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Post by mustlovecats on May 15, 2018 19:25:28 GMT
Woah!! Step back. My mother is "momma" to me, as I am to my kids. I don't get racism. It's a racist thing where I live. I am not getting into a battle over this but it's a term of endearment that we would not use here and it has racial undertones. She has UK citizenship so they should have written her Mum and not Momma. Anyway that's all I am going to say about it. I stand by it. I had affirmation by others here who saw it as racist as well so it wasn't just me. Peace out. It isn’t quite “Lookit Meghan’s mammy!” but I did kind of look at that sideways. I feel like it maybe reflects a sloppy use of black sociolect or a component of unconscious stereotype or bias.
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Post by gillyp on May 15, 2018 19:28:57 GMT
I can't get good crumpets here what IS a crumpet, anyway?? I always thought it was just another name for a scone. (is it a term from a nursery rhyme, or am I thinking of a 'tuffet' lol?) The left one is a tuffet. A footstool. The right one is a crumpet. A squidgy sort of bready confection that you toast and have dripping in butter. A scone is your biscuit, I think, except we usually add sugar and fruit to ours and have them oozing clotted cream and strawberry jam. Yum!
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Post by craftykitten on May 15, 2018 19:31:07 GMT
I can't get good crumpets here what IS a crumpet, anyway?? I always thought it was just another name for a scone. (is it a term from a nursery rhyme, or am I thinking of a 'tuffet' lol?) Noooooo, totally different from a scone! They're made on a griddle. Well, they are if you do it properly but I buy them in packets and then toast them. Scones are baked in the oven.
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Post by used2scrap on May 15, 2018 19:37:13 GMT
Looks like a crumpet is what we call an English muffin? Lol at the tuffet!
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Post by used2scrap on May 15, 2018 19:39:21 GMT
I just kind of feel bad for her regarding all the family drama. From the frying pan to the fire. If she had any doubts about how she’s going to be in a fish bowl, this week is certainly letting her know hard and fast!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 19:39:24 GMT
What am I missing? You have to fill in the blanks for me or provide a link. Who writes what about a future princess? What was the so racist thing? I honesty can't read between the lines here with the blanks. I don’t know what her ‘momma’s’ name was at the time but I was disgusted that they referred to the mother of a future princess as a momma and not her mother. My dad was disgusted too. It was Access Hollywood on Facebook. I called them out on it but who am I? Why would they change it? Momma is not a racist slur. 🙄 It’s Facebook. What do you really expect?
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2018 19:39:35 GMT
I can't get good crumpets here what IS a crumpet, anyway?? I always thought it was just another name for a scone. (is it a term from a nursery rhyme, or am I thinking of a 'tuffet' lol?) www.pinterest.ca/pin/524880531544821393/That is a crumpet. It is crunchy and yet soft in the middle. I like them with butter and strawberry jam. They are very good. The tea room I liked in town (that just closed last month) had great ones. They are chewier than toast and more substantial. They are crispy and still chewy. They are good. They are not an acquired taste believe me!
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2018 19:41:21 GMT
what IS a crumpet, anyway?? I always thought it was just another name for a scone. (is it a term from a nursery rhyme, or am I thinking of a 'tuffet' lol?) Noooooo, totally different from a scone! They're made on a griddle. Well, they are if you do it properly but I buy them in packets and then toast them. Scones are baked in the oven. Are the ones you get delicious? I mean out of this world good? I always imagine them to be like that in the UK. Please don't wreck my fantasy. The ones we get are okayyyy I mean they are better than nothing. But they aren't superior like the ones you would get.
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2018 19:43:06 GMT
Also tell me about the little lemon tartlet things you get there. The tea room near me had these cream of lemon curd something delicious lemony tartlets because they were so small and delicious. Yours are really good, right? Anyone can make finger sandwiches.
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Post by craftykitten on May 15, 2018 19:45:06 GMT
Noooooo, totally different from a scone! They're made on a griddle. Well, they are if you do it properly but I buy them in packets and then toast them. Scones are baked in the oven. Are the ones you get delicious? I mean out of this world good? I always imagine them to be like that in the UK. Please don't wreck my fantasy. The ones we get are okayyyy I mean they are better than nothing. But they aren't superior like the ones you would get. I guess it's like anything, there are different brands and some are nicer than others. But I always enjoy them
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Post by naby64 on May 15, 2018 19:48:03 GMT
what IS a crumpet, anyway?? I always thought it was just another name for a scone. (is it a term from a nursery rhyme, or am I thinking of a 'tuffet' lol?) The left one is a tuffet. A footstool. The right one is a crumpet. A squidgy sort of bready confection that you toast and have dripping in butter. A scone is your biscuit, I think, except we usually add sugar and fruit to ours and have them oozing clotted cream and strawberry jam. Yum! So what I have always called an English Muffin. Ohhhhh, so good with butter dripping. AND some fig preserves. And hot tea. Now I want that and I have cut out sugar.
