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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 1, 2021 21:39:17 GMT
The only thing Blue America has to do with the situation is the superiority complex constantly being thrown over the fence towards those who don't agree with them. The judgements. The Bias'. The contempt and condemnation. Then trying to force Blue policies down everyone's throat. As for this vaccine - we all have to face the fact the messaging from those in science haven't done a very good job of getting their point across to those that are non-science people. The start of the communication failure falls in Trump's lap. Biden hasn't done much better and today there are still too many sources of information coming too fast to keep a straight story intact that public can grab on and sink their teeth into on what is and isn't true or even explain the concept that science changes, advice will be changing as this virus goes along, and that guidance will constantly be ebbing and flowing based on variables X, Y and Z. There are those who are educated who understand what is happening better than others but government has to speak to ALL populations and meet them on their level - not yours, mine or anyone else's - and the PR sucks no matter which way you look at it. As for the tone in the country regarding vaccines? We all have skin in the game for the negativity. The name calling. The insults. The accusations. The eye rolling. The judgements. Everything. If we all looked ourselves in the mirror and asked if we are proud of how we have conducted ourselves to our fellow humans in this situation - and we were honest - we cannot say we have behaved the best we can. We tell and teach our children to be better without living up to the same words we dictate to our younger charges and that is what shameful. We have forgotten to live by example and this board is its comments (not necessarily this thread but many others) are proof. You aren't going to change or convince another person to believe another line of thinking until you get your own house in order. If you keep putting ugly out there you will keep getting ugly back. To change the outside we have to start change within ourselves. So take all the articles you want, all the tweets, posts, interviews, etc. and instead of blaming others for what they are not doing that goes along with what you think the world should be look at your own self and adjust your own attitudes and bias. That is how we will start to turn this thing around. I do absolutely judge people who are prolonging this pandemic by refusing to consider getting vaccinated. They have access to the same information that the rest of us do, but they are ignoring it. If this recent outbreak didn’t convince them, then nothing will. It is not my responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. And their childish refusal to wear masks and getting angry at those who do mask is selfish and ridiculous. I am angry because their stubbornness is making this much worse than it needed to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 21:48:23 GMT
The only thing Blue America has to do with the situation is the superiority complex constantly being thrown over the fence towards those who don't agree with them. The judgements. The Bias'. The contempt and condemnation. Then trying to force Blue policies down everyone's throat. As for this vaccine - we all have to face the fact the messaging from those in science haven't done a very good job of getting their point across to those that are non-science people. The start of the communication failure falls in Trump's lap. Biden hasn't done much better and today there are still too many sources of information coming too fast to keep a straight story intact that public can grab on and sink their teeth into on what is and isn't true or even explain the concept that science changes, advice will be changing as this virus goes along, and that guidance will constantly be ebbing and flowing based on variables X, Y and Z. There are those who are educated who understand what is happening better than others but government has to speak to ALL populations and meet them on their level - not yours, mine or anyone else's - and the PR sucks no matter which way you look at it. As for the tone in the country regarding vaccines? We all have skin in the game for the negativity. The name calling. The insults. The accusations. The eye rolling. The judgements. Everything. If we all looked ourselves in the mirror and asked if we are proud of how we have conducted ourselves to our fellow humans in this situation - and we were honest - we cannot say we have behaved the best we can. We tell and teach our children to be better without living up to the same words we dictate to our younger charges and that is what shameful. We have forgotten to live by example and this board is its comments (not necessarily this thread but many others) are proof. You aren't going to change or convince another person to believe another line of thinking until you get your own house in order. If you keep putting ugly out there you will keep getting ugly back. To change the outside we have to start change within ourselves. So take all the articles you want, all the tweets, posts, interviews, etc. and instead of blaming others for what they are not doing that goes along with what you think the world should be look at your own self and adjust your own attitudes and bias. That is how we will start to turn this thing around. I do absolutely judge people who are prolonging this pandemic by refusing to consider getting vaccinated. They