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Post by inkedup on Jul 17, 2019 5:02:58 GMT
I'm conservative and I think he should not have said that. Actually I think this is what most of us want; acknowledgment. I was so very disappointed yesterday when he made those comments about, “the squad”. I was hoping that some of our conservative members would be as outraged as I was. Nope, today we get the same old, same old. “He didn’t mean it. That wasn’t his intention “. My mother was a racist in the 50’s and her favorite saying was, “If they don’t like it they can just go back to Africa.” snowsilver when your Christian, white children are actually targeted like the Jewish children of elaine or hop2 then and only then can you understand. Jewish Synagogues are being attacked in America with children killed. Please show me one episode where one of your conservative, Christian churches has been attacked by left wing, Liberal folks. This hits so close to home. My husband and I used to be very close to a married couple. We spent a lot of time together and were so close that they were both in our wedding. The husband made a lot of bad business decisions, and they lost everything. They ended up living in a home the wife's mother owned. They blamed everyone but themselves for the money they lost and threw away on frivolous things. I hid them on FB in the run up to the election because I couldn't handle their pro-Trump rhetoric and was tired of arguing with people I loved and whom I thought loved me. I guess I believed them to be good hearted, though misguided. Several months after the election, a mutual friend sent me a screenshot of some anti-LGBTQ posts the wife had made. Awful, hateful stuff. I went down the rabbit hole of her FB page and was disgusted. This woman shared meme after meme from various white nationalist sites and sources, some really awful stuff. That same day, she and another mutual friend were arguing about universal healthcare, and she attacked our Jewish friend in a disgusting way. I guess you would say we had a public breakup. I called her out and said maybe I never knew her at all, because no one decent just morphs into a hateful, anti-semitic bigot for any reason. You have to have that hate in you. She said I was wrong, her husband called me a libtard from Kommiefornia, and I told them both to fuck off. A few days ago, a friend sent me a screenshot of my former friend's most recent controversiap FB post - straight up holocaust denial. And another post referencing "half breeds". (Like my half white children?) Her own father, a veteran, said he was disgusted and sad. "You know my father was a WWII vet, and he never got over what he saw." His daughter attacked him viciously. And if that wasn't ugly enough, her son started spouting some of the most ignorant, hateful shit I have ever read. This was a boy who loved his auntie inkedup. A boy who was kind and open and sweet. And now, he's holed up on his parent's farm in Alabama, saying Auschwitz wasn't a death camp because it had a pool. In my own life, I have seen the swiftness with which Trump's rhetoric has emboldened hate. It's terrifying, and this hate is being drilled into the next generation.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2019 5:09:40 GMT
I am tired of this excuse being tossed out when Republicans don’t want to speak out against the vile things being said and done by Trump and his party. Stand up and speak out publicly against racism anyway. Do the right thing, even if it is hard, even if people tell you it isn’t enough. Ignore those comments. At least you will know you have done the right thing. It is important. Even more so since people in your party are most likely to listen to what you have to say than listen to one of us. I'm not talking about not doing anything. I'm talking about posting it here or discussing it in a group where no matter what you do or say it isn't going to meet with some social justice warrior's approval. So why bother to even discuss it. Every time a conservative posts here, it is shut down and or attacked. No it’s not. You’re now repeating the echo chamber narrative that just isn’t true.
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2019 10:21:28 GMT
Actually I think this is what most of us want; acknowledgment. I was so very disappointed yesterday when he made those comments about, “the squad”. ... This hits so close to home. My husband and I used to be very close to a married couple. We spent a lot of time together and were so close that they were both in our wedding. The husband made a lot of bad business decisions, and they lost everything. They ended up living in a home the wife's mother owned. They blamed everyone but themselves for the money they lost and threw away on frivolous things. I hid them on FB in the run up to the election because I couldn't handle their pro-Trump rhetoric and was tired of arguing with people I loved and whom I thought loved me. I guess I believed them to be good hearted, though misguided. Several months after the election, a mutual friend sent me a screenshot of some anti-LGBTQ posts the wife had made. Awful, hateful stuff. I went down the rabbit hole of her FB page and was disgusted. This woman shared meme after meme from various white nationalist sites and sources, some really awful stuff. That same day, she and another mutual friend were arguing about universal healthcare, and she attacked our Jewish friend in a disgusting way. I guess you would say we had a public breakup. I called her out and said maybe I never knew her at all, because no one decent just morphs into a hateful, anti-semitic bigot for any reason. You have to have that hate in you. She said I was wrong, her husband called me a libtard from Kommiefornia, and I told them both to fuck off. A few days ago, a friend sent me a screenshot of my former friend's most recent controversiap FB post - straight up holocaust denial. And another post referencing "half breeds". (Like my half white children?) Her own father, a veteran, said he was disgusted and sad. "You know my father was a WWII vet, and he never got over what