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Post by dewryce on Oct 1, 2018 14:03:54 GMT
I heard a clip this morning with comments Senators had made regarding why they don't believe Dr. Ford. One person said her testimony can't be believed when she can't remember other details such as how she got home that night. I went to Peru 10 years ago and recently read on a facebook group someone ask how to get to Machu Picchu and someone said train + bus. I remember taking the train only because there were dancers on the train who wore scary masks. I have no recollection of taking a bus afterwards. I wasn't drunk. I only remember the ride to the airport in Lima because my friend asked me to pay her parents $50 for gas. But I don't remember them picking us up at the airport when we arrived or sitting next to my friend on the plane. I have lots of memories of what I saw and experienced in Peru, but these minor details of how I got from point A to B I don't remember. So I can imagine a woman who was attacked 35 years ago, is not going to remember minor details that happened afterwards of how she got home. If they had listened to her testimony, read anything on the subject or spoke to an expert they would know that's exactly how memory works. They are looking for a reason they can use to publicly justify their position in light of her very credible testimony and his...not so credible. They had no intention of voting "no" to begin with. Unless she produced video or a little blue dress, there was no chance most of those votes would change. Now they just have to make it palatable.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 1, 2018 14:18:47 GMT
Thanks. This demand for sharing the burden of or being equally responsible for what’s ailing the country is tiresome. What’s happening today with Kavanaugh is Trumpism writ large to satisfy the MINORITY in this country. Screw this “respect the process” nonsense. The Repubs shredded the process and Dems are supposed to respect it?! Turn the other cheek so they can be slapped some more? Hell, no.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 1, 2018 14:24:08 GMT
It doesn’t matter that there are dozens of jurists of better temperament and morals than Kavanaugh. The reason Trump chose him and refuses to withdraw his nomination is simply because Kavanaugh believes a sitting president should not be indicted or prosecuted. Kavanaugh will be his bro in the SC. Trump will stick by him especially now that Cohen and Manafort are spilling their guts to Mueller. The mere fact that Kavanaugh dodged Feinstein’s question as to whether a president has to respond to a subpoena is enough to cement Trump’s loyalty. It’s the Faustian bargain of quid pro quo. It really is that simple.
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Post by cade387 on Oct 1, 2018 14:53:30 GMT
Because I needed a smile today - and maybe this will make you smile too.
A comment from Facebook (not mine)
“I never get hired at the job interviews where I cry and tell them how much I love drinking beer.”
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Post by gardengoddess on Oct 1, 2018 15:22:46 GMT
I've quite enjoyed the look and reaction of people's faces whom I've talked to about this when they start that nonsense "But, she waited 35 years to come forward" and I respond with "Do you think the same thing of men who have come forwarded 30, 40, 50 years after being fucked by their priest?" The sputtering then commences.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 16:35:18 GMT
Fun little number from Sam Stein....
“Q poll on Kavanaugh today
48% NOT confirm 42% confirm
Last September survey was 42% NOT confirm 41% confirm”
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Post by cbet on Oct 1, 2018 17:25:12 GMT
I've quite enjoyed the look and reaction of people's faces whom I've talked to about this when they start that nonsense "But, she waited 35 years to come forward" and I respond with "Do you think the same thing of men who have come forwarded 30, 40, 50 years after being fucked by their priest?" The sputtering then commences. What pisses me off about this - in 1982, if she had come forward with this, the police (and possibly even her parents) would more than likely have told her that she was lucky it didn't go further than it did and that she had no business going to a drinking party in the first place. And back at school, he'd have gotten all the sympathy for being accused, and her reputation would have been trashed. I was going to say it was a different world then, but apparently not so much . . .