have access to the same information that the rest of us do, but they are ignoring it. If this recent outbreak didn’t convince them, then nothing will. It is not my responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. And their childish refusal to wear masks and getting angry at those who do mask is selfish and ridiculous. I am angry because their stubbornness is making this much worse than it needed to be. And that is why you will always be part of the problem. Your right - it is not your responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. Let them live with their choices. As for making the situation worse the most recent mask guidance from the CDC indicates it doesn't matter - vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals carry higher virus loads of the Delta variant regardless of whether you've taken the shot or not. As for them getting made at those who mask - it goes both ways. Basically, everyone needs to start minding their own business and let others do what they want with their own health choices and stop calling others out because you (you and general you) don't agree with them. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2021 21:55:19 GMT
I do absolutely judge people who are prolonging this pandemic by refusing to consider getting vaccinated. They have access to the same information that the rest of us do, but they are ignoring it. If this recent outbreak didn’t convince them, then nothing will. It is not my responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. And their childish refusal to wear masks and getting angry at those who do mask is selfish and ridiculous. I am angry because their stubbornness is making this much worse than it needed to be. And that is why you will always be part of the problem. Your right - it is not your responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. Let them live with their choices. As for making the situation worse the most recent mask guidance from the CDC indicates it doesn't matter - vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals carry higher virus loads of the Delta variant regardless of whether you've taken the shot or not. As for them getting made at those who mask - it goes both ways. Basically, everyone needs to start minding their own business and let others do what they want with their own health choices and stop calling others out because you (you and general you) don't agree with them. World of difference between blue America getting mad at people who refuse to mask or vaccinate … they ARE endangering others with this behavior … and red America getting mad at people who do vaccinate and wear masks … we aren’t hurting anyone. They are just lashing out at anyone who actually cares about not spreading the virus any further. It’s hard to believe anything other than they enjoy watching others suffer. |
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Post by Just T on Aug 1, 2021 21:56:22 GMT
Your right - it is not your responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. Let them live with their choices. The problem with letting them live with their choices is that in this particular situation, THEIR choice to not get vaccinated, especially those who can but refuse to, impacts other people. It impacts those who can't get vaccinated, either for health reasons or because they are too young. It impacts how long this virus is going to cause problems. It impacts the healthcare system when they become seriously ill. It's not just a matter of them living with their choices. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 1, 2021 21:56:45 GMT
I do absolutely judge people who are prolonging this pandemic by refusing to consider getting vaccinated. They have access to the same information that the rest of us do, but they are ignoring it. If this recent outbreak didn’t convince them, then nothing will. It is not my responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. And their childish refusal to wear masks and getting angry at those who do mask is selfish and ridiculous. I am angry because their stubbornness is making this much worse than it needed to be. And that is why you will always be part of the problem. Your right - it is not your responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. Let them live with their choices. As for making the situation worse the most recent mask guidance from the CDC indicates it doesn't matter - vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals carry higher virus loads of the Delta variant regardless of whether you've taken the shot or not. As for them getting made at those who mask - it goes both ways. Basically, everyone needs to start minding their own business and let others do what they want with their own health choices and stop calling others out because you (you and general you) don't agree with them. Oh, I mind my own business. But my opinions, like theirs, are my own. Think what you like; as for masks, the CDC does indeed recommend them. They made the point that masks are a temporary measure and that we need to get more people vaccinated. But they are recommending them for now. www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/27/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine |
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Post by peasapie on Aug 1, 2021 21:59:35 GMT
Well we know of a Covid denier who just died (Florida) of Covid at 58.
I honestly believe this period of time will go down in history as one of the biggest epidemics of mass cult hysteria/death. And I blame Donald Trump for 80%. The other 20% is just human stupidity.
