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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2021 23:16:08 GMT
To a post not even a day old. You didn’t do the thing you thought you were doing… And here you are responding as well. So? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2021 19:38:14 GMT
Why respond now to a post from 18 months ago? And yet you did respond. To a post not even a day old. You didn’t do the thing you thought you were doing… |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2021 19:37:19 GMT
Just look at her history. She’s only here for one thing. Typical “old conservative pea” returns with an alter ID Just a straight up, old-time Republican. Exactly. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 14, 2021 16:32:26 GMT
Why respond now to a post from 18 months ago? Just look at her history. She’s only here for one thing. Typical “old conservative pea” returns with an alter ID |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 11, 2021 11:33:22 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. The beliefs that you have so stated here—grossly and adamantly-on this board, whether political or religious, are literally killing off LBGTQ children, teens, young adults, and adults. “The gay thing” “No matter what” Both are verbiage that indicates you still hold those gross beliefs—both religious and by supporting politicians who are trying to wipe LBGTQ off the face of the Earth are NOT supporting LBGTQ and more than likely, your “grandson” knows. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 10, 2021 13:17:26 GMT
And hope that she is truly over thinking that being gay is a “mental illness” or that members of the LBGTQ community are “freak shows” or that gays are “sinners” because that is most certainly not going to help him.  This is so horrifying and it's absolutely the reason I didn't respond yesterday. I have a transgender kid who has attempted suicide 4 times. I get exactly how scary that is. I feel for the OPs grandson. I hate that he's going through this. And I hate even more that his comfort people have spent their lives believing that being LGBTQ is a mental illness. It feels heartbreaking to me to think about what her grandson may have heard from his own family that may be affecting his ability to be supported by them. I cannot imagine what he would feel if he read these posts here. The OP and her beliefs might have contributed to his suicide attempt and it may sound petty, but I did not know how to offer her comfort when this is her perspective. I guess it was ok to feel this way when it was my kid, but suddenly it's yours and now you want comfort? After the horrible things you said which pierced the hearts of all of us who love LGBTQ kids? I will pray for her grandson. I will pray that he will be able to surround himself with people who truly love him for who he is. I will pray that his contact with people who think he's mentally ill for being gay is minimized. I will pray that their words and actions aren't the things that drive him to it. I feel so bad for this kid my heart breaks. I’ll always advocate for the LBGTQ community and I remember how disgustingly toxic rainbow/bunny was about her opinions on LBGTQ. And using religious exemption as a lame excuse. It’s funny (sarcasm) when religious zealots can go against the core teaching of Jesus—love one another. I do hope the grandson gets help far away from that kind of toxic belief. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 10, 2021 11:41:50 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. And hope that she is truly over thinking that being gay is a “mental illness” or that members of the LBGTQ community are “freak shows” or that gays are “sinners” because that is most certainly not going to help him. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 10, 2021 11:17:16 GMT
More... Meadows, in recent legal filings, indicated he shared 6,800 pages of emails and more than 2,300 text messages with the Jan. 6 committee in an initial bid to cooperate. But members of the committee raised alarms about Meadows’ claim that some of his private records were shielded by executive privilege. If that’s the case, they said, those records should likely have been turned over to the National Archives as part of official government business. *** Under a federal law passed in 2014, White House personnel may use their personal devices or email accounts for official business, but are required to forward those “electronic messaging” records into an official account within 20 days of their creation. *** Trump and Meadows, like many Republicans, condemned former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email server to conduct official communications — a flap that hurt Clinton in her 2016 campaign against Trump. *** In a series of recent statements, members of the select panel have suggested that Meadows may have violated the Presidential Records Act by failing to transfer official documents to the National Archives that he maintained on his personal cell phone and email accounts. *** www.politico.com/news/2021/12/09/national-archives-meadows-trump-524043Gee…isn’t this what repubs got their panties in a bunch about over HRC? IOKIYR As more and more stuff is revealed it makes it clear republicans are actually destroying America. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 8, 2021 14:23:35 GMT
My work is ruining it for me.
Lots of large, last minute (and unplanned chaos) decorating. And the jobs I’m bringing for in (not the annual decorating that I do on my own) others that were supposed to help have decided that they are not their priority (but I’m bringing in the highest dollar jobs.
I’m just frustrated and tired of others not keeping to or wanting to plan.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 8, 2021 12:58:51 GMT
Anyone else feel like this?
