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Post by peano on Jan 26, 2021 22:09:28 GMT
This summer, my physical therapist and I bonded over our mutual contempt for our now former president. As she kneaded my muscles, the topic of race came up, as it was the peak of the George Floyd protests popping up all over the country.
She said, “My brother-in-law, (ironically a cop), used to be very racist, but he changed.” This was intriguing to me, so I asked how that happened, a twinge of hope creeping into my heart that he might have the secret key to help solve our national shame.
She said, “My sister decided that they were going to have a Fresh Air Fund kid stay with them.” For those who don’t know, the Fresh Air Fund arranges for kids who live in cities to spend a few weeks in the summer with suburban families who are often, but not always white. The kids are typically Black or Hispanic, and are introduced to typical suburban summer activities like day camps, swimming, and the family vacation etc. Ideally, the Fresh Air kids are paired with suburban children of similar ages.
My PT said that his experience of actually getting to know a person of color transformed him. He began to know a real person, not a cardboard emblem of what his parents, the media, and the greater society told him about Black people. Black people became real human beings with real thoughts and feelings just like his. This child became one of his own, and returned to them subsequent summers until he was out of school.
So here I am posting an epic-length post that I feel fairly certain that you won’t care about either. That’s OK. I am lately gripped with a need to communicate, to be seen and known. To be known by others, and by you, who view me as a cardboard cutout of a silly and cruel, and oblivious white woman, that you seemingly despise. I do this only for myself and my growth as a human being. To show that I am in fact, real flesh and blood. But the bottom line is I’m done with the back-and-forth derision, I’m done with the spreadsheet-keeping that causes conflict between us. It does nothing to promote better relations between white people and people of color.
Because I realize that conflict, that derision is getting us nowhere. That viewing each other as cardboard representations of real live people is a dead-end street and does not promote the transformation that will be required to create true equality in this country. And that is “us” in the 2 Peas sense, but also the “us” of the larger society.
I reviewed past posts of mine that I saw were filled with derision toward you. Derision that was a defense I erected at feeling criticized. Derision that I am now ashamed of and offer a genuine apology to you.
I’ve been analyzing my habitual reactions to your posts to figure out why I felt criticized, why I found them such personal button-pushers. The pattern seemed to be that you started a thread or reacted to existing threads, linking articles (helpful and thoughtful articles that in a post the other day, you said you did not care that I had that reaction to them.) But then came a dig, then came derision. Derision for what we women of 2 Peas are, where we are in our journey.
So how was I interpreting your posts? The best analogy I could come up with is the analogy of a toddler learning to walk. We don’t punish them when they fall down and their walking skills fall short of perfection.
We, the women of 2 Peas, are mostly white, mostly economically comfortable and have been safely ensconced in our white privilege for our entire lives. We are where we are in our individual journeys of understanding, acknowledging, and acting, ranging from fairly woke to never gonna get there.
I get your message. Kind of. “Wake up white people!” you exhort. But then in the next breath, after inviting us to join you, we fall up short and earn your derision. Jump, you say and in the next breath, you say, that’s not high enough. This is what is known as a double-bind. Double-binds make people feel crazy and paralyzed. It sometimes may take me a while to figure out that a double-bind has become part of communication with another, but when I do, I’m out. I don’t do double-binds. They are harmful to me and it is my right as a human being not to engage in unhealthy ways of communicating.
The reality is, each of us has the human right to grow at an intellectual, a psychological and a moral rate at our own pace. And this leaves us open to criticism from Black people who will say this is the cop out of white privilege. But I will use a phrase I detest, because it seems apt. It is what it is. Wishing we are more enlightened than we are is an admirable goal, but we are where we are and getting there may be a life's work, and is definitely not subject to someone else's ideas of what is acceptable.
I will read the Black history I want to read on my own timetable, I will choose the Black authors that resonate with me, rather than jumping on the bandwagon of the “white lady in the suburb book club” books that sprang up in the aftermath of the flurry of murders and other aggressions of Black people by cops in the spring and summer. I will read them slowly, savor them, let the unfamiliar messages permeate my body, let myself try to feel an infinitesimal amount of the rage and despair that I will never truly understand, as I do not have that history in my DNA.
