caro
Drama Llama
Refupea 1130
Posts: 5,222
Jun 26, 2014 14:10:36 GMT
|
Post by caro on Sept 26, 2019 15:10:12 GMT
My friend is pro-Trump and I am not by any stretch of the imagination. We do not talk politics by mutual agreement but that seems silly being we are two mature adults. We have been friends for a year, getting together often as couples and as girlfriend lunches etc. we have known each other for over 25 years and we have boys the same age. The boys are not close friends anymore as distance has prevented them from getting together. My friend and I ran into each other about a year ago after not seeing each other for 10 or so years. We rekindled the friendship and it’s been good. But, imo, politics is the elephant in the room.
Anyone have ave a friend so radically different politically and survived? How?
|
|
tincin
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,368
Jul 25, 2014 4:55:32 GMT
|
Post by tincin on Sept 26, 2019 15:14:26 GMT
I’ll tell you I have a couple I’m barely hanging on to. They are avid Trump supporters and it makes me want to vomit. If I had known what same people they were prior to this they would be history. I had no problem with them being Republicans even though I didn’t agree with a lot of issues that they were on the opposite side up they were still good people. Now I’m not so sure
|
|
|
Post by busy on Sept 26, 2019 15:17:07 GMT
I think it really depends on the personalities, the shared history, and the nature of the differences in politics.
There are some differences that would amount to not just political disagreements but also differences in fundamental values significant enough that I wouldn't see the point in having a relationship.
We differ on tax policy and other economic issues? Fine. We differ on equal rights for everyone? Not fine.
ETA: I'm liberal and so are most of my family and close friends. I live in a liberal part of the country and have my whole life, so this isn't surprising. However, I worked in banking for nearly 14 years and now work with an oil & gas client. As a result, I have *many* friends and colleagues with whom I disagree politically but we still get along well. It's worth noting almost none of them, despite being Republicans, are Trump supporters.
|
|
Just T
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,544
Jun 26, 2014 1:20:09 GMT
|
Post by Just T on Sept 26, 2019 15:21:39 GMT
I don't really have many friends who are pro-Trump. If they are, they don't talk about it with me. LOL
I am quite close to my brother who is very much pro-Trump. He is gay, and his partner of 30 years is also pro-Trump. I do not get it. I do know they are ultra conservative, very much pro-states rights, they live in the south, and I doubt they have ever voted anything but a straight Republican ticket. We do talk politics a little bit when we are together, but not much. It's easy since we only see each other once or twice a year, so we typically have other more fun things to do and talk about. One of their best friends is a gay black man, who despises Trump. Now I have heard some very heated discussions between the 3 of them. LOL
They truly believe that Trump is misunderstood and misrepresented in the media. They do not think he is racist/anti-LGBT/misogynistic or anything else. They only watch Fox News as they think it is the only news media that doesn't spread fake news.
I dearly love my brother and his partner. I have had several people tell me they can't even talk to their friends and relatives who are pro-Trump, and I do not want to ever let politics come between us.
|
|
|
Post by gar on Sept 26, 2019 15:23:46 GMT
I think in ‘normal’ circumstances- yes. However your country, and mine to a degree, are in unusual, extreme times and I feel that at the moment the normal rules are hard to apply. Now the differences are intense, imperative and urgent...it’s no longer just a difference of opinion on daily stuff...these differences now go to the heart of what makes our countries what they are.
|
|
|
Post by lucyg on Sept 26, 2019 15:28:26 GMT
I have one friend who is a Trump supporter. Or at least, anti-Hillary and Democrats. Mostly we don’t talk about politics. She says she doesn’t follow the news. I honestly can’t think of another Republican friend or relative who supports Trump. Not even my brother-in-law who was a political appointee when Arnold was governor. (I have to call him Arnold because I can’t spell his last name.) But I wanted to say, caro, I’d been wondering where you’d been. Or maybe you’ve been posting all along, just not in the same threads where I am. Anyway, I’ve missed seeing you around.