he saw." His daughter attacked him viciously. And if that wasn't ugly enough, her son started spouting some of the most ignorant, hateful shit I have ever read. This was a boy who loved his auntie inkedup. A boy who was kind and open and sweet. And now, he's holed up on his parent's farm in Alabama, saying Auschwitz wasn't a death camp because it had a pool. In my own life, I have seen the swiftness with which Trump's rhetoric has emboldened hate. It's terrifying, and this hate is being drilled into the next generation. I am sorry for your loss. I am also sorry that we continue to raise generations of people in this country with so much hate in their hearts. I hate that we have a president who stokes those hateful fires and emboldens them to express who they are, with all their bigotry, all over social media and IRL. We have distanced ourselves from family who, under Trump, now post the most vile anti-gun control rhetoric, including repeatedly declaring that Sandy Hook was a hoax put on by the Obama administration.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 17, 2019 12:32:29 GMT
I am tired of this excuse being tossed out when Republicans don’t want to speak out against the vile things being said and done by Trump and his party. Stand up and speak out publicly against racism anyway. Do the right thing, even if it is hard, even if people tell you it isn’t enough. Ignore those comments. At least you will know you have done the right thing. It is important. Even more so since people in your party are most likely to listen to what you have to say than listen to one of us. I'm not talking about not doing anything. I'm talking about posting it here or discussing it in a group where no matter what you do or say it isn't going to meet with some social justice warrior's approval. So why bother to even discuss it. Every time a conservative posts here, it is shut down and or attacked. Not attacking you. I just saw this tweet from Justin Amash, and I think that it is spot on:
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 17, 2019 12:38:10 GMT
Actually I think this is what most of us want; acknowledgment. I was so very disappointed yesterday when he made those comments about, “the squad”. I was hoping that some of our conservative members would be as outraged as I was. Nope, today we get the same old, same old. “He didn’t mean it. That wasn’t his intention “. My mother was a racist in the 50’s and her favorite saying was, “If they don’t like it they can just go back to Africa.” snowsilver when your Christian, white children are actually targeted like the Jewish children of elaine or hop2 then and only then can you understand. Jewish Synagogues are being attacked in America with children killed. Please show me one episode where one of your conservative, Christian churches has been attacked by left wing, Liberal folks. This hits so close to home. My husband and I used to be very close to a married couple. We spent a lot of time together and were so close that they were both in our wedding. The husband made a lot of bad business decisions, and they lost everything. They ended up living in a home the wife's mother owned. They blamed everyone but themselves for the money they lost and threw away on frivolous things. I hid them on FB in the run up to the election because I couldn't handle their pro-Trump rhetoric and was tired of arguing with people I loved and whom I thought loved me. I guess I believed them to be good hearted, though misguided. Several months after the election, a mutual friend sent me a screenshot of some anti-LGBTQ posts the wife had made. Awful, hateful stuff. I went down the rabbit hole of her FB page and was disgusted. This woman shared meme after meme from various white nationalist sites and sources, some really awful stuff. That same day, she and another mutual friend were arguing about universal healthcare, and she attacked our Jewish friend in a disgusting way. I guess you would say we had a public breakup. I called her out and said maybe I never knew her at all, because no one decent just morphs into a hateful, anti-semitic bigot for any reason. You have to have that hate in you. She said I was wrong, her husband called me a libtard from Kommiefornia, and I told them both to fuck off. A few days ago, a friend sent me a screenshot of my former friend's most recent controversiap FB post - straight up holocaust denial. And another post referencing "half breeds". (Like my half white children?) Her own father, a veteran, said he was disgusted and sad. "You know my father was a WWII vet, and he never got over what he saw." His daughter attacked him viciously. And if that wasn't ugly enough, her son started spouting some of the most ignorant, hateful shit I have ever read. This was a boy who loved his auntie inkedup. A boy who was kind and open and sweet. And now, he's holed up on his parent's farm in Alabama, saying Auschwitz wasn't a death camp because it had a pool. In my own life, I have seen the swiftness with which Trump's rhetoric has emboldened hate. It's terrifying, and this hate is being drilled into the next generation. Ugh, what is happening to people? There is dark a cloud over our country. I fear this casting of “anyone who doesn’t look or sound like us” as ‘other.’ Good people need to confront this when they hear it. Otherwise this cancer will keep growing. I am so sorry that you have had to deal with this. It must be so very painful.
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Post by thundergal on Jul 17, 2019 12:58:04 GMT
But instead I asked her to get me out of all funds that invested in private prisons and detention centers/camps and kept the rest of my thoughts to myself. I never even thought about this... I am definitely going to ask our financial adviser about the funds I'm in and whether there are any of these kinds of ties. Wanda Sykes tweeted that she had done it and encouraged others to do the same. My adviser had never gotten my request before. She said she gets many similar requests about tobacco and guns. She is looking in to it for me. I'm glad you're going to inquire as well.