I’m stressed out!!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 8, 2021 12:58:04 GMT
How did Rittenhouse raise his money? Ricky Schroeder (kid tv star) contributed like $2 million I think. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 7, 2021 11:45:13 GMT
I read lots of what you said. It all sounds dumb. Sorry. You’re saying butts in seats is all that matters so the talent can be paid amd that’s just ridiculous. I go to the theater to be entertained. The people on stage are entertainers. I should not have to put up with a jack ass in front of me simply because they paid for their seat. Yes, you are absolutely and totally correct. My bad. YOU are the manners expert. Everything I wrote from my experience is dumb. Entertainers should not expect to earn a living wage. So sorry I didn’t see that earlier. You’ve created an argument outside of what the OP was about—Bad manners and going against theater rules. And now you’re back to patronizing and passive/aggressive… |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 7, 2021 11:39:55 GMT
❤️❤️❤️
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 10:55:43 GMT
I agree with most others that you are NTA. I have to comment on this though: I’ve not encountered a person holding up a phone taking photos right in front of me at a rock concert, I’m sure if I did I’d find it equally distracting. People in the audience hold up their phones to take photos or videos at Every.Single.Rock.Concert I have been to in the last decade or so. It doesn't matter whether the gig is in a big venue, a small pub, an outdoor gig....... there are always heaps of people taking photos with their phones. I'm going to an outdoor concert on Thursday, and I'm sure I will take a photo or two for my Project Life album and 1SE.   If I remember, I will take a photo of people taking photos to show you!  The only time it would bother me is if the person in front of my held up their phone for the entire song / concert. A few seconds here and there doesn't bother me. Oh I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, or that I’ve not seen it at a concert that I’ve been too, I’ve just never experienced it being right smack in my line of view nor did where the concert was held prohibit photography. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 3:20:34 GMT
huh...I only seeing it from one small part of one continent. Clearly you need to go into events management as you seem to know so much more about it than the hundreds of thousands of people already employed in that sector. They need someone who teaches cutting and pasting for a living to tell them how to properly run live entertainment. I am and have been employed in that sector, as are many of our friends. I’ve done events management and ticket sales for Houston Grand Opera and formerly sat on its board. I sang for several years at a small opera company that has tried different modes of audience engagement, including coffeehouse style performances where devices were allowed. I attend Houston Arts Alliance symposiums where these things are frequently discussed. But you as an audience member are so much more knowledgeable about all this than I am, obviously. Do go on. Have you ever asked audience members why they stopped attending? Or if any rules are dumb? As an audience member, I’d say that I appreciate very much not being distracted by rude people holding up phones and taking photos, recording and texting. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:58:04 GMT
I wasn’t negating that. And you might want to read up thread. I stated that the Nutcracker isn’t the only performance that we attend. We regularly attend performances/support the theater all year long. Other ballets or other performances like Broadway shows? The ballet company doesn’t make money from your theater tickets. If you do attend other ballets, I’m curious how the attendance is. Ballet. We go to most of the performances that are out on by the company throughout the year and also donate/sponsor at different levels through the year. We also attend other shows at a half dozen venues around south area—both community theater to off broadway. Two of our more local ballet & theater venues are usually full capacity, but not always. Honestly for some of the other shows, I don’t count seats, if something is a sell out, I usually find out when purchasing tickets or reading about it later. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:53:21 GMT
Behavior comparison between a ballet performance and a rock concert? Seriously that isn’t even a good comparison…they are not the same. 1. The ballet/theaters have rules in place —no cell phones, no photography, no recording. To my knowledge, I’ve not encountered those rules at a rock concert. 2. It is well known that you remain quiet, seated, in the dark, to watch the performance at a ballet/theater, unless it’s a performance that asks you to interact. Rock concerts are loud, quite often standing venues, dancing and singing encouraged. It was hard to “mind my own business” with a blue screen right in my line of view. The rude ass woman made it my business. But WHY are those the rules? What’s the purpose? Why is it harder for you to focus on the ballet with a blue screen in front of you than it is at a popular music concert? Seriously? I cannot believe you’re even asking this. How is it NOT a distraction when it’s directly in my line of sight? The rude ass woman was holding it up and taking pictures and recording. In a dark theater. I’ve not encountered a person holding up a phone taking photos right in front of me at a rock concert, I’m sure if I did I’d find it equally distracting. The caveat would be, what are the rules set forth by the venue and band? Why is it so hard for a person to not break the rules of the venue? The ballet company/theater has made the rules. The overwhelming majority had no issue following them. A few rude people decided that the rules of the theater didn’t apply to them. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:45:32 GMT
