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Post by lizacreates on Oct 4, 2018 0:49:15 GMT
From Bloomberg: A tentative plan for viewing the report is that a single copy will be available in a secure room for senators to view starting Thursday morning, at one-hour intervals alternating between Republicans and Democrats, according to a person briefed on the matter.It wasn’t immediately clear whether the Federal Bureau of Investigation was trying to force the issue and seek explicit approval from the White House to interview Ford and Kavanaugh. And it wasn’t clear why the FBI hasn’t yet talked to other people who have been recommended by lawyers or who have voluntarily come forward -- or if the bureau would need explicit approval to talk with them as well. ** Senator Dianne Feinstein, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, said in a statement Wednesday that the lack of interviews with Ford, Kavanaugh and others “raises serious concerns that this is not a credible investigation and begs the question: What other restrictions has the White House placed on the FBI?” The FBI declined to comment on the investigation or its timing. ********************** Think about that.......... ONE hour rotating.. There are 100 Senators. Going round the clock that is 100 hours............ HOW can they vote on Friday?!?!?!?!?!?! When someone has a very serious decision to make, me in particular, I like to discuss it with another. How many people here say help me decide, bounce things off one another. One party at a time, one hour each party. Not one hour per senator. However, still truly bizarre because each senator will only have a little over a minute to read it? Why not make several copies?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 0:55:12 GMT
One party at a time, one hour each party. Not one hour per senator. However, still truly bizarre because each senator will only have a little over a minute to read it? Why not make several copies? Thanks, they just said that on CNN. Nobody ever said I was bright................. ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/rolleyes.jpg.gif)
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 4, 2018 1:19:53 GMT
Even without the FBI “investigation “ the senators have ears and heard all the lies that Kavanaugh told during the hearing.
They know as well as we do that he lied about the drinking age and his definitions of what the words meant. Granted, they may not know the definition of Devils Triangle, but the fact that he lied under oath about the drinking age amongst other things should be enough to sway Flake and the Alaskan senator whose name currently escapes me, right?
God, this is just ridiculous that this is even an issue. He should never be confirmed based on his testimony and attitude during questioning.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 4, 2018 1:33:10 GMT
One party at a time, one hour each party. Not one hour per senator. However, still truly bizarre because each senator will only have a little over a minute to read it? Why not make several copies? Thanks, they just said that on CNN. Nobody ever said I was bright................. ![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r481/2peasrefugees/Smilies/rolleyes.jpg.gif) Oh, come on now. I think you’re bright AND kind. I found a clarification on this strange set-up. Apparently, back in 2009 both Repubs and Dems had a memo of understanding that any FBI background check will be handled in this manner – one copy in a secure room, with the copy locked in a safe in the committee’s office unless being viewed, and not declassified for the public. Kennedy(R) said he hopes it’ll be made public due to unusual circumstance and senators will leak the portions that will advance their positions. (Yeah, there will be leaks for sure so they might as well tell us what's in it.)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 1:52:41 GMT
Kennedy(R) said he hopes it’ll be made public due to unusual circumstance and senators will leak the portions that will advance their positions. (Yeah, there will be leaks for sure so they might as well tell us what's in it.) Hate to say he is right, but he is! Thanks, I'm bright enough, just so very tired of this whole mess. It needs to be straightened out or at least on the way so I have hope that my grandsons will be ok... They don't have their dad to be there to guide them.
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Post by megop on Oct 4, 2018 2:02:57 GMT
AP Twitter says McConnell filed cloture. Not shocking.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 2:05:36 GMT
FBI report is at the WH. Will be delivered to the SJC tonight. per MSNBC.
The WH has dictated who could be interviewed and stated who could not be. Full out whitewash!! Forgone conclusion.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 4, 2018 2:19:48 GMT
AP Twitter says McConnell filed cloture. Not shocking. So that'll mean full senate voting will be Saturday (?)
