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Post by gar on May 18, 2018 13:40:56 GMT
I kind of think it's not lovely either. It shows an us vs them mentality to me. She has to have at least one cousin, uncle, family friend SOMEONE in her life who can walk her down the aisle. Instead it's a royal wedding with all the royal etiquette that must be followed and now it's about even more royalty. . That a lot of presuming and you sound a tad peeved but maybe she doesn’t have a male relative, maybe she does and they declined, maybe she didn’t want to ask some distant cousin just because. As for being a royal wedding - well yes, as she well understood, but let’s face it none of us know how the decision was reached. Further info on the recent posts in the “Who’s excited?” thread. Sorry can’t link easilyin my phone.
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Post by Country Ham on May 18, 2018 13:48:05 GMT
I kind of think it's not lovely either. It shows an us vs them mentality to me. She has to have at least one cousin, uncle, family friend SOMEONE in her life who can walk her down the aisle. Instead it's a royal wedding with all the royal etiquette that must be followed and now it's about even more royalty. . That a lot of presuming and you sound a tad peeved but maybe she doesn’t have a male relative, maybe she does and they declined, maybe she didn’t want to ask some distant cousin just because. As for being a royal wedding - well yes, as she well understood, but let’s face it none of us know how the decision was reached. Sorry not peeved. I didn't even know her name till this thread. It did make me roll my eyes. I never said distant cousin. I stand by the fact I can't believe she doesn't have anyone in her life, be it a cousin, uncle or even really close friend that can walk her down the aisle. Then I admitted that my family/friends were all too scared to travel to my wedding so I didn't have anyone. I might be wrong but I don't believe she doesn't have anyone close to her coming to her wedding. Maybe I am wrong though, she may not have anyone special in her life as far as friends/family go.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 18, 2018 14:07:48 GMT
IMHO as a Brit, Meghan’s family drama pales in comparison to the lying and cheating Charles did to Diana when Camilla was his mistress. The Royal family have got where they are today through hundreds of years of fighting, blackmail, lies, murders, cheating, etc. I really don’t think anyone should be worried about a poorly thought out photo shoot - least of all Meghan. Not sure it even registers on the Scandal-Meter. Lord only knows what nut jobs would come out of the cracks if by some miracle I was famous and married a prince! lol!!! Just sitting here thinking of some of the characters that would show up if I were to marry a prince. And that's not even counting any peas!
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Post by Rhondito on May 18, 2018 14:24:50 GMT
Perhaps her mum would have been overwhelmed with doing it with such worldwide focus. I think it’s a nice alternative, as you say 🙂 Given the timing of the announcement (after her mother's arrival in Windsor) I wonder if Meghan came to this decision after discussing it with her mother? The reports I've read say Meghan asked Charles to walk her down the aisle (of course, that could just be the story they're putting out), so maybe her mother wasn't comfortable doing it?
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Post by leftturnonly on May 18, 2018 14:30:42 GMT
It's a racist thing where I live. I am not getting into a battle over this but it's a term of endearment that we would not use here and it has racial undertones. She has UK citizenship so they should have written her Mum and not Momma. But neither she nor her family-to-be are from where you are, and it's definitely not a racial thing here. At least that explains why you felt so strongly about it. Perhaps it is different in different parts of the country (and I don’t know where Megan is from), but to me, momma is a word that only children use for a very short time. No grown person here calls their mother momma that I am aware of. I think that is why it seems too informal for this occasion. Girrrl! Spend some time in Texas. That'll learn ya right quick! what IS a crumpet, anyway?? I always thought it was just another name for a scone. (is it a term from a nursery rhyme, or am I thinking of a 'tuffet' lol?) After having a great time discussing that here with our resident Brits, I finally got to try crumpets last summer. They are definitely not scones! Nor are the biscuits (American), nor cookies, nor English muffins.... They were unique to anything I'd ever had before.