The performance that we attended was sold out. As were the 3 before ours. I’ll assume that both performances today were also sold out or close to it. So this situation wasn’t an issue of selling seats to fill. You need to read a bit more closely. The Nutcracker pays for the rest of the season. Yes, it fills up with people like you who don’t go at any other time. And then the theater is half empty for fall rep. I wasn’t negating that. And you might want to read up thread. I stated that the Nutcracker isn’t the only performance that we attend. We regularly attend performances/support the theater all year long. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:41:26 GMT
Another perspective perhaps? Those of a “paying” seat? I don’t get your argument either. Well, scroll up or don’t. As I said, another perspective. I’m sorry you felt your evening was ruined by a woman and her phone. Why patronize me? My evening wasn’t ruined (nor did I state that it was) I just called out rude behavior. As did another guest. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:39:14 GMT
I don't know. I saw Nutcracker in Chicago a couple of years ago (just before COVID) and nobody had phones out. I get what you're saying, but I don't think engaging audiences means you sacrifice attentiveness to the art; you engage in other ways. Sure, a 19th century affectation, but there is a reason for it. They used to throw rotten fruit at the Globe, too, but we don't do that because it was "the original intent." “Nobody” is a lot of people. I know I can’t see what every single person in the theater is doing during the performance. If you have ideas for engaging audiences in other ways, I’m sure ballet, opera and symphony managers across the country would be glad to hear them. 😊 And I’m not saying that a relaxation of cultural norms for audience behavior is necessarily going to work - I’m just saying we should be open to possibilities. For me, that would have included minding my own business in the OP’s situation, but I don’t think she was the asshole for making a different choice. Out of professional curiosity, if your students asked you WHY we have one set of appropriate behaviors for a symphony concert and another for a rock concert, what would you tell them? Keeping in mind that kids rarely accept the “that’s just tradition” answer. What would you tell them is the purpose of making people hush and put down their phones in one venue, but not in another (where the tickets may have been equally expensive)? Behavior comparison between a ballet performance and a rock concert? Seriously that isn’t even a good comparison…they are not the same. 1. The ballet/theaters have rules in place —no cell phones, no photography, no recording. To my knowledge, I’ve not encountered those rules at a rock concert. 2. It is well known that you remain quiet, seated, in the dark, to watch the performance at a ballet/theater, unless it’s a performance that asks you to interact. Rock concerts are loud, quite often standing venues, dancing and singing encouraged. It was hard to “mind my own business” with a blue screen right in my line of view. The rude ass woman made it my business. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:30:17 GMT
Embracing assholes isn’t the solution. If regular patrons who do go to the ballet beyond The Nutcracker (I’ve been a season ticket holder with TBT for 10 years) threaten to leave if audiences get worse, I fail to see how that helps anyone. No, I don’t just want audiences in seats. Yes, I would rather see live performances go out of business than waste my money on performances that I can’t enjoy because assholes invade the audience. 100% |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:29:19 GMT
The performance that we attended was sold out. As were the 3 before ours. I’ll assume that both performances today were also sold out or close to it. So this situation wasn’t an issue of selling seats to fill. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:27:01 GMT
I don’t really get your argument. There are lots of things that are factually true about history and that doesn’t make them acceptable today. My first argument is that if the composers didn’t intend or expect for these things to be enjoyed in rapt silence, why do we expect it today? That’s really an academic question, but I think it’s worth considering. My second one is purely financial. Performers can’t make a living without an audience. Modern audiences have made it clear that they don’t want to pay hundreds of dollars to sit still and silent for hours. Nutcrackers with packed houses only prove my point. Those packed performances pay for all the half-empty houses when the company stages something less popular. Many of the people who show up for the Nutcracker do so for holiday pizzazz and not generally love of serious ballet. I don’t think a smart manager wants to drive those people away. (And just to sound really snotty, IMO, the Nutcracker is a ballet for people who don’t really want to go to the ballet. If you want a serious audience, go back in February or April.) 1. History and acceptable “norms” have progressed, changed, and developed. The ballet/theater created their own rules—specifically asking “the paying customers” to not use cell phones, not to photograph, not to record. So why should we honor their wishes? 2. I’m quite aware that ballet companies cannot exist without patrons and the paying audience. No one is arguing that. However why should those who pay to go and enjoy a performance be disrupted by those who cannot follow the rules? I’d reconsider even patronizing the ballet/theater if this were the norm. I don’t want to pay to watch someone’s blue screens. 3. So not true. Nutcracker is not only a great introduction to ballet for children, it’s a tradition for many families. We go every year, but it’s not the only performance we see. What’s more likely is that the rude ass people in front of us were those who think like you—it’s apparently okay to be inconsiderate during a performance, and are the kind d who really don’t want to go to the ‘real’ ballet. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 2:18:31 GMT
