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Post by AmandaA on Jan 7, 2021 1:04:08 GMT
I have read your post several times and the first half is quite reasonable to me and I think a lot of “the liberals” could agree with you on those points and values. But here is where you lose me... exactly how many of those values were embodied in Trump and “his GOP”? If those are your values and you own them, I can respect that. What I cannot respect is using those values as your defense for voting for that monster whose agenda was none of that and to be quite blunt completely the contrary. Sorry, but it just doesn’t add up. I think many “republicans” have no idea what the Republican Party is actually about anymore which to quote their leader is “SAD”.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 7, 2021 1:06:24 GMT
We’re not just arm chair quarterbacking. We’ve been complaining for 4 plus years.
And no, the details and specifics of covid or today’s insurrection were not clear. But, Trump’s mishandling of a crisis has always been abundantly clear. After the hurricane in Puerto Rico, he threw paper towels. Just a small example, but very telling. He can’t even lose at golf, it was entirely predictable that there would not be a peaceful transition of power if he lost the election. He refused to commit to that in 2016 and again in 2020.
As derwyce said, the only unpredictable piece is how the Republicans would enable and encourage him to the extent that they have.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 7, 2021 1:09:54 GMT
Not in reference to the other thread, but it has been said countless times here that our issues are mostly not with conservatives, but with Trump supporters. There is a distinction. To be honest, I feel like the overwhelming amount of peas who participate on political thread feel this way. Unfortunately there are a few who are much louder and crass who drown out those voices. agreed. There are many Ps that cont to say that there is no difference, and very strongly. I've voiced many times how my dh is a republican. he is a republican. He is NOT a trumplican. And he did not vote for Trump this yr. Yet some Ps would say he is still a racist. He is not. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 7, 2021 1:15:37 GMT
If Republicans have been called racist, it’s not without cause. Voter suppression targeted at cities, gerrymandering, voter ID laws and so much more are all power grabs, based in racism.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 7, 2021 1:16:50 GMT
I think comments like this only minimize what a truly vile human being he is, and it feels (to me) like you’re brushing it off. Well, it's somewhat sarcastic. So . . . I'm not brushing it off, I'm just sick to death of the people who are hopping on the train now after a few years of complacency. No one, and I mean, NO ONE had a clue that this is where we would end up. I don't care what kind of crystal ball you had. so, beating and bashing the 2016 voters is disingenuous at best. And, no. I didn't vote for him in 2016 either - since people here love to call motives into question. The level of armchair quarterbacking is astounding. Could this exact event be predicted? Of course not. Just like Covid couldn’t be predicted. But it was clear that he was unfit long ago. People that voted for him overlooked that. For what? I hope it was worth it to them. I thought that we would be able to regain the respect of the rest of the world when Trump was gone. The last four years could be seen as a warning for democracies and a blip in our history. But now? I’m not so sure about that. There are going to be long standing repercussions from this. Thanks, Trump voters. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 7, 2021 1:19:44 GMT
It’s all rooted in racism and in order for racism to persist in the way that it has more than just the vocally racist have to uphold the values. It wouldn’t work otherwise.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 7, 2021 1:21:40 GMT
If Republicans have been called racist, it’s not without cause. Voter suppression targeted at cities, gerrymandering, voter ID laws and so much more are all power grabs, based in racism. Exactly. I’m not suggesting your husband is racist Cindy, mine isn’t either and he was a lifelong Republican until a couple of years ago. But with their votes they empowered a political party a that creates racist laws. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 7, 2021 1:25:23 GMT
There were 17 other Republicans running for potus in 2016. We knew what trump was about before he was first elected. He was bad then. Yes, yes, we were all aware that he wasn't a Boy Scout. No one could have predicted this. That’s very naive of you. Trump HAS BEEN TELLING US FOR YEARS that this is what was going to happen if people didn’t bend to his will. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 7, 2021 1:28:47 GMT
