Vaccine refusers don't want blue America's respect

Several folks posted on this thread with the intention of shutting it down with silly childish posts. In one post the person in question was called a troll.  And in another post there was a comment made of wanting the person in question to fade away.

I have a question for these individuals.  Why did you feel the need to come on this thread with the intent of shutting it down because I guess you didn’t like the exchanges instead of just ignoring the exchanges and the thread?

There are threads on this board that I think after reading a couple of posts “what the hell” but rather then “policing “ it with childish posts I back out of the thread and ignore it.  It’s that simple.  

I mean if it was really mean nasty disgusting over the line stuff I might and have made a comment but otherwise it’s whatever floats your boat.

So why the need to police the threads/posts YOU don’t like?  Why not just ignore them?

I would probably normally agree with you but this just seems to be a game quite honestly.

There's no assumption about it. Gia has a history of doing exactly what a troll does -  a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community.

I see she's succeeded, don't you?

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Can’t you see that’s what you’re doing? With good intention, to be sure. But still policing threads.

Amen. 

I definitely know people who have been conned. I also know people who have been vaccinated but would never admit it.
Being vaccinated around here is a sign of being a sheep and socialist and stupid, but like I said I know people who have. I think that is because they cam hide it and it directly effects them.

I want more people vaccinated, but I don't see many giving up on the con that they believed.

I want more people vaccinated, but it will be a hard pill to swallow if DeSantis becomes the savior because he first downplayed and now endorses the vaccine.

Maybe once the FDA fully approves the shot, it will give those who have spouted off and believed the con the out they need to get off their ass.

I agree that refusal to take the vaccine, for the most part, IS a societal - not individual- issue. The right has made a whole number of responses to the pandemic and lessening the spread of the virus political ones. It started with Trump and his followers now have bought in hook, line, and sinker and wouldn’t change their minds even if he were to come out advocate for it.  

Not wearing a mask and not getting the vaccine has become a badge of honor, of one way of sticking it the libs, and now that they have committed to that path, nothing - absolutely nothing - will change their direction save getting deathly ill themselves. And even then, their belated pleas for others to get vaccinated will fall on deaf ears. 

For a whole segment of the population that longs for the “good ‘ol days” it is mind-boggling. None of them would submit to the smallpox vaccine or allow their children to be vaccinated with a shot that left a lifelong scar - we would still have smallpox if it happened today. Sacrificing for the good of society/community is not as important as saying “f you” to what they see as the liberal left - currently, the way to do that is to refuse to wear a mask and/or get vaccinated. It also allows them to work in anti-semitism and racism (just heard the latest conspiracy theory diatribe that the Democrats are bringing up variant-infected immigrants from the border and seeding them throughout the rest of the USA) and feel justified somehow.

And, of course, if for some reason you decide that your life is more important that sticking to the libs, you have to get vaccinated in private. Your political face/cred is more important than helping to save lives. 

There's a reason the old saying is an old saying: He'd cut off his nose to spite his face.

Rather than admit being mislead, people would choose to ignore the vaccine.

Saving face, rather than saving their life.

and yet, by glomming on to the "no, I won't do it, no matter WHAT" thing with no thought behind it whatsoever, they ARE being sheep. Just in a different pasture, but still SHEEP. But they can't see that, either-- "oh, no, I'm being an INDIVIDUAL!" lol. Okay; whatever.

There's A LOT of fixed mindset going on on this board - on both sides.

Oooooooh, both sides! We've never heard that before!! How interesting.


(everything happens on "both sides" - the key is HOW MUCH on EACH SIDE)

I agree. At some point history leads to educated guesses. Otherwise, we could use the ‘do you know for sure’ logic for everything. 

Freddie, I do so appreciate your reasoned responses here. You don't necessarily agree with me, but you're being quite reasonable and rational and I thank you for that. 





I've had several ideas of how to respond, at several different points after I was accused of being a troll and being mentally ill. Ideas ranging from indignant and defensive to asking for input. Eventually I just backed off and let the conversation happen and "listened".  

I'm not "a troll". I'm not "mentally ill". I'm a nice person, I'm not "willfully ignorant" and I don't "live for this stuff". I acknowledge I'm not always right. There are times when I DO get it wrong, but I do have opinions and some knowledge of what's happening currently just like everyone else here. I don't name call, I don't bully, and I don't harass. What I do is state my opinion or occasionally correct misinformation...


What it looks like from my side of the keyboard is that you only want to correct information that benefits Democrats. Information that shows when Democrats got it wrong is met with it doesn't matter because...
...well the list of excuses is long and ever changing, but that's an entire conversation all on it's own.


Most of the time statements from Conservatives that disagree with the majority here are not allowed to stand and we're left with two choices... back up for your statement and get smeared for doing so even when you're respectful, or back down and let one narrative or even misinformation reign. Neither ends up being very productive for honest discussion.
We're too often given a pretty clear message that you're free to say what you want, but you are wrong and when we tell you so, you need to sit down, shut up and accept that "we" have spoken the final word on it or we'll smear you. That tends to lead to either refusing to back down when you know you are right or people just not participating if they don't hold the majority opinion. Clear evidence for both of those. 

I tend to back off for a little while after so much and usually when I come back I always think I'll take the stance that I'm talking to my favorite and beloved Aunt. That I would never, ever speak to her with any negativity. Then with the hostility and overbearing nature of disagreement with Conservatives, that doesn't tend to stick very long. Perhaps now that I've said it "out loud", I'll be able to stick more to that idea.

If you got to know me, you might like me. There are times I've had my mind changed here, having spent so much time here with a group of women all so different and from so many different places, that I've come to realize we are ALL more alike than we are different. I've come to a place where I approach my intake of what I hear from the media with an ear from all the women here. Knowing what you all would say. You should hear me yell at my TV or podcast when I know the people I'm listening to have left something crucial out in order to make their point.
Yes, I do watch Fox, but not exclusively. I've caught Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo doing the same damn thing as I've caught people on Fox doing. (no, I don't watch Hannity)  Neither "side" is doing what's best for the country. Those in the media are dividing the country just as much as any politician does.

I never thought Trump would win. When he did, I didn't participate here at all for a few months. I figured nothing any of us on the Right had to offer was wanted here nor would it help anything. If I was a troll, I suppose I'd have been here gloating and rubbing it in your face. That's not me. At all. 

I've had many people respond very well to the way I say what I say here even though they disagree with me. That gets harder and harder for anyone to WANT to do the more I'm smeared simply because I didn't agree with you and backed up my statement. Sometimes even when I do agree with you some of you keep going with the smears. People tend to start believing that hype even though it doesn't hold water when you really examine it, because who has the time or desire to do that. 

So I hope you all take all of this in the spirit it's intended and we can have honest, productive, conversations. 
One of the things said to me when I responded was "We always appreciate having conservatives stop by with evidence, not anger. I mean that sincerely." 
I'll try to keep that in mind when I respond and do my best to hold my own self accountable in my responses. Because I'm not a troll.