Then why does the Ballet company & theater have rules that are to prevent such? No cellphones. No photographs. No recording. Easy peasy, right? As for your thoughts of filling the seats, “manners can go out the windows so what” thoughts, these were sold out shows. So it doesn’t matter if other paying guests are distracted by the rudeness of others, just as long as the performers get paid? And I didn’t present this as a “high falutin’” event. It was adults and children. It was solely adults behaving badly. Being ignorant. Being selfish. Being rude. Ok Another perspective perhaps? Those of a “paying” seat? I don’t get your argument either. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 6, 2021 0:02:32 GMT
Yeah, I cannot agree with this one! You don’t have to agree, but the part about how opera/ballet/theater performances were originally intended to be enjoyed is factual. Look it up. These were not necessarily highfalutin entertainments back when they *were* the rock concerts of their times. Perhaps “silent audience/no phones” and “casual” performances would be the solution. My youngest is a viola major. I’d like for her to have a career playing in orchestras if that’s what she ultimately wants. Ballet and opera orchestra gigs help pay the bills for a symphony musician. I worry a lot about her future when I see those half-empty houses. (I did not make a career in classical singing for a lot of reasons, but one of the major ones was that opera companies don’t pay crap for singers in small roles or the chorus. Symphony chorus? Forget it. You pay for the privilege. That was 25 years ago and it’s worse now. I want butts in seats, paying for tickets, so musicians can be paid. And while you and I might be fine sitting in silence for three hours to see a performance, all those empty seats during the regular season tell us most Americans are not OK with that.) Then why does the Ballet company & theater have rules that are to prevent such? No cellphones. No photographs. No recording. Easy peasy, right? As for your thoughts of filling the seats, “manners can go out the windows so what” thoughts, these were sold out shows. So it doesn’t matter if other paying guests are distracted by the rudeness of others, just as long as the performers get paid? And I didn’t present this as a “high falutin’” event. It was adults and children. It was solely adults behaving badly. Being ignorant. Being selfish. Being rude. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2021 23:12:36 GMT
Drives me nuts when this happens! Lately, have only been attending performances in NYC (Lincoln Center and Broadway/off-Broadway) and I have to say I haven't seen a single cell phone issue since performances returned. Thinking about it, I wonder if it is because the audiences are heavily local right now. Also, I have seen ushers tell people to pull up their masks! At Chicago, they were walking around with signs with a visual graphic about correct mask wearing. One of my friends attending said the same —she’d come back from seeing something on Broadway, and everyone seemed to know how to behave. She said she was shocked to see the phones out last night. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2021 23:09:53 GMT
NOT THE ASSHOLE. People have no idea how to behave in theaters nowadays. It makes me insane. And I just don't buy the "at least they were there" - they weren't. They were busy with their phones, not appreciating what was being performed in front of them. And the people on stage can see that. They can see people on their phones; they can hear people whispering and talking and can tell when people are unengaged - certainly in seats like that. That’s fine; I don’t need anyone to agree with what I said. But without paying audience members, there is no more theater. Popular music artists manage to go on even when people are on their phones and they can see them being on their phones. They laugh all the way to the bank while ballet, symphony, and opera houses are half empty and cutting salaries. As a performing musician, to me, the best respect you can show me is to pay me. Yeah, I paid hundreds of dollars for tickets to see the play, not be distracted by rude women intent on breaking the rules and seeing their blue screens. People like them will always behave that way—if it’s not addressed or called out, it will drive people like me who love the ballet and theater performances, who spend a nice sum on tickets and also sponsor/donate to the arts away. I was taught how to behave at a performance. This wasn’t a rock concert. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2021 23:05:08 GMT
Am I The Asshole Not The Asshole |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2021 23:02:03 GMT
NTA Those people are absolutely assholes who are teaching their children to be assholes This is the retort I had rehearsed in my head if she was going to come at me afterwards!! 😂😂 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2021 23:01:16 GMT
At least they were paying ballet audience members? I’m guessing you were at a Nutcracker performance. Lots of people come to those who don’t normally attend the ballet or any sort of live theater. Not necessarily an excuse, but as those performances basically pay for the rest of the season, eh. It is what it is. Our local opera company (and possibly the ballet, too) - had started trying out performances where screens, tweeting, etc. were encouraged. Not sure if they continued post Covid. Younger generations are more likely to attend, they felt, and of course every tweet or IG post where they’re tagged is free advertising. These are - and I say this as a classically trained musician - dying arts. I think if we want them to continue, we have to be a little more tolerant of modern sensibilities. Maybe. And I personally don’t think there’s anything in the Nutcracker where you need total focus and attention all the time and can’t have distractions, but that’s just me. Neither the ballet nor the opera (nor indeed a lot of live theater) were originally intended to be performed for a silent, still audience that was totally focused on the stage. That expectation is largely a late 19th century affectation. That doesn’t make you an asshole. Just a different perspective. Yeah, I cannot agree with this one! |
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If I remember, I will take a photo of people taking photos to show you! 
The only time it would bother me is if the person in front of my held up their phone for the entire song / concert. A few seconds here and there doesn't bother me. 