I will will myself to comprehend the extreme level of frustration and rage evidenced by the writer James Baldwin in Eddie Glaude Jr.’s book “Begin Again” which describes how he saw all the promises of change coming out of the Civil Rights movement in the late 1950s and early 1960s deflate into apathy as white people regrouped and retreated back into their protection of The American Lie that Black people are unequal to white people.
I will delight in the poetry and prose of Ross Gay who in his “Catalog of Unabashed Gratitude” delivers the whimsy, the heartbreaking sweetness, and the sudden gut punch that comes from experiences living life as a Black man.
Now to address the comments you’ve posted. The thread in which we discussed white women’s roles during the days of slave-owning and I suppose, post-slavery, I asserted that white women of that time who lived within that system did not have the power to dictate, criticize, or make substantive changes in the perverted system of slavery. You listed some references that asserted that indeed, women weren’t just innocent bystanders in a horrific system. I saw your response, and wanted to respond but life got in the way (yes, white privilege) and I never responded. I should have responded, but I didn't. My apologies. It is frustrating to have knowledge you want to convey seemingly ignored and overlooked.
I suppose that one can always find the example that differs from the norm, and you did, in spades. Thanks for the information. I learned something. It gave me much to reflect upon.
However, in doing some additional reflection up this, it seems to me that beyond the (peano, sit down and shut up warning ahead) examples you came up with, that another insidious role that white women played in the South was the myth that sprang up like a poisoned fruit. The myth of the white woman, the precious, pure flower of the South needing protection from the marauding and raping Black man, in the form of the hangman's noose wielded by men who "needed" to protect her. The idea that nothing more than the flick of her finger meant that Emmett Till (and countless others like him) would be left swinging from a tree, victim of a system built on lies.
So, where are we? We are all real people, trying to muddle through our human weaknesses and shortcomings on the way to hopefully becoming better people working for a more just world. We are more complex, my joyous, more angry, more tender than a cardboard cutout.
If you have made it this far, thanks for reading.
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Post by tracylynn on Jan 26, 2021 23:05:49 GMT
peano You have so eloquently put into words thoughts that I have had rolling around in my head for weeks on this subject, on this particular board, but couldn't find the right words to express them. Thank you.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 26, 2021 23:06:08 GMT
Amazing post!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 26, 2021 23:35:31 GMT
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Post by peasapie on Jan 26, 2021 23:43:31 GMT
You have been so thoughtful and introspective in this post, and I honor you for that. I responded to a lot you expressed, and I appreciate you articulating it so clearly.
Olan’s posts are often triggers for me for a variety of reasons. I won’t go into that here but wanted you to know you have been seen and heard.
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Post by nurseypants on Jan 26, 2021 23:50:55 GMT
Damn, girl. Well done, IMO.
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 0:34:48 GMT
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Post by peano on Jan 27, 2021 0:41:51 GMT
It is transformative to be seen and heard. I would be the first to agree with you I have much work to do, as do we all, if we are courageous and up to the challenge. Where do you think I've been the past two days? Why sitting with feelings and clearing my mind of course. I wish you peace, Olan.