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Post by gar on May 18, 2018 15:02:32 GMT
That a lot of presuming and you sound a tad peeved but maybe she doesn’t have a male relative, maybe she does and they declined, maybe she didn’t want to ask some distant cousin just because. As for being a royal wedding - well yes, as she well understood, but let’s face it none of us know how the decision was reached. Sorry not peeved. I didn't even know her name till this thread. It did make me roll my eyes. I never said distant cousin. I stand by the fact I can't believe she doesn't have anyone in her life, be it a cousin, uncle or even really close friend that can walk her down the aisle. Then I admitted that my family/friends were all too scared to travel to my wedding so I didn't have anyone. I might be wrong but I don't believe she doesn't have anyone close to her coming to her wedding. Maybe I am wrong though, she may not have anyone special in her life as far as friends/family go. My ‘distant cousin’ was just a term, meaning that just because she may have such a male family member it doesn’t mean they want to be involved or that she wants them to have such a significant role in her big day. It seemed you were implying that the Royals got their way when that might not have been the case at all. That was all I was trying to say 🙂
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Post by leftturnonly on May 18, 2018 15:12:12 GMT
It's also possible that this is simply the path of least resistance for her...get someone to step in who won't screw it up. Easiest to get another member of the Royals even if you don't really want that. This close to the wedding, I suspect there is very little 'choice' in it for anyone...just get the closest and most able person to step up. It's not like they would let her walk down the aisle on her own. Sounds like a good plan. A scone is your biscuit, I think, except we usually add sugar and fruit to ours and have them oozing clotted cream and strawberry jam. Yum! No, scones are much denser than our biscuits. Different texture entirely. Good explanations though It must be very easy to mix them up for our American peas. It's similar to trying to explain American biscuits to y'all. Some things you just need to experience for yourself. Maybe an English muffin is the Americanized 'version' of a crumpet? (our English muffins are STILL really good, though. lol) And I could still swear there's a nursery rhyme that talks about crumpets. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! (or maybe there's not... but there should be-- ha!) ETA: English muffins are full of holes on the inside ('nooks and crannies' for the butter, according to Thomas's English Muffins advertising-- lol!) And if they're GOOD ones, you can just open them up with a fork; you don't have to slice them. Crumpets look closest to an English muffin, but that's where the similarity starts and ends. Crumpets are denser and chewier, and I found them far more filling. (Meaning, they fill you up faster.) They should have been using the same language as they would for any other royal member but yet they tried to make her sound like a commoner. Fair point. The crumpet looks like a toasted dumpling. The kind of dumpling I used to get at the local Czech place with my goulash. I can't imagine a toasted dumpling, but I'm thinking that they probably aren't all that similar. (Now, I want goulash and Czech toasted dumplings so I can judge for myself!) I was only addressing the assertion that momma/mama is racist or as the poster I referenced said, "stereotyping" because Meghan's mom is black. I was pointing out all races/ages use the term as a term of affection. As to the rest of it, maybe it was casual and a bit irreverent but *that* wasn't the assertion made in the particular post I was answering. I care so much about the Royals that I didn't even know that her mother is black. I can understand a little better why racism was questioned. Still, all in all, I know so many people of different races who call their mother mama that it's hardly something showing clear bias in and of itself. The only way to know for certain is to have another American offer herself up to marry another royal in a spectacular way and see what the press has to say. Any peas willing to make the sacrifice? And now her dad is definitely out - he is having heart surgery tomorrow. What an incredibly sad time for him to need such serious surgery. Whatever the gossip, this man must be going through a wild roller coaster of emotions.
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Post by leftturnonly on May 18, 2018 15:21:30 GMT
(Moved this from the othe thread ‘cause I got thread lost...) Just to kick the “Mama” horse some more: To the people saying they call their mother “Mama,” I think that‘s entirely different from “her mama,” “your mama,” etc. In some areas or cultures, both are done, but in vast areas, including mine, they are not. I called my father “Daddy” his whole life but I would think it quite bizarre if someone had asked me “How’s your daddy?,” let alone referred to “Amelia’s daddy” in a headline about adult me. My guess is California girl Megan Markle would think it equally odd. So yes, racial cultural stereotypes could be in play here. Recovered memory horse kicking: When President Bush made his first remarks after the September 11 attack, he referred to “the folks” who committed the attacks. As someone who had never used the word “folks” in my life, I remember wincing. To me, it sounded so casual… so (forgive me) folksy for such a serious event, but in the South it might not even be noticed. That night I watched a roundtable discussion on the BBC news. The American on the panel mentioned the president’s “folks” and said it was inappropriate. The Brits demurred, saying it was just an Americanism. Pretty funny, considering they were telling an American how Americans talk. (And yes, I know it happens in reverse.) It is quite common to ask someone how their mama is around here. Race is irrelevant to the question. My father lived his entire life on the east coast. Folks was a word he used fairly often. It sounded completely natural to me to hear President Bush use that word.
