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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2022 18:11:11 GMT
I think it’s going to be a tricky time for anyone taking over. Many bridges to rebuild.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 18:31:21 GMT
And a lot of major issues to handle...Brexit/Northern Ireland, Ukraine support, cost of living etc.
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Post by wellway on Jul 7, 2022 18:41:04 GMT
On the BBC live feed
Downing Street has not denied reports that the prime minister and his wife Carrie Johnson are planning to hold a wedding party at Chequers later this month
As one Lib Dem MP noted, it's all about the parties with him.
Is this why he wants to hold on?
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 18:44:17 GMT
Robert Peston talked about that earlier...discussing when BJ might go, he said that it definitely wouldn't be July because they were hosting a wedding party at Chequers. Nothing would surprise me at this point!
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Post by wellway on Jul 7, 2022 18:52:03 GMT
Didn't they get married over a year ago, so why a wedding party now??
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2022 19:01:31 GMT
Shenanigans at the tax payers expense?
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 19:34:28 GMT
Didn't they get married over a year ago, so why a wedding party now?? Could be hosting one for someone else.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jul 7, 2022 19:39:26 GMT
What is a Chequers? Is that a special property for the PM?
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2022 19:41:28 GMT
The country house for the use of the PM. And when I say house...
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Post by pjaye on Jul 7, 2022 23:02:58 GMT
Finally the last of the 3 stooges (Trump/Morrison/Johnson) is almost gone. That trio really fucked things up for USA/Aus/UK and the new people don't get a fair shot because a good chunk of what they have to do is to undo the damage these guys did first.
I can't believe that they really plan to go ahead with the wedding party after all the negative press about having parties during lockdown.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 8, 2022 8:35:03 GMT
BBC is confirming the Chequers bash is to be relocated to another property. I should darned well think so.
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Post by wellway on Jul 8, 2022 9:16:20 GMT
BBC is confirming the Chequers bash is to be relocated to another property. I should darned well think so. I read this from the BBC One newly appointed minister, Education Secretary James Cleverly, said he had heard about reports of plans to host the wedding party at Chequers and did not have a problem with it.
"I think that if that [the leadership succession process] is done by that point in time, I suspect that it would be a rather generous action of the new prime minister for that to go ahead," he told the BBC.
"Private functions like that do not impose a burden on the public purse."I think the new Education Secretary needs a quick lesson in reading the room.
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Post by gar on Jul 8, 2022 12:49:09 GMT
BBC is confirming the Chequers bash is to be relocated to another property. I should darned well think so. I read this from the BBC One newly appointed minister, Education Secretary James Cleverly, said he had heard about reports of plans to host the wedding party at Chequers and did not have a problem with it.
"I think that if that [the leadership succession process] is done by that point in time, I suspect that it would be a rather generous action of the new prime minister for that to go ahead," he told the BBC.
"Private functions like that do not impose a burden on the public purse."I think the new Education Secretary needs a quick lesson in reading the room.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 11:21:38 GMT
Things have been horrendous here in the UK the past few years. I am so glad that news details of his scandals , law breaking and corruption is reaching mainstream news more. I have always loathed and distrusted him.
Transparency is essential.
Hopefully the people that originally voted for him are better informed now and can see what a mistake it was ,although I see some clips of people on TV that are still supportive unfortunately.
I think that the UK is broken and so run down at present.
Things need to change asap.
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Post by gar on Jul 14, 2022 11:42:32 GMT
Hopefully the people that originally voted for him are better informed now and can see what a mistake it was ,although I see some clips of people on TV that are still supportive unfortunately. It doesn't matter whether they're 'better informed' about Boris now, because we, the public don't get to have a say in the next leader and therefore PM anyway. And many people have said that they knew what they were getting with Boris and that they liked him anyway.
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Post by gar on Jul 14, 2022 11:45:35 GMT
So, to let this conversation meander onwards...who do we think will be the next Conservative leader? I just hope it isn't Liz Truss to be honest.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 14, 2022 12:17:58 GMT
Going on initial presentations only, I personally like Penny Mordaunt. I feel Rishi will definitely be in the final 2. I think those in the party who didn’t like Boris will be backing him. Having said that, we need someone capable of growing into the role, imho there is no one with sufficient experience or gravitas running. Most remind me of City boys rather than politicians.
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Post by gar on Jul 14, 2022 12:24:38 GMT
I agree gillyp...I quite like what Penny M is saying so far from what I've heard. I like that Tom thingy had military experience - discipline and perhaps a higher moral standard?
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Post by gillyp on Jul 14, 2022 12:58:01 GMT
Tugendhat. Maybe. The lack of morals has been jaw dropping for a while.
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Post by gar on Jul 14, 2022 13:12:24 GMT
Tugendhat. Maybe. The lack of morals has been jaw dropping for a while. Indeed.
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Post by sueg on Jul 14, 2022 13:18:02 GMT
I haven't really heard of any of them except for Rishi Sunak and Lyn Truss (and Hunt, but he's out now). Part of me feels that those two are a bit tainted by being part of the BoJo regime, especially Truss who never denounced him (and Rishi took long enough!), and maybe someone who wasn't so close might help with a fresh start. Of course, I'm not British, so my opinion is one looking in from the outside.