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Post by mari on Jan 27, 2021 0:43:50 GMT
This summer, my physical therapist and I bonded over our mutual contempt for our now former president. As she kneaded my muscles, the topic of race came up, as it was the peak of the George Floyd protests popping up all over the country. She said, “My brother-in-law, (ironically a cop), used to be very racist, but he changed.” This was intriguing to me, so I asked how that happened, a twinge of hope creeping into my heart that he might have the secret key to help solve our national shame. She said, “My sister decided that they were going to have a Fresh Air Fund kid stay with them.” For those who don’t know, the Fresh Air Fund arranges for kids who live in cities to spend a few weeks in the summer with suburban families who are often, but not always white. The kids are typically Black or Hispanic, and are introduced to typical suburban summer activities like day camps, swimming, and the family vacation etc. Ideally, the Fresh Air kids are paired with suburban children of similar ages. My PT said that his experience of actually getting to know a person of color transformed him. He began to know a real person, not a cardboard emblem of what his parents, the media, and the greater society told him about Black people. Black people became real human beings with real thoughts and feelings just like his. This child became one of his own, and returned to them subsequent summers until he was out of school. I’m probably missing something, but what is the point of the story of you PT’s brother-in-law? Are you saying this “formerly” “very racist” cop was somehow reformed because he interacted with an actual black person? I wonder if you ever gave any thoughts about the massive damage this “very racist” cop likely caused black people before he was ‘reformed’? Is there any information about what he has done to correct the fact that his department allowed a “very racist” cop out on the streets with a badge and a gun? Unrelated story: I had to fire an employee (pre-pandemic, I’m not totally heartless). This employee was hired to do a task (write grants), and they missed 2 major deadlines. They did successfully submit other grants, but they were still fired. Why? Because making a perfunctory effort wasn’t good enough. It seems like some people want accolades for barely acknowledging the humanity of another race, but if they are only doing it for the praise, the unauthentic, slapdash effort isn’t going to win any awards.
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This summer, my physical therapist and I bonded over our mutual contempt for our now former president. As she kneaded my muscles, the topic of race came up, as it was the peak of the George Floyd protests popping up all over the country. She said, “My brother-in-law, (ironically a cop), used to be very racist, but he changed.” This was intriguing to me, so I asked how that happened, a twinge of hope creeping into my heart that he might have the secret key to help solve our national shame. She said, “My sister decided that they were going to have a Fresh Air Fund kid stay with them.” For those who don’t know, the Fresh Air Fund arranges for kids who live in cities to spend a few weeks in the summer with suburban families who are often, but not always white. The kids are typically Black or Hispanic, and are introduced to typical suburban summer activities like day camps, swimming, and the family vacation etc. Ideally, the Fresh Air kids are paired with suburban children of similar ages. My PT said that his experience of actually getting to know a person of color transformed him. He began to know a real person, not a cardboard emblem of what his parents, the media, and the greater society told him about Black people. Black people became real human beings with real thoughts and feelings just like his. This child became one of his own, and returned to them subsequent summers until he was out of school. I’m probably missing something, but what is the point of the story of you PT’s brother-in-law? Are you saying this “formerly” “very racist” cop was somehow reformed because he interacted with an actual black person? I wonder if you ever gave any thoughts about the massive damage this “very racist” cop likely caused black people before he was ‘reformed’? Is there any information about what he has done to correct the fact that his department allowed a “very racist” cop out on the streets with a badge and a gun? Unrelated story: I had to fire an employee (pre-pandemic, I’m not totally heartless). This employee was hired to do a task (write grants), and they missed 2 major deadlines. They did successfully submit other grants, but they were still fired. Why? Because making a perfunctory effort wasn’t good enough. It seems like some people want accolades for barely acknowledging the humanity of another race, but if they are only doing it for the praise, the unauthentic, slapdash effort isn’t going to win any awards. I’m an actual black person too. Just to throw that out there. I appreciate the candor. I would stew about the motives and now I can just chalk it up to ummm...predictable behavior. FTR I disagree with the “if you don’t like things, why stay” it slaps of 45 supporters telling everyone to like it or leave. If I leave who will continue posting “Black issues” Olan I appreciate the info you post and the links. I have found them valuable. But that you feel you are the annointed savior of the Karens of 2 Peas is a bit much. I am eminently capable of edumacating myself by my own little self.
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Post by pilcas on Jan 27, 2021 1:04:03 GMT
You have been so thoughtful and introspective in this post, and I honor you for that. I responded to a lot you expressed, and I appreciate you articulating it so clearly. Olan’s posts are often triggers for me for a variety of reasons. I won’t go into that here but wanted you to know you have been seen and heard. If I trigger you, you have work to do. Period. Sit with those feelings before you engage in a personal attack or want to be snarky. I do this work all the time. How wonderful it must feel to be seen and heard You can be pretty snarky too, Olan. Your way or the highway. While I agree with you in quite a few things you are imperfect just like the rest of us. Your disdain of others is very pronounced and it doesn’t do your cause any good.