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Post by hop2 on May 18, 2018 15:27:38 GMT
IMHO as a Brit, Meghan’s family drama pales in comparison to the lying and cheating Charles did to Diana when Camilla was his mistress. The Royal family have got where they are today through hundreds of years of fighting, blackmail, lies, murders, cheating, etc. I really don’t think anyone should be worried about a poorly thought out photo shoot - least of all Meghan. Not sure it even registers on the Scandal-Meter. Lord only knows what nut jobs would come out of the cracks if by some miracle I was famous and married a prince! lol!!! Just sitting here thinking of some of the characters that would show up if I were to marry a prince. And that's not even counting any peas! We could all ‘show up’ some how some way lol out of the woodwork indeed ROTFLOL
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Post by leftturnonly on May 18, 2018 15:29:17 GMT
We could all ‘show up’ some how some way lol out of the woodwork indeed ROTFLOL I'd expect nothing less.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 15:39:53 GMT
Hahaha why the hostility! No response required *winks* I can't assume her support system is solid but from your vantage point you know their marriage will end in divorce. Well alright. Hostility That's rich coming from you!! I think you are reading through the filter of your own posting style. You throw out a statement about her "solid support system" when just about every media article is about the turmoil in her family life and the evidence that no-one wants to walk her down the aisle. So I asked you who those people are...because there is no evidence that any such group exists. The only people that seem to be supporting her are her husband's family, and she's known most of them for a very short time. So clearly you are just making stuff up now. I didn't say I "know" anything. I did say "IMHO" ...and as the person who is always telling everyone else here what they think and how to think, you of all people shouldn't be surprised at anyone having an opinion. I said I don't think it will last, not "I know" it won't. There's a difference. Possibly too subtle for you though.
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Post by alsomsknit on May 18, 2018 15:41:39 GMT
I think it's lovely the more I think of it Really? It just makes me sad for her. That her family couldn't even get it together for one day to do this for her without creating a shit storm. We are just commoners. However, my future FIL walked me down the aisle at my request. None of my family attended my wedding. The day I married my husband, I was given the most wonderful Dad. He had been more of a father to me in the first few years of marriage than my biological parent. He had the 2 sons. So, walking me down the aisle was something he never thought he would do. He thinks of me as his daughter. The man walks on water, as far as I am concerned. I love him dearly! MM’s family sounds like a hot mess. Hopefully, she will be as fortunate in her FIL as I have been with mine.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 15:43:15 GMT
What an incredibly sad time for him to need such serious surgery. There is no evidence that he had had or is having surgery...he's been photographed several times making runs for fast food such as MacDonald's and KFC sine this supposed "surgery". So either he didn't have it, or it was so minor that he's already out and about. Either way, if he's got heart problems, he certainly isn't following doctors advice about his diet.
