lizacreates
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 4, 2019 19:25:02 GMT
Actually the 3rd mass shooting this week but the first one last Saturday was not by a white spremacist. It was by a suspected black male terrorist who is still on the loose. It was at the Annual Old Timers Festival in Brooklyn NY. 12 people were shot and 1 died. Why hasn't that been widely or even narrowly reoorted It was. NYT, WaPo, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, WSJ, MSN, Yahoo, Bloomberg, and host of many local news sites. I learned about it from my local paper.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2019 19:29:32 GMT
And they just announced that the Dayton shooter was another White male. His sister was one of the 9 he killed! There is much more to this story and they will have a press conference at 4pm... Not sure if ET or Central..
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Post by elaine on Aug 4, 2019 19:45:15 GMT
And they just announced that the Dayton shooter was another White male. His sister was one of the 9 he killed! There is much more to this story and they will have a press conference at 4pm... Not sure if ET or Central.. How awful.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 4, 2019 20:45:47 GMT
His sister was one of the 9 he killed! There is much more to this story and they will have a press conference at 4pm... Not sure if ET or Central.. How awful. His parents have lost 2 children in one senseless act! Shooter, his sister and his friend arrived together ..... Shooter dead, sister killed, his friend wounded!
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Post by lucyg on Aug 5, 2019 1:44:57 GMT
Why hasn't that been widely or even narrowly reoorted I can’t answer that. I wish I knew. Elaine schooled me that this was a gang related shooting and therefore different than a mass shooting. The Brooklyn gang shooter shot 12 and killed one. The Gilroy mass shooter shot 13 and killed 3. I don’t see a difference. Also just saw an article (many articles) that said the Gilroy shooter killed himself (not shot by police) and that the FBI got it wrong and he was not a white supremacist. The media coverage or lack of media coverage needs to be controlled better. Who actually decides what gets coverage and what doesn’t ? If it doesn’t fit whoever’s in control’s agenda, it simple gets no coverage and buried. So sad for all these Brooklyn families, along with Gilroy, El Paso & Dayton. I don’t know what kind of news you’re reading, but I’m local to Gilroy, and our news is most certainly not reporting that “the FBI got it wrong and he was not a white supremacist.” Investigators are still establishing the shooter’s motives, but he had posted white supremacist BS on social media in the days before the shooting. And I’m not sure what you mean by “media coverage needs to be controlled better.” Controlled by whom? Our media is free and unregulated, per the Constitution. If you value the 2nd amendment, try to remember that the 1st amendment was actually more important to the founders ... they put it FIRST.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 5, 2019 2:33:48 GMT
Oh...I get it. We can call them a terrorist if they are black. Gotcha. You misunderstood. I was calling all three of them terrorists. Elaine schooled me that the Brooklyn mass shooting was gang related and didn’t count towards these other two scenarios. I guess because the suspected shooter is black this incident didn’t count towards the white supremacist shooters. Elaine’s call; not mine. What you’re saying is not what Elaine states in her post. She did not discount anything like you’re implying.
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Post by mnmloveli on Aug 5, 2019 2:54:48 GMT
You misunderstood. I was calling all three of them terrorists. Elaine schooled me that the Brooklyn mass shooting was gang related and didn’t count towards these other two scenarios. I guess because the suspected shooter is black this incident didn’t count towards the white supremacist shooters. Elaine’s call; not mine. What you’re saying is not what Elaine states in her post. She did not discount anything like you’re implying. To clarify, concerning whether it was a terrorist, which I think they all are, Elaine said ........ Not apparently by a terrorist, but a gang-related shooting.
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Post by elaine on Aug 5, 2019 3:31:05 GMT
What you’re saying is not what Elaine states in her post. She did not discount anything like you’re implying. To clarify, concerning whether it was a terrorist, which I think they all are, Elaine said ........ Not apparently by a terrorist, but a gang-related shooting. Yes, that is all I said. In addition to acknowledging it was an awful tragedy. All the embellishment about ethnicity, White Supremacist ideology, etc., was inserted by you and your imagination. I followed the news coverage of the Brooklyn shooting and also read about it. It has been treated as a gang-related shooting. The shooter and several victims all had gang ties. I didn’t make it up. I didn’t embellish. I briefly stated the facts as I understood them. I then linked an article about the differences between gang members and terrorists, so that you could get more information, if you were interested. I assumed that you were interested in a discussion and sharing information. Was I wrong? If so, my apologies. The shooting in Brooklyn at the Old Timers event just adds more evidence that stricter federal legislation regarding gun control is strongly needed. I’m glad that you are willing to contribute to and strengthen that argument. Thank you.
