wellway
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Post by wellway on Jul 7, 2022 9:52:44 GMT
Someone mentioned Liz Truss yesterday and another woman I hadn’t heard of as being ‘the darling’ of upcoming conservatives. Liz Truss comes across as completely incompetent! Well, if your voters are anything like our voters here in the States "incompetence" is no barrier to being elected to public office. Can any of you British Peas give us a link or two to a good basic primer on who the major contenders are, and what the whole process is? I'll go read BBC as soon as I get my coffee, but just thought you all might have a link to a good article or two. This is the selection process for the Conservative Party Leader www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068930Who is actually going to stand is up in the air at the moment, sounds like most of them.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2022 9:56:38 GMT
I was out running errands when the news broke so am now sitting down with a cuppa and the news on to catch up. A comment was read out to me, an apprentice style competition should be held to select the next leader, see if they can run a sweet shop for 24 hours or run a new product campaign. In that case, my money's on gillyp . 😂
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jul 7, 2022 9:59:13 GMT
Mr Rees Mogg is a man of the people - I’m sure he would be a popular leader. 😬 (Someone on the subreddit r/Scotland just referred to him as a Victorian wank puffin, and that is one of the best descriptions of him I have come across ever. 😂) I don't know which subreddit my kid is reading but Mogg has been described as a haunted pencil
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 7, 2022 10:02:56 GMT
Mr Rees Mogg is a man of the people - I’m sure he would be a popular leader. 😬 (Someone on the subreddit r/Scotland just referred to him as a Victorian wank puffin, and that is one of the best descriptions of him I have come across ever. 😂) I don't know which subreddit my kid is reading but Mogg has been described as a haunted pencil I just love British (and Australian) slang. I might start keeping a list while all this is going on.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 10:17:24 GMT
Mr Rees Mogg is a man of the people - I’m sure he would be a popular leader. 😬 (Someone on the subreddit r/Scotland just referred to him as a Victorian wank puffin, and that is one of the best descriptions of him I have come across ever. 😂) Perfect!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jul 7, 2022 11:42:14 GMT
So will the people who resigned be reinstated since Boris is stepping down? Or are they done-done?
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Post by peasapie on Jul 7, 2022 11:50:17 GMT
Listening to his resignation speech and commentary on U.S. news thereafter. Do I have this right … He beat the vote of no confidence with the people’s support? But not his party’s support? Ie he had the popular support, but not that of his party?
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 11:51:20 GMT
So will the people who resigned be reinstated since Boris is stepping down? Or are they done-done? We just don't know at this point! It's not certain I wouldn't think that he will be able to stay as long as he wants to.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 11:51:49 GMT
Listening to his resignation speech and commentary on U.S. news thereafter. Do I have this right … He beat the vote of no confidence with the people’s support? But not his party’s support? Ie he had the popular support, but not that of his party? No, this was purely a party thing.
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lesley
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Post by lesley on Jul 7, 2022 11:56:25 GMT
His resignation speech was exactly what you would expect - not taking a single speck of responsibility for his situation. I’m sure his blaming the "herd instinct" will go down well.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2022 12:01:53 GMT
It was an absolute nothing speech! Nothing other than to blame others. He didn’t even actually say he was stepping down, he just blamed the party.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 12:02:37 GMT
I agree Lesley! Nothing to do with him really - everyone else's fault!
Just listened to George Baker (I think) who sounds as though he's going to confirm he'll run and he's basically a climate denier!
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2022 12:03:39 GMT
So will the people who resigned be reinstated since Boris is stepping down? Or are they done-done? They don’t automatically get their jobs back, they have to be appointed to those positions. We’ve never been in this position before so it’s a case of wait and see, I guess.
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jul 7, 2022 12:04:55 GMT
Listening to his resignation speech and commentary on U.S. news thereafter. Do I have this right … He beat the vote of no confidence with the people’s support? But not his party’s support? Ie he had the popular support, but not that of his party? The vote of no confidence was only for Tory MPs, he survived it but a larger number than expected voted against him. It meant no further vote on his future could be held for a year. Following the Pincher saga, members of his party started resigning to the point he couldn't fill cabinet seats and therefore not bring bills and business to the House of Commons. He couldn't govern. The people's support or mandate he keeps mentioning is the result of the last general election when the Tories got a big majority. I read somewhere that the Tories got 44% of the vote but that translated into lots of seats because of how the system works. He forgets there was been a lot of water under the bridge since then and his own poll figures are pretty low. I think it's a mistake not to send him on his way today.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2022 12:08:59 GMT
. I think it's a mistake not to send him on his way today. I think the party and opposition are going to push like merry heck to get him to go now.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 12:12:27 GMT
Yep, I agree...it's not necessarily done yet.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 7, 2022 12:27:29 GMT
Thinking taking no responsibility is his lesson learned from our former one...