|
|
caro
Drama Llama
Refupea 1130
Posts: 5,222
Jun 26, 2014 14:10:36 GMT
|
Post by caro on Sept 26, 2019 15:29:44 GMT
We live in the south. I can’t talk to my brother at all because he constantly wants to bait me and life is too short for that. He is pro trump. It’s hard to find like minded people like myself in GA. I am not ultra liberal but I am nowhere near conservative as my friends. I thought I was helping my friend see another side of life but I really don’t think so now. She feels Trump is being persecuted by the Democrats. 🙄
|
|
caro
Drama Llama
Refupea 1130
Posts: 5,222
Jun 26, 2014 14:10:36 GMT
|
Post by caro on Sept 26, 2019 15:32:41 GMT
That’s so sweet Lucy. I am such an under the radar type of person. I read threads here but rarely post. I see you on FB some and there again, rarely post anything unless it’s about our puppy. 🐶🥰
|
|
|
Post by snowsilver on Sept 26, 2019 15:32:58 GMT
Of course you can if you are each respectful and non-bullying. I am a conservative, my daughter-in-law is very liberal as is one of my favorite brothers-in-law. I love them both to distraction and they love me back. And Yes, we DO discuss politics. My neighbor (until she sold her house recently) was a strong liberal in a very conservative neighborhood. But she was well-liked because she was courteous in her views and the conservatives were courteous back.
There is so much more in this world than politics to build a friendship on.
|
|
|
Post by quinlove on Sept 26, 2019 15:33:17 GMT
I have 2 adult children who are T supporters. 😬 I choose to not discuss politics with them, as they do. I am their mother and I want to be there for them in any capacity that they need me. The mother / child relationship must take precedent over any of our individual choices. Trump has done a wonderful job of dividing this country - he will NOT divide my family !!
|
|
|
Post by gar on Sept 26, 2019 15:39:10 GMT
There is so much more in this world than politics to build a friendship on. Of course - but these are difficult times, many people are more passionate about what is happening to their country than they might ever have been in their lifetime. I find politics has entered my daily conversation more than ever before and is therefore more likely to come up in conversation.
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Sept 26, 2019 15:40:59 GMT
Yes, I can be friends with conservatives and I’m married to one. An ardent Trump supporter, however, has a fundamental difference in worldview that would make a real friendship between us very unlikely.
|
|
|
Post by KikiPea on Sept 26, 2019 15:42:26 GMT
Yes, but I never talk politics with my friends, so I barely even know where any of them stand. I do know one, for sure, but we just don't talk about it.
My parents are VERY conservative, and big Trump supporters, but, again, we don't talk about it. They try sometimes, but I just ignore it, or change the subject. Now, I error on the side of conservative, but I disagree with a lot of things my parents support, so lean a little more mid-ground. It's not worth arguing with them about it. No matter what they say, they cannot be swayed.
|
|
|
Post by maryland on Sept 26, 2019 15:42:41 GMT
Yes, for me it works! My closest friends and facebook friends are Trump supporters. But we never really talk politics when we get together, and on so many other issues we agree, so we have no problems. I did stop following anyone on facebook that were always posting political stuff (even the few I agreed with).
|
|
caro
Drama Llama
Refupea 1130
Posts: 5,222
Jun 26, 2014 14:10:36 GMT
|
Post by caro on Sept 26, 2019 15:43:00 GMT
Of course you can if you are each respectful and non-bullying. I am a conservative, my daughter-in-law is very liberal as is one of my favorite brothers-in-law. I love them both to distraction and they love me back. And Yes, we DO discuss politics. My neighbor (until she sold her house recently) was a strong liberal in a very conservative neighborhood. But she was well-liked because she was courteous in her views and the conservatives were courteous back. There is so much more in this world than politics to build a friendship on. That is very true. But it seems, right now in particular, that we cannot express our views with others without it becoming heated. And I’m not talking about my friend but in general. Personally I try to be respectful of ALL of my friends and acquaintances but I find the respect is not mutual. It is difficult to live where I live and be a progressive or moderate and not conservative.
|
|
|
Post by maryland on Sept 26, 2019 15:44:36 GMT
I have good friends/family who are pro Trump and anti Trump, pro Republican, pro Democrat. Does not get in the way of friendships or family relationships. We are mature enough to realize that our personal circumstances and life experiences determine what we feel is the best choice for us. Life is too short to ruin relationships over politics. I love this! Especially where you said "we are mature enough,...".
|
|
TXMary
Pearl Clutcher
And so many nights I just dream of the ocean. God, I wish I was sailin' again.
