Country Ham
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Post by Country Ham on May 15, 2018 17:16:36 GMT
It's a regional thing I think. As a Canadian we would never refer to a member of the Royal Family as to having a momma nor a daddy. She is royalty now and has a mother and father. I just found it offensive. I only immigrated to the US in my mid 30s. I am Canadian and do not find it offensive. It was more the so racist thing that confused me.
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on May 15, 2018 17:19:34 GMT
Like i said earlier I didn't even recognize her name till I read the thread. I live in a small southern US town and everyone here has mommas and daddies here. I never heard anyone passed the age of 10 refer to their dads as Daddies till I moved here. What's the racist part? If she is from the south it might definitely have a stereotype attached to it. It has kind of grown on me moving here from the north and I now find it endearing. Access HOllywood is kind of an entertainment show so I guess I wouldn't be bothered by the use of a word like 'momma'. The headline of the new york times i might raise my eyebrows It's a regional thing I think. As a Canadian we would never refer to a member of the Royal Family as to having a momma nor a daddy. She is royalty now and has a mother and father. I just found it offensive. But you didn't refer to it as "undignified" in your OP ypu refered to it as "racist" and keep evading the subject when asked why. Why did you refer to it as racist?
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Post by busy on May 15, 2018 17:27:49 GMT
Good god, truly anything can become drama here. Oy.
I feel badly for Meghan. But at the same time, her family and her ex have been embarrassing her publicly ever since her relationship with Harry became known, so she's been through this rodeo before. I bet she's not that surprised, if disappointed. I bet the Royal Family isn't surprised either.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 15, 2018 17:31:02 GMT
I really don't think the usage of Momma is racist, and not that uptight/undignified enough to literally be sick to my stomach about?! Who knows, maybe this is how Meghan herself refers to her mother, as Momma? so they used it in that context. Either way, it doesn't seem like a big deal.
I thought Meghan would never be a princess? only a duchess?
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Post by gar on May 15, 2018 17:37:08 GMT
I thought Meghan would never be a princess? only a duchess? She won't be Princess Meghan, no but most likely she'll be Princess Harry Henry of Wales plus another title is likely to be given to her by the Queen. Same as Katherine isn't Princess Katherine. Edited my regal slip up.
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Post by iluvpink on May 15, 2018 17:40:42 GMT
I thought Meghan would never be a princess? only a duchess? If the Queen grants Harry a dukedom as seems likely, Meghan's title will be HRH Duchess of _________. If not she will be HRH Princess Henry of Wales. A royal Duke actually ranks higher than a prince so being a royal duchess is better than being a regular princess. The Queen's cousin is HRH the Duke of Kent. His wife is HRH the Duchess of Kent. However the Duke's younger brother is just HRH Prince Michael of Kent. HIS wife is known as HRH Princess Michael of Kent. The Duke ranks higher than his younger brother.
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Post by naby64 on May 15, 2018 17:42:50 GMT
What am I missing? You have to fill in the blanks for me or provide a link. Who writes what about a future princess? What was the so racist thing? I honesty can't read between the lines here with the blanks. I don’t know what her ‘momma’s’ name was at the time but I was disgusted that they referred to the mother of a future princess as a momma and not her mother. My dad was disgusted too. It was Access Hollywood on Facebook. I called them out on it but who am I? Why would they change it? Woah!! Step back. My mother is "momma" to me, as I am to my kids. I don't get racism.
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Post by gar on May 15, 2018 17:48:50 GMT
I don’t know what her ‘momma’s’ name was at the time but I was disgusted that they referred to the mother of a future princess as a momma and not her mother. My dad was disgusted too. It was Access Hollywood on Facebook. I called them out on it but who am I? Why would they change it? Woah!! Step back. My mother is "momma" to me, as I am to my kids. I don't get racism. You're not alone.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 17:48:53 GMT
I don’t know what her ‘momma’s’ name was at the time but I was disgusted that they referred to the mother of a future princess as a momma and not her mother. My dad was disgusted too. It was Access Hollywood on Facebook. I called them out on it but who am I? Why would they change it? Woah!! Step back. My mother is "momma" to me, as I am to my kids. I don't get racism. Right?! I'm 40 years old and have a Mama and a Daddy.
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Post by Rhondito on May 15, 2018 17:53:46 GMT
I just saw this too. Supposedly she's asked him to reconsider and now he wants to go to be a part of history and her special day IF the doctors will release him from the hospital. What a roller coaster!