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Post by hop2 on Oct 1, 2018 17:27:24 GMT
Excerpt from above posted article. Clinton was not unjustly impeached over a consensual affair, he was impeached for lying to a grand jury and obstruction of justice. If the person that wrote the article couldn't get that right it gives pause to the accuracy of the rest of it. but it’s ok to have a Supreme Court Justice who has lied under oath?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 17:30:46 GMT
Because I needed a smile today - and maybe this will make you smile too. A comment from Facebook (not mine) “I never get hired at the job interviews where I cry and tell them how much I love drinking beer.” How many "job interviews" have you had where they accuse you of attempted rape, cause your family to be threatened with death, get smeared in the press, declare your guilt without due process and make people think of you as a potential pedophile.
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Post by gardengoddess on Oct 1, 2018 17:36:33 GMT
Because I needed a smile today - and maybe this will make you smile too. A comment from Facebook (not mine) “I never get hired at the job interviews where I cry and tell them how much I love drinking beer.” How many "job interviews" have you had where they accuse you of attempted rape, cause your family to be threatened with death, get smeared in the press, declare your guilt without due process and make people think of you as a potential pedophile. Probably none, because had an employer known about your drinking, your lying and an alleged sexual assault, you wouldn't even get that interview.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 17:41:12 GMT
How many "job interviews" have you had where they accuse you of attempted rape, cause your family to be threatened with death, get smeared in the press, declare your guilt without due process and make people think of you as a potential pedophile. Probably none, because had an employer known about your drinking, your lying and an alleged sexual assault, you wouldn't even get that interview. Exactly, because it was at a hearing about the accusations that he got emotional -not at a job interview.
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Post by cade387 on Oct 1, 2018 17:54:41 GMT
Probably none, because had an employer known about your drinking, your lying and an alleged sexual assault, you wouldn't even get that interview. Exactly, because it was at a hearing about the accusations that he got emotional -not at a job interview. A confirmation hearing is a job interview for SCOTUS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 17:59:11 GMT
Probably none, because had an employer known about your drinking, your lying and an alleged sexual assault, you wouldn't even get that interview. Exactly, because it was at a hearing about the accusations that he got emotional -not at a job interview. It’s because of how he responded shows he does not meet the American Bar Association’s code of conduct. And why he should not be confirmed.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 1, 2018 18:28:32 GMT
Just the way he spoke and disrespected female senators spoke volumes to me.
I read that there's NEVER been a GOP female on the Senate judiciary committee. Damn that's pathetic.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2018 18:31:24 GMT
The reason Trump chose him and refuses to withdraw his nomination is simply because Kavanaugh believes a sitting president should not be indicted or prosecuted. Kavanaugh will be his bro in the SC. Trump will stick by him especially now that Cohen and Manafort are spilling their guts to Mueller. The mere fact that Kavanaugh dodged Feinstein’s question as to whether a president has to respond to a subpoena is enough to cement Trump’s loyalty. I've quite enjoyed the look and reaction of people's faces whom I've talked to about this when they start that nonsense "But, she waited 35 years to come forward" and I respond with "Do you think the same thing of men who have come forwarded 30, 40, 50 years after being fucked by their priest?" The sputtering then commences. Excellent comparison! What pisses me off about this - in 1982, if she had come forward with this, the police (and possibly even her parents) would more than likely have told her that she was lucky it didn't go further than it did and that she had no business going to a drinking party in the first place. And back at school, he'd have gotten all the sympathy for being accused, and her reputation would have been trashed. I was going to say it was a different world then, but apparently not so much . . . It does seem that not much has changed! Probably none, because had an employer known about your drinking, your lying and an alleged sexual assault, you wouldn't even get that interview. SO very true! I forgot to comment on the first one... Yes I have said all along that dt is hiring his protector!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 18:42:13 GMT
