Conservative thoughts, if you want to know

Do you not remember the quotes from Rubio, Cruz, Graham, etc???  Graham said that nominating Trump would destroy the R party and they would deserve it.  They knew...and then changed their tune to jump on the train.

I have a hard time reconciling a pro-life stance as a reason to vote for a man who put children in cages. That’s some serious mental gymnastics.

I told you guys even before he was elected, so yes, it was evident for all who wanted to see.

I was a Republican.  Really probably more of a Libertarian really.  I had voted Republican in presidential elections until 2016.  I worked as a legislative aide for Republicans in my state House and Senate.  And even I saw the shitshow Trump was.  

But I will say that my beliefs started changing with gay marriage.  I couldn't believe the conservatives wanting to deprive my gay friends from getting married.  That was the turning point where I stopped voting for Republicans who supported a ban on gay marriage.  And then I became open to abortion being law of the land and accepted that wasn't changing so I devoted my efforts on that front to helping care for unplanned babies that weren't aborted through donations to charities that assist mothers with unplanned pregnancies.  But my stance on gay marriage opened me up to the fact that I don't have the right to tell others what to do or how to live.  Then I saw this latest tax cut.  My effective tax rate went up 0.4%.  So I basically got nothing.  While the rich got plenty.  And I was angry.  I was never against Obamacare.  And I can see all the good it did.  Hearing people's stories opened me up more to the idea of Universal Healthcare.  I have always supported local initiatives like building a new jail and animal shelter and supporting school millages.  So I'm not a closed wallet.  And those people make me very angry.  Especially those who have more than me and don't want to support local services.  I hate to see the attacks on Social Security and Medicare.  I want that when I am older. 


I still am, though, a fan of smaller government and local control.  But I get more and more liberal as I grow older.  And part of that is that I have a harder and harder time reconciling the Republican platform with my spiritual beliefs.  At best, I can say, back in the day, I was misguided and naive. 

But are those anything other than empty words from Republicans any more? When haven’t they challenged ‘local control’ the past 4 years? They’ve sued California, NJ, NY, etc not even counting the election BS.

And they seem to only believe ‘smaller government’ when helping everyday people ie: smaller/less social security, welfare etc. Smaller/less regulations on corporations from damaging workers or the environment. They sure don’t believe in less government when providing corporate welfare or filling the pockets of the rich and corporations ( or their own pockets )

2 reasons I was formerly a Republican were states rights and fiscal responsibility. The GOP believes in neither if they ever did. Only when it is what they want do they bring out the states rights banner to wave. Only when there’s a Dem president or the money will actually go to real people does the GOP bring out the fiscal responsibility cloak to cover their misdeeds

I think that jeremysgirl knows this. Part of her shift away from the Republican Party.  

The GOP used to be the party of small government. That used to be one of the main differences between the GOP and Democratic platforms. 

But yes, like you said, they have become the party that wants to legislate religion on the populace as a whole, they want to control all women’s bodies, and only believe in small and state government when trying to shed responsibility for the failure of Federal programs and responses to the pandemic and the crashing economy. 

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I agree. I think that many who say they are Republicans would actually resonate more with democratic values if they would allow themselves to look at how each side actually behaves and votes.

Every fucking time I hear "small goernment" or "fiscal conservatism" and Republican in the same sentence I get stabby.

LOOK AT THE DATA!!!

Accurately predicted in advance that it would have happened yesterday in particularly - maybe not. Predicted that it would happen at some point before the inauguration of the President elect- most definitely.

Some of us on here voiced our opinions and knowledge of his character way back throughout the run up to the 2016 election. Primary after primary we expressed horror at the thought of him being made President of the United States of America. We were laughed at, by very many staunch republicans ( some who are no longer posting on this board) and assured us the concerns we had would never materialize. That was never going to happen and everyone was a sore looser and crying libtard tears. For what it's worth, not everyone on this board is an American or a Democrat.

When one chooses to ignore the warnings, the red flags, call them what you will, over a number of years then inevitably the " here" day will arrive. Over the last few months, particularly since November, many on here have contributed to the discussions of whether there would be a "peaceful transfer of power?" " do you think Trump will go quietly?" to name just two. Day after day, week after week there was something new contributing to that doubt that people had whether he would or not. The same doubt that we all had in 2016 as to the kind of President he would be, knowing what he was like. As it got nearer and nearer with all his court cases, the lies and the threat of holding up the count by some elected members of the republican party, time was running out for any other insane idea he had to hold on to power and undermine democracy. Did you ask yourself why Trump encouraged that march to take place on the very day it would finally be legally finalized that Jo Biden would be the next President of the United States? Do you not think that there might have at least been the possibility that something would happen on that day?

Expressing total disbelief over what happened yesterday shows the complacency that some Americans have. Being shocked that it actually happened is understandable but total disbelief is different if one has chosen to ignore the signs. Most Trump followers have the belief that " it will never happen to us, we're American" Trump followers idolizes a man - one person and in no way are they patriotic, love their country Americans. You only have to listen to their beliefs to understand that.

Being the power house of the world, military wise, doesn't make you invincible and to ignore the warnings of what could happen is, quite frankly, foolish. Sadly, that is what some have done and yesterday is what happened. Going forward people need to open their eyes and take heed before it happens again. Once that stable door is open, the horse will escape and sooner or later the other horses will follow.

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Slight hijak, but this is a really fun tale about a Libertarian town in New Hampshire. How a New Hampshire libertarian utopia was foiled by bears tl/dr The town didn't have an effective sanitation department and the trash attracted bears...lots of bears.


OP I am a big fan of The Lincoln Project and a number of never Trumpers. I believe that there should be a balance of power between Democrats and Republicans and that they should govern together. The Trump administration started with overt nepotism and descended into lawlessness. Voting for Trump a second time is a signal that you endorse his actions. While I would never call a see you next Tuesday, I deeply grieve the nearly 400,000 victims of covid and those that live with economic devastation that the anemic covid response has wrought on the country. Your vote endorses these policies and I think that you have blood on your hands and your defensive post shows that you know it.

Can you tell me where you got this? I'd love to have an updated one. Just one year in Trump's presidency isn't enough to show the bad that he has done.