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 1:06:16 GMT
And the Fresh Farms kid who changed this LEO perception of Black people? Why did he have to do that work? How would he describe that experience? Why can’t White people be anti-racist before a Blind Side moment? As a Black kid who grew up in a predominantly white neighborhood...when I’ve had someone declare me a “good one” over dinner it felt like shit. Absolute shit. I remember coming home and realizing my dad cooked my favorite meal. I had missed it just to get insulted and eat something way less palatable. Explains why I love barking “NOT HIGH ENOUGH BITCHES”. The blind rage I feel 🥱
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 1:08:35 GMT
If I trigger you, you have work to do. Period. Sit with those feelings before you engage in a personal attack or want to be snarky. I do this work all the time. How wonderful it must feel to be seen and heard You can be pretty snarky too, Olan. Your way or the highway. While I agree with you in quite a few things you are imperfect just like the rest of us. Your disdain of others is very pronounced and it doesn’t do your cause any good. Absolutely I can be. Though I treat peas way better than I’ve been treated. Check the thread history okay! And I stand by every snarky comment I’ve said. Firmly. No one will quote me but if they did I’d double down. A Hint...you’d be pissed too.
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Post by peano on Jan 27, 2021 1:10:04 GMT
This summer, my physical therapist and I bonded over our mutual contempt for our now former president. As she kneaded my muscles, the topic of race came up, as it was the peak of the George Floyd protests popping up all over the country. She said, “My brother-in-law, (ironically a cop), used to be very racist, but he changed.” This was intriguing to me, so I asked how that happened, a twinge of hope creeping into my heart that he might have the secret key to help solve our national shame. She said, “My sister decided that they were going to have a Fresh Air Fund kid stay with them.” For those who don’t know, the Fresh Air Fund arranges for kids who live in cities to spend a few weeks in the summer with suburban families who are often, but not always white. The kids are typically Black or Hispanic, and are introduced to typical suburban summer activities like day camps, swimming, and the family vacation etc. Ideally, the Fresh Air kids are paired with suburban children of similar ages. My PT said that his experience of actually getting to know a person of color transformed him. He began to know a real person, not a cardboard emblem of what his parents, the media, and the greater society told him about Black people. Black people became real human beings with real thoughts and feelings just like his. This child became one of his own, and returned to them subsequent summers until he was out of school. I’m probably missing something, but what is the point of the story of you PT’s brother-in-law? Are you saying this “formerly” “very racist” cop was somehow reformed because he interacted with an actual black person? I wonder if you ever gave any thoughts about the massive damage this “very racist” cop likely caused black people before he was ‘reformed’? Is there any information about what he has done to correct the fact that his department allowed a “very racist” cop out on the streets with a badge and a gun? Unrelated story: I had to fire an employee (pre-pandemic, I’m not totally heartless). This employee was hired to do a task (write grants), and they missed 2 major deadlines. They did successfully submit other grants, but they were still fired. Why? Because making a perfunctory effort wasn’t good enough. It seems like some people want accolades for barely acknowledging the humanity of another race, but if they are only doing it for the praise, the unauthentic, slapdash effort isn’t going to win any awards. My point in the first paragraph of your post is that yes, he was transformed over the years of hosting the Fresh Air Fund child in his home. My point was that when we view one another with a one-dimensional view of what we think characterizes the sum of their humanity, we both are the losers for it. And if you didn't get from my epic post that I somehow never "...gave any thoughts about the massive damage this “very racist” cop likely caused black people before he was ‘reformed’? Is there any information about what he has done to correct the fact that his department allowed a “very racist” cop out on the streets with a badge and a gun?", then I have failed in my effort to communicate, or you haven't read my post. I'm willing to entertain either possibility. If you deny the the possibility of revolutionary change in one man, then you deny the transcendent miracle that can happen when one day, we all walk this earth as equals. So why bother trying, is what you are trying to say?
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 1:14:48 GMT
Please stop calling it my cause as if my ask is that you click a link and support an animal shelter or something!
Who just tried to upend the election process and stormed the Capitol? You’ve gotta be paying attention. No? When you say it’s my way or the highway...how do you perceive my way? Just so there is clarity about what you think is being asked of you!
