raise his hand and say, 'I stay out of prison.' This is typically followed by another moment of laughter, before someone finally raises his hand and soberly states, 'Nothing. I don't think about it.' Then I ask the women the same question. What steps do you take on a daily basis to prevent yourselves from being sexually assaulted? Women throughout the audience immediately start raising their hands. As the men sit in stunned silence, the women recount safety precautions they take as part of their daily routine. Hold my keys as a potential weapon. Look in the back seat of the car before getting in. Carry a cell phone. Don't go jogging at night. Lock all the windows when I sleep, even on hot summer nights. Be careful not to drink too much. Don't put my drink down and come back to it; make sure I see it being poured. Own a big dog. Carry Mace or pepper spray. Have an unlisted phone number. Have a man's voice on my answering machine. Park in well-lit areas. Don't use parking garages. Don't get on elevators with only one man, or with a group of men. Vary my route home from work. Watch what I wear. Don't use highway rest areas. Use a home alarm system. Don't wear headphones when jogging. Avoid forests or wooded areas, even in the daytime. Don't take a first-floor apartment. Go out in groups. Own a firearm. Meet men on first dates in public places. Make sure to have a car or cab fare. Don't make eye contact with men on the street. Make assertive eye contact with men on the street.” "Don't dress too sexy" "Don't smile at strangers" ― Jackson Katz, The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help (The first man to minor in women's studies at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, holds a master's degree from the Harvard Graduate School of Education, and a Ph.D. in cultural studies and education from UCLA.) I just shared this with my husband. Last week, there was a parents' meeting that we were all leaving around 9 p.m. We were at a poorly lit location that isn't on a main road. One of the moms couldn't get her car started. My husband and the two (male) coaches were working together to try to get her jump started. She is new, so had never even met the coaches, much less my husband. My husband and I had driven separately, so he wanted me to take our son home. He didn't understand why I didn't leave, and I was trying to explain to him that even though I know and trust all 3 men involved, there was no way I was going to leave another woman in the uncomfortable situation of being stranded in a dark parking lot, alone with 3 men she doesn't know. He was somewhat flabbergasted, because the thought would never have crossed his mind. We've had about 3 conversations about it in the week since, just him truly trying to wrap his mind around it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 23:19:50 GMT
Just T I hope you have some time this weekend to be good to yourself and recharge. My heart is with you and the other peas here that have had to deal with the horrors of sexual assault and abuse. This hearing has been nothing but salt in old wounds. Yesterday was a roller coaster of emotions. My trial was in 1997 and in an instant watching her testify brought so many feelings and memories crashing on me like a wave. I would imagine untold thousands of women felt that same way. My attacker was a serial rapist who stalked me and broke into my apartment. I woke up to him standing over me and then he put a knife to my throat. He put a pillowcase over my head so that I could not see and at one point I very nearly suffocated. I truly thought I would die. It took two years to catch him. I spent MANY hours sitting and waiting to speak with investigators and countless phone calls to make sure my file stayed hot. He was caught coming out of an apartment complex after a woman called 911 that he had just attacked. He had a “rape kit” in his car...specific items he used in his attacks. Three weeks after his arrest, I identified him. My attack wa in 1992. He was arrested in 1994. The trial......wait for it....did not happen until 1997! He was allowed to walk free (made bail) the entire time. The man was married...with children...AND he was a middle school teacher. I am pretty certain he was allowed to maintain his job because while he had been charged, he had not been convicted. The trial lasted three weeks. He was free to walk in and out of the court each day. There were several charges against him, he was only found guilty of two. But the main one put him away for life...1st degree sexual assault. He attacked four other women that we know of. He got progressively more violent with each attack. Made the victims shower and the last two he beat so violently that they refused to testify. The second victim had been drinking the night before and the jury was not allowed to know that he had already been convicted in my case. They were not allowed to know that there were 22 points of similarities in her attack as mine, because he said very specific things to each of his victims. He was found not guilty. I will NEVER EVER forget in my whole life how she collapsed when the verdict was read. Feels a lot like it does today watching these hearings. This is SOOOOOOO much more than DAMN politics! It is about justice. Justice for so many who were not able to have that closure. The TRUTH is that these allegations were not investigated. I bore the brunt of the investigations of my attack. I had to go to the county jail to have a rape kit done. It was not done at the hospital. So much intrusion into MY life yet it was him that broke into MY apartment. During the trial, I was told because it was dark I couldn’t possibly have seen him well. Another point was that it was consensual. And again, I simply had the wrong guy. But what my attacker did not realize, he had left a small drop of his DNA at the scene. My attack, out of all others was the only one that had DNA evidence. I ran into a juror of that trial some months later, coming out of a grocery store. She told me everything that happened in the jury room, how one women did not want to convict him. But all the other jurors believed he had done it and did not give up until they convinced her as well. She told me it was because of you...everything you said on the stand. We BELIEVED you. I can only hope that Dr. Ford knows and feels....we BELIEVE her. I am dying inside for you. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Post by flute4peace on Sept 28, 2018 23:20:48 GMT
This picture actually gives me a bit of hope. The conflict on Flake's face is so apparent.
Here's a politician who is at least listening to his conscience.
Jeffrey Toobin had high praise for him tonight. Said he had completely changed his opinion on him.
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 28, 2018 23:20:55 GMT
Wait. This is unconfirmed information as my mom told me she saw it on a news show but hasn't gotten back to me with the source, and I can't find it online... But she said The White House gets to determine the questions the FBI asks and then decide what information is released at the conclusion of the investigation? Please tell me she went temporarily deaf, or is overreacting and didn't understand, or the information was gleaned off from Occupy Democrats or something. What? No! Check back with Mom and come back here and let us know what's what, ok?
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Post by dewryce on Sept 28, 2018 23:26:53 GMT
Wait. This is unconfirmed information as my mom told me she saw it on a news show but hasn't gotten back to me with the source, and I can't find it online... But she said The White House gets to determine the questions the FBI asks and then decide what information is released at the conclusion of the investigation? Please tell me she went temporarily deaf, or is overreacting and didn't understand, or the information was gleaned off from Occupy Democrats or something. What? No! Check back with Mom and come back here and let us know what's what, ok? She said CNN, and so far the only thing I've found on the site is this, which is not anything like what she heard. Which makes tons more sense. I don't trust The WH occupants as far as I can throw them, but they didn't make up these rules so they seemed...shocking, to say the least. I am trying to read other articles but the site keeps reloading itself. One of the reasons I rarely use them as a source, cause I can't get the dang site to load! The Show she was watching was on between 4-6cst. I plan on checking that out next. Even though I detest watching the news shows. Did anyone happen to catch it and can save me from the agony? It was The Situation Room best I can tell. ETA: One thing I did notice was a short article that said Judge was willing to cooperate with any investigations according to his lawyer.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 28, 2018 23:27:05 GMT
He asked for a hearing the very next day after the accusations, has said he welcomed an investigation by the FBI and now there will be one. Oh? I must have missed it when he called for the investigation. I think I was too busy paying attention to his slimy, stubborn refusal to answer in the affirmative EVERY TIME he was asked if he supported an investigation into these supposed lies. It’s amazing—the blind followers of the Republicans—-they truly live in an alternate reality!!
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