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Post by pyccku on Jul 17, 2019 13:55:03 GMT
Ugh, what is happening to people? There is dark a cloud over our country. I fear this casting of “anyone who doesn’t look or sound like us” as ‘other.’ Good people need to confront this when they hear it. Otherwise this cancer will keep growing. America has always been like this. We like to pretend that everyone is equal and liberty and freedom are everywhere, but the reality is that America has always been "us" and "them." The only thing that has changed is the definition of "them." POC have been telling us for years that they're not living in the same reality as the rest of us. When they encounter a racist cop, white Americans respond with "well, the cops I know are all wonderful people!" Or "I support LEO!" Never mind that we've seen FB groups with plenty of bad cops, and we have video of cops shooting unarmed black men while white mass shooters get taken into custody alive. Women have been telling us for years that they've been harassed/raped/assaulted. But people who haven't been in that situation - and even some who have - respond with "well, why were you wearing that? what were you doing at that party? why didn't you fight back harder? why didn't you come forward sooner?" It's just that now the blindfolds have come off for some people. You're realizing that some of the people you thought you knew aren't actually nice people. They always had those beliefs, it just wasn't socially acceptable to expose them publicly. But here's a hint: the people who have been complaining about "political correctness" are the ones who always thought those things, they just didn't feel safe sharing them out loud. Now that Trump has made it OK to be openly racist and hateful, they don't need to keep them hidden away. I've thought for years now that our anthem needs to be changed. Land of the free and home of the brave? Our nation is full of people who aren't really free. Rich white men are free - they can do anything they like and generally get away with it. Not so much for everyone else. Brave? We've become a nation of cowards, scared to death of anyone who doesn't talk like us, look like us, worship like us, or think like us. We're terrified of brown people who want to come here and work. We're scared of gay people who just want to live their lives and mind their own business. We just know that every Muslin is secretly plotting to blow up the country. The reality is that radical right-wing terrorism is a bigger threat in our country than Islamic terrorism. And heart disease, stroke, cancer or opioid addiction are going to kill us, not terrorist bombs or Mexican cartels. I don't see too many people rallying against Cracker Barrel these days though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 14:08:48 GMT
Don’t fool yourselves. Jesus is crying for all those who support Trump after the past two days’ tweets and press conference. If you you find yourself or your children or your family on the chopping block, or in the gas chamber, or mown down by an asshole in a Dodge Charger, because you don’t meet the White Male Supremacist’ ideal and you haven’t spoken out, you have no one to blame but yourselves. We know who some of the 25 who responded to the 4th of July Festivities poll are. They and the rest of you are typical White Supremacist lily-livered cowards. I hope it is your children and not mine who suffer what you have wrought. And I will pray for that. Elaine, I truly hope you are going to come back and apologize for this post. Because you have now gone far further than any other Pea that I can remember in wishing horror on children of other Peas. Even Lauren only wished bad things for ONE Pea's child and she apologized and that Pea and she are now friends. But you have wished suffering on any the children of any Pea who doesn't see Trump the same way you do.... you state you are even praying for that! And I am stunned at the names of some of you who have "liked" this post. REALLY?? It is time that someone stood up and called you out for this type of rhetoric. This is beyond awful. I truly hope that some of your liberals will stand with me and call this the hate speech that it is! And just so you know.....there is no bat phone. Carly is not a member of the group that meets elsewhere. You won't believe it, but there is no hateful discussions there about any liberal on this list. There is just controlled discussion on world events. But no bat phone. The reason I saw this is because I (unlike most of the members of the conservative group you reference) never left this list. I saw your thread title, and opened it because it was so inflammatory. Again, liberals, do you support and pray for the suffering of the children of Americans who don't see things the way you do? If not, I hope at least some of you will have the courage to stand against this awful thread of Elaine's While we're going with the silence is acceptance thought, I can not stay silent about wishing harm on people's children. That is not right in any way, shape or form. It's hateful and is not a constructive way to express disagreement because it only serves to divide us even further. As someone said about something else in the same vein, good people need to condemn that kind of hateful rhetoric. Thank you for speaking out against it snowsilver & basketdiva.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 17, 2019 14:29:22 GMT
Ugh, what is happening to people? There is dark a cloud over our country. I fear this casting of “anyone who doesn’t look or sound like us” as ‘other.’ Good people need to confront this when they hear it. Otherwise this cancer will keep growing. America has always been like this. We like to pretend that everyone is equal and liberty and freedom are everywhere, but the reality is that America has always been "us" and "them." The only thing that has changed is the definition of "them." POC have been telling us for years that they're not living in the same reality as the rest of us. When they encounter a racist cop, white Americans respond with "well, the cops I know are all wonderful people!" Or "I support LEO!" Never mind that we've seen FB groups with plenty of bad cops, and we have video of cops shooting unarmed black men while white mass shooters get taken into custody alive. Women have been telling us for years that they've been harassed/raped/assaulted. But people who haven't been in that situation - and even some who have - respond with "well, why were you wearing that? what were you doing at that party? why didn't you fight back harder? why didn't you come forward sooner?" It's just that now the blindfolds have come off for some people. You're realizing that some of the people you thought you knew aren't actually nice people. They always had those beliefs, it just wasn't socially acceptable to expose them publicly. But here's a hint: the people who have been complaining about "political correctness" are the ones who always thought those things, they just didn't feel safe sharing them out loud. Now that Trump has made it OK to be openly racist and hateful, they don't need to keep them hidden away. I've thought for years now that our anthem needs to be changed. Land of the free and home of the brave? Our nation is full of people who aren't really free. Rich white men are free - they can do