Because I needed a smile today - and maybe this will make you smile too. A comment from Facebook (not mine) “I never get hired at the job interviews where I cry and tell them how much I love drinking beer.” How many "job interviews" have you had where they accuse you of attempted rape, cause your family to be threatened with death, get smeared in the press, declare your guilt without due process and make people think of you as a potential pedophile. Can I ask you something in all sincerity ricky? You have been respectful to me and I am asking you this to have a dialogue between me and you. Do you believe Dr. Ford was assaulted? If you don’t, I respect that is your opinion. I can move on from that. But if you believe her...then why is it a stretch to believe she remembers with clarity that it was Brett? Much like Ford, I waited in a closet (I should share an incredible power of prayer about this) listening for the attacker to leave. I have very little recollection of how I got out of the apartment. Evidently I went to the neighbors and called the police. But before I called the police, I called my aunt that raised me. I must have told her someone just attacked me and she told me to hang up and call 911. I have no memory of making these calls. I was shocked my aunt showed up a few minutes after the police until she grabbed me and told me that I had called her. My attack happened in May of 1992 and I can still very clearly see his face. A face that I saw for a split second before he punched me in the cheek and put a pillowcase over my head. There are certain smells and sounds that will immediately remind me of that horrific time. I am open to the FBI findings, as long as they are fair and impartial. Can you be?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 1, 2018 19:07:27 GMT
Probably none, because had an employer known about your drinking, your lying and an alleged sexual assault, you wouldn't even get that interview. Exactly, because it was at a hearing about the accusations that he got emotional -not at a job interview. All in the process as part of his job interview. Once again troll, context matters. You cannot cherry pick parts of the process, it was ALL part of the hiring process for him.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 1, 2018 19:30:18 GMT
I wonder if those defending or supporting kavanaugh feel the same way about the women/girls of those who accused:
Bill Cosby Bill Clinton Howard Weinstein Dr. Nassau (gymnastics/Olympian’s)
Or the young boys from the Penn State scandal.
Their memories were foggy, in some instances drugs/alcohol were in use, most did not tell anyone right away either.
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Post by gardengoddess on Oct 1, 2018 19:46:40 GMT
Probably none, because had an employer known about your drinking, your lying and an alleged sexual assault, you wouldn't even get that interview. Exactly, because it was at a hearing about the accusations that he got emotional -not at a job interview. A hearing within the Judiciary for a confirmation is a job interview. You can continue to deny it, but it just makes you look foolish.
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Post by imsirius on Oct 1, 2018 19:58:05 GMT
How many "job interviews" have you had where they accuse you of attempted rape, cause your family to be threatened with death, get smeared in the press, declare your guilt without due process and make people think of you as a potential pedophile. Can I ask you something in all sincerity ricky? You have been respectful to me and I am asking you this to have a dialogue between me and you. Do you believe Dr. Ford was assaulted? If you don’t, I respect that is your opinion. I can move on from that. But if you believe her...then why is it a stretch to believe she remembers with clarity that it was Brett? Much like Ford, I waited in a closet (I should share an incredible power of prayer about this) listening for the attacker to leave. I have very little recollection of how I got out of the apartment. Evidently I went to the neighbors and called the police. But before I called the police, I called my aunt that raised me. I must have told her someone just attacked me and she told me to hang up and call 911. I have no memory of making these calls. I was shocked my aunt showed up a few minutes after the police until she grabbed me and told me that I had called her. My attack happened in May of 1992 and I can still very clearly see his face. A face that I saw for a split second before he punched me in the cheek and put a pillowcase over my head. There are certain smells and sounds that will immediately remind me of that horrific time. I am open to the FBI findings, as long as they are fair and impartial. Can you be? You are a strong woman allipeas and I admire you more than words can say. You are my hero. ❤️❤️❤️
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Post by dewryce on Oct 1, 2018 20:26:09 GMT
Just the way he spoke and disrespected female senators spoke volumes to me. I read that there's NEVER been a GOP female on the Senate judiciary committee. Dann that's pathetic. There are only, what, 6 or 7 women GOP Senators? Out of 51. But I'm sure that's a coincidence or only because the men were the best qualified for their jobs and it doesn't reflect on the party...either the politicians or those that vote for for them. eta: I checked, it is 6.