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 27, 2021 1:27:48 GMT
I am saying this in kindness, as a fellow white woman, but I don’t think we get to tell black women to be patient with us. We can talk to other white women about our development and struggles, but I don’t think black women need to be bothered about it, or that they need to make sure we’re comfortable.
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Post by prapea on Jan 27, 2021 1:37:56 GMT
Calling a black pea out in a post with only her name in the title so a white woman can get the “wow, you are so awesome white woman”
Random example of some random racist cop who had a black kid in his house for few years and now he is best thing ever and not a racist.
Telling a black woman over and over and over that she should just shutup and put up with whatever we throw at her because we decided that “we changed”.
Shit never will change in this country and this thread is the example for it.
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Post by peano on Jan 27, 2021 1:42:42 GMT
I am saying this in kindness, as a fellow white woman, but I don’t think we get to tell black women to be patient with us. We can talk to other white women about our development and struggles, but I don’t think black women need to be bothered about it, or that they need to make sure we’re comfortable. If this is addressed to me, that is not what I was saying at all. The only expectation I started with was that my apology would be rejected and that my post might infuriate her more. What I meant to say to Olan is that I didn't like the pattern of our interaction on this board. That I wasn't playing that interaction any more because it was a futile exercise. And to attempt to make a human connection. She isn't ready to do that, so I have to accept that and go on. This has everything to do with where I am in my own personal development that nobody but me gets to decide how and when and why I do it. I'm eminently comfortable with this statement. It's just a fact and a bystander's skin color has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 1:44:22 GMT
I am saying this in kindness, as a fellow white woman, but I don’t think we get to tell black women to be patient with us. We can talk to other white women about our development and struggles, but I don’t think black women need to be bothered about it, or that they need to make sure we’re comfortable. I appreciate you saying this. I want to honor my ancestors by being as hopeful as they must have been but it’s pretty grim looking right now. The number of Black people killed by police between 2016-2020 was just insane. The number of openly racist people holding very high positions in our government. The maternal health issue. The babies dying. The school to prison pipleline. The wealth/wage gap. It’s a lot. And that’s like 0.5% of the problem. I know you’ve heard someone say it but really place yourself in the shoes of Black people. How polite would you be? How patiently would you wait? Do you see how quickly someone chimed in to tell peano she has been seen and heard? Don’t you think Black people deserve the same? You do recognize the many ways we’ve tried to be seen and heard right? It is what it is? That’s 48 hours of reflection?
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Post by pinklady on Jan 27, 2021 1:44:27 GMT
I'm guessing the OP meant well by her post but wow, just wow! I tried to get thru the entire thing then I got to this gem Holy crap. And all the praise for the post, what the actual fuck! I guess I shouldn't be surprised but honestly for the first time in a long time this post and most of the pea reactions has left me speechless.
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Post by peano on Jan 27, 2021 1:46:35 GMT
Calling a black pea out in a post with only her name in the title so a white woman can get the “wow, you are so awesome white woman” Random example of some random racist cop who had a black kid in his house for few years and now he is best thing ever and not a racist. Telling a black woman over and over and over that she should just shutup and put up with whatever we throw at her because we decided that “we changed”. Shit never will change in this country and this thread is the example for it. In my defense, the original deal started with confusion that I started from posting on the wrong thread, that got caught in the crossfire of somebody else getting dragged in inadvertently, so I thought it best to cut my losses and start a whole new thread. Possibly it was a miscalculation, possibly not. Mea culpa. If Eddie S. Glaude Jr. can be cautiously optimistic, I guess I can too.
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Post by peano on Jan 27, 2021 1:53:18 GMT
I'm guessing the OP meant well by her post but wow, just wow! I tried to get thru the entire thing then I got to this gem Holy crap. And all the praise for the post, what the actual fuck! I guess I shouldn't be surprised but honestly for the first time in a long time this post and most of the pea reactions has left me speechless. I don't know why you are speechless at reading a statement that is true. If you know of some supersonic way for me to get up to speed on the level of my growth and enlightenment, I wish you'd share. I am all ears.
