pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jul 5, 2022 17:52:29 GMT
I saw that two high level resignations from government happened. What’s the impact going to be on Boris Johnson? Will he be forced out?
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 18:03:52 GMT
I really really hope so, I have disliked him for so long. He survived a recent vote of no confidence held by the Tory mps meaning he could not be challenged again for a year. But this throws a wrench into the works.
Going to be an interesting couple of days.
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Post by sueg on Jul 5, 2022 18:07:15 GMT
When I saw the report of ‘two high level’ resignations, I didn’t expect these two! Chancellor (treasurer) and Health Minister - that’s really ‘high level’. I’m not British, but grew up in Australia which has a similar system of government. I know they can’t have another No Confidence vote yet, after the one last month, but I just can’t see how Johnson can stay in office.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 5, 2022 18:55:56 GMT
About bloody time that someone (two) finally stood up and did something.
I think Boris will STILL cling on by his grimey little fingertips for as long as he can.
I don’t think we’ve ever been in a situation like this before; there is no precedent. Interesting times ahead.
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Post by hopemax on Jul 5, 2022 19:05:43 GMT
Not a UK resident, but following a little on Twitter. It's up to 6 resignations so far. The Vice-Chair of the Tory party resigned during a news interview.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jul 5, 2022 19:56:39 GMT
holy cow! Can someone explain to this American what is going on, why are they all resigning? Is this stemming from when BJ had a party during Covid times??? Or is there more to it?
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 19:57:58 GMT
It might not be immediate but I think I don't think he'll be in office long term. He's pretty 'clingy' but Chancellor and Health Sec are pretty telling. I wouldn't be surprised if more follow in the next 24 hours and then it'll just a slow collapse of the house of cards.
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 19:59:45 GMT
holy cow! Can someone explain to this American what is going on, why are they all resigning? Is this stemming from when BJ had a party during Covid times??? Or is there more to it? Quite honestly it's just been one saga after another...he lies constantly, blusters and dismisses the public's opinion, says what he thinks we want to hear then just tries to carry on. Maybe, just maybe he's reached the tipping point.
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Post by stargazer on Jul 5, 2022 20:07:39 GMT
I think he won’t survive the year but he’s so tenacious/thick skinned. It’s like death by a thousand knives. They’re clearly gunning for him, his party knows he needs to go but whether this is what will tip it, I don’t know.
Maybe there will be a change to the rules now for another vote of no confidence?
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 20:08:36 GMT
I think he won’t survive the year but he’s so tenacious/thick skinned. It’s like death by a thousand knives. They’re clearly gunning for him, his party knows he needs to go but whether this is what will tip it, I don’t know. Maybe there will be a change to the rules now for another vote of no confidence?I wondered about that.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 5, 2022 20:11:53 GMT
It's up to 6 resignations so far. question from another clueless American-- this sounds like a LOT!! Is this similar to if a US Cabinet-level official resigned here in the US? Who runs the departments where these people resigned from, now that they've quit? Can Boris Johnson just appoint new people quickly without any kind of oversight, or is the government in danger of just 'limping along' for a while until he quits, or what happens next as far as those 6 departments go??
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 20:12:37 GMT
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 20:15:27 GMT
holy cow! Can someone explain to this American what is going on, why are they all resigning? Is this stemming from when BJ had a party during Covid times??? Or is there more to it? As gar says it's been a list of things. But the most recent event has been the resignation of a deputy chief whip called Chris Pincher( the whips ensure the mps vote as required) who was accused of groping two men at a private conservative club with a lot of people present. No 10 sent out ministers to say Boris didn't know about his reputation when he appointed him. Seems there had been previous complaints, Boris said he didn't know, a retired senior civil servant said Boris was briefed. No 10 then said Boris didn't recall but it was reported Boris called the mp Pincher by name, Pincher by nature. Anyway, it was all making the ministers look like fools, there is more but here's one recent link. It's all being overtaken today by the recent resignations. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62054067Here's the timeline to the Pincher saga www.bbc.co.uk/news/62048687
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 20:24:58 GMT
It's up to 6 resignations so far. question from another clueless American-- this sounds like a LOT!! Is this similar to if a US Cabinet-level official resigned here in the US? Who runs the departments where these people resigned from, now that they've quit? Can Boris Johnson just appoint new people quickly without any kind of oversight, or is the government in danger of just 'limping along' for a while until he quits, or what happens next as far as those 6 departments go?? The depts will be run by civil servants, they stay in place no matter who is in Government. Full of experience and knowledge, the ministers head up the depts and decide what should be given priority. Boris can fill the roles as soon as tonight if he can find people who want the roles. Cabinet shuffles are common here, when ministers are moved about, promoted or demoted or fired.