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 1, 2021 22:00:02 GMT
So sad. I know someone who got vaccinated but didn't tell his significant other, who is very much against it. That's me. I got vaccinated without telling my husband because I didn't want to fight with him. A couple weeks ago I had to go to urgent care because of a bad case of food poisoning and when they were taking me back the only thing my husband said was “dont let them give you that F-ing shot”. I started laughing and said “I got the F-ing shot months ago”. The nurse smiled at me so big. Surprisingly he hasn't even mentioned it sense. I think I love you. 💕 |
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Post by dewryce on Aug 1, 2021 22:05:27 GMT
Your right - it is not your responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. Let them live with their choices. The problem with letting them live with their choices is that in this particular situation, THEIR choice to not get vaccinated, especially those who can but refuse to, impacts other people. It impacts those who can't get vaccinated, either for health reasons or because they are too young. It impacts how long this virus is going to cause problems. It impacts the healthcare system when they become seriously ill. It's not just a matter of them living with their choices. And they mostly refuse to acknowledge this. I mean, I get it, what can they say that doesn’t make them look bad? (You know, show the reality of their choices?) @loouloou2 I do agree with you about the messaging being confusing and not well done at times. I’m fine with what’s coming out of the Biden administration, happy with it actually. But from the CDC, the science people? I do have a bone to pick with them. However, as it’s been stated, the information is out there and not even hard to find. The problem is, a large group of people are refusing to believe science so they’re not even looking. And it’s killing them and those they expose. So to the rest of you post, I say malarkey. This is not a “live and let live” situation. People are dying because of this group’s ignorance, for their willfully putting others lives at risk. So no, they won’t get my respect, they don’t deserve it. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 1, 2021 22:17:37 GMT
I do absolutely judge people who are prolonging this pandemic by refusing to consider getting vaccinated. They have access to the same information that the rest of us do, but they are ignoring it. If this recent outbreak didn’t convince them, then nothing will. It is not my responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. And their childish refusal to wear masks and getting angry at those who do mask is selfish and ridiculous. I am angry because their stubbornness is making this much worse than it needed to be. And that is why you will always be part of the problem. Your right - it is not your responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. Let them live with their choices. As for making the situation worse the most recent mask guidance from the CDC indicates it doesn't matter - vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals carry higher virus loads of the Delta variant regardless of whether you've taken the shot or not. As for them getting made at those who mask - it goes both ways. Basically, everyone needs to start minding their own business and let others do what they want with their own health choices and stop calling others out because you (you and general you) don't agree with them. It does matter for two reasons - one, if you’re vaccinated, you’re much, much less likely to be taking up a hospital bed that could be needed for someone who couldn’t be vaccinated or whose health status makes the vaccine less effective. Two, if you end up in a hospital bed when you could have prevented it by getting a simple, free shot, then you’re purposefully contributing to the burnout of healthcare workers who are quitting in record numbers. As mollycoddle pointed out, the unvaccinated have had access to exactly the same information as the rest of us. It seems to me that they’ve simply chosen to listening to the whining of people like you who complain about how confusing it all is, rather than actually taking a look at reputable sources and doing what is advised. Given that the vast majority of them seem to have had no trouble deciding to get other vaccinations like tetanus and MMR, despite misinformation swirling around about autism links a while back, the argument that they were just too confused and no average person could have figured it all out feels pretty flimsy. |
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Post by peasapie on Aug 1, 2021 22:19:18 GMT
Your right - it is not your responsibility to convince grown adults to get vaccinated to ward off a virus. Let them live with their choices. The problem with letting them live with their choices is that in this particular situation, THEIR choice to not get vaccinated, especially those who can but refuse to, impacts other people. It impacts those who can't get vaccinated, either for health reasons or because they are too young. It impacts how long this virus is going to cause problems. It impacts the healthcare system when they become seriously ill. It's not just a matter of them living with their choices. Absolutely. Just had this discussion with someone who asked me to respect "her choices" and she would respect mine. "NO. Because your choices are killing people." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 22:21:26 GMT
I gave my cousin facts. Actual facts with video evidence and she told me that she still thought that people should be able to come up with their own conclusions. On something she could SEE with her own eyes and Hear with her own ears, she still wanted to be able to dismiss it because...well it wasn't what she wanted to be true. When you've been told your whole life by people you trust (parents, preachers, pastors, pundits) that your BELIEFS and/or OPINIONS are just as valid as other people's DATA/EVIDENCE/FACTS, this is the outcome. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 22:38:03 GMT
I think if TFG had not gone so far in pushing it as a hoax we might have seen more sense...