anything they like and generally get away with it. Not so much for everyone else. Brave? We've become a nation of cowards, scared to death of anyone who doesn't talk like us, look like us, worship like us, or think like us. We're terrified of brown people who want to come here and work. We're scared of gay people who just want to live their lives and mind their own business. We just know that every Muslin is secretly plotting to blow up the country. The reality is that radical right-wing terrorism is a bigger threat in our country than Islamic terrorism. And heart disease, stroke, cancer or opioid addiction are going to kill us, not terrorist bombs or Mexican cartels. I don't see too many people rallying against Cracker Barrel these days though. Although I realize that this is a sad reality, and hope that our society gets better as young people take over, I can’t help but be shocked at the frequent displays of hate. He is trying to normalize it, and is succeeding to some extent. And yes, I have had my eyes opened by some people that I thought were good. That, combined with the daily Trump embarrassments and outrages, are making it very difficult to be optimistic about the near future. But I’m trying my damndest.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 17, 2019 14:49:53 GMT
I am tired of this excuse being tossed out when Republicans don’t want to speak out against the vile things being said and done by Trump and his party. Stand up and speak out publicly against racism anyway. Do the right thing, even if it is hard, even if people tell you it isn’t enough. Ignore those comments. At least you will know you have done the right thing. It is important. Even more so since people in your party are most likely to listen to what you have to say than listen to one of us. I'm not talking about not doing anything. I'm talking about posting it here or discussing it in a group where no matter what you do or say it isn't going to meet with some social justice warrior's approval. So why bother to even discuss it. Every time a conservative posts here, it is shut down and or attacked. Where is that damned world's tiniest violin when I need it?
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Post by gardengoddess on Jul 17, 2019 15:00:26 GMT
Why do Trump supporters hold everyone to a higher standard than Trump himself? I see this all the time on social media and on this board when I check in. They are very thin skinned to any criticism of him. The issue of separating and incarcerating children at the border has the potential for me to lose friendships over and frankly, at this point of my life, I don't care. If you support this, then we can't have a friendship, our values are too different and I'll never think of you the same way again. I know if sounds harsh, but I get to stand up for my values and principles too.
I see that someone up thread posted a screen shot of how much those private contractors are getting per immigrant so as far as that argument that Trump supporters want to use "If you like illegals that much, why don't you take some in?", I will say Sure, if the federal government will give me what they are giving the private contractor they are using, I'll sign up for a single parent and their child or children. We don't have a large house, but we have a clean, dry, unfinished basement that I think this family and mine could make into a nice place for them to stay until they get their feet on the ground. And you know what? I guarantee you that this family, thankful for what they've been given will be productive citizens when given a chance.
Let's do some numbers $775 per person, so let's say three people = $2325.00 a day which in turn would give us $69,750 a month.
Where do I sign up?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2019 15:00:34 GMT
Elaine, I truly hope you are going to come back and apologize for this post. Because you have now gone far further than any other Pea that I can remember in wishing horror on children of other Peas. Even Lauren only wished bad things for ONE Pea's child and she apologized and that Pea and she are now friends. But you have wished suffering on any the children of any Pea who doesn't see Trump the same way you do.... you state you are even praying for that! And I am stunned at the names of some of you who have "liked" this post. REALLY?? It is time that someone stood up and called you out for this type of rhetoric. This is beyond awful. I truly hope that some of your liberals will stand with me and call this the hate speech that it is! And just so you know.....there is no bat phone. Carly is not a member of the group that meets elsewhere. You won't believe it, but there is no hateful discussions there about any liberal on this list. There is just controlled discussion on world events. But no bat phone. The reason I saw this is because I (unlike most of the members of the conservative group you reference) never left this list. I saw your thread title, and opened it because it was so inflammatory. Again, liberals, do you support and pray for the suffering of the children of Americans who don't see things the way you do? If not, I hope at least some of you will have the courage to stand against this awful thread of Elaine's While we're going with the silence is acceptance thought, I can not stay silent about wishing harm on people's children. That is not right in any way, shape or form. It's hateful and is not a constructive way to express disagreement because it only serves to divide us even further. As someone said about something else in the same vein, good people need to condemn that kind of hateful rhetoric. Thank you for speaking out against it snowsilver & basketdiva. If you read what elaine actually posted, she wasn’t wishing harm. (And she further clarified up thread) Snowsilver misinterpreted/twisted what Elaine wrote into something that she did not say.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 17, 2019 15:02:26 GMT
Elaine, I truly hope you are going to come back and apologize for this post. Because you have now gone far further than any other Pea that I can remember in wishing horror on children of other Peas. Even Lauren only wished bad things for ONE Pea's child and she apologized and that Pea and she are now friends. But you have wished suffering on any the children of any Pea who doesn't see Trump the same way you do.... you state you are even praying for that! And I am stunned at the names of some of you who have "liked" this post. REALLY?? It is time that someone stood up and called you out for this type of rhetoric. This is beyond awful. I truly hope that some of your liberals will stand with me and call this the hate speech that it is! And just so you know.....there is no bat phone. Carly is not a member of the group that meets elsewhere. You won't believe it, but there is no hateful discussions there about any liberal on this list. There is just controlled discussion on world events. But no bat phone. The reason I saw this is because I (unlike most of the members of the conservative group you reference) never left this list. I saw your thread title, and opened it because it was so inflammatory. Again, liberals, do you support and pray for the suffering of the children of Americans who don't see things the way you do? If not, I hope at least some of you will have the courage to stand against this awful thread of Elaine's While we're going with the silence is acceptance thought, I can not stay silent about wishing harm on people's children. That is not right in any way, shape or form. It's hateful and is not a constructive way to express disagreement because it only serves to divide us even further. As someone said about something else in the same vein, good people need to condemn that kind of hateful rhetoric. Thank you for speaking out against it snowsilver & basketdiva. 🧐🤔 Whut? Are we reading the same post? Cause I interpreted it differently. 🤨