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on May 15, 2018 17:56:46 GMT
I don’t know what her ‘momma’s’ name was at the time but I was disgusted that they referred to the mother of a future princess as a momma and not her mother. My dad was disgusted too. It was Access Hollywood on Facebook. I called them out on it but who am I? Why would they change it? Woah!! Step back. My mother is "momma" to me, as I am to my kids. I don't get racism. I'm confused also lol. I had NO idea "momma" was racist.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 18:01:20 GMT
I thought Meghan would never be a princess? only a duchess? If the Queen grants Harry a dukedom as seems likely, Meghan's title will be HRH Duchess of _________. If not she will be HRH Princess Henry of Wales. A royal Duke actually ranks higher than a prince so being a royal duchess is better than being a regular princess. The Queen's cousin is HRH the Duke of Kent. His wife is HRH the Duchess of Kent. However the Duke's younger brother is just HRH Prince Michael of Kent. HIS wife is known as HRH Princess Michael of Kent. The Duke ranks higher than his younger brother. The Duke of Kent inherited his title from his father as his heir and whilst he is still in line to the throne as are his children, Prince Michael of Kent is not. He gave up his right of succession when he married Marie-Christine who is catholic. He is a prince by birth though. When they carry the title as in her case -Princess Michael of Kent it's a way of distinguishing them as being a princess by marriage rather than by birth. Prince Andrew's title of Duke of York will return to the crown when he dies as he has no male heirs.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 18:03:49 GMT
I don’t know what her ‘momma’s’ name was at the time but I was disgusted that they referred to the mother of a future princess as a momma and not her mother. My dad was disgusted too. It was Access Hollywood on Facebook. I called them out on it but who am I? Why would they change it? Woah!! Step back. My mother is "momma" to me, as I am to my kids. I don't get racism. I don't either. I always think of momma as an endearing name in the same way they say mummy over here.
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2018 18:04:26 GMT
I don’t know what her ‘momma’s’ name was at the time but I was disgusted that they referred to the mother of a future princess as a momma and not her mother. My dad was disgusted too. It was Access Hollywood on Facebook. I called them out on it but who am I? Why would they change it? Woah!! Step back. My mother is "momma" to me, as I am to my kids. I don't get racism. It's a racist thing where I live. I am not getting into a battle over this but it's a term of endearment that we would not use here and it has racial undertones. She has UK citizenship so they should have written her Mum and not Momma. Anyway that's all I am going to say about it. I stand by it. I had affirmation by others here who saw it as racist as well so it wasn't just me. Peace out.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 15, 2018 18:06:34 GMT
all I have to say is-- you saw it on a US website (or TV show, I can't remember which you said). We Americans would not write- or say- Mum.
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Post by used2scrap on May 15, 2018 18:08:19 GMT
Woah!! Step back. My mother is "momma" to me, as I am to my kids. I don't get racism. I'm confused also lol. I had NO idea "momma" was racist. Perhaps if you’ve only ever heard of it in terms of “yo momma” jokes? But there are lots of folks of all persuasions in the southern US (and I’ll wager elsewhere too) that have a momma. It does seem odd to see it in a headline, unless they know indeed that’s what she calls her mother. If I recall the royals actually use mummy as their preferred term of endearment.
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Post by gar on May 15, 2018 18:09:58 GMT
If I recall the royals actually use mummy as their preferred term of endearment. Mummy is certainly a term used by some adults for their mother, not just royals. My SIL calls MIL that
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Post by gar on May 15, 2018 18:11:20 GMT
She has UK citizenship so they should have written her Mum and not Momma. She's American first and foremost.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 15, 2018 18:14:24 GMT
are you saying 'momma' is somehow racist becasue Meghan Markle is bi-racial? is her mother black? 'Momma' is just a shorthand, casual way of saying mother... maybe it's more of an 'Americanism' than anything else- but I don't see it as that disrespectful, rude, or racist. After all, she's not a princess yet. I don’t think it is appropriate. The press never would have said something like that about Katherine’s mother. It sounds like the family has some drama/issues regardless of the media, but the media is not helping at all that is for sure. They seem to be relishing In trying to make them seem as trashy as possible.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 15, 2018 18:17:05 GMT
It's a regional thing I think. As a Canadian we would never refer to a member of the Royal Family as to having a momma nor a daddy. She is royalty now and has a mother and father. I just found it offensive. But you didn't refer to it as "undignified" in your OP ypu refered to it as "racist" and keep evading the subject when asked why. Why did you refer to it as racist? I’m not sure if calling her momma was racist in itself, but the fact that they referred to her as momma seems to be stereotyping and not something they would do if the mother wasn’t black. Perhaps it is different in different parts of the country (and I don’t know where Megan is from), but to me, momma is a word that only children use for a very short time. No grown person here calls their mother momma that I am aware of. I think that is why it seems too informal for this occasion.
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Post by Chips on May 15, 2018 18:19:41 GMT
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Post by gillyp on May 15, 2018 18:33:50 GMT
If Mr Markle does take part in the wedding, I hope he gets a huge cheer from the crowds for having the guts to turn up and do it. I can’t imagine anything more terrifying for the man, no wonder he’s having (reported) palpitations.