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Post by Olan on May 18, 2018 15:45:31 GMT
Hahaha why the hostility! No response required *winks* I can't assume her support system is solid but from your vantage point you know their marriage will end in divorce. Well alright. Hostility That's rich coming from you!! I think you are reading through the filter of your own posting style. You throw out a statement about her "solid support system" when just about every media article is about the turmoil in her family life and the evidence that no-one wants to walk her down the aisle. So I asked you who those people are...because there is no evidence that any such group exists. The only people that seem to be supporting her are her husband's family, and she's known most of them for a very short time. So clearly you are just making stuff up now. I didn't say I "know" anything. I did say "IMHO" ...and as the person who is always telling everyone else here what they think and how to think, you of all people shouldn't be surprised at anyone having an opinion. I said I don't think it will last, not "I know" it won't. There's a difference. Possibly too subtle for you though. There is absolutely nothing subtle about you or your royal wedding commentary LOL. Have a great weekend!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 15:45:52 GMT
(Moved this from the othe thread ‘cause I got thread lost...) Just to kick the “Mama” horse some more: To the people saying they call their mother “Mama,” I think that‘s entirely different from “her mama,” “your mama,” etc. In some areas or cultures, both are done, but in vast areas, including mine, they are not. I called my father “Daddy” his whole life but I would think it quite bizarre if someone had asked me “How’s your daddy?,” let alone referred to “Amelia’s daddy” in a headline about adult me. My guess is California girl Megan Markle would think it equally odd. So yes, racial cultural stereotypes could be in play here. Recovered memory horse kicking: When President Bush made his first remarks after the September 11 attack, he referred to “the folks” who committed the attacks. As someone who had never used the word “folks” in my life, I remember wincing. To me, it sounded so casual… so (forgive me) folksy for such a serious event, but in the South it might not even be noticed. That night I watched a roundtable discussion on the BBC news. The American on the panel mentioned the president’s “folks” and said it was inappropriate. The Brits demurred, saying it was just an Americanism. Pretty funny, considering they were telling an American how Americans talk. (And yes, I know it happens in reverse.) It is quite common to ask someone how their mama is around here. Race is irrelevant to the question. My father lived his entire life on the east coast. Folks was a word he used fairly often. It sounded completely natural to me to hear President Bush use that word. I even use folks sometimes I also use guys quite often - so much easier than the long " come on girls and boys get moving" as I don't like the word kids for children
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Post by wordfish on May 18, 2018 15:47:31 GMT
What an incredibly sad time for him to need such serious surgery. There is no evidence that he had had or is having surgery...he's been photographed several times making runs for fast food such as MacDonald's and KFC sine this supposed "surgery". So either he didn't have it, or it was so minor that he's already out and about. Either way, if he's got heart problems, he certainly isn't following doctors advice about his diet. Fair point about the advice, but are the photos since he had the heart cath procedure? I had thought they preceded it. SaveSave
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 15:53:31 GMT
There is absolutely nothing subtle about you or your royal wedding commentary See, I knew you missed it. Nice try at the passive aggressive though...shame it is wasted on me.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 16:03:20 GMT
Fair point about the advice, but are the photos since he had the heart cath procedure? I had thought they preceded it Well according to the media who were camped out at his house (which is a whole other issue)...they are the ones reporting that on the day he was claiming to be in hospital that he didn't leave his house and they are saying those photos were taken after he claimed to have had his "heart attack" Chest pains from being upset and "popping valium" for them sounds much more like anxiety/panic attacks than cardiac chest pain. Angina isn't generally treated with copious amount of valium.
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Post by Olan on May 18, 2018 16:08:06 GMT
There is absolutely nothing subtle about you or your royal wedding commentary See, I knew you missed it. Nice try at the passive aggressive though...shame it is wasted on me. The only thing I didn't waste on you is any more time. Even though I am not marrying a prince this weekend my idea of time well spent doesn't involve going back and forth with you about which of us is right in our assumptions. I think Meghan Markle has a solid support system and you think her marriage will end in divorce. Only one of us sounds bitter pjaye
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Post by leftturnonly on May 18, 2018 16:24:41 GMT
I even use folks sometimes I also use guys quite often - so much easier than the long " come on girls and boys get moving" as I don't like the word kids for children Next thing you know, "y'all" will be slipping out of your mouth. Well according to the media who were camped out at his house (which is a whole other issue)...they are the ones reporting that on the day he was claiming to be in hospital that he didn't leave his house and they are saying those photos were taken after he claimed to have had his "heart attack" OK, well.... clearly I can't put myself in this man's shoes, nor have I roused a single hair of curiosity that caused me to bother to find out anything about him. So, I'll just consider him at least semi-human and facing a wild range of emotions today... for whatever reason, whether they are of his own making or not.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 16:32:22 GMT
think Meghan Markle has a solid support system She has no-one from her own personal life to walk her down the aisle on her wedding day and has to rely on her husband-to-be's family. Yep, REALLY strong support system there. But let's not let those pesky facts get in the way of Olan's favourite princess fantasy life. I'm still waiting for that list of her close friends and family that you know are so strong and there for her...guess I won't hold my breath.