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Post by PLurker on Oct 1, 2018 20:32:30 GMT
Just the way he spoke and disrespected female senators spoke volumes to me. I read that there's NEVER been a GOP female on the Senate judiciary committee. Dann that's pathetic. There are only, what, 6 or 7 women GOP Senators? Out of 51. But I'm sure that's a coincidence or only because the men were the best qualified for their jobs and it doesn't reflect on the party...either the politicians or those that vote for for them. eta: I checked, it is 6. Diversity in Congress: Democrats have women and minorities, Republicans have white men over 55?
spoiler alert: Mostly True
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 20:35:14 GMT
imsirius Thank you but the real heros are Dr. Ford and the two ladies who stopped Flake in the elevator. Putting everything on the line in front of the world. I am in awe of their courage. We are all linked together. I can only hope it has not been in vain.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 1, 2018 22:07:09 GMT
imsirius Thank you but the real heros are Dr. Ford and the two ladies who stopped Flake in the elevator. Putting everything on the line in front of the world. I am in awe of their courage. We are all linked together. I can only hope it has not been in vain. I appreciate and respect your opinion but I will say I disagree with you. It is going to take all of us to fight this. People often disregard things they see in the media as something that happens to "other people," but learning of an assault on a women they know personally makes a great impact. Countless different layers of support and change are needed and I don't think one is necessarily more important than the next.
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Post by Merge on Oct 1, 2018 22:22:48 GMT
Because I needed a smile today - and maybe this will make you smile too. A comment from Facebook (not mine) “I never get hired at the job interviews where I cry and tell them how much I love drinking beer.” How many "job interviews" have you had where they accuse you of attempted rape, cause your family to be threatened with death, get smeared in the press, declare your guilt without due process and make people think of you as a potential pedophile. I remember a woman who sat calmly, and answered questions thoroughly and thoughtfully, during an 11-hour ordeal in which several people accused her of murdering servicemen overseas. I remember a woman who didn't flinch when a political opponent threatened to jail her without due process on live television, who had to listen to that opponent accusing her of multiple crimes in his rallies and leading the chant to "lock her up," and who had been accused in the media of running a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor. I remember when she got a little heated in a speech and referred to some of the people supporting her opponent as 'deplorables,' and the right lost its collective mind. Can you imagine if she had thrown a tantrum like Kavanaugh did during the Benghazi hearings or at any time before or afterward? I'm guessing you wouldn't have excused it away, oh poor Hillary, as you're doing with him. Maybe examine why that is.
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 1, 2018 22:43:44 GMT
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Post by Just T on Oct 1, 2018 22:52:53 GMT
So, he was "rallying his troops" before Ramirez's accusation was even made public. Yeah, that's not odd! He must have known after Ford made her accusation that there might be others to follow.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 1, 2018 22:57:46 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 1, 2018 23:04:01 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 1, 2018 23:06:29 GMT
I'm still on page 6, when he's first denying that he knows Julie Swetnik. The only thing that comes to mind is "perhaps he doth protest too much!' with this whole thing... "no, I don't know her. She's lying- I wasn't even AT those parties! She supposedly went to Gaithersburg High School; I didn't even hang OUT with them! This... this is a joke! Give me a break! this is a farce!"All this when they're only asking him Yes or No questions. THAT'S not going to raise suspicions, at all. ETA: a couple of the questions are 'did you ever make statements to demean women' and 'did you ever make statements meant to humiliate women' at those parties. And he answers No. Come on!! What high school boy (in the 1980s) DIDN'T make at least SOME statements like that during their teenage years?!? He was really pushing the a choir boy image, wasn't he?? ETA2: his 6 background checks only went back to 1993... Now THAT'S interesting. "the FBI has conducted six full field background investigations going back 25 years to 1993." So he could very well have cleaned up his act when he KNEW the FBI would be looking at him...
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