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Post by lauradrumm on Aug 6, 2019 10:00:12 GMT
This is the point I'm at. And it's very sad to me to realize this about friends, neighbors, old co-workers, and peas I liked. That verbalized very well how I feel, TFS. We need to have these conversations with each other, let it be known that this is not okay. Someone mentioned the importance of contacting our representatives in another thread. I completely agree. But I think it can have just as much, if not more impact to stand up for what’s right in our day to day interactions. Not give the bigoted hate any room to grow in our midst. I have made the horrible,sad and uncomfortable decision to sever ties with very old friends over this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 11:10:20 GMT
What you’re saying is not what Elaine states in her post. She did not discount anything like you’re implying. To clarify, concerning whether it was a terrorist, which I think they all are, Elaine said ........ Not apparently by a terrorist, but a gang-related shooting. You don't seem to understand that a gang related shooting is not an action to further their pursuit towards their political aims. A terrorist is someone who uses violence for their ideology and political aims. White supremacy is a political ideology, no different to Radical Islamic ideology.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 6, 2019 23:28:24 GMT
Why hasn't that been widely or even narrowly reoorted I can’t answer that. I wish I knew. Elaine schooled me that this was a gang related shooting and therefore different than a mass shooting. The Brooklyn gang shooter shot 12 and killed one. The Gilroy mass shooter shot 13 and killed 3. I don’t see a difference. Also just saw an article (many articles) that said the Gilroy shooter killed himself (not shot by police) and that the FBI got it wrong and he was not a white supremacist. The media coverage or lack of media coverage needs to be controlled better. Who actually decides what gets coverage and what doesn’t ? If it doesn’t fit whoever’s in control’s agenda, it simple gets no coverage and buried. So sad for all these Brooklyn families, along with Gilroy, El Paso & Dayton. Update: the FBI confirms it IS investigating the Gilroy shooting as domestic terrorism and that he has a long history of interest in white supremacist beliefs. NPR
I’d still be interested to see some of your “many articles” that claim the FBI got it wrong. Or am I by any chance on ignore?
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Post by mnmloveli on Aug 7, 2019 0:06:27 GMT
I can’t answer that. I wish I knew. Elaine schooled me that this was a gang related shooting and therefore different than a mass shooting. The Brooklyn gang shooter shot 12 and killed one. The Gilroy mass shooter shot 13 and killed 3. I don’t see a difference. Also just saw an article (many articles) that said the Gilroy shooter killed himself (not shot by police) and that the FBI got it wrong and he was not a white supremacist. The media coverage or lack of media coverage needs to be controlled better. Who actually decides what gets coverage and what doesn’t ? If it doesn’t fit whoever’s in control’s agenda, it simple gets no coverage and buried. So sad for all these Brooklyn families, along with Gilroy, El Paso & Dayton. Update: the FBI confirms it IS investigating the Gilroy shooting as domestic terrorism and that he has a long history of interest in white supremacist beliefs. NPR
I’d still be interested to see some of your “many articles” that claim the FBI got it wrong. Or am I by any chance on ignore? Google articles from 8/4 when my statement was from. As in any investigation, things change.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 7, 2019 1:23:13 GMT
Update: the FBI confirms it IS investigating the Gilroy shooting as domestic terrorism and that he has a long history of interest in white supremacist beliefs. NPRThis was announced today!
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Post by lucyg on Aug 7, 2019 7:36:22 GMT
Update: the FBI confirms it IS investigating the Gilroy shooting as domestic terrorism and that he has a long history of interest in white supremacist beliefs. NPR
I’d still be interested to see some of your “many articles” that claim the FBI got it wrong. Or am I by any chance on ignore? Google articles from 8/4 when my statement was from. As in any investigation, things change. It’s not my job to go looking for the articles you referred to. You made claims that you then didn’t back up. Of course things will change over the course of any investigation. You were using the statement about the FBI being “wrong” to imply faulty investigation, in order to direct our attention away from white supremacy. You went on to complain about the media and their coverage. The point appeared to be so you could conflate inner-city gang violence with domestic terrorism. They are both terrible things, but they’re two different things. It’s okay if you want to talk about gang violence, but we get to talk about white supremacy and domestic terrorism if that’s what we’re interested in. It presents a grave danger to all Americans, not just the hated minority of the moment. Please don’t minimize our concerns.
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Post by elaine on Aug 7, 2019 13:12:12 GMT
Google articles from 8/4 when my statement was from. As in any investigation, things change. It’s not my job to go looking for the articles you referred to. You made claims that you then didn’t back up. Of course things will change over the course of any investigation. You were using the statement about the FBI being “wrong” to imply faulty investigation, in order to direct our attention away from white supremacy. You went on to complain about the media and their coverage. The point appeared to be so you could conflate inner-city gang violence with domestic terrorism. They are both terrible things, but they’re two different things. It’s okay if you want to talk about gang violence, but we get to talk about white supremacy and domestic terrorism if that’s what we’re interested in. It presents a grave danger to all Americans, not just the hated minority of the moment. Please don’t minimize our concerns. Yes. I love that you are able to put what I’m thinking into words so much better than I ever can, Lucy.
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