...means admitting that maybe TFG - was lying to them. "Politifact: THE FACTS: The accusation and the selective video editing are misleading. But it is incorrect for Biden to suggest, as the video does, that Trump insisted the virus was a hoax We called her (Kamala) statement false, pointing to our rating of a similar statement from Joe Biden in March. Trump is saying Democratic criticism of him is a hoax, not that the coronavirus doesn’t exist or wasn’t real. We’ve been unable to find other comments of Trump suggesting that. When asked about his comments the next day, Trump specifically said he was talking about Democrats’ reaction: "Hoax, referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we’ve done such a good job," Trump said. Other fact-checkers have agreed with our reading of Trump’s comments. Here’s what they have to say. Factcheck.org: "Trump did use the word ‘hoax’ but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself." The Washington Post Fact Checker: "The context of the full quote shows Trump criticized Democratic talking points and media’s coverage of his response to the coronavirus, but does not call the virus itself a hoax." Snopes: "Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus a hoax." AP Fact Check: "The accusation is misleading. So is the selective video editing that made it appear Trump was calling the coronavirus a ‘new hoax.’" link link So you want to be able to repeat the lies that Kamala and Joe told you without being challenged. If challenged, you move the goal posts. You want to be able to say Trump lies, but dismiss it when Kamala and Joe lie to you by twisting logic and changing the parameters of the original claim. Got it. but everything he did say, and his own actions, absolutely downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic From Politifact: "He continued: “Certainly not referring to this. How could anybody refer to this? This is very serious stuff.” Trump privately calling the virus a “killer” comes from new book “Rage” contains Trump’s acknowledgment that he was playing down the virus threat in public, so as to avoid panic. Trump on several occasions before that did refer publicly to the virus as a “plague” and a “killer” " oh for shit's sake. It doesn't matter if he didn't use the word hoax. Of course it matters. The more lies you accept and tell, the farther it gets from the truth. You also can't insist the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2021 22:55:31 GMT
pixiechick : I think we’ve all acknowledged more than once that he didn’t say the exact words “the virus is a hoax.” However, we’ve stated over and over again (correctly) that he played down the virus whenever he could. Sure, sometimes he said it was bad. Mostly he said it was under control, going away, or that the Democrats were making more of it than they needed to in order to make him look bad. He knows how to play you people his followers so they will claim it’s a hoax without his outright saying the words. That’s what they believe, so you can post all the fact checks you like, but he certainly implied and convinced his followers that it’s all a big joke. Fact checkers can’t disprove THAT one. P.S. and about the “didn’t want to cause a panic” quotation … have you not figured out yet that he didn’t want to cause a panic because it would hurt … wait for it … the stock market?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 22:58:20 GMT
OK pixiechick. Instead of focusing on the word "hoax", how about you respond to the many well-sourced posts with EVIDENCE that TFG DOWNPLAYED Covid for MONTHS?. Anything to say there? Or are you going to keep harping on Biden and Harris (who YOU brought up, nice strawman, btw) Well, there goes that narrative. Trump never said Covid was a Hoax. Both Kamala and Joe were lying to YOU about that. |
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Post by Just T on Aug 1, 2021 23:02:10 GMT
he certainly implied and convinced his followers that it’s all a big joke. So many people I know who are Trump followers STILL think it is a joke, not that serious, embellished by the libs, etc. Where did they get those ideas from if not from Trump spending months downplaying it? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 23:06:44 GMT
And now these recent outbreaks are…somebody else’s fault. Anyone want to guess who? Of course, this claim is from Fox’s noted bigmouth and box wine connoisseur, but still. They are acting like indignant toddlers who have been served broccoli for dinner. No, she's acting like she doesn't trust the Biden administration who is claiming they want you to mask up for the health of the country, while releasing infected immigrants into the country. She's not buying the discrepancy between Biden's words and his actions. You had to leave out the context of her message in order make your ridiculous claim. I thought context matters? Only when it suits your narrative, I guess. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 1, 2021 23:14:38 GMT
And now these recent outbreaks are…somebody else’s fault. Anyone want to guess who? Of course, this claim is from Fox’s noted bigmouth and box wine connoisseur, but still. They are acting like indignant toddlers who have been served broccoli for dinner. No, she's acting like she doesn't trust the Biden administration who is claiming they want you to mask up for the health of the country, while releasing infected immigrants into the country. She's not buying the discrepancy between Biden's words and his actions. You had to leave out the context of her message in order make your ridiculous claim. I thought context matters? Only when it suits your narrative, I guess. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Was this a favorite episode? |
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Post by Merge on Aug 1, 2021 23:16:13 GMT
No, she's acting like she doesn't trust the Biden administration who is claiming they want you to mask up for the health of the country, while releasing infected immigrants into the country. She's not buying the discrepancy between Biden's words and his actions. You had to leave out the context of her message in order make your ridiculous claim. I thought context matters? Only when it suits your narrative, I guess. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Was this a favorite episode? I wonder what Jeanine thinks of Hannity’s about-face. Or Kay Ivey’s statement that the unvaxxed are the problem in her state. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 23:22:11 GMT
All the COVID fear is just BULL CRAP!! AMEN?