Posts: 2,800
Jun 26, 2014 17:25:06 GMT
|
Post by TXMary on Sept 26, 2019 15:50:37 GMT
As a Liberal Democrat in Texas, I have plenty of Republican friends and for the most part don't have any problem getting along with them. Trump supporters...that's a whole different animal. I find myself rethinking some of my friendships and if I want those people in my life anymore. At the end of the day, it's just a difference in morals and values and I have lost respect for several of them based on things they have said and posted on Facebook.
And it makes me sad.
|
|
paigepea
Drama Llama
Enter your message here...
Posts: 5,609
Location: BC, Canada
Jun 26, 2014 4:28:55 GMT
|
Post by paigepea on Sept 26, 2019 15:51:48 GMT
Yes. Isn’t that what we’re supposed to rejoice in. The ability to choose. I’m not sure I have one friend with whom I discuss who I actually vote for. We discuss topics and agree or disagree, discuss, question, but we don’t discuss how we vote. I think you need to not look down on your friend based on how they vote, and you need a relationship beyond politics - other interests, etc. If their politics views bother you so much then the friendship might not develop further. It might be more of a surface friendship.
|
|
peasquared
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,440
Jul 6, 2014 23:59:59 GMT
|
Post by peasquared on Sept 26, 2019 15:56:27 GMT
My parents and my closest friend are all Trump supporters. Although, by policies mostly. I love them all. I just try to stay off the topic.
|
|
caro
Drama Llama
Refupea 1130
Posts: 5,222
Jun 26, 2014 14:10:36 GMT
|
Post by caro on Sept 26, 2019 15:57:36 GMT
Shouldn’t we adults be mature enough? In my family.....that is a pipe dream unfortunately. My friend and I were walking one day and she told me she really liked a new co-worker. I asked her (not knowing) what did she like. She said, “well....she’s black and a lesbian.” After I picked myself up, I asked her why she was surprised she could like this person and she said again black and a lesbian. She didn’t think she could like a lesbian. It was an interesting conversation.
<<<<<<< see my avatar? That was my face.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 4, 2024 5:41:57 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 15:58:06 GMT
I can be friends with a republican. I cannot be friends with a trump supporter.
|
|
caro
Drama Llama
Refupea 1130
Posts: 5,222
Jun 26, 2014 14:10:36 GMT
|
Post by caro on Sept 26, 2019 16:00:44 GMT
I can be friends with a republican. I cannot be friends with a trump supporter. It seems in my world there is no difference.
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Sept 26, 2019 16:01:39 GMT
I have good friends/family who are pro Trump and anti Trump, pro Republican, pro Democrat. Does not get in the way of friendships or family relationships. We are mature enough to realize that our personal circumstances and life experiences determine what we feel is the best choice for us. Life is too short to ruin relationships over politics. I love this! Especially where you said "we are mature enough,...". Personally, I think it's preferable to be mature enough to look beyond one's own circumstances and life experiences where necessary. The internet makes it waaaaay less understandable than it used to be to have a narrow and insular worldview. My experience is that people who have chosen, for example, to continue on with a sort of casual racism and misogyny in their beliefs, are making that choice out of personal preference and using their background to excuse it. They say, oh, that's what my religion teaches, or oh, that's just how I was brought up and I don't see any reason to change. And what's really true is that they either don't care enough to examine their own beliefs, or that they actually have contempt for people of color and think women should know their place. What I'm saying is that there's no legitimate background reason for someone to be racist and misogynist in 2019. That's entirely a choice. People should own their choices IMO - that's the mature thing to do. I also think that it's inaccurate to say that relationships are ruined "over politics." Our current cultural climate here goes way past politics and into the fundamental things that people believe about themselves and others. It would be a shame indeed to ruin a relationship over a difference in tax code or most foreign policy, but I don't see any reason to continue having relationships with people who think that women, gay people and people of color should not have full and equal rights with straight, white men. Or who think that they are better than someone who struggles, or better than a brown person from south of our border because they had the good fortune to be born in the US. Those are not political differences. They are character differences.
