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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:21:00 GMT
Maybe not racial, although I do think there was a little there and I’m the least likely person to call racism. But it’s not as classy as mother, so I think there was something negative behind it. They should have been using the same language as they would for any other royal member but yet they tried to make her sound like a commoner. Again that’s just my opinion. I personally think the press is vile. I saw an article on Facebook that said "Meet Megan Markle's momma." Who the fuck writes that about a future princess. That is so racist I almost puked. This was a US site like Access Hollywood. That would be Megan Markle's mother ______ ________. I almost spat on the screen I was so livid. Her sources are gossipy type sites not exactly the Press though. Yes in this example. But these days people hold more interest in what trashy tabloids say than real news. Heck I can’t believe how sensationalist our local “news” has become. News is all the same now, tabloids and supposed news statins all reporting the same stuff. There’s no intregity now.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 15, 2018 22:32:02 GMT
But right now she IS a commoner-- until Saturday, when she will become royalty.
I personally have no problem with them making her sound like a 'commoner' and making her more 'approachable' to us quote-unquote little people. It's like every 'prince whisks you off your feet' fairy tale you've ever heard- prince meets commoner (okay, she's a movie/TV actress, but still...), he falls head-over-heels, and bam! she's becoming a princess! There's nothing inherently disrespectful about that approach, in my opinion.
(and local news, at least here, hasn't BEEN 'journalistic' news for a long time-- it's all about what can grab your attention to get ratings. That's typically sensational-sounding headlines and teasers.)
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Post by tduby1 on May 15, 2018 23:12:58 GMT
I've heard mama/momma affectionately used pretty universally by all age groups. I really not seeing racism OR stereotyping. I feel like I am really missing something here. Yes we can use the term affectionately, but I don’t think the media knows her mother on a personal level to be affectionately using the term momma. I can’t imagine ever referring to another person’s mother as a momma other than if we’re joking around. It’s one thing if all the royals used that term, but they don’t. We may not use mum in North America but the press has to know that there is a classier way to refer to someone other than momma. In my circles we don’t use the term momma other than when we’re joking. I was only addressing the assertion that momma/mama is racist or as the poster I referenced said, "stereotyping" because Meghan's mom is black. I was pointing out all races/ages use the term as a term of affection. As to the rest of it, maybe it was casual and a bit irreverent but *that* wasn't the assertion made in the particular post I was answering.
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Post by peasapie on May 15, 2018 23:23:25 GMT
Back to the op... Does anyone else feel that Meghan and Harry should have been more responsible in gradually introducing her father into this situation rather than to expect him to just show up the week of and walk her down the aisle? There is no excuse in my mind, why the father and Harry have not even met yet. Of course, this is overwhelming for him, and I'm sure that even if his health was better, he would be extremely uncomfortable and probably feel even a little unwelcome. It's just a broken family unit that they were hoping they could hide long enough for a Cinderella princess wedding and then go back to their absent relationship. Sad. That sounds like a great idea... But if her family is as wacky as mine, it wouldn't have made any difference and would just have caused even more drama. Sadly, if they are like this before the wedding, it's not going to stop once Meghan and Harry say their vows. The sister, dad and her great aunt tilly will be entertaining paparazzi indefinitely. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 23:33:01 GMT
The Duke of Kent inherited his title from his father as his heir and whilst he is still in line to the throne as are his children, Prince Michael of Kent is not. He gave up his right of succession when he married Marie-Christine who is catholic. He is a prince by birth though. When they carry the title as in her case -Princess Michael of Kent it's a way of distinguishing them as being a princess by marriage rather than by birth. Prince Andrew's title of Duke of York will return to the crown when he dies as he has no male heirs. The changes they made before George was born does not apply to lower ranks of nobility, but just to heirs to the throne? Interesting A Duke is male title so unless they have a male heir then there's no one to pass the title to.They only have the title of Duchess when they are married to a Duke. It isn't a stand alone title. The immediate line to the throne is something quite difference and wasn't about being male as such. It was changed so that a female wouldn't be passed by in preference to any male sons that were born after her so she wouldn't move down the pecking order.