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Post by megop on Oct 4, 2018 2:24:22 GMT
AP Twitter says McConnell filed cloture. Not shocking. So that'll mean full senate voting will be Saturday (?) That's what I'm reading so far. 30 hours after cloture vote that should be active 1 hour after session opening on Friday.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 4, 2018 2:38:48 GMT
So that'll mean full senate voting will be Saturday (?) That's what I'm reading so far. 30 hours after cloture vote that should be active 1 hour after session opening on Friday. Evening. Do they vote on Saturday evenings? No, wait...let me count. Motion this eve; 48 hours later would be Friday eve for cloture vote & invoke; start 30 hours debate would take it all the way to Sat eve. Full vote Sat eve. Sound right? (What the heck, I’ll just have to clear my calendar on Saturday)
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Post by megop on Oct 4, 2018 2:48:30 GMT
That's what I'm reading so far. 30 hours after cloture vote that should be active 1 hour after session opening on Friday. Evening. Do they vote on Saturday evenings? No, wait...let me count. Motion this eve; 48 hours later would be Friday eve for cloture vote & invoke; start 30 hours debate would take it all the way to Sat eve. Full vote Sat eve. Sound right? (What the heck, I’ll just have to clear my calendar on Saturday) According to the link below from Congressional Research, cloture filed today, would be voted on 1 hour after session convenes Friday morning. I think session begins like 9-11 a.m., but not sure. So one hour after that, the cloture vote would occur, then the 30 hour countdown to confirmation vote begins. link
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 4, 2018 2:52:12 GMT
Evening. Do they vote on Saturday evenings? No, wait...let me count. Motion this eve; 48 hours later would be Friday eve for cloture vote & invoke; start 30 hours debate would take it all the way to Sat eve. Full vote Sat eve. Sound right? (What the heck, I’ll just have to clear my calendar on Saturday) According to the link below from Congressional Research, cloture filed today, would be voted on 1 hour after session convenes Friday morning. I think session begins like 9-11 a.m., but not sure. So one hour after that cloture vote, the 30 hour countdown. linkOh, I see. So they won't wait a full two days. Ok, thanks.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 4, 2018 3:05:45 GMT
Wait. What? I have been driving and at a basketball game all afternoon/evening and perhaps I just had a stroke. They definitely did not interview Ford or Kavanagh? I just...I shouldn't be surprised but I am absolutely gobsmacked right now. How is this considered an investigation about sexual assault against Kavanaigh if neither he or the women that accused him were interviewed? How are Republicans spinning this?
Honestly, is this just a big Fuck You to Democrats and the whole process? All they needed was a very basic investigation to be able to say they found no hard evidence and that would have been enough to make it palatable for the swing voters to vote "Yes." They did their duty blah blah blah. This makes no sense.
Also, what were they afraid would come out if Kavanaugh and his accusers were interviewed? What are they hiding? It just makes him look guilty.
Seriously stunned right now.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 3:06:27 GMT
I guess he has read the report and knows the answer, or the WH told him.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 3:09:46 GMT
Wait. What? I have been driving and at a basketball game all afternoon/evening and perhaps I just had a stroke. They definitely did not interview Ford or Kavanagh? I just...I shouldn't be surprised but I am absolutely gobsmacked right now. How is this considered an investigation about sexual assault against Kavanaigh if neither he or the women that accused him were interviewed? How are Republicans spinning this? Honestly, is this just a big Fuck You to Democrats and the whole process? All they needed was a very basic investigation to be able to say they found no hard evidence and that would have been enough to make it palatable for the swing voters to vote "Yes." They did their duty blah blah blah. This makes no sense. Also, what were they afraid would come out if Kavanaugh and his accusers were interviewed? What are they hiding? It just makes him look guilty. Seriously stunned right now. They just don't care.............. Only interviewed 6 before today and supposedly interviewed a few today and they are done. The FBI should be ashamed as should the WH! Seems dt will own all three branches. And I mean OWN!
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Post by dewryce on Oct 4, 2018 3:17:32 GMT
revirdsuba99 I agree about the White House, but not the FBI. I'll add GOP to your "they should be ashamed" list. Everything I've read before today has said that the White House controls what the FBI investigates so they are just following orders. I'm still just in a state of shock.