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Post by wellway on Jul 14, 2022 13:54:54 GMT
sueg I saw an article that said the domain name for Rishi's website was set up on Dec 23rd 2021 so whilst it took him a long time to denounce Boris he was planning... Truss, her cheese speech is the first thing that comes to mind. Nothing she has done since has upped my impression of her. Hunt, hopefully he'll take the hint now, the Tory party just don't see him as a leader. I think it's a shame that someone could become PM with little or no public image, thinking Tom and Kemi. There is only 160,000 signed up Tory Party members and they will decide. Eta so Braverman is out and Tom lost votes down from 37 to 32
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Post by gar on Jul 14, 2022 14:18:34 GMT
sueg I saw an article that said the domain name for Rishi's website was set up on Dec 23rd 2021 so whilst it took him a long time to denounce Boris he was planning... Truss, her cheese speech is the first thing that comes to mind. Nothing she has done since has upped my impression of her. Hunt, hopefully he'll take the hint now, the Tory party just don't see him as a leader. I think it's a shame that someone could become PM with little or no public image, thinking Tom and Kemi. There is only 160,000 signed up Tory Party members and they will decide. Eta so Braverman is out and Tom lost votes down from 37 to 32 Liz Truss and the cheese speech - exactly 😏
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jul 14, 2022 14:36:47 GMT
Things have been horrendous here in the UK the past few years. I am so glad that news details of his scandals , law breaking and corruption is reaching mainstream news more. I have always loathed and distrusted him. Transparency is essential. Hopefully the people that originally voted for him are better informed now and can see what a mistake it was ,although I see some clips of people on TV that are still supportive unfortunately. I think that the UK is broken and so run down at present.
Things need to change asap.I feel the exact same way for things here in the US. @lettuceagain, I am glad to see you back!
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Post by gillyp on Jul 14, 2022 14:41:09 GMT
Cheese. Peppa Pig. Surely these rank up there with some great orations of our time. Smdh. There are young teenagers in debating societies who talk more eloquently.
ETA I’m pleased Braverman is out. Another lightweight imho.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 15:18:18 GMT
As for the replacement I wonder how many of them truly have the country to heart or are just in it for personal gain.
On a personal note , I would have preferred the option of a general election - however out of the initial contenders for replacement I was keeping my fingers crossed that Sajid Javid would gain more support. The reason I wanted that is because he had just set up a cross party group to ensure the implementation of the new health guidelines on ME/CFS Myalgic Encephalomyelitis / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome . This was necessary because the Royal Colleges and some CCG Clinical Commissioning Groups within the NHS National Health Service are currently non compliant with the new guidance and still promoting harmful treatments to patients. He planned to change their non compliance , as a precedent and heavily criticised patient mistreatment to date and wanted to re-educate medical professionals who were still outdated and poorly informed . He also wished for more biomedical research.
Sajid Javid has a young relative with the illness of ME / CFS which is why he set up the cross party group recently and gave it his particular attention. His position as Health Secretary or even Prime Minister could have had some positive influence. (My family is also affected with the illness ). As we all know though recently this past week he is no longer a replacement candidate to Boris due to lack of support and has resigned as Health Secretary. I don’t know whether the cross party group will continue - I hope so.
On a different note I have found that amongst my family / friends their opinions have subsequently changed. Those who initially voted for Boris / Brexit no longer condone his behaviour and realise the downside to Brexit. Their views are a closer match to ours now.
However , they were never subjects we discussed very much, or argued about , we just said quickly at the time which way we all voted and left things at that. We all knew we had opposing views to one another but it did not become an issue. We chose to keep harmony instead and talk about other things .
I have to say though that I have found the critical news coverage about Boris both here and internationally such a relief - it feels like a weight has been lifted.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 14, 2022 15:32:36 GMT
What will really change? When the Tory party chooses a new leader, the same Tory policies will be implemented, just by a PM with no scandals. The adverse effects of Brexit will still be there, the fight with EU over the NI protocol will still be there, etc. It’s the same hardline party without the weekly embarrassments. (Example: Sunak keeps talking about how he’ll fix the economy and I’m thinking, “Weren’t you the one who was in charge of the economy for 2+ years?” He’s selling Thatcherism now.)
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 14, 2022 15:57:57 GMT
Glad to see you back, Lettuce! I will add, though, it can be supremely frustrating. It’s fun to watch the likes of Starmer shredding the opposition in PMQs, but at the end of the day, what is Labour offering as an alternative? And by alternative, I mean solid, viable, enumerated plans on how to fix this mess UK got itself into. (At least when Blackford does the shredding, one knows there’s a possibility Scotland will just divorce itself from the mess and rejoin the single market and customs union.) I mean, I like Starmer, but c’mon now. Real people are suffering during this economic crisis and it’s bound to get worse when autumn comes, and no matter what Leavers say, there’s no denying Brexit exacerbated the factors. Y’all will live with this for years (same as we Americans will live with the damage of the Trump tenure for a very, very long time). So, now what? He wants to make Brexit work, and I’m like, “Okay, good luck with that.” But if you’re not planning AT ALL on rejoining the single market, then there must be some magic fairy dust there I don’t know about that will be deployed to achieve that goal. It’s not that Labour doesn’t care. They DO care, but the substance is lacking.
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