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Post by Rhondito on May 15, 2018 23:37:15 GMT
And now her dad is definitely out - he is having heart surgery tomorrow. Here's the LINK from the oh so reliable TMZ. Such a pity the surgery issue didn't come up before all the posed photo business, then it would've just looked as if he couldn't attend because of health reasons without all the other drama. I've been sitting her reading through all the posts and it occurred to me that this wedding is reminding me a bit of the Reese Witherspoon movie, "Sweet Home Alabama"
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Post by scrappinmama on May 15, 2018 23:37:23 GMT
Yes we can use the term affectionately, but I don’t think the media knows her mother on a personal level to be affectionately using the term momma. I can’t imagine ever referring to another person’s mother as a momma other than if we’re joking around. It’s one thing if all the royals used that term, but they don’t. We may not use mum in North America but the press has to know that there is a classier way to refer to someone other than momma. In my circles we don’t use the term momma other than when we’re joking. I was only addressing the assertion that momma/mama is racist or as the poster I referenced said, "stereotyping" because Meghan's mom is black. I was pointing out all races/ages use the term as a term of affection. As to the rest of it, maybe it was casual and a bit irreverent but *that* wasn't the assertion made in the particular post I was answering. Yes. I'm Mexican American. Mama is used and not racist. See my pea name.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 23:58:04 GMT
In this example I think using Momma potentially trying to draw attention to her race or class. From what I’ve read the media has been saying some aweful stuff so why should this surprise us. I’m white, I joke with my kids sometimes using “your momma” when referring to myself but if I am talking about my mother to the public, it’s mother. Momma is a casual term, around here’s its a casual reference, it’s even considered low class. Which is why I feel like the article in question referring to Meghan’s mother as momma is offensive. I can’t image they would ever refer to Katherine’s mother as “momma” so yes, it’s insulting. Just my opinion. An American publisher isn't likely to refer to a British mother as a momma though, so no they wouldn't use it for Katherine's mother. They would probably use mummy. I think you have to consider the source though. Most gossip publications are somewhat, what shall we say - informal in their reporting. It's no different to other American publications that refer to the Duchess of Cambridge as Princess Kate!!
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 16, 2018 0:45:17 GMT
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Post by AnotherPea on May 16, 2018 1:11:39 GMT
Like i said earlier I didn't even recognize her name till I read the thread. I live in a small southern US town and everyone here has mommas and daddies here. I never heard anyone passed the age of 10 refer to their dads as Daddies till I moved here. What's the racist part? If she is from the south it might definitely have a stereotype attached to it. It has kind of grown on me moving here from the north and I now find it endearing. Access HOllywood is kind of an entertainment show so I guess I wouldn't be bothered by the use of a word like 'momma'. The headline of the new york times i might raise my eyebrows It's a regional thing I think. As a Canadian we would never refer to a member of the Royal Family as to having a momma nor a daddy. She is royalty now and has a mother and father. I just found it offensive. ROFL! She's royalty now so she's too good to call her mother "momma?" That's priceless. I guess she shits pure gold too?
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Post by Layce on May 16, 2018 1:13:18 GMT
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Post by Rhondito on May 16, 2018 1:25:22 GMT
Oh man, this extended family arrival article is hilarious, especially the comments section Those comments are hilarious!
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Post by used2scrap on May 16, 2018 1:39:09 GMT
Trying to imagine this as a pea thread: OMG I’m getting married Saturday, and my Aunt in Law and cousins I haven’t seen in over 20 years just showed up uninvited! They even gave an interview in the local paper, with pictures and everything. It’s a nightmare!”
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 5:10:14 GMT
It's a regional thing I think. As a Canadian we would never refer to a member of the Royal Family as to having a momma nor a daddy. She is royalty now and has a mother and father. I just found it offensive. ROFL! She's royalty now so she's too good to call her mother "momma?" That's priceless. I guess she shits pure gold too? She can call her momma whatever she wants to. It’s how others address her mother that is being discussed.
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Post by Country Ham on May 16, 2018 12:35:53 GMT
I saw an article on Facebook that said "Meet Megan Markle's momma." Who the fuck writes that about a future princess. That is so racist I almost puked. This was a US site like Access Hollywood. That would be Megan Markle's mother ______ ________. I almost spat on the screen I was so livid. I am not sure we ever got a clear answer from Elannah that I saw. What exactly is "so racist" about calling her mother a momma. You said you almost spat on the screen you were so livid, you almost puked it was so racist. I saw further comments about it being too familiar, too common etc but what is so racist about it?