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Post by Delta Dawn on May 15, 2018 19:48:20 GMT
Are the ones you get delicious? I mean out of this world good? I always imagine them to be like that in the UK. Please don't wreck my fantasy. The ones we get are okayyyy I mean they are better than nothing. But they aren't superior like the ones you would get. I guess it's like anything, there are different brands and some are nicer than others. But I always enjoy them We only get one brand with two types. One is buttermilk and the other is plain. I find them kind of bland. I don't know what else I would like to make them taste better, though. I love them and these ones are better than nothing. I just picture myself in a supermarket in the UK and they have like 5 or 10 brands of them all different like bread if you will.
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Post by gillyp on May 15, 2018 19:49:27 GMT
Looks like a crumpet is what we call an English muffin? Lol at the tuffet! No!!!!!! THIS is a muffin. Dense, sliceable so you toast the insides. There are no air holes in a muffin. You toast the outside of a crumpet.
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Post by used2scrap on May 15, 2018 19:50:20 GMT
Looks like a crumpet is what we call an English muffin? Lol at the tuffet! View Attachment No!!!!!! THIS is a muffin. Dense, sliceable so you toast the insides. There are no air holes in a muffin. Ah ok, thanks!
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Post by littlemama on May 15, 2018 19:54:02 GMT
I just read that he has changed his mind again and now wants to walk her down the aisle - because he doesn't want to miss being part of history, not because he wants to be there for his daughter. What an asshat.
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Post by used2scrap on May 15, 2018 19:56:27 GMT
I just read that he has changed his mind again and now wants to walk her down the aisle - because he doesn't want to miss being part of history, not because he wants to be there for his daughter. What an asshat. I thought that statement was telling and sad too. I hope no matter what, Meghan and Prince Harry have an amazing day.
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Post by gar on May 15, 2018 20:21:25 GMT
Looks like a crumpet is what we call an English muffin? Lol at the tuffet! No!!!!!! THIS is a muffin. Dense, sliceable so you toast the insides. There are no air holes in a muffin. You toast the outside of a crumpet. You got this
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Post by gillyp on May 15, 2018 20:30:30 GMT
No!!!!!! THIS is a muffin. Dense, sliceable so you toast the insides. There are no air holes in a muffin. You toast the outside of a crumpet. You got this I would hope so. Rofl
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Post by gar on May 15, 2018 20:32:47 GMT
You got this I would hope so. Rofl Good explanations though It must be very easy to mix them up for our American peas.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 15, 2018 20:37:17 GMT
So what I have always called an English Muffin. ^^^ I was going to write ahhh, okay. But whoops- it seems I didn't read far enough! Maybe an English muffin is the Americanized 'version' of a crumpet? (our English muffins are STILL really good, though. lol) And I could still swear there's a nursery rhyme that talks about crumpets. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! (or maybe there's not... but there should be-- ha!) ETA: English muffins are full of holes on the inside ('nooks and crannies' for the butter, according to Thomas's English Muffins advertising-- lol!) And if they're GOOD ones, you can just open them up with a fork; you don't have to slice them.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 20:39:15 GMT
In this example I think using Momma potentially trying to draw attention to her race or class. From what I’ve read the media has been saying some aweful stuff so why should this surprise us.
I’m white, I joke with my kids sometimes using “your momma” when referring to myself but if I am talking about my mother to the public, it’s mother. Momma is a casual term, around here’s its a casual reference, it’s even considered low class. Which is why I feel like the article in question referring to Meghan’s mother as momma is offensive.
I can’t image they would ever refer to Katherine’s mother as “momma” so yes, it’s insulting.
Just my opinion.
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Post by Country Ham on May 15, 2018 20:50:32 GMT
But the word Momma, Mama has no racial attachments. Maybe regional from some of the posts I read. Even "Yo Momma" jokes are not really based on race or ethnicity that I have ever seen I have seen them on various comedy programs done by white, blacks, and latinos.