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 20:26:07 GMT
It's up to 6 resignations so far. question from another clueless American-- this sounds like a LOT!! Is this similar to if a US Cabinet-level official resigned here in the US? Who runs the departments where these people resigned from, now that they've quit? Can Boris Johnson just appoint new people quickly without any kind of oversight, or is the government in danger of just 'limping along' for a while until he quits, or what happens next as far as those 6 departments go?? I don't know enough about your system to know if it's similar. Someone else will be appointed pretty quickly by BJ assuming he stays in office for a few days. The gov't is already seen as limping along because he spends all his time fighting off accusations of sleaze etc rather than paying enough attention t all the other things going on...Ukraine, cost of living crisis etc etc.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 5, 2022 20:26:37 GMT
It's up to 6 resignations so far. question from another clueless American-- this sounds like a LOT!! Is this similar to if a US Cabinet-level official resigned here in the US? Who runs the departments where these people resigned from, now that they've quit? Can Boris Johnson just appoint new people quickly without any kind of oversight, or is the government in danger of just 'limping along' for a while until he quits, or what happens next as far as those 6 departments go?? He seems to be making new appointments right now.
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 20:28:37 GMT
He seems to be making new appointments right now. Yep...watch this space.
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 20:33:20 GMT
You know when you get a piece of sellotape stuck on your finger and no matter how many times you shake your hand, it still hangs on.
That's Boris.
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 20:35:11 GMT
Words of Chris Mason (BBC Political editor)
"Plenty of cabinet ministers have made it known they are staying. And Boris Johnson is not - until we hear otherwise - someone expected to go easily. Things remain, to put it gently, fluid. The only question that matters tonight is, will Boris Johnson survive? The simple truth is we don't know. And here's another thing. Neither does he. He's no longer in control of events, or in control of his government. He has never faced a more perilous day in office."
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 20:58:25 GMT
Replacement appointment made
No 10 has also confirmed that Steve Barclay will be replacing Sajid Javid, becoming the new secretary of state for health and social care.
And Michelle Donelan is the new secretary of education, replacing Nadhim Zahawi's old role.
This as Nadhim Zahawi becomes the new chancellor.
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 20:59:32 GMT
Nadhim Zahawi is the new Chancellor, Steve Barclay replaces Javid and Michelle Donelan (Who is she?) gets Education.
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 21:09:20 GMT
Nadhim Zahawi is the new Chancellor, Steve Barclay replaces Javid and Michelle Donelan (Who is she?) gets Education. I looked her wiki page, MP for Chippenham since 2015. Decided at six to be an MP, spoke at the Conservative party conference at 15. Okay then.
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 21:11:10 GMT
Nadhim Zahawi is the new Chancellor, Steve Barclay replaces Javid and Michelle Donelan (Who is she?) gets Education. I looked her wiki page, MP for Chippenham since 2015. Decided at six to be an MP, spoke at the Conservative party conference at 15. Okay then. Ok then!
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Post by gillyp on Jul 5, 2022 21:20:43 GMT
I guess we should be grateful Nadine Dorries didn't get shifted up.
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 21:21:55 GMT
I guess we should be grateful Nadine Dorries didn't get shifted up. Good god yes! Grateful for that definitely.
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 21:26:18 GMT
I guess we should be grateful Nadine Dorries didn't get shifted up. True, small mercies!
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Post by gar on Jul 5, 2022 21:31:39 GMT
Lord Heseltine seems pretty sure he'll soon be gone, via the 1922 committee.
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 21:43:33 GMT
YouGov have held a snap poll, suggests 68% of Britons want him to resign.
But I keep thinking back to what his teacher at Eton wrote about him
“Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies . . . Boris sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the School for next half): I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else.”
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Post by pilcas on Jul 5, 2022 21:50:37 GMT
That was interesting reading for sure.
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Post by wellway on Jul 5, 2022 22:00:48 GMT
The solicitor general Alex Chalk has just resigned from the Cabinet.
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