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Post by Olan on May 18, 2018 16:48:56 GMT
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/18/europe/royal-wedding-update-intl/index.html"(CNN) Meghan Markle will make a striking feminist statement in her wedding to Prince Harry on Saturday, choosing not to be chaperoned for much of the procession down the aisle of St. George's Chapel, Windsor, CNN has learned. In an unprecedented step for a royal bride in the UK, Markle will walk unescorted down the aisle of the chapel nave, after being met at the West Door by a member of the clergy. She will be accompanied in this first part of the wedding procession only by her bridesmaids and page boys, with the senior church figure walking ahead. Prince Charles will join her when she reaches the Quire, where the main royal guests will be seated. The Prince -- Harry's father -- will walk Markle down the Quire aisle to the foot of the altar." But Charles will not give her away to her husband-to-be in the traditional sense; instead, he will stand back as Markle approaches Prince Harry. CNN understands that Markle came up with the plan herself. It was always the intention that her father Thomas would meet her at the Quire and she would walk the first part alone. Ill health has since prevented him from coming. Both Charles and Harry are delighted with the plan, CNN understands.
No other royal bride in the UK has walked unescorted down the aisle at their wedding ceremony. Markle's decision indicates that she wishes to assert herself as a strong, independent woman who is prepared to challenge royal norms.
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Post by joelise on May 18, 2018 16:57:32 GMT
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/18/europe/royal-wedding-update-intl/index.html"(CNN) Meghan Markle will make a striking feminist statement in her wedding to Prince Harry on Saturday, choosing not to be chaperoned for much of the procession down the aisle of St. George's Chapel, Windsor, CNN has learned. In an unprecedented step for a royal bride in the UK, Markle will walk unescorted down the aisle of the chapel nave, after being met at the West Door by a member of the clergy. She will be accompanied in this first part of the wedding procession only by her bridesmaids and page boys, with the senior church figure walking ahead. Prince Charles will join her when she reaches the Quire, where the main royal guests will be seated. The Prince -- Harry's father -- will walk Markle down the Quire aisle to the foot of the altar." But Charles will not give her away to her husband-to-be in the traditional sense; instead, he will stand back as Markle approaches Prince Harry. CNN understands that Markle came up with the plan herself. It was always the intention that her father Thomas would meet her at the Quire and she would walk the first part alone. Ill health has since prevented him from coming. Both Charles and Harry are delighted with the plan, CNN understands.
No other royal bride in the UK has walked unescorted down the aisle at their wedding ceremony. Markle's decision indicates that she wishes to assert herself as a strong, independent woman who is prepared to challenge royal norms. Good for her! She’s brave though! All those young bridesmaids and Paige boys!
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 18, 2018 17:09:45 GMT
Toasted dumplings: I’d like to try one too. The dumpling I described with Czech goulash was not toasted. But the size and texture looks like a crumpet, except the crumpet looks toasted or grilled.
MM family (or lack of): As the child of divorce and an American, I don’t find it unusual that she doesn’t have a male relative to walk her down the aisle. I would be hard pressed as well, and I have a living father and older brother. I last saw my father in 1980 and my brother in 1984. If her mother wasn’t comfortable, I say walk it on your own as the modern, adult woman you are. It’s 2018, she’s 36, I think we can dispel with the notion anyone is “giving her away.”
Family support: Sometimes you make your own family. Blood is not thicker than water when we’re talking about people that have your back.
Dysfunctional families: truthfully, the royals may have money and titles, but I also think they win the dysfunction prize as well. The Markle family are amateurs in that realm.
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Post by Rhondito on May 18, 2018 17:41:00 GMT
Fair point about the advice, but are the photos since he had the heart cath procedure? I had thought they preceded it Well according to the media who were camped out at his house (which is a whole other issue)...they are the ones reporting that on the day he was claiming to be in hospital that he didn't leave his house and they are saying those photos were taken after he claimed to have had his "heart attack" Chest pains from being upset and "popping valium" for them sounds much more like anxiety/panic attacks than cardiac chest pain. Angina isn't generally treated with copious amount of valium.