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 1:53:32 GMT
I am saying this in kindness, as a fellow white woman, but I don’t think we get to tell black women to be patient with us. We can talk to other white women about our development and struggles, but I don’t think black women need to be bothered about it, or that they need to make sure we’re comfortable. If this is addressed to me, that is not what I was saying at all. The only expectation I started with was that my apology would be rejected and that my post might infuriate her more. What I meant to say to Olan is that I didn't like the pattern of our interaction on this board. That I wasn't playing that interaction any more because it was a futile exercise. And to attempt to make a human connection. She isn't ready to do that, so I have to accept that and go on. This has everything to do with where I am in my own personal development that nobody but me gets to decide how and when and why I do it. I'm eminently comfortable with this statement. It's just a fact and a bystander's skin color has nothing to do with it. I appreciate the candor. I would stew about the motives and now I can just chalk it up to ummm...predictable behavior. FTR I disagree with the “if you don’t like things, why stay” it slaps of 45 supporters telling everyone to like it or leave. If I leave who will continue posting “Black issues” Olan I appreciate the info you post and the links. I have found them valuable. But that you feel you are the annointed savior of the Karens of 2 Peas is a bit much. I am eminently capable of edumacating myself by my own little self. You are ready to make a human connection and I’m rejecting the effort? Is that the lie you are trying to pass as truth now? You made a comment you should have kept to yourself and now I’m the bad guy. Playing what futile exercise? You could just avoid me you know. Instead you are in the Pass the Buck thread and in the 2020 version of it too. Still talking reckless. Unprompted. Your Karen savior comment. Was I addressing you? Was there some dialogue between us that I’m missing? Come on.
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 1:54:31 GMT
Calling a black pea out in a post with only her name in the title so a white woman can get the “wow, you are so awesome white woman” Random example of some random racist cop who had a black kid in his house for few years and now he is best thing ever and not a racist. Telling a black woman over and over and over that she should just shutup and put up with whatever we throw at her because we decided that “we changed”. Shit never will change in this country and this thread is the example for it. In my defense, the original deal started with confusion that I started from posting on the wrong thread, that got caught in the crossfire of somebody else getting dragged in inadvertently, so I thought it best to cut my losses and start a whole new thread. Possibly it was a miscalculation, possibly not. Mea culpa. If Eddie S. Glaude Jr. can be cautiously optimistic, I guess I can too. You wanted to avoid the other thread because your smug was so strong. You couldn’t even title this.
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Post by catmom on Jan 27, 2021 1:59:49 GMT
If I trigger you, you have work to do. Period. Sit with those feelings before you engage in a personal attack or want to be snarky. I do this work all the time. How wonderful it must feel to be seen and heard You can be pretty snarky too, Olan. Your way or the highway. While I agree with you in quite a few things you are imperfect just like the rest of us. Your disdain of others is very pronounced and it doesn’t do your cause any good. Genuine question - is it her job to act in a certain way in order to further the cause of stopping violence against black people?
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 2:01:42 GMT
I'm guessing the OP meant well by her post but wow, just wow! I tried to get thru the entire thing then I got to this gem Holy crap. And all the praise for the post, what the actual fuck! I guess I shouldn't be surprised but honestly for the first time in a long time this post and most of the pea reactions has left me speechless. It is very high school of me but the immediate support this thread got kinda hurt. Almost 25 peas agree with what she shared. I may put on a brave front but it does sting how little allyship can be found here. What passes without someone calling it out. I am a long time pea. For years I supported various causes of the peas. The second I post mine I’m a mentally ill angry Black woman.
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Post by Olan on Jan 27, 2021 2:16:50 GMT
I am saying this in kindness, as a fellow white woman, but I don’t think we get to tell black women to be patient with us. We can talk to other white women about our development and struggles, but I don’t think black women need to be bothered about it, or that they need to make sure we’re comfortable. If this is addressed to me, that is not what I was saying at all. The only expectation I started with was that my apology would be rejected and that my post might infuriate her more. What I meant to say to Olan is that I didn't like the pattern of our interaction on this board. That I wasn't playing that interaction any more because it was a futile exercise. And to attempt to make a human connection. She isn't ready to do that, so I have to accept that and go on. This has everything to do with where I am in my own personal development that nobody but me gets to decide how and when and why I do it. I'm eminently comfortable with this statement. It's just a fact and a bystander's skin color has nothing to do with it. Infuriate me more? See what you are doing here? Look at the emotion you ascribe to me. Why? In the same way you tried to separate white women from the horrors of enslaving other human beings look how you are trying to separate yourself from your actions.