I think comments like this only minimize what a truly vile human being he is, and it feels (to me) like you’re brushing it off. Well, it's somewhat sarcastic. So . . . I'm not brushing it off, I'm just sick to death of the people who are hopping on the train now after a few years of complacency. No one, and I mean, NO ONE had a clue that this is where we would end up. I don't care what kind of crystal ball you had. so, beating and bashing the 2016 voters is disingenuous at best. And, no. I didn't vote for him in 2016 either - since people here love to call motives into question. The level of armchair quarterbacking is astounding. But the thing is...unless you were living on another planet with no internet, trump himself has been telling us how awful he is! And daily to boot! Not once—not once has anything EVER gotten better for the majority of Americans—both blue and red and in between. He has lied TENS OF THOUSANDS of times in the short span he was in office. It does not take an armchair QB or a crystal ball to come to a conclusion. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 7, 2021 1:35:06 GMT
There were 17 other Republicans running for potus in 2016. We knew what trump was about before he was first elected. He was bad then. Yes, there were. And they all ran out of money and/or support. The party was blinded by the "celebrity" in the running. The prevailing wisdom then was "how bad could he be"? And no, it’s not entirely (or closely true) that the others just ran out of money. Trump was lying everyday about HRC, and lying to get a base. He was getting higher polling because of his lying. People (his now cultists) lapped it up. A few dropped because of lack of fundraising, but the rest dropped because they didn’t get the numbers (polling) that trump did with his gross exaggerations and lies. The consensus back then was that his supporters wanted a disruption, drain the swamp, jailing his enemies. So yes, easily this was predictable. |
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Post by shamrock on Jan 7, 2021 1:35:12 GMT
I didn't vote for Biden because I don't support abortion at will and without parental consent. I own it. You do realize Biden supports more Catholic values than Trump does do you not? I’m Catholic. I do not understand how people will support (and if you voted for Trump that is supporting him) a candidate only because at the moment he says he is against abortion. There are so many more people harmed by Trumps decisions. people need to stop having abortion be the ONLY thing they base their vote on. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 7, 2021 1:36:00 GMT
Who could have known? Give me a break. What do you think Trump was promising with his “drain the swamp” rhetoric and his courting of white nationals? Today was 100% predictable. You all just didn’t want to listen because it was more fun to laugh about liberal tears and decry the supposed crassness of pussy hats.
We knew. It’s why we marched.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 7, 2021 1:38:16 GMT
If Republicans have been called racist, it’s not without cause. Voter suppression targeted at cities, gerrymandering, voter ID laws and so much more are all power grabs, based in racism. What I'm saying is that ALL republicans are not racist. Just like All democrats arn't this or that. It's a blanket statement. just like the OP was saying. It's not fair to say it of one party and not the other. Yes, there have been racist things associated with Trump and the Trumplicans. But lets try and not let this color how we feel. This is about bringing American together again. Those sort of comments won't help do that. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 7, 2021 1:42:35 GMT
Who could have known? Give me a break. What do you think Trump was promising with his “drain the swamp” rhetoric and his courting of white nationals? Today was 100% predictable. You all just didn’t want to listen because it was more fun to laugh about liberal tears and decry the supposed crassness of pussy hats. We knew. It’s why we marched. White women marched for optics and then went right back to making excuses for white men left and right. Let’s be real. |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 7, 2021 1:45:34 GMT
Who could have known? Give me a break. What do you think Trump was promising with his “drain the swamp” rhetoric and his courting of white nationals? Today was 100% predictable. You all just didn’t want to listen because it was more fun to laugh about liberal tears and decry the supposed crassness of pussy hats. We knew. It’s why we marched. Oh, my god. I marched too, for goodness sake. I'm saying that no one knew we'd be HERE. Like, HERE. So, just take a breath. |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 7, 2021 1:46:31 GMT
Who could have known? Give me a break. What do you think Trump was promising with his “drain the swamp” rhetoric and his courting of white nationals? Today was 100% predictable. You all just didn’t want to listen because it was more fun to laugh about liberal tears and decry the supposed crassness of pussy hats. We knew. It’s why we marched. White women marched for optics and then went right back to making excuses for white men left and right. Let’s be real. hehe. Right? Remember all those books that were purchased? |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 7, 2021 1:47:25 GMT
NVM. No getting anyone to assess their own behaviors - either side. it's entirely too easy right now to be the "I told you so" poster.
Carry on.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 7, 2021 1:48:59 GMT
2020 wouldn’t have happened if you and others like you, and for full disclosure that includes my husband, didn’t vote for him in 2016. FWIW, who could have know it would turn out to be such a shit show? And please, with the "we told you!" No way you could have known either. because teach4u quote didn't copy...