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2019 15:03:20 GMT
Why do Trump supporters hold everyone to a higher standard than Trump himself? I see this all the time on social media and on this board when I check in. They are very thin skinned to any criticism of him. The issue of separating and incarcerating children at the border has the potential for me to lose friendships over and frankly, at this point of my life, I don't care. If you support this, then we can't have a friendship, our values are too different and I'll never think of you the same way again. I know if sounds harsh, but I get to stand up for my values and principles too. I see that someone up thread posted a screen shot of how much those private contractors are getting per immigrant so as far as that argument that Trump supporters want to use "If you like illegals that much, why don't you take some in?", I will say Sure, if the federal government will give me what they are giving the private contractor they are using, I'll sign up for a single parent and their child or children. We don't have a large house, but we have a clean, dry, unfinished basement that I think this family and mine could make into a nice place for them to stay until they get their feet on the ground. And you know what? I guarantee you that this family, thankful for what they've been given will be productive citizens when given a chance. Let's do some numbers $775 per person, so let's say three people = $2325.00 a day which in turn would give us $69,750 a month. Where do I sign up? Or the few trump apologists here who demand that Democrats act better, are to be more civil, should apologize, or criticize and condemn those who call out the GOP’s offensiveness and divisiveness???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 15:39:59 GMT
I'm not talking about not doing anything. I'm talking about posting it here or discussing it in a group where no matter what you do or say it isn't going to meet with some social justice warrior's approval. So why bother to even discuss it. Every time a conservative posts here, it is shut down and or attacked. Where is that damned world's tiniest violin when I need it? Tuning up for Trump's reelection party.
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Post by pattyraindrops on Jul 17, 2019 15:40:51 GMT
Why would anyone answer when no answer seems good enough for some of you I am tired of this excuse being tossed out when Republicans don’t want to speak out against the vile things being said and done by Trump and his party. Stand up and speak out publicly against racism anyway. Do the right thing, even if it is hard, even if people tell you it isn’t enough. Ignore those comments. At least you will know you have done the right thing. It is important. Even more so since people in your party are most likely to listen to what you have to say than listen to one of us. I'm not conservative. I'm squarely in the middle. I work with an organization which helps refugees and asylum seekers. I've found that standing up a declaring others and their actions as racist to be pretty ineffective. What I have seen is the anger stirred up and people automatically become stronger in their stances. When I first started with this organization our founder said something to a group of us that has stayed with me, "you will find people that when you talk about refugees will start in on how we shouldn't let terrorists in. Realize these people are scared and don't argue with them. Instead, ask what charitable organizations they are involved with or that they support and sincerely compliment the good things they do." That started a whole new way of thinking for me. Now, rather than fanning the flames I have found much more effective ways of change. One of the women I know is a very right wing Trump supporter. With all the people around her I have seen this huge, loving, caregiving self and I still wonder how is it that both sides can be in one person, but I saw things start to change as I first shared little things about refugee children playing - she loves children. Over months I started to share what refugees go through little by little. Rather than sharing who it was killing, raping, hurting others I shared that these things were happening to the refugees. Her heart softened more. Eventually, I could share that some of these refugees were Muslim. It was interesting to see how she could be ok with this and then the next day express concern about Muslims and vice versa. Internally you could see how her heart told her Muslims could be good people, but decades of being in a very vocal, extremely conservative family is not something that easily changes views overnight. She moved in December, but working with love little by little she even started to ask what she could do. Before she left she was making snack packs to put in asylum seeker backpacks that our organization gives out to those traveling across the states to loved ones. One of the things we are big on is educating the public. We are non political. We have found that if we share the plight of others, share good experiences, point no fingers and provide a way for everyone to help that hate and prejudice start to go away. Yesterday, I set up a refugee apartment with some volunteers. At the end of the day I was looking at my pictures because this year I am posting a picture of the day on Instagram and Facebook. My heart had been so heavy over political fighting everywhere. That is when I saw the picture of the bedroom for 3 African that had been setup. Usually we don't meet the family when they come in. They come several hours or days later. Occasionally we do though and it so filling to my soul to see children find their beds and excitedly open backpacks. Last night as I saw that picture I imagined the children coming in. And that's when I started thinking about the volunteers there. While we don't share politics within the organization a few of us have become good friends so I know their feelings. I realized in that one group we have both very liberal and very conservative leanings and I found hope that if we can work together in love maybe that can spread. I started this post sharing how conservatives felt fear. This thread is largely how liberals feel fear. I wish that we could see that fear is a lot of why people are lashing out on both sides. It's one of the reasons why accusations don't work. They just make people hold stronger. Yes, we definitely need to stand against the horrible atrocities happening in the world, many of which will never leave my mind. No, doing things the way I describe above will not be a quick fix and it will not be enough - people do need to speak up. But please, please, take care of how you speak up. If lash out and assign blame to everyone it just makes that fear grow stronger. Find ways instead that allow and help others to trust and change their hearts. This isn't about being nice or kind. It is about lasting change and yes, that won't come quickly or easily.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 17, 2019 15:48:50 GMT