He didn't claim to have heart surgery that day. He was hospitalized earlier this week and had his heart surgery Wednesday. There have been no photos of him out and about this week eating fast food or anything else.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 18:04:12 GMT
He claimed to have had a heart attack...but didn't go to any hospital on the dates he said. So how was it diagnosed if he didn't leave the house? Plus the fast food was still after the claimed heart attack. If he had a heart attack and was in hospital, he would have received a ton of information about lifestyle and diet.
He's the one providing the updates and none of it makes sense medically. And it's pretty shitty that he keeps blaming this supposed cardiac condition on his kids. The first time he claimed it was because the daughter spoke out in the media, the second one he says was due to a letter written by his son. Yeah nothing at all to do with his crappy diet...it's all his children's fault that he's unwell.
He's clearly not a good parent and I wouldn't believe anything he claims to have happened. .
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Post by wordfish on May 18, 2018 18:18:40 GMT
He claimed to have had a heart attack...but didn't go to any hospital on the dates he said. So how was it diagnosed if he didn't leave the house? Plus the fast food was still after the claimed heart attack. If he had a heart attack and was in hospital, he would have received a ton of information about lifestyle and diet. He's the one providing the updates and none of it makes sense medically. And it's pretty shitty that he keeps blaming this supposed cardiac condition on his kids. The first time he claimed it was because the daughter spoke out in the media, the second one he says was due to a letter written by his son. Yeah nothing at all to do with his crappy diet...it's all his children's fault that he's unwell. He's clearly not a good parent and I wouldn't believe anything he claims to have happened. . I saw that stuff about him not leaving the house the day he claims to have gone to the hospital. The truth is, as you say, we don't really know. I don't know--but you also don't know. I have no reason to believe some random internet reports over what TMZ is reporting--in fact, TMZ actually has a generally better track record than random internet reports. But for all we all know, he is chugging vodka in his bathtub and making all of it up. In terms of information he did/didn't receive in the hospital--who knows? He would have here in an American hospital, but for all we know it was a hospital in Mexico, plus he said he checked out AMA anyway. Plus it doesn't matter--he already knows what to eat/not eat. He's an intelligent fella. We're not going to find the truth in internet reports and possibly not even in statements Mr. Markle makes himself. I don't particularly think his parenting is very good either at this point. Apparently it was in the past, at least according to what Meghan Markle has written. The whole thing is just completely cringeworthy, start to finish. My personal opinion is that there is something that is often almost alluded to but not stated outright: He has an alcohol or substance abuse problem. That's his business and I don't know for sure if he does or doesn't, but since we are all speculating anyway, that is mine. It would explain a lot of things that have happened that are not in dispute. If it's not something like that, then there is something else going on that we are not privy to--which is fine, it's none of our business. But there's no way we are getting the whole story. SaveSave
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Post by Rhondito on May 18, 2018 18:24:49 GMT
He claimed to have had a heart attack...but didn't go to any hospital on the dates he said. So how was it diagnosed if he didn't leave the house? He may not have gone to the hospital at the time? I don't recall when he claimed he had the heart attack, not when it occurred, but when he revealed it. Was it before or after his hospitalization this week? I know tests can reveal evidence of prior heart attacks.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 18:24:54 GMT
But there's no way we are getting the whole story I agree. But I'm not buying into this whole, "OMG her poor Dad had a heart attack and can't walk her down the aisle" bullshit that they seem to want us to swallow hook line and sinker. At this stage if he does or doesn't have a cardiac issue - that's not the main reason he isn't going to be there.
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Post by wordfish on May 18, 2018 18:40:17 GMT
Oh yeah, this was a messed up situation. If he really went to the hospital last week as he said he did, he could have just told her and then the cath would be done and over with and the decision made and announced without all of this huge drama. I doubt they would have let him travel even if he had it last week, but assuming that's all true--the real issue is that he talked to the press about it instead of letting Meghan handle the news and announcements through her PR people. Not to mention that he apparently took his horrid idiot eldest daughter's advice about how to handle ANYTHING. Hopefully once the wedding hoopla dies down she will crawl back into her hole and sulk. Or fester. What a piece of work between her and the brother. Yuck. Thank God for Meghan's mom.
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