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Post by elaine on Oct 4, 2018 3:23:58 GMT
Wait. What? I have been driving and at a basketball game all afternoon/evening and perhaps I just had a stroke. They definitely did not interview Ford or Kavanagh? I just...I shouldn't be surprised but I am absolutely gobsmacked right now. How is this considered an investigation about sexual assault against Kavanaigh if neither he or the women that accused him were interviewed? How are Republicans spinning this? Honestly, is this just a big Fuck You to Democrats and the whole process? All they needed was a very basic investigation to be able to say they found no hard evidence and that would have been enough to make it palatable for the swing voters to vote "Yes." They did their duty blah blah blah. This makes no sense. Also, what were they afraid would come out if Kavanaugh and his accusers were interviewed? What are they hiding? It just makes him look guilty. Seriously stunned right now. They just don't care.............. Only interviewed 6 before today and supposedly interviewed a few today and they are done. The FBI should be ashamed as should the WH! Seems dt will own all three branches. And I mean OWN! Yes. PWN. Sad times in the USA. and if the GOP doesn’t think that this will end up biting them in the ass, they are sorely mistaken. There will be no tears, no regrets, no holding back, and no apologies when all is said and done. The Lindsey Grahams, Orin Hatchs and Mitch McConnells are sowing what the women of America will reap. Mark my words.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 3:35:05 GMT
Sad times in the USA. and if the GOP doesn’t think that this will end up biting them in the ass, they are sorely mistaken. There will be no tears, no regrets, no holding back, and no apologies when all is said and done. The Lindsey Grahams, Orin Hatchs and Mitch McConnells are sowing what the women of America will reap. Mark my words. Trouble is that there may be nothing left. I will probably not live to see it if it is ok.................
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 3:35:59 GMT
They are also his puppet!
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Post by elaine on Oct 4, 2018 3:39:18 GMT
Sad times in the USA. and if the GOP doesn’t think that this will end up biting them in the ass, they are sorely mistaken. There will be no tears, no regrets, no holding back, and no apologies when all is said and done. The Lindsey Grahams, Orin Hatchs and Mitch McConnells are sowing what the women of America will reap. Mark my words. Trouble is that there may be nothing left. I will probably not live to see it if it is ok................. Seriously, I have cancer and I swear it will happen in my lifetime. My anger about what the GOP is doing to our country knows no limits. It will happen while I am breathing and I will have a say.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 4, 2018 4:05:18 GMT
Yale roommate says Kavanaugh lied under oath about drinking and yearbook
Washington (CNN) — James Roche, one of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's freshman year roommates at Yale, said Wednesday that Kavanaugh lied under oath about his drinking and about the meaning of his yearbook entries.
In an op-ed for Slate, Roche writes, "Brett Kavanaugh stood up under oath and lied about his drinking and about the meaning of words in his yearbook. He did so baldly, without hesitation or reservation."
"In his words and his behavior, Judge Kavanaugh has shown contempt for the truth, for the process, for the rule of law, and for accountability," Roche added. "His willingness to lie to avoid embarrassment throws doubt on his denials about the larger questions of sexual assault."
Kavanaugh testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee that he has never been blackout drunk. He was appearing before senators to answer an accusation from California professor Christine Blasey Ford that he sexually assaulted her when they were both in high school in the early 1980s. Kavanaugh denies the allegation and says he has no memory of the party where Ford says the incident happened.
Roche says he believes his friend Deborah Ramirez, who has accused Kavanaugh of exposing himself to her at a college dorm party.
He told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Wednesday night that "there is zero chance that she is making up this story."
Kavanaugh has denied Ramirez's allegation. CNN has reached out to the White House for reaction to Roche's comments.
Roche told CNN, "I saw him both what I would consider blackout drunk and also dealing with the repercussions of that in the morning."
"I didn't socialize with Brett," Roche said. "He would come home and he was incoherent, stumbling, he would sometimes be singing, he occasionally would wear this -- I think it was an old leather football helmet -- and he would throw up, and then in the morning would have a lot of trouble getting out of bed."
Roche added, "I wasn't an angel back then, either. There were times when I did the exact same thing."
He told CNN he has not been contacted by the FBI about Kavanaugh.
Roche writes in the Slate op-ed he is willing to speak to the FBI about his experiences with Kavanaugh and Ramirez. The FBI has been conducting a supplemental background investigation into the nominee after Kavanaugh and Ford testified before the Judiciary Committee.
Roche writes he does not know if Kavanaugh attacked Ford in high school or exposed himself to Ramirez in college, "But I can say that he lied under oath."
In Roche's appearance on "Anderson Cooper 360," he said he was "shocked" when he heard Kavanaugh say "boofing" meant flatulence and "Devil's Triangle" was a drinking game, "because those words were commonly used and they were references to sexual activities. ... I heard them talking about it regularly. I think that contributed to some of my feelings about the fact that these guys treated women in a way that I didn't like."
"We were in a room together -- our beds were 10 feet apart for a couple of months," Roche told Cooper. "And what struck me and made me more interested in speaking out about it is not only did I know that he wasn't telling, you know, the truth, I knew that he knew that he wasn't telling the truth."