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 1, 2021 23:24:36 GMT
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Was this a favorite episode? I wonder what Jeanine thinks of Hannity’s about-face. Or Kay Ivey’s statement that the unvaxxed are the problem in her state. She would probably tell us if we bought her enough box wine.  |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 1, 2021 23:25:58 GMT
All the COVID fear is just BULL CRAP!! AMEN? Just another calm, peaceful Sunday sermon. Yikes; the guy is batshit! |
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Post by Just T on Aug 1, 2021 23:28:51 GMT
All the COVID fear is just BULL CRAP!! AMEN? Just another calm, peaceful Sunday sermon. Yikes; the guy is batshit! But yeah, people like pixiechick can keep right on blaming Biden and Harris for the way they undermined the vaccine and keep right on saying that Trump has nothing to do with why people don't get it. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2021 23:30:17 GMT
OK pixiechick . Instead of focusing on the word "hoax", how about you respond to the many well-sourced posts with EVIDENCE that TFG DOWNPLAYED Covid for MONTHS?. Anything to say there? Or are you going to keep harping on Biden and Harris (who YOU brought up, nice strawman, btw) Well, there goes that narrative. Trump never said Covid was a Hoax. Both Kamala and Joe were lying to YOU about that. oh, that reminds me, I meant to add … HOW IN THE F#@%& do you justify harping on Democratic “lies” (let’s just call them stretches cuz that’s what they were) while you will go to your death defending the former guy and his tens of thousands of documented LIES? pixiechick |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 23:30:26 GMT
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Was this a favorite episode? I left only the facts from the NY Times. Care to comment on the facts? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 1, 2021 23:34:14 GMT
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Was this a favorite episode? I left only the facts from the NY Times. Care to comment on the facts? Oh, I will cheerfully stipulate that the administration should be doing a better job at the border. Now, your turn. Will you admit that millions of Americans failing to get vaccinated have contributed to the prolongation of this pandemic? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 1, 2021 23:34:42 GMT
OK pixiechick . Instead of focusing on the word "hoax", how about you respond to the many well-sourced posts with EVIDENCE that TFG DOWNPLAYED Covid for MONTHS?. Anything to say there? Or are you going to keep harping on Biden and Harris (who YOU brought up, nice strawman, btw) oh, that reminds me, I meant to add … HOW IN THE F#@%& do you justify harping on Democratic “lies” (let’s just call them stretches cuz that’s what they were) while you will go to your death defending the former guy and his tens of thousands of documented LIES? pixiechick Because it's not honest discussion otherwise. I addressed a specific lie. YOUR side can't insist the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 1, 2021 23:40:06 GMT
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Was this a favorite episode? I left only the facts from the NY Times. Care to comment on the facts? What “facts” specifically? This one? (from what you posted article…) “There have been no instances of mass spread at U.S. border facilities, and overall numbers of cases are relatively low, according to the Department of Homeland Security. About 5 percent of all single adults and families tested after their release since March showed a positive result, according to the agency, while among the thousands of unaccompanied minors now in custody, the rate has been about 12 percent.” So common sense would tell you that the Biden administration really isn’t releasing all these “rabidly infected immigrants” into the wild as your type lies and stretches the truth about. If they are not tested upon arrival, then there is no evidence that they brought it with them, right? For all we know, they could have gotten it while held, AFTER they’ve already been here. On the same subject, Ron DeSantis is responsible for 100x more spread of the virus than immigrants who are released. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2021 23:42:10 GMT
oh, that reminds me, I meant to add … HOW IN THE F#@%& do you justify harping on Democratic “lies” (let’s just call them stretches cuz that’s what they were) while you will go to your death defending the former guy and his tens of thousands of documented LIES? pixiechick Because it's not honest discussion otherwise. I addressed a specific lie. YOUR side can't insist the truth doesn't matter because, while also insisting on the truth from the opposing side. That's not honest discussion. The TRUTH is, Trump discouraged his followers from taking the virus seriously, even without saying the words “COVID is a hoax.” And by and large, they believed him. |
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Post by christine58 on Aug 2, 2021 0:22:52 GMT
Having a brain fart. What does TFG stand for?
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Post by Just T on Aug 2, 2021 0:51:40 GMT
Having a brain fart. What does TFG stand for? I think it stands for "The Former Guy" aka Trump |
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