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Post by Zee on May 16, 2018 14:42:02 GMT
I saw an article on Facebook that said "Meet Megan Markle's momma." Who the fuck writes that about a future princess. That is so racist I almost puked. This was a US site like Access Hollywood. That would be Megan Markle's mother ______ ________. I almost spat on the screen I was so livid. I am not sure we ever got a clear answer from Elannah that I saw. What exactly is "so racist" about calling her mother a momma. You said you almost spat on the screen you were so livid, you almost puked it was so racist. I saw further comments about it being too familiar, too common etc but what is so racist about it? I think you know very well that she's thinking it's like "mammy" and that stereotype Aunt Jemima. That said, I think in the context of this being an American infotainment site, you can expect less formal language and an attempt to sound more hip by using a common term of endearment such as momma rather than mother. If it were Kate's mother I'm sure they would have went with mummy. This isn't a more formal news site where I would expect "mother" to be used. Not racist, but let's not completely dismiss what elannah was saying even though I think it was an overreaction based on not understanding that it's a common term of endearment will over the US and just an informal way of saying mom.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 16:27:40 GMT
Looks like a crumpet is what we call an English muffin? Lol at the tuffet! No, it is more like a cross between a pancake and a waffle, but dense. Nothing like an english muffin.
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Post by gillyp on May 18, 2018 9:16:46 GMT
It looks like Prince Charles will be accompanying Meghan down the aisle. The more I think about it, the more I like it as it seems to cement the family's welcoming of her even though I thought it odd at first.
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Post by gar on May 18, 2018 9:19:05 GMT
It looks like Prince Charles will be accompanying Meghan down the aisle. The more I think about it, the more I like it as it seems to cement the family's welcoming of her even though I thought it odd at first. Perhaps her mum would have been overwhelmed with doing it with such worldwide focus. I think it’s a nice alternative, as you say 🙂
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Post by gillyp on May 18, 2018 9:27:13 GMT
It looks like Prince Charles will be accompanying Meghan down the aisle. The more I think about it, the more I like it as it seems to cement the family's welcoming of her even though I thought it odd at first. Perhaps her mum would have been overwhelmed with doing it with such worldwide focus. I think it’s a nice alternative, as you say 🙂 I agree. I think it would be utterly overwhelming for anyone not used to this sort of attention; even more so if you've only recently met everyone. Mr Middleton made a darned good job of it for the Cambridges.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 9:50:15 GMT
It looks like Prince Charles will be accompanying Meghan down the aisle. The more I think about it, the more I like it as it seems to cement the family's welcoming of her even though I thought it odd at first. Perhaps her mum would have been overwhelmed with doing it with such worldwide focus. I think it’s a nice alternative, as you say 🙂 I feel the same way. I can't imagine how " exposed" she would be, I'd be horrified if I had to do the same. I think it's lovely the more I think of it, under the circumstances. It will also be a support to Meghan too, from someone who knows the "ropes" so to speak.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 9:56:42 GMT
I think it's lovely the more I think of it Really? It just makes me sad for her. That her family couldn't even get it together for one day to do this for her without creating a shit storm.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 10:10:33 GMT
I think it's lovely the more I think of it Really? It just makes me sad for her. That her family couldn't even get it together for one day to do this for her without creating a shit storm. Yes, it is sad but it's still a lovely gesture that they stepped in rather than let her " float" on her own out there. It's lovely under the circumstances is what I said. I have no idea who her extended family is or if she has any. There is a possibility that she has no uncles or godfathers that would normally step in at times like this to call on and that is why she has asked Prince Charles to do so.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 10:14:47 GMT
It's also possible that this is simply the path of least resistance for her...get someone to step in who won't screw it up. Easiest to get another member of the Royals even if you don't really want that.
This close to the wedding, I suspect there is very little 'choice' in it for anyone...just get the closest and most able person to step up. It's not like they would let her walk down the aisle on her own.
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Post by Olan on May 18, 2018 11:28:40 GMT
I think it's lovely the more I think of it Really? It just makes me sad for her. That her family couldn't even get it together for one day to do this for her without creating a shit storm. If she doesn't consider them family why would she feel slighted that they can't "get it together". It looks like she has a pretty solid support system. I bet she would have gladly walked down the aisle alone to marry her prince.