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Post by tduby1 on May 15, 2018 20:51:49 GMT
But you didn't refer to it as "undignified" in your OP ypu refered to it as "racist" and keep evading the subject when asked why. Why did you refer to it as racist? I’m not sure if calling her momma was racist in itself, but the fact that they referred to her as momma seems to be stereotyping and not something they would do if the mother wasn’t black. Perhaps it is different in different parts of the country (and I don’t know where Megan is from), but to me, momma is a word that only children use for a very short time. No grown person here calls their mother momma that I am aware of. I think that is why it seems too informal for this occasion. I've heard mama/momma affectionately used pretty universally by all age groups. I really not seeing racism OR stereotyping. I feel like I am really missing something here.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 21:04:57 GMT
But the word Momma, Mama has no racial attachments. Maybe regional from some of the posts I read. Even "Yo Momma" jokes are not really based on race or ethnicity that I have ever seen I have seen them on various comedy programs done by white, blacks, and latinos. Maybe not racial, although I do think there was a little there and I’m the least likely person to call racism. But it’s not as classy as mother, so I think there was something negative behind it. They should have been using the same language as they would for any other royal member but yet they tried to make her sound like a commoner. Again that’s just my opinion. I personally think the press is vile.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 21:11:09 GMT
I’m not sure if calling her momma was racist in itself, but the fact that they referred to her as momma seems to be stereotyping and not something they would do if the mother wasn’t black. Perhaps it is different in different parts of the country (and I don’t know where Megan is from), but to me, momma is a word that only children use for a very short time. No grown person here calls their mother momma that I am aware of. I think that is why it seems too informal for this occasion. I've heard mama/momma affectionately used pretty universally by all age groups. I really not seeing racism OR stereotyping. I feel like I am really missing something here. Yes we can use the term affectionately, but I don’t think the media knows her mother on a personal level to be affectionately using the term momma. I can’t imagine ever referring to another person’s mother as a momma other than if we’re joking around. It’s one thing if all the royals used that term, but they don’t. We may not use mum in North America but the press has to know that there is a classier way to refer to someone other than momma. In my circles we don’t use the term momma other than when we’re joking.
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Post by oaksong on May 15, 2018 21:29:07 GMT
I read a bit at the beginning of the thread, then skipped ahead to page 5, where the conversation has turned into the difference between crumpets and English Muffins. Not surprising. This IS Peadom, after all.
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Post by hop2 on May 15, 2018 21:35:51 GMT
If the Queen grants Harry a dukedom as seems likely, Meghan's title will be HRH Duchess of _________. If not she will be HRH Princess Henry of Wales. A royal Duke actually ranks higher than a prince so being a royal duchess is better than being a regular princess. The Queen's cousin is HRH the Duke of Kent. His wife is HRH the Duchess of Kent. However the Duke's younger brother is just HRH Prince Michael of Kent. HIS wife is known as HRH Princess Michael of Kent. The Duke ranks higher than his younger brother. The Duke of Kent inherited his title from his father as his heir and whilst he is still in line to the throne as are his children, Prince Michael of Kent is not. He gave up his right of succession when he married Marie-Christine who is catholic. He is a prince by birth though. When they carry the title as in her case -Princess Michael of Kent it's a way of distinguishing them as being a princess by marriage rather than by birth. Prince Andrew's title of Duke of York will return to the crown when he dies as he has no male heirs. The changes they made before George was born does not apply to lower ranks of nobility, but just to heirs to the throne? Interesting
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Post by evelynr on May 15, 2018 21:36:47 GMT
Back to the op... Does anyone else feel that Meghan and Harry should have been more responsible in gradually introducing her father into this situation rather than to expect him to just show up the week of and walk her down the aisle? There is no excuse in my mind, why the father and Harry have not even met yet. Of course, this is overwhelming for him, and I'm sure that even if his health was better, he would be extremely uncomfortable and probably feel even a little unwelcome. It's just a broken family unit that they were hoping they could hide long enough for a Cinderella princess wedding and then go back to their absent relationship. Sad.
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 15, 2018 21:44:38 GMT
The crumpet looks like a toasted dumpling. The kind of dumpling I used to get at the local Czech place with my goulash.
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Post by Country Ham on May 15, 2018 21:48:26 GMT
But the word Momma, Mama has no racial attachments. Maybe regional from some of the posts I read. Even "Yo Momma" jokes are not really based on race or ethnicity that I have ever seen I have seen them on various comedy programs done by white, blacks, and latinos. Maybe not racial, although I do think there was a little there and I’m the least likely person to call racism. But it’s not as classy as mother, so I think there was something negative behind it. They should have been using the same language as they would for any other royal member but yet they tried to make her sound like a commoner. Again that’s just my opinion. I personally think the press is vile. I saw an article on Facebook that said "Meet Megan Markle's momma." Who the fuck writes that about a future princess. That is so racist I almost puked. This was a US site like Access Hollywood. That would be Megan Markle's mother ______ ________. I almost spat on the screen I was so livid. Her sources are gossipy type sites not exactly the Press though.
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