Roche told CNN his memory of Kavanaugh is that "he was on the far edge of this -- he was notably heavier in his drinking than other people."
He told Cooper he had gone back and forth on whether to speak out -- "there is very little upside for me and there is considerable downside for me" -- but that "at the end of the day it feels like there are not enough people who are willing and can credibly say" they know Ramirez "and she didn't lie and wouldn't lie. ... And so it felt to me like somebody had to get up and speak for her."
In the Slate op-ed, Roche notes he was raised in a Republican family -- his mother was a Republican state representative in Connecticut and "my father owns a MAGA hat."
"This is not about drinking too much or even encouraging others to drink," Roche writes. "It is not about using coarse language or even about the gray area between testing sexual boundaries with a date and sexual abuse. This is about denial. This is about not facing consequences. This is about lying."
"I was not a choirboy, but—unlike Brett—I'm not going on national television and testifying under oath that I was," Roche continued.
"In Brett's cases, if he is innocent, he should be cleared," Roche writes in the Slate op-ed. "If he is not and he is being untruthful to the nation, that should disqualify him from sitting on the highest court in the land. This just seems fair."
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Post by sabrinae on Oct 4, 2018 10:28:36 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 12:34:00 GMT
FBI was only allowed to look into sexual assault, but if they talked to Ramirez and her witnesses they could NOT have missed the drinking!!
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 4, 2018 13:53:50 GMT
Sasse? I truly, sincerely hope you’re right. But he already declared yes and I don’t see him going against Deb Fischer and party. In any case, I watched the speech referenced in the article you linked. It doesn’t suggest a no vote to me; what it suggests is, as always, he talks a good game and then votes in line with party (like Flake). Notice he doesn’t imply doubt that Kavanaugh is innocent; what he’s criticizing was the process and saying this shouldn’t be a choice between #MeToo and a candidate. Check his record – he votes just like Cruz and Grassley.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2018 14:01:45 GMT
Would could hope.......... otherwise we are 'doomed'
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 4, 2018 14:18:34 GMT
Would could hope.......... otherwise we are 'doomed' Don’t be too despondent. It ain’t over yet. And even if Kavanaugh is confirmed, we can still occasionally count on Roberts to swing now that Kennedy is gone. The next time there’s a Dem president he/she can also pack the court. Keep your chin up. Never give up.
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Post by sabrinae on Oct 4, 2018 14:35:39 GMT
Sasse? I truly, sincerely hope you’re right. But he already declared yes and I don’t see him going against Deb Fischer and party. In any case, I watched the speech referenced in the article you linked. It doesn’t suggest a no vote to me; what it suggests is, as always, he talks a good game and then votes in line with party (like Flake). Notice he doesn’t imply doubt that Kavanaugh is innocent; what he’s criticizing was the process and saying this shouldn’t be a choice between #MeToo and a candidate. Check his record – he votes just like Cruz and Grassley. I tend to agree with you; I’m hoping for a miracle
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 4, 2018 15:11:53 GMT
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Post by PLurker on Oct 4, 2018 15:34:52 GMT
Sasse? I truly, sincerely hope you’re right. But he already declared yes and I don’t see him going against Deb Fischer and party. In any case, I watched the speech referenced in the article you linked. It doesn’t suggest a no vote to me; what it suggests is, as always, he talks a good game and then votes in line with party (like Flake). Notice he doesn’t imply doubt that Kavanaugh is innocent; what he’s criticizing was the process and saying this shouldn’t be a choice between #MeToo and a candidate. Check his record – he votes just like Cruz and Grassley. I tend to agree with you; I’m hoping for a miracle I know they can't and won't but I would be curious to see what the vote would be if it was anonymous vs the official vote.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 4, 2018 15:39:49 GMT
From Feinstein—
“Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the Ranking Member on the Senate Judiciary Commitee, said at a press availability after viewing Brett Kavanaugh's FBI report that "the most notable part of this report is what's not in it. As we noted by the white house, the FBI did not interview Brett Kavanaugh. Nor did the FBI interview Dr. Blasey Ford."
She added, "It looks to be a product of an incomplete investigation that was limited, perhaps by the White House. I don't know."
"Democrats agreed that the investigation's scope should be limited," Feinstein said. "We did not agree that the White House should tie the FBI's hands."
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