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Post by pjaye on May 18, 2018 11:39:57 GMT
I bet she would have gladly walked down the aisle alone to marry her prince. Well - she isn't going to...so I guess you're wrong there.
Who? Doesn't look like she has any family members in the wedding party. So who is this "solid support system"? that you know all about that the rest of us don't?
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Post by Country Ham on May 18, 2018 12:14:01 GMT
I think it's lovely the more I think of it Really? It just makes me sad for her. That her family couldn't even get it together for one day to do this for her without creating a shit storm. I kind of think it's not lovely either. It shows an us vs them mentality to me. She has to have at least one cousin, uncle, family friend SOMEONE in her life who can walk her down the aisle. Instead it's a royal wedding with all the royal etiquette that must be followed and now it's about even more royalty. I have told my immigration story here before but I never presume anyone should remember it. Long story somewhat short. When you immigrated to the USA on a K1 visa (enter as the fiancee of a US citizen) you have to be married in a certain number of days. My interview for that VISA was set at the US consulate for Sept 12, 2011 in Montreal Quebec. I arrived in Montreal on the 11th. You recognize these dates right? So I get my VISA and I move to the states a week or so later and set a wedding date. Airline tickets are purchased for family, my MOH and bridesmaids. Low and behold the US declares war on afghanistan. 2 weeks before my wedding I start getting phone calls and everyone admitted they were scared to come to the US between the recent 9/11 events and war in the middle east. My husband's sister stepped in as Maid of Honor and I did know someone pretty decently to ask her to be the bridesmaid. I only did it so hubby's friend could still stand there with him. Who walked me down the aisles? No one. We talked it over, i had offers from brother in laws to be, father in law to be etc. But what I went with was the 2 bridesmaid in front as tradition, then when they were up front and I was half way down the church aisle my husband walked up and met me half way and we walked down together hand in hand. 6 months later all my folks/friends came to stay with us and we probably had more fun showing them the sites etc.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 18, 2018 13:02:59 GMT
(Moved this from the othe thread ‘cause I got thread lost...)
Just to kick the “Mama” horse some more: To the people saying they call their mother “Mama,” I think that‘s entirely different from “her mama,” “your mama,” etc. In some areas or cultures, both are done, but in vast areas, including mine, they are not. I called my father “Daddy” his whole life but I would think it quite bizarre if someone had asked me “How’s your daddy?,” let alone referred to “Amelia’s daddy” in a headline about adult me. My guess is California girl Megan Markle would think it equally odd. So yes, racial cultural stereotypes could be in play here.
Recovered memory horse kicking: When President Bush made his first remarks after the September 11 attack, he referred to “the folks” who committed the attacks. As someone who had never used the word “folks” in my life, I remember wincing. To me, it sounded so casual… so (forgive me) folksy for such a serious event, but in the South it might not even be noticed. That night I watched a roundtable discussion on the BBC news. The American on the panel mentioned the president’s “folks” and said it was inappropriate. The Brits demurred, saying it was just an Americanism. Pretty funny, considering they were telling an American how Americans talk. (And yes, I know it happens in reverse.)
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Post by Olan on May 18, 2018 13:03:06 GMT
I bet she would have gladly walked down the aisle alone to marry her prince. Well - she isn't going to...so I guess you're wrong there.
Who? Doesn't look like she has any family members in the wedding party. So who is this "solid support system"? that you know all about that the rest of us don't?
Hahaha why the hostility! No response required *winks* I can't assume her support system is solid but from your vantage point you know their marriage will end in divorce. Well alright.
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Post by gar on May 18, 2018 13:37:09 GMT
Really? It just makes me sad for her. That her family couldn't even get it together for one day to do this for her without creating a shit storm. I kind of think it's not lovely either. It shows an us vs them mentality to me. She has to have at least one cousin, uncle, family friend SOMEONE in her life who can walk her down the aisle. Instead it's a royal wedding with all the royal etiquette that must be followed and now it's about even more royalty. . That a lot of presuming and you sound a tad peeved but maybe she doesn’t have a male relative, maybe she does and they declined, maybe she didn’t want to ask some distant cousin just because. As for being a royal wedding - well yes, as she well understood, but let’s face it none of us know how the decision was reached.
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