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Post by flanz on Jan 27, 2021 2:26:32 GMT
I'm guessing the OP meant well by her post but wow, just wow! I tried to get thru the entire thing then I got to this gem Holy crap. And all the praise for the post, what the actual fuck! I guess I shouldn't be surprised but honestly for the first time in a long time this post and most of the pea reactions has left me speechless. It is very high school of me but the immediate support this thread got kinda hurt. Almost 25 peas agree with what she shared. I may put on a brave front but it does sting how little allyship can be found here. What passes without someone calling it out. I am a long time pea. For years I supported various causes of the peas. The second I post mine I’m a mentally ill angry Black woman. Olan, I truly, deeply appreciate you and the sharing you do here on the board. You give me opportunities to learn and new things to think about. I have been trying to educate myself on issues of racial justice for a few years now and I know I will be doing so for the rest of my cognitively healthy days, but I will never know all I need to know, I will never be a perfect anti-racist. But I'm going to try my best. I believe you come with good intentions. I don't know your backstory with one another but it seems to me that @peano is genuinely trying to learn and to grow and to engage here with you and us in a sincere way. Also with good intentions. Nothing will ever change if we can't talk to one another. "It is what it is" was followed by, "Wishing we are more enlightened than we are is an admirable goal, but we are where we are and getting there may be a life's work, and is definitely not subject to someone else's ideas of what is acceptable." I recognize that as white people we have the privilege that affords us the ability to do this work at our own pace, the ability to "put it on a shelf" because it is not life-threatening to us. I also wish that we would all be on the same page, right now, perfectly informed and knowledgable about ways in which to do the hard work of fighting for true equity for each of us. I WANT that to be the case! Of course it's wishful thinking... I genuinely care about all people who are not harming others and I hate that my white skin affords me a great many privileges I didn't want or ask for. Just a fair shake. I'm not descended from slave owners, but from Europeans who were terrorized by Nazis, with a dad in 3 concentration camps and 2.5 years as a POW. But I readily admit that by not living in a Black or brown body, so much of my life has been unfairly advantaged. Again, I want to be one of the forces of change. It takes all of us doing that work. As a PP said, I agree that white people need to talk to other white people about our anti-racist journeys and to encourage each other to growth. It is definitely not the job of Black people to expend precious energy trying to educate us. That said, when you share, I listen and try to learn. Love to all, truly.
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Post by luckyjune on Jan 27, 2021 2:27:51 GMT
I'm guessing the OP meant well by her post but wow, just wow! I tried to get thru the entire thing then I got to this gem Holy crap. And all the praise for the post, what the actual fuck! I guess I shouldn't be surprised but honestly for the first time in a long time this post and most of the pea reactions has left me speechless. It is very high school of me but the immediate support this thread got kinda hurt. Almost 25 peas agree with what she shared. I may put on a brave front but it does sting how little allyship can be found here. What passes without someone calling it out. I am a long time pea. For years I supported various causes of the peas. The second I post mine I’m a mentally ill angry Black woman. I don't think it was high school of you...at all. Just like it's not high school of you to have to shout twice as loud to be half as heard. And then to have what is heard dismissed? That should break the heart of every pea on this board.
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Post by prapea on Jan 27, 2021 2:54:38 GMT
It is very high school of me but the immediate support this thread got kinda hurt. Almost 25 peas agree with what she shared. I may put on a brave front but it does sting how little allyship can be found here. What passes without someone calling it out. I am a long time pea. For years I supported various causes of the peas. The second I post mine I’m a mentally ill angry Black woman. I don't think it was high school of you...at all. Just like it's not high school of you to have to shout twice as loud to be half as heard. And then to have what is heard dismissed? That should break the heart of every pea on this board. Thank you. This needs to be repeated over and over. It breaks my heart for sure.
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