If Harry were marrying a true, blue blooded, royal princess you can bet there would be some idiots down the pecking order wanting to stir things. Half sisters, nephews, uncles pah. They are not the important ones in this.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 15, 2018 18:52:50 GMT
I saw an article on Facebook that said "Meet Megan Markle's momma." Who the fuck writes that about a future princess. That is so racist I almost puked. This was a US site like Access Hollywood. That would be Megan Markle's mother ______ ________. I almost spat on the screen I was so livid. I'm an American. I've lived in the south most of my adult life, but I've heard mothers called "Momma" in the north as well. I've usually seen it spelled "Mama", though. "Meet Megan Markle's Mama!" Whatever. What race is being denigrated here? The American race? Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian (and more closely tied to the Brits) than being American that this seems insulting, since it's more casual language than the English proper you expect? We're Americans. We pride ourselves on garbling the Queen's English. Even if it were intended as an insult, as an insult it's pretty lame & I don't expect too many Americans care. On the other hand, if they had said "Your Mama", then we've got a fight about to go down! I hope you'll be able to enjoy watching it all. I hate to think of you upset over something so lame.
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2018 18:58:09 GMT
I saw an article on Facebook that said "Meet Megan Markle's momma." Who the fuck writes that about a future princess. That is so racist I almost puked. This was a US site like Access Hollywood. That would be Megan Markle's mother ______ ________. I almost spat on the screen I was so livid. I'm an American. I've lived in the south most of my adult life, but I've heard mothers called "Momma" in the north as well. I've usually seen it spelled "Mama", though. "Meet Megan Markle's Mama!" Whatever. What race is being denigrated here? The American race? Maybe it's the difference between being Canadian (and more closely tied to the Brits) than being American that this seems insulting, since it's more casual language than the English proper you expect? We're Americans. We pride ourselves on garbling the Queen's English. Even if it were intended as an insult, as an insult it's pretty lame & I don't expect too many Americans care. On the other hand, if they had said "Your Mama", then we've got a fight about to go down! I hope you'll be able to enjoy watching it all. I hate to think of you upset over something so lame. I will be watching and drinking tea and eating crumpets! I am not missing this one for anything!!!
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Post by leftturnonly on May 15, 2018 19:05:12 GMT
I will be watching and drinking tea and eating crumpets! I am not missing this one for anything!!!
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2018 19:10:29 GMT
I will be watching and drinking tea and eating crumpets! I am not missing this one for anything!!! First world problems: I can't get good crumpets here. There is only one brand available and they aren't good. I know where to get good strawberry jam, though!
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Post by uksue on May 15, 2018 19:12:12 GMT
I'm not going to let this be a reflection of her. What I don't understand though is I thought he was a successful camera man in the TV industry? Seems things went downhill for him. His son said Meaghan does not financially support her father. She countered that yes she does, but still I thought it an odd comment to make. A child should not have to support her youngish 60 year old father who has had a career. The fact that her half-siblings keep speaking out on her says more about them then her. It makes them look like a hot mess and only makes me think she has good reason not to have a relationship with them. I knew something was up when it was announced a couple days ago that her father would be meeting William this week. After they have dated for 2 years, after their engagement, he's just now meeting him. Clearly there was no relationship between her and her father. I don't think this has to be an embarrassing moment, the images that stay in our mind after a wedding is of the bride, not who walked her down the aisle. this story is coming from TMZ, I wouldn't hold any stock in it. Actually they fact check and are always right on the money with inside info. He's 73, which isn't that young . He also looks overweight /ill.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 15, 2018 19:16:23 GMT
I can't get good crumpets here what IS a crumpet, anyway?? I always thought it was just another name for a scone. (is it a term from a nursery rhyme, or am I thinking of a 'tuffet' lol?)
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Post by uksue on May 15, 2018 19:17:53 GMT
I'm not going to let this be a reflection of her. What I don't understand though is I thought he was a successful camera man in the TV industry? Seems things went downhill for him. His son said Meaghan does not financially support her father. She countered that yes she does, but still I thought it an odd comment to make. A child should not have to support her youngish 60 year old father who has had a career. The fact that her half-siblings keep speaking out on her says more about them then her. It makes them look like a hot mess and only makes me think she has good reason not to have a relationship with them. I knew something was up when it was announced a couple days ago that her father would be meeting William this week. After they have dated for 2 years, after their engagement, he's just now meeting him. Clearly there was no relationship between her and her father. I don't think this has to be an embarrassing moment, the images that stay in our mind after a wedding is of the bride, not who walked her down the aisle. this story is coming from TMZ, I wouldn't hold any stock in it. Actually they fact check and are always right on the money with inside info. He's 73, which isn't that young . He also looks overweight /ill.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 19:24:02 GMT
But I don't see what's so terribly embarrassing for her about any of this. I just kind of feel bad for her regarding all the family drama. From the frying pan to the fire.
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