And I'll be totally honest and say I probably wouldn't have posted on this thread at all as it's pretty much a train wreck, and don't really have anything substantive to add, but I had to wave at inkedup If you're maternal family was in CO pre-statehood there's like a 90% chance we're cousins- ah hell there's no wave emoji on this site - just picture it. I'm continually amazed at those who don't realize that people in the southwest had lived there 100+ years before citizenship arrived for them. My maternal line was in New Mexico before the Revolutionary War. Their descendants were still considered "foreign" 200 years later - but a first generation "white" man is wholly American. Yeah whatever. thank you for writing this- I was trying to figure out how to write something similar yesterday... people who don't like to hear Spanish being spoken in Arizona, for example, don't think about the fact that Spanish was spoken here LONG before this state EVER became part of the US. And the fact that some border towns were arbitrarily divided in half... people might have relatives who became US citizens, or Mexican citizens, only by the stroke of a pen-- and DT wants to wall off our entire southern border?? after seeing and hearing him the last few days, yeah, it's TOTALLY because he doesn't like those 'other' (aka brown) people, no matter WHAT their heritage. ETA: I guess my point is that the concept of "OTHER" in regards to *people* is totally subjective, and only used to separate / divide / cause friction. "Other" to me, living in Phoenix, means non-natives... of which there are a lot, me included. 'Other' does NOT mean someone who is visibly Hispanic or speaks Spanish, because for all I know they've been living here for generations and that's a lot longer than my 12 years.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 17, 2019 15:50:31 GMT
While we're going with the silence is acceptance thought, I can not stay silent about wishing harm on people's children. That is not right in any way, shape or form. It's hateful and is not a constructive way to express disagreement because it only serves to divide us even further. As someone said about something else in the same vein, good people need to condemn that kind of hateful rhetoric. Thank you for speaking out against it snowsilver & basketdiva. 🧐🤔 Whut? Are we reading the same post? Cause I interpreted it differently. 🤨 Well apparently ‘suffer what you have wrought by voting for Trump’ & company, means wishing suffering on children. It can only be viewed that way IF you don’t like what Trump & company are doing. But, if you think what Trump & company are doing is fine & dandy she’s praying y’all have more of the same. She wishes You & your children get the consequences of Trump first, before her or her kids. So if you think Trump is doing good things she hoping y’all get those ‘good things’ first as well. If you read & comprehend English there’s only one way to come up with Elaine wished harm on other people’s children. That one & only way if is Trump is harmful. If Trump is harmful then WTF are y’all voting for him & supporting him? w You reap what you sow.
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Post by tara on Jul 17, 2019 16:06:11 GMT
I wanted to tell my Financial Adviser when I met with her last week that I'd give all the gains back if it would undo all the horror of this administration and this new GOP. But instead I asked her to get me out of all funds that invested in private prisons and detention centers/camps and kept the rest of my thoughts to myself. I love all of you who speak so articulately in unspeakable circumstances. I love you and stand with you. There are some amazing women here and I take comfort in that. I second this. My family is a rainbow of color. I have two Latino children plus a biracial child. On top of that, my daughter is bisexual. I get so scared and nervous for them. It’s nice to come here and see all of you so passionate about protecting them. It’s beyond nice. I can’t put it into words. I’m also getting choked up. Edited because of spelling.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 17, 2019 16:41:11 GMT
Why do Trump supporters hold everyone to a higher standard than Trump himself? I see this all the time on social media and on this board when I check in. They are very thin skinned to any criticism of him. The issue of separating and incarcerating children at the border has the potential for me to lose friendships over and frankly, at this point of my life, I don't care. If you support this, then we can't have a friendship, our values are too different and I'll never think of you the same way again. I know if sounds harsh, but I get to stand up for my values and principles too. I see that someone up thread posted a screen shot of how much those private contractors are getting per immigrant so as far as that argument that Trump supporters want to use "If you like illegals that much, why don't you take some in?", I will say Sure, if the federal government will give me what they are giving the private contractor they are using, I'll sign up for a single parent and their child or children. We don't have a large house, but we have a clean, dry, unfinished basement that I think this family and mine could make into a nice place for them to stay until they get their feet on the ground. And you know what? I guarantee you that this family, thankful for what they've been given will be productive citizens when given a chance. Let's do some numbers $775 per person, so let's say three people = $2325.00 a day which in turn would give us $69,750 a month. Where do I sign up? And I bet that out of that $69,750 a month, you will manage to supply soap, toothpaste and running water. These freakin’ people! Why are Republican cronies making this kind of big money on prisons? I want ALL for-profit prisons AND “detention camps” closed down. No one should be profiting off this kind of human misery.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 17:29:11 GMT
While we're going with the silence is acceptance thought, I can not stay silent about wishing harm on people's children. That is not right in any way, shape or form. It's hateful and is not a constructive way to express disagreement because it only serves to divide us even further. As someone said about something else in the same vein, good people need to condemn that kind of hateful rhetoric. Thank you for speaking out against it snowsilver & basketdiva . 🧐🤔 Whut? Are we reading the same post? Cause I interpreted it differently. 🤨 "If you you find yourself or your children or your family on the chopping block, or in the gas chamber, or mown down by an asshole in a Dodge Charger, because you don’t meet the White Male Supremacist’ ideal and you haven’t spoken out, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I hope it is your children and not mine who suffer what you have wrought. And I will pray for that." I didn't interpret it, I read the words and took them at face value. Praying for children to be harmed is not something I can be silent about.