"I wouldn’t vote for him in 2020. I would t have voted period. Would I change 2016? No. But I would take back 2020"but she is saying she wouldn't change 2016 even knowing what she does now. She would change her 2020 vote. Big difference. |
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Post by pinklady on Jan 7, 2021 1:49:37 GMT
Some people need to sit down and shut up.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 7, 2021 1:50:11 GMT
Who could have known? Give me a break. What do you think Trump was promising with his “drain the swamp” rhetoric and his courting of white nationals? Today was 100% predictable. You all just didn’t want to listen because it was more fun to laugh about liberal tears and decry the supposed crassness of pussy hats. We knew. It’s why we marched. Oh, my god. I marched too, for goodness sake. I'm saying that no one knew we'd be HERE. Like, HERE. So, just take a breath. That’s just a ridiculous argument to use to avoid holding people accountable for their vote. Of course course no one could guess these specifics, the same as with any other event in history. But we could, and did, make well thought out and well informed opinions that a Trump presidency would be very, very bad for our country. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 7, 2021 1:51:16 GMT
Lindsay Graham knew.  |
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 7, 2021 1:52:45 GMT
NVM. No getting anyone to assess their own behaviors - either side. it's entirely too easy right now to be the "I told you so" poster. Carry on. Come on Hillary was expressing concerns that Trump wouldn’t accept the election outcome in 2016. This isn’t a surprise. |
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Post by PLurker on Jan 7, 2021 1:53:12 GMT
Oh, my god. I marched too, for goodness sake. I'm saying that no one knew we'd be HERE. Like, HERE. So, just take a breath. That’s just a ridiculous argument to use to avoid holding people accountable for their vote. Of course course no one could guess these specifics, the same as with any other event in history. But we could, and did, make well thought out and well informed opinions that a Trump presidency would be very, very bad for our country. exactly. and end in something like this. not exactly this, but something very similar and just as awful for our country. A shitshow is a shitshow. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 7, 2021 1:54:28 GMT
White women marched for optics and then went right back to making excuses for white men left and right. Let’s be real. hehe. Right? Remember all those books that were purchased? Such a comedian. I know exactly what you’re referencing here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone purchasing books to be educated on a subject matter that they know little about. People gather information and learn in a variety of ways. You should try it sometime instead of posting things that just are not accurate. Beats the heck out of what you’re doing here. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 7, 2021 1:57:21 GMT
If Republicans have been called racist, it’s not without cause. Voter suppression targeted at cities, gerrymandering, voter ID laws and so much more are all power grabs, based in racism. What I'm saying is that ALL republicans are not racist. Just like All democrats arn't this or that. It's a blanket statement. just like the OP was saying. It's not fair to say it of one party and not the other. Yes, there have been racist things associated with Trump and the Trumplicans. But lets try and not let this color how we feel. This is about bringing American together again. Those sort of comments won't help do that. Listen to this shit 🙄. Like read the word choice. Seriously? Bring America together again? United on what this time? Hate binded it all together then. Why the need to separate yourself from racist ideals when today’s events prove racism was a huge component of what brought those terrorists into the Capitol building. It’s also what returned them all safely home to the women who will have a whole slew of excuses about why they are good men. I’m so tired of y’all trying to dodge the issue. This isn’t the time for Republicans to whine about “not all of us”! |
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Post by Olan on Jan 7, 2021 2:00:12 GMT
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 7, 2021 2:00:18 GMT
hehe. Right? Remember all those books that were purchased? Such a comedian. I know exactly what you’re referencing here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone purchasing books to be educated on a subject matter that they know little about. People gather information and learn in a variety of ways. You should try it sometime instead of posting things that just are not accurate. Beats the heck out of what you’re doing here. Not doing anything here except for pointing out hypocrisy and "I told you so-itis". You don't have to agree, but maybe just take a beat and think. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 7, 2021 2:08:50 GMT
Such a comedian. I know exactly what you’re referencing here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone purchasing books to be educated on a subject matter that they know little about. People gather information and learn in a variety of ways. You should try it sometime instead of posting things that just are not accurate. Beats the heck out of what you’re doing here. Not doing anything here except for pointing out hypocrisy and "I told you so-itis". You don't have to agree, but maybe just take a beat and think. Try heeding your own advice. I’m not sitting in the “I told you so chair” as you’re trying to push. I’m simply countering your incorrect, bold, assertive statements of “no one could have predicted this” you’re absolutely wrong in that aspect. There is plenty of factual evidence that proves that—no one should have to “think” about what you’re trying to force. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 7, 2021 2:16:01 GMT
NVM. No getting anyone to assess their own behaviors - either side. it's entirely too easy right now to be the "I told you so" poster. Carry on. Come on Hillary was expressing concerns that Trump wouldn’t accept the election outcome in 2016. This isn’t a surprise. Didn’t trump tell us himself that he would accept the results of the 2016 section—if he won? Otherwise it was rigged. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 7, 2021 2:16:38 GMT
A bunch of liberals fighting because the conservatives are no longer here to rag on. So fitting. 🤣And pretty much any conservative that comes crawling back to the pod is accepted with open arms as long as they have a puppy or a painting to post 👀so it would probably be best not to call them cunts and douche nozzles but what do I know about friendship 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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