|
|
|
Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 26, 2019 16:02:01 GMT
As a Liberal Democrat in Texas, I have plenty of Republican friends and for the most part don't have any problem getting along with them. Trump supporters...that's a whole different animal. I find myself rethinking some of my friendships and if I want those people in my life anymore. At the end of the day, it's just a difference in morals and values and I have lost respect for several of them based on things they have said and posted on Facebook. And it makes me sad. I agree. And it really has nothing to do with whether or not someone is mature or not.
|
|
peabay
Prolific Pea
Posts: 9,598
Jun 25, 2014 19:50:41 GMT
|
Post by peabay on Sept 26, 2019 16:04:55 GMT
My mom's lifetime best friend was her political opposite. My mom was a bleeding heart liberal - her best friend is a Trump supporting conservative. I honestly don't know how they did it. But they did. I know they didn't talk politics. At all. Ever. It just made the two of them too crazy.
My best friend is a Long Island, liberal Jewish girl and she married a conservative Republican Christian from Iowa. For the first years of their marriage, they stayed off politics and he kept his elephant figurine collection in his office. He absolutely despises Trump, feels he has coopted and ruined his party and is now an Independent. They do talk politics now, lol.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2019 16:07:42 GMT
There are some differences that would amount to not just political disagreements but also differences in fundamental values significant enough that I wouldn't see the point in having a relationship. We differ on tax policy and other economic issues? Fine. We differ equal rights for everyone? Not fine. You said it better than I have... I'm really torn. Fortunately right now she lives far away... We see each other in a group once or twice a year.
|
|
|
Post by chaosisapony on Sept 26, 2019 16:09:41 GMT
Most of my friends have opposite political and religious views from me. We rarely talk about it and when we do we're all mature adults who can have those discussions without it getting heated.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 26, 2019 16:11:02 GMT
I think you need to not look down on your friend based on how they vote It's not how they vote, it's the values they hold to enable their vote.
|
|
|
Post by shessoaverage on Sept 26, 2019 16:14:30 GMT
This is a topic that breaks my heart. I have a best friend. We have been so, so close for almost 50 years. Our friendship has never been about discussing politics, more about talking, doing things together, and supporting each other through the happiness and sadness of life.
In 2016, she made it very clear she supported Trump. This was something new, because, as I said, we had never talked about politics. There were too many other interesting things to talk about and do. I made the conscious decision that I would not let 40+ years of friendship be endangered by a political office that would last 8 years at most.
She made an older friend who is wealthy and conservative. I got along great with her, too, when I met her. The more, the merrier! We all went to the beach with a group of women. I walked into the room where friend and her friend were talking and she pointed to me and said, “She’s a Hillary lover. She doesn’t like our Trump.”
Anyhow, after that trip, things started fading away. Four of us from the old days used to go out to dinner once a month. The other two women are more politically liberal and BFF has cold-shouldered them, too. I tried to keep in touch for almost a year, but she stopped communicating. She owns a business, and for years I’ve worked for free for her from time to time, just to have fun and spend time together. It really makes me sad. I have thought and thought, trying to figure out if I did anything, but can’t think of what it could have been. It has felt sort of like a bad divorce.
Sorry to run on, but this has been very sad for me.
|
|
|
Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 26, 2019 16:15:34 GMT
I think the problem is everyone is trying to make this into a moral decision. Politics is about more than one or two or ten issues. And I’m sure there will be a lot of responses saying it is a moral decision and I think that proves my point. I live in a blue neighborhood in a red state. I don’t typically talk politics with friends, but it is brought up by others. I can be friends with people who believe differently from me. For as many people say if you’re A you must believe B therefore we can’t be friends. I find that mindset sad.
|
|