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Post by elaine on Jul 17, 2019 17:45:29 GMT
🧐🤔 Whut? Are we reading the same post? Cause I interpreted it differently. 🤨 "If you you find yourself or your children or your family on the chopping block, or in the gas chamber, or mown down by an asshole in a Dodge Charger, because you don’t meet the White Male Supremacist’ ideal and you haven’t spoken out, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I hope it is your children and not mine who suffer what you have wrought. And I will pray for that." I didn't interpret it, I read the words and took them at face value. Praying for children to be harmed is not something I can be silent about. I’m sorry that you didn’t understand what I wrote. Others have restated it a number of times in a number of different ways, but you certainly can be as offended as you want about what you incorrectly think I meant. And I won’t tell you to shut up and go back to the crime infested place from which you came if you don’t like it here. But, then again, saying that would be perfectly okay, right? That certainly wouldn’t be offensive or rude; it would be downright presidential!
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 17, 2019 17:51:12 GMT
🧐🤔 Whut? Are we reading the same post? Cause I interpreted it differently. 🤨 "If you you find yourself or your children or your family on the chopping block, or in the gas chamber, or mown down by an asshole in a Dodge Charger, because you don’t meet the White Male Supremacist’ ideal and you haven’t spoken out, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I hope it is your children and not mine who suffer what you have wrought. And I will pray for that." I didn't interpret it, I read the words and took them at face value. Praying for children to be harmed is not something I can be silent about. But according to you all, Trump is doing great and amazing things for this country, that you are all benefitting from. He’s’ not harming anyone. So I stand by my whut? You could have just saved yourself the bother, and not bothered with your first post. For some reason, I now get the feeling *this* is what you really joined to say. ETA or I could have just said “what hop2 said” if I’d read everything before I responded. 😅
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 17, 2019 17:53:32 GMT
Why do Trump supporters hold everyone to a higher standard than Trump himself? I see this all the time on social media and on this board when I check in. They are very thin skinned to any criticism of him. The issue of separating and incarcerating children at the border has the potential for me to lose friendships over and frankly, at this point of my life, I don't care. If you support this, then we can't have a friendship, our values are too different and I'll never think of you the same way again. I know if sounds harsh, but I get to stand up for my values and principles too. I see that someone up thread posted a screen shot of how much those private contractors are getting per immigrant so as far as that argument that Trump supporters want to use "If you like illegals that much, why don't you take some in?", I will say Sure, if the federal government will give me what they are giving the private contractor they are using, I'll sign up for a single parent and their child or children. We don't have a large house, but we have a clean, dry, unfinished basement that I think this family and mine could make into a nice place for them to stay until they get their feet on the ground. And you know what? I guarantee you that this family, thankful for what they've been given will be productive citizens when given a chance. Let's do some numbers $775 per person, so let's say three people = $2325.00 a day which in turn would give us $69,750 a month. Where do I sign up? And I bet that out of that $69,750 a month, you will manage to supply soap, toothpaste and running water. These freakin’ people! Why are Republican cronies making this kind of big money on prisons? I want ALL for-profit prisons AND “detention camps” closed down. No one should be profiting off this kind of human misery. I had that exact thought. Why are they quibbling over toothpaste, if that is the kind of money changing hands over the care of these people. And if they do have to quibble over it, where the hell is all that money going? 😦
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Post by hop2 on Jul 17, 2019 18:09:09 GMT
Why do Trump supporters hold everyone to a higher standard than Trump himself? I see this all the time on social media and on this board when I check in. They are very thin skinned to any criticism of him. The issue of separating and incarcerating children at the border has the potential for me to lose friendships over and frankly, at this point of my life, I don't care. If you support this, then we can't have a friendship, our values are too different and I'll never think of you the same way again. I know if sounds harsh, but I get to stand up for my values and principles too. I see that someone up thread posted a screen shot of how much those private contractors are getting per immigrant so as far as that argument that Trump supporters want to use "If you like illegals that much, why don't you take some in?", I will say Sure, if the federal government will give me what they are giving the private contractor they are using, I'll sign up for a single parent and their child or children. We don't have a large house, but we have a clean, dry, unfinished basement that I think this family and mine could make into a nice place for them to stay until they get their feet on the ground. And you know what? I guarantee you that this family, thankful for what they've been given will be productive citizens when given a chance. Let's do some numbers $775 per person, so let's say three people = $2325.00 a day which in turn would give us $69,750 a month. Where do I sign up? And I bet that out of that $69,750 a month, you will manage to supply soap, toothpaste and running water. These freakin’ people! Why are Republican cronies making this kind of big money on prisons? I want ALL for-profit prisons AND “detention camps” closed down. No one should be profiting off this kind of human misery. I'm in agreement. I’m pretty conservative on my stance on prisons. BUT it is the responsibility of the government to do that in a not for profit manner. No reason for holding facilities if you haven’t broken the law imho. Asking for asylum AT a point of entry is not breaking the law as it is currently written.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 18:20:30 GMT