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 12:28:53 GMT
Thinking taking no responsibility is his lesson learned from our former one... He's very well known as being his own biggest fan
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jul 7, 2022 12:37:25 GMT
Jess Philips (Labour) has retweeted a comment Leave means Leave.
Caroline Nokes (Tory) has tweeted... channelling my inner Gloria Gaynor attaching a gif "go on now"
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Post by sueg on Jul 7, 2022 12:49:01 GMT
In his speech, he promised to support the new party leader. He said: I am sure that is an extremely comforting thought to all those thinking of throwing their hats into the ring!
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DEX
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Post by DEX on Jul 7, 2022 13:21:12 GMT
Except for the resignation, it kinda reminds me of the shenanigans of our twice impeached former. After 1/6 several of his cabinet officials resigned also.
Good luck to all of you. The entire world seems to be a mess right now.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 7, 2022 13:48:17 GMT
Wow, just woke up to the news that Boris resigned! I kept reading on Twitter that it was inevitable but I didn’t think it would really happen.
Hopefully you guys get a worthy new Prime Minister.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 13:53:59 GMT
Wow, just woke up to the news that Boris resigned! I kept reading on Twitter that it was inevitable but I didn’t think it would really happen. Hopefully you guys get a worthy new Prime Minister. Time will tell...there's no obvious front runner standing out at the moment.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 7, 2022 14:42:03 GMT
Lol. He comes off as the victim. That modus is very familiar to us Americans for obvious reasons.
ETA: Cummings says don’t believe BJ. He’s playing for time and devising some way to get out of this mess. ??
Conservative MPs need to get him out asap and not wait ‘til autumn. Why not elect someone right now for the interim? Is that something they can do?
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2022 14:59:41 GMT
Conservative MPs need to get him out asap and not wait ‘til autumn. Why not elect someone right now for the interim? Is that something they can do? We have a deputy Prime Minister, Dominic Raab, who could/should be allowed to take over. He took over when Boris had Covid but I don't know the technicalities for him taking the reins in this scenario.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 7, 2022 15:18:32 GMT
Conservative MPs need to get him out asap and not wait ‘til autumn. Why not elect someone right now for the interim? Is that something they can do? We have a deputy Prime Minister, Dominic Raab, who could/should be allowed to take over. He took over when Boris had Covid but I don't know the technicalities for him taking the reins in this scenario. I know of Raab, but would he make a good caretaker? I really don’t know. I also don’t know why the Commons doesn’t just hold a confidence vote so BJ exits pronto.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 15:28:43 GMT
We have a deputy Prime Minister, Dominic Raab, who could/should be allowed to take over. He took over when Boris had Covid but I don't know the technicalities for him taking the reins in this scenario. I know of Raab, but would he make a good caretaker? I really don’t know. I also don’t know why the Commons doesn’t just hold a confidence vote so BJ exits pronto. They can’t within the current rules.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2022 15:42:01 GMT
We have a deputy Prime Minister, Dominic Raab, who could/should be allowed to take over. He took over when Boris had Covid but I don't know the technicalities for him taking the reins in this scenario. I know of Raab, but would he make a good caretaker? I really don’t know. I also don’t know why the Commons doesn’t just hold a confidence vote so BJ exits pronto. IMHO he's a bit of a lightweight but I would be comfortable with him in place for a few weeks till autumn; he made a good enough job in the spring when Boris was ill a couple of years ago iirc. He's saying he won't run for leadership which I think is good as he won't be distracted by campaigning. Parliament is in recess very soon until September. How we get through the next 24 hours will be a good indicator of how things are going to pan out I think. I'm being vague because things are pretty vague.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 7, 2022 15:52:15 GMT
I know of Raab, but would he make a good caretaker? I really don’t know. I also don’t know why the Commons doesn’t just hold a confidence vote so BJ exits pronto. IMHO he's a bit of a lightweight but I would be comfortable with him in place for a few weeks till autumn; he made a good enough job in the spring when Boris was ill a couple of years ago iirc. He's saying he won't run for leadership which I think is good as he won't be distracted by campaigning. Parliament is in recess very soon until September. How we get through the next 24 hours will be a good indicator of how things are going to pan out I think. I'm being vague because things are pretty vague. Raab won't run? That honestly surprises me. I wonder why. Not confident he can command majority?
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jul 7, 2022 16:18:48 GMT
IMHO he's a bit of a lightweight but I would be comfortable with him in place for a few weeks till autumn; he made a good enough job in the spring when Boris was ill a couple of years ago iirc. He's saying he won't run for leadership which I think is good as he won't be distracted by campaigning. Parliament is in recess very soon until September. How we get through the next 24 hours will be a good indicator of how things are going to pan out I think. I'm being vague because things are pretty vague. Raab won't run? That honestly surprises me. I wonder why. Not confident he can command majority? Probably, like gillyp I think he is a lightweight and he has stood for PM before after Theresa May resignation and didn't do particularly well. I think there are other characters that can get more votes.
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