"If you you find yourself or your children or your family on the chopping block, or in the gas chamber, or mown down by an asshole in a Dodge Charger, because you don’t meet the White Male Supremacist’ ideal and you haven’t spoken out, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I hope it is your children and not mine who suffer what you have wrought. And I will pray for that." I didn't interpret it, I read the words and took them at face value. Praying for children to be harmed is not something I can be silent about. I’m sorry that you didn’t understand what I wrote. Others have restated it a number of times in a number of different ways, but you certainly can be as offended as you want about what you incorrectly think I meant. And I won’t tell you to shut up and go back to the crime infested place from which you came if you don’t like it here. But, then again, saying that would be perfectly okay, right? That certainly wouldn’t be offensive or rude; it would be downright presidential! I said it as clearly as possible and you understood it and liked it. I completely disagree with what he said. Telling people to leave the country is not how you come together and exchange ideas. If he disagrees with them, that was not the way to express it. It's divisive and the kind of thing that's tearing apart the country. Why now would pretend I'm okay with what he said? If I misunderstood what you said, can you clear up what you meant then?
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Post by dewryce on Jul 17, 2019 18:24:23 GMT
pattyraindrops Thank you for taking the time to write your thoughtful response, I really appreciate it and it has given me some food for thought! When you wrote that this hate is often based on fear that resonated with me because I have noticed that often my anger is based on fear as well. I have a few questions and I hope they don’t come across as argumentative as that is definitely not my intent. In your experience, what are they afraid of? How does someone’s skin color scare them? Also, how do you feel someone saying that “Trump’s words were racist and I don’t agree with him or support what he said” would trigger this fear? I can see how the continued effort you describe could make a lasting impression and impact on someone’s beliefs and I will take that message to heart, I just don’t understand how a statement like the one above could do the opposite.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 17, 2019 18:26:38 GMT
🧐🤔 Whut? Are we reading the same post? Cause I interpreted it differently. 🤨 "If you you find yourself or your children or your family on the chopping block, or in the gas chamber, or mown down by an asshole in a Dodge Charger, because you don’t meet the White Male Supremacist’ ideal and you haven’t spoken out, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I hope it is your children and not mine who suffer what you have wrought. And I will pray for that." I didn't interpret it, I read the words and took them at face value. Praying for children to be harmed is not something I can be silent about. You keep making partial quotes to take the statement out of context. Probably purposefully. Unless you just have a reading comprehension problem. If you don’t think Trump is inciting, encouraging and/or overlooking other’s doing those things, then Elaine did not wish your children harm. The Whole thing was pretty clear in context. If you DO think Trump is inciting, encouraging or turning a blind eye to people who are separating people into camps, labeling people, harming people, or getting rid of people or inciting people to run over others with dodge chargers then why do you support him? If you don’t support him then no worries she didn’t wish you or yours ill Either way I don’t pray for anyone’s children to suffer the consequences of their parents actions. Mine, yours, or anyone’s. Not even Tiffany or Barron or the other ones. ( the other ones have their own issues to suffer from they don’t need his too ) Children should not suffer for the sins of their parents. They will though, but I don’t wish it or pray for it. I find it very telling that the original post by Elaine has people so up in arms but the crap Trump speaks isn’t a problem.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2019 18:26:40 GMT
Where is that damned world's tiniest violin when I need it? Tuning up for Trump's reelection party. Gee...and you wonder why you conservative types are met with snark. 🙄
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 17, 2019 18:27:33 GMT
I’m sorry that you didn’t understand what I wrote. Others have restated it a number of times in a number of different ways, but you certainly can be as offended as you want about what you incorrectly think I meant. And I won’t tell you to shut up and go back to the crime infested place from which you came if you don’t like it here. But, then again, saying that would be perfectly okay, right? That certainly wouldn’t be offensive or rude; it would be downright presidential! I said it as clearly as possible and you understood it and liked it. I completely disagree with what he said. Telling people to leave the country is not how you come together and exchange ideas. If he disagrees with them, that was not the way to express it. It's divisive and the kind of thing that's tearing apart the country. Why now would pretend I'm okay with what he said? If I misunderstood what you said, can you clear up what you meant then? She already did....upthread.
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